I quite 5 years ago...should I come back?

8 years ago

Personally Id go with Affiliate marketing to keep it simple. All you do is send traffic to a product. No selling or telling or anything. Just send the traffic.

Of course you do not want to send traffic straight to the offer. Very, very important that you do not do that. Also with thier own capture pages they give you. Sure go ahead and test them but most of the time your better off creating your own squeeze page and whole funnel leading your new prospect into the sales page of your affiliate product.

Once you got all that set up send a small amount of top tier USA quality traffic and see how she runs. Again personally I like to shoot for at least a 30% conversion to generate a prospect. Set things up properly and your front end sale can come at good numbers as well. You can have a 25% or more conversion of people buying your recommendation or front end cash flow. Also through time with a good email sequence you can convert more of those leads over time plus suggest other related products and services. Thats where the real monitization is at is in your list. Like, Know, and Trust factors

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arun1993

8 years ago

Affiliate marketing is my recommendation...

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chyan007

Banned 8 years ago

Its difficult y because if you face a setback, you may quit again, having said that if you are determined, you can give it a shot again and I don't see y you can't do it, although I have not mentioned any specific strategy as first you need to get yourself ready, we can discuss it later

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SmartTim

8 years ago

You should come back. No harm having more income right. Working for just one income is just plain stupid. If you got multiple streams of incomes such as affiliate marketing, PPC. You can have 10 income streams (9 online income streams + a work in real life). This way you most likely make at least $20,000 easily.

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Luke Dennison

8 years ago

Yes you should come back! Why not eh?

Look around the products over @ clickbank and you will find a few quality products that actually convert.

If you're looking to spend money, keep it simple. Get a squeeze page set up, and spend $250 a month on bing ads and other means of PPC and test various keywords until you're making more than you're spending.

Good luck matey!

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Enfusia

8 years ago

1st - do only what you have a burning desire to do.

If you want to have that IM lifestyle then, welcome back.

If you're going to quit when you get knocked down, then just stay in your job because IM is still the same thing you quit 5 years ago.
Face it, you're going to get knocked down. Question is, will you get back up.

I don't know you, and am not questioning you. Just replying honestly.

List building is where it's at, always has been. Affiliate marketing without building a list is a rat on a treadmill.

There are plenty of HABA (health and beauty aids) that convert. Go over to Market Health and they have great converting items with ok to decent upsells.

The choice is yours.

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kalki411

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Enfusia

1st - do only what you have a burning desire to do.

If you want to have that IM lifestyle then, welcome back.

If you're going to quit when you get knocked down, then just stay in your job because IM is still the same thing you quit 5 years ago.
Face it, you're going to get knocked down. Question is, will you get back up.

I don't know you, and am not questioning you. Just replying honestly.

List building is where it's at, always has been. Affiliate marketing without building a list is a rat on a treadmill.

There are plenty of HABA (health and beauty aids) that convert. Go over to Market Health and they have great converting items with ok to decent upsells.

The choice is yours.

Patrick

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If I remember properly I just set up a squeeze page with a good reason to join the list and then redirect them to an affiliate offer after they sign up right?

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Enfusia

8 years ago

Originally Posted by kalki411

Thanks!

If I remember properly I just set up a squeeze page with a good reason to join the list and then redirect them to an affiliate offer after they sign up right?

I would strongly suggest building a relationship with them first, or you'll get caught up in churn and burn.

I don't make my 1st offer for 10 days. I give them a great freebie. Then I give them a great 12 week course as a bonus for free.
Then I give them daily blog posts with killer content fro free too.

I get great sales, great relationships and lots of Christmas cards.

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kalki411

8 years ago

I appreciate the follow up Patrick. (Good ebook too.)

Kick ass content is important. And I can produce an OK volume of it.

Getting traffic (that converts profitably) is what I've struggled with. Some marketers really just have no problem getting massive free traffic, but not me.

I know I can get paid traffic to work after a testing period, (I've done it) but "ain't nobody got time for the testing"...

I'm trying to decide now if I should just build the list now with confidence that I'll monetize it down the road, because I've never been able to just throw money at a campaign and get a return on cash within 30 days.

I like health and I'm pretty knowledgeable with it. Same with marketing. I know everything that goes into building a brand, authority and all that jazz... But I'm lazy and don't have that much time to do the whole daily blogging thing.

I also know that straight affiliate marketing isn't going to work because offers come and go and campaigns die. And I don't want to have to keep up with constantly changing offers.

That's why building lead magnets and building campaigns around the lead magnets should work for me. If I can build and launch a lead magnet every 2 weeks that'll be great!

Then sending Facebook traffic should see me at around 25% CR for sign ups but that still sees me at a cost of roughly 4-8$ per email sign up.

With a 1% CR on the OTO we're looking at a minimum of $400 per conversion.

Wich would leave me with a total investment of $400 and a $50 commission or so.

