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Is it me or does it seem almost everyone here makes money from teaching others how to make money online?

Either selling products/coaching/products teaching others how to make money online....but does anyone actually do it without selling the dream?

Even the people that claim they are making great money with ebay/amazon/offline, etc...seem to make the most selling how they actually do it. (look at the wso section...If i made $200,000+ on Amazon/ebay/offline..I sure as hell wouldn't be teaching others to copy me)

It looks like one great big pyramid scheme
#excuse
  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Plenty of people here do make money in several fields of study, different niche markets, service based offerings, writing Kindle books, video creations, affiliate marketing, etc...

    But... a large portion do sell MMO related material (some good stuff, a lot of bad IMHO) as there is a demand, after all this is a forum about 'marketing' on the internet, right?

    Many here are or have researched, tested, tweaked their marketing strategies to 'make money online' and then either share their results here for free, in the War Room, or sell their knowledge.

    I think that's perfectly fine.

    What's really disturbing is when a newbie has a signature link to "Learn How to Generate $8,643.22 in Just 72 Hours, Using My Automated Secret Weapon?"

    Meanwhile, they come on the main forum asking; "How do I set up a domain?" or "How do I get my product delivered?"

    All of which are signs you need to recognize, as many are not selling anything... Instead, they are trying to sell the dream, and have no clue what they are doing!

    To each their own... I have never even tried to sell anything from here personally. (Hence, my current signature.)
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Not a pyramid - it's a marketplace. These days, it's a newbie marketplace with people vying to post something to get their sigs seen.

      Many of the questions asked - and the complaints used to start threads - are also for sig exposure. I can say that because, like Art72 above, I'm not selling anything here.

      You've posted complaints about the ads and about the type of questions being asked and about people selling to others. Perhaps your expectations are too high? I'm sure every person here who has a sig link thinks HIS offer is good while others aren't.

      If a lake is full of fish, the banks will be lined with fishermen.
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by jimmcdonald909 View Post

    Is it me or does it seem almost everyone here makes money from teaching others how to make money online?

    Either selling products/coaching/products teaching others how to make money online....but does anyone actually do it without selling the dream?

    Even the people that claim they are making great money with ebay/amazon/offline, etc...seem to make the most selling how they actually do it. (look at the wso section...If i made $200,000+ on Amazon/ebay/offline..I sure as hell wouldn't be teaching others to copy me)

    It looks like one great big pyramid scheme
    It's you !!
    A lot of people here do both. Some just solely do non- mmo niches. I do both and just added MMO niche last 2 years.

    You are right to some degree. There are lots of people here that have only sold to MMO Niche and base there expertise on "theory".

    But don't paint that brush on everyone here


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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    People also sell software and products that marketers can use. It isn't all about "how to mmo" courses. And the demand drives supply. If people came here for other reasons than to learn how to make money online, you can bet the products being sold here would change as well. But mmo is what this forum is about.

    Not everything is perfect here, but there are some good products also: if you don't like it, then help change it or get the hell out. We can always improve with good members like yourself who have some decency, but chronic complainers rarely do any good.

    I used to bitch and complain all the time on this forum and it didn't help change anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

      I used to bitch and complain all the time on this forum and it didn't help change anything.
      Mark has been using multiple ID's to do this for years.
      Some things never change.
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  • Profile picture of the author usmantech
    People are making money by other means and nothing sells like success. So they earn more by teaching others. But you have to carefully spot the ones really disclosing their secrets.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    Originally Posted by jimmcdonald909 View Post

    Is it me or does it seem almost everyone here makes money from teaching others how to make money online?

    Well this is an Internet marketing forum.

    People here are looking for products that teach them how to make money online. So naturally people who sell those products or teach those things are here because this is where their buyers are.

    If you tried to sell a Dog Training product here you would have no luck.

    People selling weight loss products or working in the weight loss/fitness niche are not selling here. They are in fitness and weight loss forums.

