Is it okay to lose money at first?

by AhmedF
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Well, i'm currently building my email list using Facebook ads. I'm getting 3-5 subscribers per day for $6-$10 and i'm not getting enough profit to cover my expenses. Is it okay to lose money now and build my email list which will cover these expenses in the long term? Or is it risky?
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  • Profile picture of the author William2010
    It is ok first to lose some money as long as you have a proper email sequence in place that will put you back in profit. Also the funnel you send your subscriber the first time should be really good in order to make sales every time you send traffic through it
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    • Profile picture of the author rjd1265
      Yes it is, in fact it is a most certainty when you start out.

      Even veterans lose money on campaigns as it is a part of testing.

      Depending on your niche you may be better off buying solo ads to build your list....You can get subscribers for around $1.00 as you are paying $2.00+ with Facebook now.
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  • Profile picture of the author heruma
    Do not look at it as losing money.
    Look at it as an investment, as your school fee.

    You should budget how much you want to invest.
    You should know what your goal is, not dream.

    From your experiment, what should you learn?

    For example (in your case).
    How many ads copies are you running?
    How many picture are you testing for each ads?
    Do you categorized your demographics?
    How many landing pages are you testing?

    If you are only running one, then you will lose your money.

    Well, I assume you know all that.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Luke Dennison
    Well the whole point on IM is to make money so I wouldn't just be like "oh its ok".

    You're paying $2 per subscriber which seems like a bit too much for me. I have never actually used paid traffic to build my list, but I'l offer some advice to you anyway.

    On average, it's commonly known that each subscriber on your list is worth $1/month. This obviously various but its a good benchmark figure.

    If you are making money consistantly from the traffic that you are getting, I would read articles on PPC advertising with Facebook, and concentrate on trying to get your CPC down on your ad spend which will in turn increase your profit per subscriber.

    Hope this helped you!
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  • Profile picture of the author 64wegrow
    I have always gone by the "one dollar per lead valuation" when building my list. I think your best bet is to diversify your advertising by testing different ways to generate leads. Not only facebook ads, but also solo ads, Microsoft Ad Center Advertising, and Google Adwords just to name a few.

    It is alright in my opinion to spend more on some leads and less on others, but as time moves on I suggest trying to hover around the one dollar per lead average.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    No it's not ok to lose money. Are you in this to lose money or make money?

    The only thing you've proved is what you're doing doesn't make a profit. Refine your strategy & make a profit or move on.

    We're talking email list building here, there's plenty of free ways to drive targeted traffic that don't involve an expensive PPC learning curve.
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Al
    You're paying for data at the moment, sure you want money but you need the data.

    Based on that data (... and it isn't a lot to go on, the significance is dubious) it does sound expensive per lead.

    So why's that? How much traffic is hitting your squeeze page, why are so few converting to leads (... it might be a good thing if they're super-qualified) or is it because your ad, your squeeze page... have a looksy and see what you can make better.
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  • Profile picture of the author tyronne78
    Your goal is to at least break even on the front end of your funnel...the real profits are made on the backend. The backend of the funnel is usually some sort of coaching program or monthly subscription..basically a product or service your customer buys on a monthly basis...
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  • Profile picture of the author EricBernard
    I'd say yes... to a point. If I'm running PPC campaigns or just testing something I can expect to lose money when I first start but I'm doing that knowing that it is extremely temporary and that big money will come after I tweak it the right way.

    You are paying like $2 a subscriber and since you said per day I'm guessing you've been doing this for a few days or weeks now.

    You cannot keep doing something that's just clearly not working. You could try many other methods for building your list that would give you a better ROI and help you get much more than 3-5 subscribers per day.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Just so you know, lollywollydoodle.com is making millions ($$) from Facebook without buying traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author netmrktr
      Yes, it is okay to lose money at first. Many traditional businesses (brick and mortar) take a number of years to crawl out of the red when they are beginning.

      The main thing is if you believe in your product/service and deep down you believe it will be profitable, stick with it!

      A word of caution though... be realistic with your expectations... many people think they have a great business idea and if pitched to others they completely disagree.