Then if I pause the ads, will I really be able to make up the 350$.

Auto responder aside, let's say we get an open rate of 25% and a ctr of 4%! Then that means I would get 1 click per email blast.

Then it would take me 100 emails to then make my next $50 commission. (Assuming the CR on the offer is 1%)

These numbers could be improved a bit, but I must be missing something. Even if the CR was 10%, that still means that it would take 35 emails to make back my initial investment.

Thoughts?

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Enfusia

8 years ago

Originally Posted by kalki411

I appreciate the follow up Patrick. (Good ebook too.)

Kick ass content is important. And I can produce an OK volume of it.

Getting traffic (that converts profitably) is what I've struggled with. Some marketers really just have no problem getting massive free traffic, but not me.

I know I can get paid traffic to work after a testing period, (I've done it) but "ain't nobody got time for the testing"...

I'm trying to decide now if I should just build the list now with confidence that I'll monetize it down the road, because I've never been able to just throw money at a campaign and get a return on cash within 30 days.

I like health and I'm pretty knowledgeable with it. Same with marketing. I know everything that goes into building a brand, authority and all that jazz... But I'm lazy and don't have that much time to do the whole daily blogging thing.

I also know that straight affiliate marketing isn't going to work because offers come and go and campaigns die. And I don't want to have to keep up with constantly changing offers.

That's why building lead magnets and building campaigns around the lead magnets should work for me. If I can build and launch a lead magnet every 2 weeks that'll be great!

Then sending Facebook traffic should see me at around 25% CR for sign ups but that still sees me at a cost of roughly 4-8$ per email sign up.

With a 1% CR on the OTO we're looking at a minimum of $400 per conversion.

Wich would leave me with a total investment of $400 and a $50 commission or so.

Then if I pause the ads, will I really be able to make up the 350$.

Auto responder aside, let's say we get an open rate of 25% and a ctr of 4%! Then that means I would get 1 click per email blast.

Then it would take me 100 emails to then make my next $50 commission. (Assuming the CR on the offer is 1%)

These numbers could be improved a bit, but I must be missing something. Even if the CR was 10%, that still means that it would take 35 emails to make back my initial investment.

Thoughts?

1. There are free traffic sources that convert very well that are fast. You just need to put in the effort.

2. Why would you need a new lead capture set up every 2 weeks. I've been using the same one for years. Still works just like it did out of the box. I keep promoting it, and they keep signing up.

3. Why in the world would sign ups cost you $4-$8 each? I'm running around 12 to 20 cents each. I mean, sure, you have to structure things a certain way, but, so what.

I do have a solo ad guy I buy from whose list is fantastic. That costs me about .80 cents per sign up, but that's my highest cost.

4. As far as your math is concerned, I don't follow it.
I typically get an open rate that would make you pinch a loaf in your shorts (so I won't say it). Plus, my % that purchase is nearly unbelievable as well.

I don't deal with numbers like yours. My average subscriber is worth just north of $3 per month to me.

Most people are lucky to get .50 cents per sub, I get over $3.00.
Not braggin, just sayin.

Like I said in my earlier reply. Build the relationship with the people on your list.

Patrick

P.S. Glad you like my eBook.

Thank you, Patrick

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8 years ago

Originally Posted by Enfusia

1. There are free traffic sources that convert very well that are fast. You just need to put in the effort.

2. Why would you need a new lead capture set up every 2 weeks. I've been using the same one for years. Still works just like it did out of the box. I keep promoting it, and they keep signing up.

3. Why in the world would sign ups cost you $4-$8 each? I'm running around 12 to 20 cents each. I mean, sure, you have to structure things a certain way, but, so what.

I do have a solo ad guy I buy from whose list is fantastic. That costs me about .80 cents per sign up, but that's my highest cost.

4. As far as your math is concerned, I don't follow it.
I typically get an open rate that would make you pinch a loaf in your shorts (so I won't say it). Plus, my % that purchase is nearly unbelievable as well.

I don't deal with numbers like yours. My average subscriber is worth just north of $3 per month to me.

Most people are lucky to get .50 cents per sub, I get over $3.00.
Not braggin, just sayin.

Like I said in my earlier reply. Build the relationship with the people on your list.

Patrick

P.S. Glad you like my eBook.

Thank you, Patrick

Thanks again Patrick!

I was just workin' from numbers that I know I could get in the past... but what you have said will be invaluable to me. Now I have some more realistic benchmarks.

I still have no clue where to get traffic that is so cheap... I was basing the $4-$8 on a CPC of 1-2$ a click with 25% conversion rate (which I know I could get to 50% eventually, but not in the beginning.)

You are getting traffic at 3 to 5 cents a visitor... which is fantastic... ( I haven't been able to reach that level in the past.)

So I still have a lot to learn.

What free sources of traffic work? (I don't want to blog)

---posting in related forums would work... and getting interviewed in people's podcasts...