    They may be here asking how to get more traffic to their funnel. They may be looking for a "How to drive traffic" WSO or tips on increasing conversions but you won't see "Get Six Pack Abs Easy!" in very many signatures.
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  • Profile picture of the author kursat
    You can find the "warriors for hire" section where many people actually work to make their income. Some of us are web designers and some copy writers and so on. So not everyone is selling the dream or pyramid scheme.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Originally Posted by jimmcdonald909 View Post

    Is it me or does it seem almost everyone here makes money from teaching others how to make money online?
    I notice the same thing when I go to church as well. Everybody seems to be
    singing the same songs at the same time.

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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      What I find even more amazing is that they show up at the same time! Every week! They've been doing it for ages too, and the sky hasn't fallen yet.

      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      I notice the same thing when I go to church as well. Everybody seems to be
      singing the same songs at the same time.

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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by jimmcdonald909 View Post

    Is it me or does it seem almost everyone here makes money from teaching others how to make money online?

    You are just seeing what you want to see.

    There are many, many people here that are only in specific non-MMO niches.

    And this place has nothing to do with a pyramid. There is no benefit to joining the WF early on. There are no downlines. There are no commissions for recruiting.

    Sure, there are a lot of folks here hawking MMO products . . . but should that seem unusual given the fact that this is an Internet marketing forum where Internet marketers come to learn how to make money?

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  • Profile picture of the author tomhunt88
    Good point, whenever I engage ANYONE to help me make money to do a thing I make sure that they have ACTUALLY made money from doing the thing in the first place, not exclusively from teaching people how to do the thing
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    In giving some more thought to the OP's post, I think it's important to note that in every area of life, online, offline, working, marketing, building knowledge, skills, or anything worth pursuing really...

    Requires mindset, focus, and the ability to change your perceptions (or premeditated judgements, bias, or prejudice) as that 'one skill' alone can take a lifetime to master (or overcome).

    However, if you limit yourself by way of fear, insecurities, bias, or especially; disbelief...

    You NEED to learn better marketing skills. Period.

    So, while YOU may not be aware of it yet, your 'perception' of this forum can be or become whatever you choose to make of it...

    But, if you want to find the 'golden nuggets' - YOU will have to sift a ton of soil. As is so with life 'outside' the forum.

    Nothing comes easy, nothing comes free, and more often then not when you 'consciously' seek a solution, you unconsciously reveal a much deeper underlying problem.

    So, "seek and ye shall find" - often reveals more than YOU bargained for, and WILL often be in direct alignment with the 'answers' you truly seek.

    And lastly, in finding those answers; You must choose to acknowledge them, accept them, and change your perspectus... Or prepare to 'repeat' the problem... As I can tell you, I was the KING of avoidance, refused to change, or accept anything without argument...

    Today, I see things a bit clearer, and my perspectives have changed, enabling me to remain optomistic in my opportunist mindset!

    Stick around, grow awhile!

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  • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
    Yea, it ain't a pyramid scheme and one should expect coaching to be sold at a site like this, but there is a bit more to it then all ya'll are talking about. Sean Mize is respected by many on this site and in the IM feild. Here is what he says about coaching:

    Why do you think that coaches like Dan Kennedy, Eben Pagan, Ryan Deiss, and Russell Brunson, who each generate millions and millions of dollars each year in their businesses – continue to offer 1-1 coaching? They don’t NEED the money! And they probably don’t LIKE doing the sessions!

    They do them because the 1-1 sessions – and specifically the AVAILABILITY of the sessions – are an anchor for their top-down funnel. And they only have to do a few a month to keep the entire machine running.

    It’s a top down funnel rather than a bottom up funnel.


    It is an INTEGRAL part of the sales funnel, and PRODUCT sales will DROP if they do not offer some type of coaching program. Calling oneself a coach adds instant authority and credibility to oneself.