      Be smart and good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author taha0092
    Well I would say yes it's ok when you first begin, as long as you start making money not very long after.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stevven1
    You never "lose" money, you will gain experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author Silentkiller1
    It is ok if you tweak and experiment but if you just let the same ad show everyday you will only lose money and that's not what IM for.
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  • Profile picture of the author texsumaiya
    Firstly you may be in the loss project, but it does not mean you will need to have a big amount. You should try to reduce the cost. You should work in various ways not only in the Facebook ads. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    You will almost always lose money at first when trying to make money online. The trick to the whole thing is finding a way to actually make a profit. If everyone could do it from the beginning, everyone would do it. But they can't.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Yeah it's fine. People do it all the time - sometimes intentionally. Their logic behind it is that they will make so much money selling backend products to a customer that it will totally outshine and make up for the initial lost profit when they first got the customer. And it works.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      No, it's not OK to lose money. When you have that mindset, you will only lose more, and more money (because it OK) and that's not the goal of Internet marketing.

      Thinking it's OK to lose money suggests that you will keep on doing what you're doing now because others are saying that it happens all the time.

      Yes, many marketers lose money on the front end - but that doesn't have to happen. There are also many marketers that have figured out how to make money on the front end. Where would you rather be?

      If I were you, I'd stop losing money for the moment and figure out how to get subscribers in a way that you either break even or make a little money up front. It can be done - it's done all the time.

      The randomly selected Warrior member makes no money at all in this game. Who are you going to listen to?

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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    Originally Posted by AhmedF View Post

    Well, i'm currently building my email list using Facebook ads. I'm getting 3-5 subscribers per day for $6-$10 and i'm not getting enough profit to cover my expenses. Is it okay to lose money now and build my email list which will cover these expenses in the long term? Or is it risky?
    You need more info to be sure.

    It is okay to lose money at first, if you have a quality funnel and you are tweaking it for conversions and ROI.

    When you say "$6-10 for 3-5 subscribers and not getting enough profit to cover expenses", that does not tell a lot.

    What is the offer in your funnel? What is the downsell? What is the upsell? What parts are converting? What parts are not?

    In addition to the initial opt-in, offer, upsell, downsells, etc. ... How long is your autoresponder series? How does it presell/softsell/hardsell the product?

    Where in the autoresponder series do you ask for the "buy"? How does that convert? Have you tried asking for a "buy" earlier in the series? Later?

    If you are getting opt-ins without a strong sales funnel in place (especially upsells) and you do not have a good autoresponder series preset to go as soon as they opt-in then it is bad to lose money.

    Losing money should be part of the initial testing and tweaking for new markets/keywords.

    If you are sending paid traffic to your funnel you should ensure that funnel is optimized for ROI.

    Free traffic and blog traffic can do with just an opt-in page and rely on your autoresponder series.

    For paid traffic (like facebook) it is much more important to have a multifaceted funnel (upsells and downsells) to maximize conversions and ROI for the money you are spending.

    So it is okay to lose money (at first) but don't "pay for leads" with an inefficient funnel and poor autoresponder series. That's just throwing away cash.
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    • Profile picture of the author AhmedF
      Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

      You need more info to be sure.

      It is okay to lose money at first, if you have a quality funnel and you are tweaking it for conversions and ROI.

      When you say "$6-10 for 3-5 subscribers and not getting enough profit to cover expenses", that does not tell a lot.

      What is the offer in your funnel? What is the downsell? What is the upsell? What parts are converting? What parts are not?

      In addition to the initial opt-in, offer, upsell, downsells, etc. ... How long is your autoresponder series? How does it presell/softsell/hardsell the product?

      Where in the autoresponder series do you ask for the "buy"? How does that convert? Have you tried asking for a "buy" earlier in the series? Later?

      If you are getting opt-ins without a strong sales funnel in place (especially upsells) and you do not have a good autoresponder series preset to go as soon as they opt-in then it is bad to lose money.

      Losing money should be part of the initial testing and tweaking for new markets/keywords.

      If you are sending paid traffic to your funnel you should ensure that funnel is optimized for ROI.

      Free traffic and blog traffic can do with just an opt-in page and rely on your autoresponder series.

      For paid traffic (like facebook) it is much more important to have a multifaceted funnel (upsells and downsells) to maximize conversions and ROI for the money you are spending.

      So it is okay to lose money (at first) but don't "pay for leads" with an inefficient funnel and poor autoresponder series. That's just throwing away cash.
      I'm just promoting an affiliate offer after the opt-in page. And i promote the offer again 3 times in the first 7 days in my autoresponder series.
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