Thanks for your eye opening clarifications!!

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kalki411

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Luke Dennison

Yes you should come back! Why not eh?

Look around the products over @ clickbank and you will find a few quality products that actually convert.

If you're looking to spend money, keep it simple. Get a squeeze page set up, and spend $250 a month on bing ads and other means of PPC and test various keywords until you're making more than you're spending.

Good luck matey!

The thing is I don't want to test which offers are decent. I want to know I'm not sending traffic to a low converting offer.

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8 years ago

IF you have to ask total strangers in a public forum then the answer is probably no.

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seobro

8 years ago

Please do come back as we miss you. Well, things are different now.Of that we can agree. However, you can still have the large [BUY] button and the key is to get people to click on it. Maybe you can find a brand new niche that is narrow. Those are great for monetizing content as people search for what is new. Let's face it, health care is massive. I have found that most of my customers are seniors. Most teenagers feel they are bullet proof and really do not care.

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8 years ago

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8 years ago

There will always be changes on the horizon. If you come back to the game, be prepared for those changes by diversifying where your traffic comes from. This way, if you lose one source, you always have the others and you can seek a replacement for the one you lost. You know the say, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket."

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SFNY 8 years ago

Honestly, you mention blackhat and ranking. That was where it's at back then, today it's still about ranking. The only thing that's really changed is the way you build your links. Back then, you built your links outside in. Today, you build your links inside out.

Whether you do your own product, which is really where true entrepreneurship lies or you do promotions, you still have to build, rank, market, promote, etc. With Amazon as with eBay as with any other sellers platform - reviews still apply. With pomos - targeted list building is not easy, although I actually think I may have cracked the code lol.

Where I struggled was promoting other people's products over my own. That wasn't for me and that's not for entrepreneurs. My first successful business was in nightlife and I started promoting for big time event coordinators. That's when I realized that I was making them money and built my own team and did my own events.

All I can say is, if your doing this to make a living - taking it serious and treating it as a business is the only long term way. If you want to promote product or make some affiliate or Adsense money, fine. But if you go that route - you're still working for someone. Remember that!
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- DWolfe 8 years ago
  
  Yes you can back the door is always open. With that said, take your time and do it right this time around. Don't quit your current job till you are making steady income that replaces your current income. Your family always has to comes first !
  
  Don't rely on any one method that can put you out of business. Depending on google got you slapped in the past. Learn from your mistakes and welcome back.
  
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  kalki411 8 years ago
  
  Hi guys! Thank you for your honest answers. It does mean a lot to me.
  
  I know what it's like being an affiliate and I'm determined to get back in the game.
  
  In the past I tried a few times to start list building, but I wasn't seeing the cash up front.
  
  At my current job I set up funnels for b2b companies selling $100,000 products.
  
  And I have no problem setting up a good converting funnel IF the offer converts. And then there's the issue of getting traffic that's cheap enough.
  
  I'm pretty much done with SEO for now and don't want to make the time investment of building an authority site.
  
  Something that would really help is how much a member of a list is worth to you all, like if how much should I pay for a subscriber to a health list...assuming everything is doing ok.
  
  Also, what EPC's can I expect from a decent offer when I email the list....
  
  I'm just trying to get into the ballpark of running the whole thing.
  
  Maybe I just sucked a picking offers in the past....
  
  Final thoughts... Do free e-books still work to get people to sign up to a list.
  
  And has anyone tried Outbrain type ads as a source of traffic?
  
  I know it can be done, and I personally know people who are making 7 figures a month doing launchs and JVs but they have a list of 250,000 so...
  
  What's the best way to get to that level?
  
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  Originally Posted by kalki411
  
  I know it can be done, and I personally know people who are making 7 figures a month doing launchs and JVs but they have a list of 250,000 so...
  
  Hey Kalki it's not the size of the list, it's the quality.
  
  But it is the list.
  
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  Hey Kalki it's not the size of the list, it's the quality.
  
  Very true, but if you read the last post I made, tell me what you think about those numbers.
  
  Can you help me out with the math?
  
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rMike

8 years ago

Why don't you try doing incentive-based CPA again?

The market is still live, although, as everything else, it is not as easy to get to the big numbers.

As markets mature, the audience is always looking for something newer, something more sophisticated.

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kalki411

8 years ago

Originally Posted by rMike

Why don't you try doing incentive-based CPA again?

The market is still live, although, as everything else, it is not as easy to get to the big numbers.

As markets mature, the audience is always looking for something newer, something more sophisticated.

I was doing SEO back then. And never got any paid traffic to work. Any pointers? I still get 10 bucks a month from my Bing rankings. Lol.

I'm an affiliate who doesn't have any cheap traffic... Lol.

Keep the comments coming... Am I missing something really obvious?

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Omarkenawy

8 years ago

Come back again but don`t put all your eggs on just only one basket. I see (as you said) you were totally depending on getting traffic from just one source. That`s absolutely not good in online world.