    From earlier in that article:

    A few years ago, you could get into the bottom of the market, and bottom-feed. You know, sell $100 versions of the same information the mavens are selling for $2k. You could position yourself as the low-priced leader in your market. And it worked for a time.

    But what has happened is that in nearly every market, dozens or hundreds or thousands of low priced leaders have appeared in the market – in your niche. And this means that they keep lowering prices just to get customers. Well you see what has happened. The $7 information craze. You can learn almost anything you want to online for $7 or for free at youtube.

    Selling information online is becoming a lost art. Not because it’s not popular, but because prices keep dropping. There are lots of reasons for this drop, but the constant rush to sell your information lower than the competition is the primary driver, along with kindle, youtube, and the warrior forum.
    The market is dropping out of the information market. And if you are just getting in – by the time you get up and running, it is likely there will be no market in your niche. If you’ve been trying for a few years to increase sales, but average prices keep going down, you know that what I am saying is true.


    Overview of Maven Coaching Model – Maven Profits

    To be clear, you can find plenty of people here who speak well of their paying for a coach/mentor, but it isn't cut-and-dried like some of the posts above this one make it out to be ...
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by Christopher Fox View Post

      Yea, it ain't a pyramid scheme and one should expect coaching to be sold at a site like this, but there is a bit more to it then all ya'll are talking about. Sean Mize is respected by many on this site and in the IM feild. Here is what he says about coaching:

      Why do you think that coaches like Dan Kennedy, Eben Pagan, Ryan Deiss, and Russell Brunson, who each generate millions and millions of dollars each year in their businesses - continue to offer 1-1 coaching? They don't NEED the money! And they probably don't LIKE doing the sessions!

      They do them because the 1-1 sessions - and specifically the AVAILABILITY of the sessions - are an anchor for their top-down funnel. And they only have to do a few a month to keep the entire machine running.

      It's a top down funnel rather than a bottom up funnel.


      It is an INTEGRAL part of the sales funnel, and PRODUCT sales will DROP if they do not offer some type of coaching program. Calling oneself a coach adds instant authority and credibility to oneself.

      From earlier in that article:

      A few years ago, you could get into the bottom of the market, and bottom-feed. You know, sell $100 versions of the same information the mavens are selling for $2k. You could position yourself as the low-priced leader in your market. And it worked for a time.

      But what has happened is that in nearly every market, dozens or hundreds or thousands of low priced leaders have appeared in the market - in your niche. And this means that they keep lowering prices just to get customers. Well you see what has happened. The $7 information craze. You can learn almost anything you want to online for $7 or for free at youtube.

      Selling information online is becoming a lost art. Not because it's not popular, but because prices keep dropping. There are lots of reasons for this drop, but the constant rush to sell your information lower than the competition is the primary driver, along with kindle, youtube, and the warrior forum.
      The market is dropping out of the information market. And if you are just getting in - by the time you get up and running, it is likely there will be no market in your niche. If you've been trying for a few years to increase sales, but average prices keep going down, you know that what I am saying is true.


      Overview of Maven Coaching Model – Maven Profits

      To be clear, you can find plenty of people here who speak well of their paying for a coach/mentor, but it isn't cut-and-dried like some of the posts above this one make it out to be ...
      While I am one 'from above' who did mention coaching, let me just say that first of all, I do agree with Sean Mize's quoted text above to an extent.

      Yes, I am aware that the 'big name' marketer's do make tons of money, and I'm cool with that, as I am for almost anyone who can churn a buck 'ethically' online, as we all know many of the $7 products aren't worth a shit, and most of the 'cheap' product formulas can be found for free with research.

      However, as opposed to going to college, and paying $10's of thousands of dollars... Is even more disturbing IMHO, than the private coaches making bank from teaching direct techniques.

      Honestly, I probably didn't need Eben's training, but being too cheap, too stubborn perhaps, and too independent to pay $1997 for many of the high ticket prices...