If you intend to build an email list in the health niche, I strongly suggest you to use pay per click to send traffic to your squeeze page ( not directly to sales pages).

To your success again and again
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8 years ago

Originally Posted by Omarkenawy

Come back again but don`t put all your eggs on just only one basket. I see (as you said) you were totally depending on getting traffic from just one source. That`s absolutely not good in online world.

If you intend to build an email list in the health niche, I strongly suggest you to use pay per click to send traffic to your squeeze page ( not directly to sales pages).

To your success again and again
Omar

Yeah, I just need to build multiple sources of traffic. Which I can do after getting CASH FLOW. See my above questions about getting my investment back? How long will it take me to make back the money from my list? So I can reinvest.

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Banned 8 years ago

kalki411: why would you want to go through the hassle of creating a content, building a list, etc, when you can just buy a WSO from here and make money? lol.

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8 years ago

OP:

You've got to stop asking other people to give you numbers. No one can do that and if they do, it would be meaningless. No one can tell you how much you will make per subscriber. You may make 5 cent or you may make 50 dollars. No one can tell you how long it will take you to break even or profit. No one can tell you what the EPC is on some unknown product. How would you even think that's possible? Even with a known product, someone can't tell you what your EPC will be with it. You need to find this out for yourself.

Also, you said you don't want to test offers. In that case, you should just forget about this now. If you don't want to test and you expect someone else to hand you a winning offer and a winning campaign, you are in for a shock. You seem to not be willing to do much work on your own from your posts here. If you don't want to work at it, don't even try it.

So decide now whether you even want to do this and if you are willing to work at it. If so, you will need to test and you will need to find your numbers for yourself. If you're serious about this, I would get off this forum and start working on it right now since you have some free time.

Btw, you're not going to be able to advertise on Outbrain with $250.

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kalki411

8 years ago

Originally Posted by JC Web

OP:

You've got to stop asking other people to give you numbers. No one can do that and if they do, it would be meaningless. No one can tell you how much you will make per subscriber. You may make 5 cent or you may make 50 dollars. No one can tell you how long it will take you to break even or profit. No one can tell you what the EPC is on some unknown product. How would you even think that's possible? Even with a known product, someone can't tell you what your EPC will be with it. You need to find this out for yourself.

Also, you said you don't want to test offers. In that case, you should just forget about this now. If you don't want to test and you expect someone else to hand you a winning offer and a winning campaign, you are in for a shock. You seem to not be willing to do much work on your own from your posts here. If you don't want to work at it, don't even try it.

So decide now whether you even want to do this and if you are willing to work at it. If so, you will need to test and you will need to find your numbers for yourself. If you're serious about this, I would get off this forum and start working on it right now since you have some free time.

Btw, you're not going to be able to advertise on Outbrain with $250.

Thanks.

I totally get where you are coming from! And I know that no matter what I'm going to have to do my own testing.

I was just hoping to get a better idea of what to expect based on what others are doing.

I'm NOT asking for offers served up on a silver platter.

I'm just wondering what to do next and I know there are SOME helpful people on this forum.

Maybe this is getting off topic. But what has been YOUR experience with list building, and do you have any suggestions for a paid traffic source?

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8 years ago

Originally Posted by JC Web

OP:

You've got to stop asking other people to give you numbers. No one can do that and if they do, it would be meaningless. No one can tell you how much you will make per subscriber. You may make 5 cent or you may make 50 dollars. No one can tell you how long it will take you to break even or profit. No one can tell you what the EPC is on some unknown product. How would you even think that's possible? Even with a known product, someone can't tell you what your EPC will be with it. You need to find this out for yourself.

Also, you said you don't want to test offers. In that case, you should just forget about this now. If you don't want to test and you expect someone else to hand you a winning offer and a winning campaign, you are in for a shock. You seem to not be willing to do much work on your own from your posts here. If you don't want to work at it, don't even try it.

So decide now whether you even want to do this and if you are willing to work at it. If so, you will need to test and you will need to find your numbers for yourself. If you're serious about this, I would get off this forum and start working on it right now since you have some free time.

Btw, you're not going to be able to advertise on Outbrain with $250.

Couldnt have said it better myself!

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8 years ago

Should you come back?

Only you can answer this question.

If you've made mistakes in the past and have learned from them, then you can move forward.

If you haven't, then things will keep repeating until you do.

If you do decide to come back, be prepared for temporary set backs. They always happen.

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art72

8 years ago

Definitely, if you can stomach it... You should come back!

Patrick already mentioned MarketHealth, they have quite a bit to offer, and it freaked me out a bit when he mentioned a freebie, plus a 12 week course' as I am working on the exact thing right now... Slow going, as the ebooks almost done, getting ready to start on 12 "basic training" modules now, and then, I need to create the "power upsell" that let's members make money while they learn.

Also, if you don't have a domain or hosting yet, iPage is running a perty decent offer for a new domain & hosting for a year... for $12!

I know they're owned by EIG, but I went ahead an bought a domain & hosting from them yesterday... Just because it was only $12.

And if you don't have an autoresponder... I think it was $1 per month ($3 extra) for 3 months of Constant Contact.

If I remember correctly... up to 1,000 subs. Then $20 month after the 3 months is up. So, for $15... You're up and running brother!

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8 years ago

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salegurus

8 years ago

If you want to try again do it, why make a big deal about it... If you need reassurance from people you don't know from adam then you're probably not ready...

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kalki411 8 years ago

Originally Posted by salegurus

If you want to try again do it, why make a big deal about it... If you need reassurance from people you don't know from adam then you're probably not ready...

You're right.

I'm not confident in coming back.

But I want to come back...

So yes I was looking for reassurances. And I'm trying to convince myself that I'll make the money back.

I know it's possible. I've done it. My buddies have done it. I just haven't gotten paid traffic to work for me consistently.

So I guess I'm just like all these other jokers who are looking for shortcuts.

Thanks for the real talk guys. I'm going to go build a real business now.

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- Steve B 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by kalki411
  
  I'm not confident in coming back.
  
  But I want to come back...
  
  Kalki,
  
  I think you had your mind made up about what you were going to do before you even came back the the Warrior Forum.
  
  Here's the thing. You can make money online - you've already proven that.
  
  Don't, under any circumstances, use black hat methods. You tried that once and it failed you. It will fail you again - so forget that approach.
  
  Don't fret so much about the Internet being different today than it was 5 years ago. It is a constantly changing environment. Yes, it may be a little more difficult to be profitable in some sectors . . . but that is nothing new . . . it has always been so.
  
  On the flip side, there are many, many additional niches and models for making money today. The opportunities before you are magnified many times over.
  
  Keep your job until you can replace that income with your online income so you don't unduly put pressure on your Internet business. Yes, that might take some sacrifice on your part and some reduced spending in your life but I can tell you that it will be worth it.
  
  Use the knowledge and experience you have already gained online - you don't have to start over - things are not that different.
  
  The very best to you,
  
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anwar001

8 years ago

Make a list of all the hurdles and problems you had faced earlier which caused you to quit IM and which proved a hindrance in making you reach your IM goals.

When you have this list, beneath each item in that list, write down what you can do and plan to do for overcoming these hurdles because these hurdles which were there 5 years ago are still much likely to be there even now. So, try to have a plan on how you are going to proceed.

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kalki411

8 years ago

Originally Posted by anwar001

Make a list of all the hurdles and problems you had faced earlier which caused you to quit IM and which proved a hindrance in making you reach your IM goals.

When you have this list, beneath each item in that list, write down what you can do and plan to do for overcoming these hurdles because these hurdles which were there 5 years ago are still much likely to be there even now. So, try to have a plan on how you are going to proceed.

Best advice so far. Thanks!

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Randall Magwood

8 years ago

Yeah come back to online business. Honestly you shouldn't have left the arena when your income sank, but i can imagine the emotional rollercoaster you were feeling at the time. $250/month isn't much. If you can do $500/month in advertising, then do that. And come back in a niche where you can earn money again and again... month after month with affiliate marketing.

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kalki411

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Randall Magwood

Yeah come back to online business. Honestly you shouldn't have left the arena when your income sank, but i can imagine the emotional rollercoaster you were feeling at the time. $250/month isn't much. If you can do $500/month in advertising, then do that. And come back in a niche where you can earn money again and again... month after month with affiliate marketing.

I know 250 is low. That's why I've been putting this off... I'm just going to have to take this slow and not expect to see my money back.

I'll just turn my ads off until I get more money. And run ads every two weeks. Because I only get a paycheck every other week.

I'll do that until I optimize my squeeze page.

And it'll give me more time to learn more about the people on my list.

Ill just have to focus on building my brand and learning which content performs best.

Maybe I'll build a following on Facebook too to get some free traffic.

And also start a few retargeting audiences so I can turn on retargeting ads once my squeeze page is better.

Does this make sense?

Also,
What's the best tool to use if you want to do pre-recorded webinars?

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selfdisciplineacademy

8 years ago

Find great affiliate products to promote in the health niche.

You can do this through networks like clickbank

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SmartTim

8 years ago

Originally Posted by selfdisciplineacademy

Find great affiliate products to promote in the health niche.

You can do this through networks like clickbank

It is a good idea too. But Health niches do not sell great for me. Dating and weight loss products give me the most $. Health niches are very hard to convert. Visitors rarely buy the products as information can usually be searched on the Internet and visitors don't just buy health products on the Internet (because they fear of side effects after using those).