      I can say this; for $1 spent so far... I did learn a bunch of new angles, tips, and insights from Eben's StartUp Club.

      If I wanted to be a real prick, I'd download all the pdf's, videos, and audio mp3 files... and cancel before my $37 payment comes due!

      However, being self-taught and not of any formal academic background, I feel to lack one thing; the ability to structure the massive amount of information I've learned 'without' any real guidance.

      So for me, being a high school drop out, seeking to author books, info products, and develop stronger marketing skills, such as; public speaking, instructional videos, product packaging & delivery, etc...

      I do not regret taking Eben's course.

      Now as far as selling from a top down perspective...

      Isn't that how franchises are born?

      Isn't that what all online marketer's seek in list building, and converting sales, and establishing trust, credibility, and the 'tribe' mindset?

      Isn't that what made this forum great when Allen Says created this platform for marketers to learn, grow, and in many cases... earn from each other?

      I agree with Sean's insightful marketing wisdoms, and maybe coaching/mentoring is from an outside perspective for the nieve...

      But, I for one know what I seek to obtain, and much of it isn't the training, it isn't some infactuation with Eben specifically, it was however; the desire to market in the likeness of his ability to research & develope winning products...

      $2.4 Million in a 3-day launch, um... dare I say; "F__k Yeah... and without some hyped-up snakeoil VSL...

      Double-F__k Yeah, that's where I want my business mindset to be.

      Ah, wtf do I know...

      If you aren't making $100k a year online, most would say you're not successful.

      Meanwhile guys like Jeff Walker speak out thst once you do succeed... You need to be prepared to paint yourself a target, and expect to be attacked for having succeeded.

      Hell, damned if you do... Damned if you don't!

      All I know, is once I decide to run with my bigger ideas, I want to be ready for anything.

      Damn sure beats the type of shit people put up with in the job market or 'enslavement' as I prefer to call it!

      At least some of the people offering coaching are examples that defied the odds, and live well to tell about it... Can't say I am anywhere near there yet myself.

      Whatever motors your boat... This is a big ass ocean!

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  • Profile picture of the author Luke Dennison
    Originally Posted by jimmcdonald909 View Post

    Is it me or does it seem almost everyone here makes money from teaching others how to make money online?

    Either selling products/coaching/products teaching others how to make money online....but does anyone actually do it without selling the dream?

    Even the people that claim they are making great money with ebay/amazon/offline, etc...seem to make the most selling how they actually do it. (look at the wso section...If i made $200,000+ on Amazon/ebay/offline..I sure as hell wouldn't be teaching others to copy me)

    It looks like one great big pyramid scheme
    Have you ever visited a website with advertising that wasn't about making money online? Maybe a fitness website? A home improvement website perhaps?

    I don't mean to be rude but of course there are people here making money in other niches.

    Thats the great thing about Internet marketing.

    There is enough space for everyone to make a buck or two if they want it badly enough!
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  • Profile picture of the author greatness008
    It's an internet marketing forum where people (newbies included) come to learn how to make money online. What do you expect people to sell here, "How to go spearfishing like a champ"?
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  • Profile picture of the author LABEShops
    All I do is sell physical products on online stores/amazon/ebay/etc - no courses, coaching or anything else. But I definitely see what you see - a lot of affiliate marketers and coaches here it seems.
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  • Profile picture of the author James McAllister
    You are at a forum that attracts marketers who want to make money online, so you are also going to attract people wanting to sell to those people.

    There are those who started out trying to sell MMO products because well, that's what they were interested in. They don't tend to last. There are others who found success outside the wealth market and then entered it into it later when they actually had a unique position to teach from.

    It can be hard to tell who's actually walked the walk and who's preaching theory, I understand that. Like always, due diligence is necessary.
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    I acquire data and monetize it using ppl offers and been doing it for over 15 years and it can be an extremely profitable business when done right. For years I have been asked if I do coaching and for years I always said no, but not long ago I gave in and started coaching.