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kalki411

8 years ago

Originally Posted by SmartTim

It is a good idea too. But Health niches do not sell great for me. Dating and weight loss products give me the most $. Health niches are very hard to convert. Visitors rarely buy the products as information can usually be searched on the Internet and visitors don't just buy health products on the Internet (because they fear of side effects after using those).

Hey Tim,

You can't send traffic directly to offers to sell the higher ticket health products.

--1st sign them up to your list.

--sell them a tripwire offer.

THEN

--promote the higher ticket offer.

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dndoseller

8 years ago

The key is to run very small tests to make sure that your health niche product/blog solves a very specific problem that lots of people have. Go through forums and look for questions that get asked over and over again.

You can put up a quick one page landing page with some content and an email opt-in and then use adwords to test.

Keep testing until you hit on a topic that gets *immediate* high optins. Only then should you build a blog, make your own product, etc.

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kalki411

8 years ago

Originally Posted by dndoseller

The key is to run very small tests to make sure that your health niche product/blog solves a very specific problem that lots of people have. Go through forums and look for questions that get asked over and over again.

You can put up a quick one page landing page with some content and an email opt-in and then use adwords to test.

Keep testing until you hit on a topic that gets *immediate* high optins. Only then should you build a blog, make your own product, etc.

Thanks!

I AM planning on doing market testing first to find a good title for an optin instead of trying to optimize in a niche where there are no buyers.

All newbies should do this before jumping in... I wasted sooooo much money on promoting crappy niches back in the day.

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dndoseller

8 years ago

Originally Posted by kalki411

Thanks!

I AM planning on doing market testing first to find a good title for an optin instead of trying to optimize in a niche where there are no buyers.

All newbies should do this before jumping in... I wasted sooooo much money on promoting crappy niches back in the day.

Exactly, sooo important to test with the absolute minimum investment before building an entire site or blog, writing content, seo, etc.

If you can't get a couple of optins to a one page landing page using $10 on adwords, then its not a very hot niche.

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8 years ago

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Regional Warrior 8 years ago

Originally Posted by FunMakingMoney

Hi. Can you check out my landing page and what copywriting I need to improve on...

This is what you call a signature spammer so for all the newbies when you write a thread you will able to see what they look like

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greatness008

8 years ago

Maybe you should sit this one out mate.

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kalki411 8 years ago

Originally Posted by greatness008

Maybe you should sit this one out mate.

Talking to me (OP) or the spammer?
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ChrisBa

8 years ago

Originally Posted by kalki411

Hi my fellow (former warriors),

7 years ago I started doing internet marketing as an affiliate selling generic prescriptions...you know the ones... and after having minor success I quickly bounced around to all sorts of affiliate offers and ended up making around 4k a month with incentivized CPA offers.

I never had a great cash flow though, since I have two kids and a wife so I relied heavily on SEO back when it was easy to blackhat a site to the top. long story short, google tanked my sites and I lost 90% of my income and had to go get a real job.

Real Jobs suck. I have to work triple the hours to make the same amount of money from my affiliate days.

I want to come back and I want to build a list in the health niche.
I'd probably only be able to do $250 per month to invest.
I don't really want to make and market my own product.
What's the best way to do this these days?

I'm a good copywriter and landing page optimizer, but I just haven't found any products that look attractive to me. Almost all of them don't convert well on the back end, and I don't want to have to pay to find out.

What would you do if you were in my situation?

I'm willing to offer my help (for free) to anyone who needs help about copy/landing page optimization/ PPV/ Facebook ads.

It sounds like if you were to come back you would already be ahead of the game.
If I were you I'd give it a go.
There is a ton of money to be made online, why not get your piece of it?

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YourBizAid

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by kalki411

Hi my fellow (former warriors),

7 years ago I started doing internet marketing as an affiliate selling generic prescriptions...you know the ones... and after having minor success I quickly bounced around to all sorts of affiliate offers and ended up making around 4k a month with incentivized CPA offers.

I never had a great cash flow though, since I have two kids and a wife so I relied heavily on SEO back when it was easy to blackhat a site to the top. long story short, google tanked my sites and I lost 90% of my income and had to go get a real job.

Real Jobs suck. I have to work triple the hours to make the same amount of money from my affiliate days.

I want to come back and I want to build a list in the health niche.
I'd probably only be able to do $250 per month to invest.
I don't really want to make and market my own product.
What's the best way to do this these days?

I'm a good copywriter and landing page optimizer, but I just haven't found any products that look attractive to me. Almost all of them don't convert well on the back end, and I don't want to have to pay to find out.

What would you do if you were in my situation?

I'm willing to offer my help (for free) to anyone who needs help about copy/landing page optimization/ PPV/ Facebook ads.

Come join my staff if you're interested. I'm looking for talents...

K

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rakota

8 years ago

Originally Posted by kalki411

I appreciate the follow up Patrick. (Good ebook too.)

Kick ass content is important. And I can produce an OK volume of it.

Getting traffic (that converts profitably) is what I've struggled with. Some marketers really just have no problem getting massive free traffic, but not me.