    I also started selling my software that I use, but I sell it at an amazing price. Depending how big someone scales, it can easily save them $10's of thousands of dollars per year, compared to having to get from a company, which all of them charge monthly/per copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author chyan007
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    Originally Posted by jimmcdonald909 View Post

    Is it me or does it seem almost everyone here makes money from teaching others how to make money online?

    Either selling products/coaching/products teaching others how to make money online....but does anyone actually do it without selling the dream?

    Even the people that claim they are making great money with ebay/amazon/offline, etc...seem to make the most selling how they actually do it. (look at the wso section...If i made $200,000+ on Amazon/ebay/offline..I sure as hell wouldn't be teaching others to copy me)

    It looks like one great big pyramid scheme
    This has to be one of the most dumbest Post that i have seen,

    Hey Brother if you dont like this bussiness Model ,go and do something else

    What you said is as good as saying you send your child to a college so that he can grow and earn money....

    Is sending your child to a college a Pyramid Scheme

    From my expereince i can there are so many quality products out there ,,,Learn from them and apply them,you dont need to teach anyone ..

    But you guys dont take any action and call everything a scam ,how ironic is that

    Hope this helps
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      You either have not seen many posts or don't know what dumb is.

      Having seen thousands of posts, I can assure you that this is far, far from being the "most dumbest."

      Originally Posted by chyan007 View Post

      This has to be one of the most dumbest Post that i have seen,

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      • Profile picture of the author chyan007
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        Originally Posted by DABK View Post

        You either have not seen many posts or don't know what dumb is.

        Having seen thousands of posts, I can assure you that this is far, far from being the "most dumbest."
        Thank you ,Have a good day
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        • Profile picture of the author DABK
          Mah pleasure, I'm sure.

          Originally Posted by chyan007 View Post

          Thank you ,Have a good day
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    • Profile picture of the author @tjr
      Originally Posted by chyan007 View Post

      This has to be one of the most dumbest Post that i have seen,

      Hey Brother if you dont like this bussiness Model ,go and do something else

      What you said is as good as saying you send your child to a college so that he can grow and earn money....

      Is sending your child to a college a Pyramid Scheme

      From my expereince i can there are so many quality products out there ,,,Learn from them and apply them,you dont need to teach anyone ..

      But you guys dont take any action and call everything a scam ,how ironic is that

      Hope this helps
      You went from 0 to 100 real quick here.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by chyan007 View Post

      This has to be one of the most dumbest Post that i have seen,
      Kick your shoes off , pull up a chair, and stay awhile... you ain't seen nothing yet


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      • Profile picture of the author chyan007
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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Kick your shoes off , pull up a chair, and stay awhile... you ain't seen nothing yet


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        Thanks Robert ,Hope you have a good day
        Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    OP is right about internet marketing and "make money online" circles being full of scammers and liars.

    In my experience around 90% of people selling "make money online" products have never actually made any money online before selling their "how to make money" products. This becomes extremely obvious when you see WSO's selling claims like "how to make your own WSO in 1 hour with no experience" and then you discover that that WSO was made in 1 hour by someone who bought someone else's WSO about how to make a WSO. And so on and so forth.

    There are some people who do actually have experience and are willing to share it, either for free or for a price. But the problem is that it is up to you to filter through all the crap and find the gold. But how do you do that if you yourself have no experience? Well, that's the biggest problem with this industry. And it's one that isn't going to go away anytime soon.

    One of the best things you can do is find the people who are giving away great information for free without forcing you to buy into anything. They are usually the ones that know what they are talking about.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by jimmcdonald909 View Post

    It looks like one great big pyramid scheme
    Gotta make money somehow
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonjoel
    Thank you for an interesting post. Yes, people do make money here by teaching other people how to make money online.

    I am not going to say that people don't sell their dreams too. Cause, I believe people are selling or partially selling their dreams online too.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimmcdonald909
      Originally Posted by jasonjoel View Post

      Thank you for an interesting post. Yes, people do make money here by teaching other people how to make money online.

      I am not going to say that people don't sell their dreams too. Cause, I believe people are selling or partially selling their dreams online too.
      My point is...

      Joe buys a course on "how to blog for profits..."

      Re-hashes it..sells it as his own.

      Joe writes a book on Amazon. Sells $300 worth.

      Then makes a wso about it, hyped up to hell. Makes $3,000

      Most people here make a hell of a lot more "teaching" than actually doing.

      You have wso's about how to make killer wso's no experience or real life results needed. If that's not the case closer...I bow out!
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmcdonald909
    Wow...a real meaningful and deep discussion with that reply.Can you add to that?

    Originally Posted by chyan007 View Post
    This has to be one of the most dumbest Post that i have seen,
    basically 2 camps here.

    The ones that see it for what it really is.
    The sellers defending their income.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmcdonald909
    You seem to lurk here making posts all day/every day....I guess this is your hunting ground?

    Kick your shoes off , pull up a chair, and stay awhile... you ain't seen nothing yet


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    • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
      Originally Posted by jimmcdonald909 View Post

      You seem to lurk here making posts all day/every day....I guess this is your hunting ground?
      You are relatively new here. You should read more of R.A.'s posts. He seems to be a pretty friendly guy with a level head who does not go around making ridiculous income claims.

      I have some issues with the IM/Info Product Industry and the proliferation of 'coaching' (among other things), but that is mostly with the 'fake-it-till-ya-make-it' (and other various cheeseballs) and the people that are obviously just flat out preying upon people's emotions to get access to their wallets, and have pissed off more than one person here voicing some of those issues, lol, so I am not a sycophant and automatic defender with this stuff.

      While having a healthy skepticism of coaching myself, in general (too many Life Coaches out there for my tastes, lol), you will find MANY people claiming that coaching/mentoring really HELPED them to get some things figured out and some money coming into their paypal/bank accounts. So, keep that in mind as you are going around insulting people. Robert does not strike me as a 'hunter', being one of those out there that does prey upon people, giving IMers a bad name, and many people have claimed benefit from 'hunters' like Robert ...
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by jimmcdonald909 View Post

      You seem to lurk here making posts all day/every day....I guess this is your hunting ground?
      Nope, just trying to keep it real here. Especially when others try to start a Thread with disparaging remarks and 'blanketing' a whole group of people here with those remarks. When its a fact that there are many here who can NOT be put in your convenient category of 'pyramid schemers'
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    @Christopher Fox...

    My bad, some of the 'referenced' article;

    Overview of Maven Coaching Model – Maven Profits

    Having not read the 'complete' article- prior too my above response, I can say this; while I have yet to date, released ANY cheap products, that article sews together the underlying reason; I've restrained from attempting to sell anything with my name on it that may 'label me cheap'.

    The real irony is; the same thing is happening offline, and tones of desperation have reduced many of my offline trade skills to near nothing in monetary values, as competitors line up to 'undersell' what their time is truly worth, and destroy the offline markets.

    Systematically, this practice (IMHO) is NOT healthy for the whole, and only serves the 'offline mavens' - just as Sean discloses in his awesome post!

    Lastly, be it by virtue of fear or another form of ignorance (of sort) - I agree, if people deduce the value of any service or product, they 'directly' influence, and offset the benefit of the majority!

    Simply put, demand what your time is worth... Not what the market dictates. Hence, the reason 1% control the majority of all the capital!

    I've made it a 'sticky' in which I intend to read that article (above) at least once a week, until I can make it a reality!

    Thanks Christopher, Sean's view nests well within my ever-increasing perspectives of creating value from an eagle's vantagepoint!

    - Art
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    I have a number of sites in a number of different niches. One site of mine teaches people to make money online.

    It's not the only thing that I do.

    Charlie
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