I know I can get paid traffic to work after a testing period, (I've done it) but "ain't nobody got time for the testing"...

I'm trying to decide now if I should just build the list now with confidence that I'll monetize it down the road, because I've never been able to just throw money at a campaign and get a return on cash within 30 days.

I like health and I'm pretty knowledgeable with it. Same with marketing. I know everything that goes into building a brand, authority and all that jazz... But I'm lazy and don't have that much time to do the whole daily blogging thing.

I also know that straight affiliate marketing isn't going to work because offers come and go and campaigns die. And I don't want to have to keep up with constantly changing offers.

That's why building lead magnets and building campaigns around the lead magnets should work for me. If I can build and launch a lead magnet every 2 weeks that'll be great!

Then sending Facebook traffic should see me at around 25% CR for sign ups but that still sees me at a cost of roughly 4-8$ per email sign up.

With a 1% CR on the OTO we're looking at a minimum of $400 per conversion.

Wich would leave me with a total investment of $400 and a $50 commission or so.

Then if I pause the ads, will I really be able to make up the 350$.

Auto responder aside, let's say we get an open rate of 25% and a ctr of 4%! Then that means I would get 1 click per email blast.

Then it would take me 100 emails to then make my next $50 commission. (Assuming the CR on the offer is 1%)

These numbers could be improved a bit, but I must be missing something. Even if the CR was 10%, that still means that it would take 35 emails to make back my initial investment.

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by kalki411

Hey Kalki it's not the size of the list, it's the quality.

Very true, but if you read the last post I made, tell me what you think about those numbers.

Can you help me out with the math?

I think you can do better than 4-8 bucks a lead.

I cannot give you any data on paid traffic but a case study I have seen have had opt-ins for about a dollar a piece from FB ads, but that was after testing. (The case study ran for a month and the first opt-in came in for $24!!)

With your OTO converting at 1% yes that is going to take time to get back your investment so, you need to find something that converts better which is going to require testing. Sorry, if this appears to be stating the obvious.

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kalki411

8 years ago

Originally Posted by rakota

I think you can do better than 4-8 bucks a lead.

I cannot give you any data on paid traffic but a case study I have seen have had opt-ins for about a dollar a piece from FB ads, but that was after testing. (The case study ran for a month and the first opt-in came in for $24!!)

With your OTO converting at 1% yes that is going to take time to get back your investment so, you need to find something that converts better which is going to require testing. Sorry, if this appears to be stating the obvious.

Yeah, it's just going to take a while to get it right...

I have to view the first 2 months as a sunk cost...and keep my expectations in check.

When I first started I didn't really do any planning...but this time is going to be different.

I'm too lazy to search, but is there an accountability thread on here? (Where you warriors keep lazy people from slacking off?

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DWolfe 8 years ago

Originally Posted by kalki411

I'm too lazy to search, but is there an accountability thread on here? (Where you warriors keep lazy people from slacking off?

Yes.. but it was filled with a bunch of lazy slackers that did not hold anyone accountable and died due too lack of action

No there are not. But you should ask someone like your wife or close friend to keep you accountable.
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wlasikiewicz

8 years ago

COME BACK - join the party - its CHRISTMAS!!

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kalki411 8 years ago

Originally Posted by wlasikiewicz

COME BACK - join the party - its CHRISTMAS!!

You sound drunk. Holiday party?
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Shine2314

8 years ago

You should come back. Try your best.

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Getawab

8 years ago

You can do affiliate marketing.

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kalki411

8 years ago

Thanks guys!

Let's do this!

Anybody wanna team up? (not financially, just to get a chat going)

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Dilip Mane

8 years ago

Making your own product and marketing it always remains among the top of various online business models that you have today and it will be so in the future as well.

However, what you have decided as an objective of coming back is also one of the best strategies to go for i.e. list building. You already are well versed with landing pages and copy writing and so all you need is a traffic generation strategy in place.

There is always a chance to recreate your life at any stage of your life as long as you are determined enough and persistent enough for what you are determined for. So come back with a determination of not quitting again.

Apart from helping ourselves, our job is also to help others who need our expertise in one or the other way.

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StevenCash

8 years ago

Just my opinion but I believe the ability to carve out a living on the internet these days is much more difficult than 7 years ago. Yes, there are many more people to sell online to these days but the competition is much much steeper.

I myself am trying to stick it out for the time being, but I am also planning my walk away strategy lol.

I know I sound like a pessimist, but that is where my head is at this morning

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8 years ago

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8 years ago

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kalki411

8 years ago

Hi all.

Quick update: I ran a short test a while back and it flopped.

I haven't had the time to run another one because my consulting work has picked up. (Doubled...)

And I still feel like I don't have a good product. This is holding me back.

I WANT to come back, but I'm not taking action.

what are some small steps or tasks or deliverables that I could do in short amount of time that I could put together like building blocks?

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kilgore

8 years ago

Originally Posted by kalki411

Hi all.

Quick update: I ran a short test a while back and it flopped.

I haven't had the time to run another one because my consulting work has picked up. (Doubled...)

And I still feel like I don't have a good product. This is holding me back.

I WANT to come back, but I'm not taking action.

what are some small steps or tasks or deliverables that I could do in short amount of time that I could put together like building blocks?

Not to be rude, but at some point you have to take the time to figure it out for yourself.

You know your product better than anyone else here.
You know the vision of the business you'd like to create better than anyone else here.
You know your own self better than anyone else here -- what you're good at, what you're not so good at and what resources you can bring to the table (time, money, networks you can draw upon, etc.)

If it were me I'd simply spend some time thinking about what I wanted to do, brainstorming the steps that might get me there. In short, I'd develop a plan.

One thing I can guarantee won't get you there is asking a bunch of strangers on a public forum what you should do. You're likely to get 50 different and conflicting opinions, many of which are self-serving posts from people trying to sell you something.

All you're doing now is distracting yourself from what you probably know you have to do: the hard work of thinking, planning and implementing.

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kalki411

8 years ago

Hi all.

Quick update: I ran a short test a while back and it flopped.

I haven't had the time to run another one because my consulting work has picked up. (Doubled...)

And I still feel like I don't have a good product. This is holding me back.

I WANT to come back, but I'm not taking action.

what are some small steps or tasks or deliverables that I could do in short amount of time that I could put together like building blocks?

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lanserno

8 years ago

Originally Posted by kalki411

Hi all.

Quick update: I ran a short test a while back and it flopped.

I haven't had the time to run another one because my consulting work has picked up. (Doubled...)

And I still feel like I don't have a good product. This is holding me back.

I WANT to come back, but I'm not taking action.

what are some small steps or tasks or deliverables that I could do in short amount of time that I could put together like building blocks?

stop writing posts here and start some course that you can find for free... dont just read it .. take some action..

dont take it wrong

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SIDoss

8 years ago

$250 a month is a good investment. You can start building email lists and do affiliate marketing. You can start driving traffic with Facebook.

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junglekid

8 years ago

Facebook ads to build a list is the way to go now. Use Leadstunnel dot com to build your listt through Facebook ads and then email them your offers

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Tonny Robb

8 years ago

Hey man! You Absolutely should come back! Why not? Have a real job and do marketing online, that would be perfect, One of my mentor he were did that and now he is so successful. Affiliate would be great because it won't required a lot of capital. Good luck man!

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socialsite

8 years ago

I would say to build a website up again. You seem to already know how to make one. Make sure to capture a email list with your website and have both cpa and affiliate offers you can send to your list. Once you have a nice looking website then just drive traffic. Make a youtube channel and make videos daily to drive free traffic to your website.

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Sempeneh

8 years ago

lots have change in these past 5 years

whats working in 2011 ..maybe not working today

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8 years ago

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reachintan

8 years ago

It is never too late to come back. Especially, when you are aiming to make a lifetime residual monthly income with Internet Marketing, you are bound to encounter more failures than successes in short run. So, do not give up.

For a long-term guaranteed success, combine Blogging with Affiliate Marketing. To get you started instantly read this wonderful article How to Make Money Blogging - Guide for 2015 I recommend constantly to people starting with IM.

Do tell me if you need more guidance.

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quinn

8 years ago

If you are contemplating coming back, then you obviously have a passion for Internet Marketing. I think you should always follow your passions in life. It makes for much more exciting 9-5 life.

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ChrisBa

8 years ago

Originally Posted by kalki411

Hi my fellow (former warriors),

7 years ago I started doing internet marketing as an affiliate selling generic prescriptions...you know the ones... and after having minor success I quickly bounced around to all sorts of affiliate offers and ended up making around 4k a month with incentivized CPA offers.

I never had a great cash flow though, since I have two kids and a wife so I relied heavily on SEO back when it was easy to blackhat a site to the top. long story short, google tanked my sites and I lost 90% of my income and had to go get a real job.

Real Jobs suck. I have to work triple the hours to make the same amount of money from my affiliate days.

I want to come back and I want to build a list in the health niche.
I'd probably only be able to do $250 per month to invest.
I don't really want to make and market my own product.
What's the best way to do this these days?

I'm a good copywriter and landing page optimizer, but I just haven't found any products that look attractive to me. Almost all of them don't convert well on the back end, and I don't want to have to pay to find out.

What would you do if you were in my situation?

I'm willing to offer my help (for free) to anyone who needs help about copy/landing page optimization/ PPV/ Facebook ads.

Why not give it a go?
I wouldn't even ask, I would just dive in..

What have you got to lose?

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Brent Stangel

8 years ago

What would you do if you were in my situation?

Find a product to promote that people actually need. One with recurring commissions would be best.

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