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how 2 really get paid online (and get a date)

by esmarshall
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Ok i know theres alot of people who struggle to make money with this online stuff and im sure we've all been close to "bouncing" the computer off the floor

But since the playground no guy sells himself more than to have a chance with a girl he likes

so think of it like tryna get with a woman

you dont just go over there and place your hand her ass..you'll probably get a slap

so you approach her properly and you ask her permission to dance/buy a drink etc

if she agrees then you move into the next stage of building rapport and sharing abit about you and sell yourself in a positive light

If you do it all right then you might be able to get a number

this doesnt mean your sleeping with her or that you'll even see her again but its a point of contact

Then you wanna contact her (not too much where its weird or annoying and not too little she forgets about you)

now you wanna use this time to sell yourself, show your personality and help dispell any skepticism based on previous experiences, really standout from others(shes tight so shes got other offers)

show your generally interested (dont make everything about sex unless she wants too of course)


then casually float the idea of a second meet up and continue the process...if your still the person that she likes then things can progress

well why am i saying this...because selling is a very similar process




1) approach your prospect with something
they'd be interested

2) ask permission to make an offer(ask for an optin)

3) use follow up and inject some personality, show you care, to help stand out and develop more rapport

4)make an offer (if they dont buy repeat no.3)

5) continue to help your customer after the purchase and you'll have a long term customer

now obviously this doesnt work for every woman or prospect cause some people just wont want too and thats normal

nobody ever gets 100 percent anyway and if they say they do their full of s**t

but just put as much care into it like you would do for a woman you was tryna get with


Remember the steps and you'll start seeing results

Now pull your finger out and make it happem
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    There's also another way . . .


    Make yourself so incredibly attractive and enticing and instantly available that the ladies (your prospects) come to you first. They gotta have you . . . there's no time to wait for you to come calling!

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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Don't try too hard with the ugly ones though

      ....or just keep away from ad.fly entirely.
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      • Profile picture of the author vicg100
        I like this way to think about it hahah it really does relate. Also, just as there are many types of ladies out there, there are many different types of customers as well.

        The only thing is, while no one can truly understand women, we should understand our customers very very well.
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      • Profile picture of the author YourBizAid
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        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        Don't try too hard with the ugly ones though

        ....or just keep away from ad.fly entirely.
        LOL... That ad network sucked so bad I had to ask for a refund
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    The best approach would be to have other hotties refer you.

    Remember, referral traffic is the BEST traffic.

    Why?

    The people referring you CONFER SOME OF THEIR CREDIBILITY to your brand.

    People would rather act on advice from other people they trust.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesfranklyn9
    its crazy how eveybody has a different perspective of stuff, i never looked at it like that
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  • Profile picture of the author tomhunt88
    Great analogy, are you single?
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Lessard
    It is REALLY REALLY important to realize that though this mindset is peddled to death on here that this method absolutely does NOT generate the most income in the fastest fashion. It is actually probably one of the biggest reasons that droves of newbies come here and end up failing miserably always beating around the bush, never finding a hungry crowd and always trying to court folks that frankly have no interest in their offer.

    Does it work to an extent? yes. But huge money is made quickly ever day by just getting to the point and finding people that have a burning desire right now for what you offer.

    I was going to use your analogy but I can't without it sounding too rude lol
    so lets just say that if someone was on fire and you had a bucket of water for sale it would be absurd to first casually say "I have water" then ask their permission to tell them about the water, then maybe opt them in to learn about water then finally sell them a bit of water, hoping they may eventually want to to buy the whole bucket.

    I have landed HUGE deals by simply being Johnny on the spot and getting to the point. A company is used to spending 20k a month on seo, their guy totally pisses them off or screws up, they need the service, I say its 20k a month and they pay. No opt in, schoozing, long sales funnel, trying to convince them seo is good etc...

    Funny is when I look back at some of the biggest deals I have done the prospects came to me ready to buy because someone else had courted them like this basically educating them, but to the prospect that person had zero status because they came off as educators with nothing better to do, too much time on their hands. He was in the friend zone to use your analogy.
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    • Profile picture of the author esmarshall
      why would you ask me that?

      Originally Posted by tomhunt88 View Post

      Great analogy, are you single?


      [QUOTE=Peter Lessard;10452365] this method absolutely does NOT generate the most income in the fastest fashion. It is actually probably one of the biggest reasons that droves of newbies come here and end up failing miserably always beating around the bush, never finding a hungry crowd and always trying to court folks that frankly have no interest in their offer.

      Does it work to an extent? yes. But huge money is made quickly ever day by just getting to the point and finding people that have a burning desire right now for what you offer.

      I was going to use your analogy but I can't without it sounding too rude lol
      so lets just say that if someone was on fire and you had a bucket of water for sale it would be absurd to first casually say "I have water" then ask their permission to tell them about the water, then maybe opt them in to learn about water then finally sell them a bit of water, hoping they may eventually want to to buy the whole bucket.

      I have landed HUGE deals by simply being Johnny on the spot and getting to the point. A company is used to spending 20k a month on seo, their guy totally pisses them off or screws up, they need the service, I say its 20k a month and they pay. No opt in, schoozing, long sales funnel, trying to convince them seo is good etc...

      Funny is when I look back at some of the biggest deals I have done the prospects came to me ready to buy because someone else had courted them like this basically educating them, but to the prospect that person had zero status because they came off as educators with nothing better to do, too much time on their hands. He was in the friend zone to use your analogy.


      hahaha pete i see what you did there...good 1

      warriors should take note

      you see pete is trying to use the authority principle here,

      1) by talking about "huge deals"

      2) discredited what i said by more or less calling it the "old less efficient way"

      3) silly seo story

      4)cheap shot at the "educator"

      5) offering the newbie "real" help after being given bad advice


      now there will be a group of people who will buy in to petes noise and think hes a big deal

      well done pete


      haha....and pete thought he brought something new to the table...but the method you explained is a huge mental block for alot of people, speshly the guys who are "wet behind the ears"

      so i just shared a different perspective, not the fastest, best or even the most profitable....just "a way"
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        [quote=esmarshall;10452420]why would you ask me that?





        Originally Posted by Peter Lessard View Post

        this method absolutely dwoes NOT generate the most income in the fastest fashion. It is actually probably one of the biggest reasons that droves of newbies come here and end up failing miserably always beating around the bush, never finding a hungry crowd and always trying to court folks that frankly have no interest in their offer.

        Does it work to an extent? yes. But huge money is made quickly ever day by just getting to the point and finding people that have a burning desire right now for what you offer.

        I was going to use your analogy but I can't without it sounding too rude lol
        so lets just say that if someone was on fire and you had a bucket of water for sale it would be absurd to first casually say "I have water" then ask their permission to tell them about the water, then maybe opt them in to learn about water then finally sell them a bit of water, hoping they may eventually want to to buy the whole bucket.

        I have landed HUGE deals by simply being Johnny on the spot and getting to the point. A company is used to spending 20k a month on seo, their guy totally pisses them off or screws up, they need the service, I say its 20k a month and they pay. No opt in, schoozing, long sales funnel, trying to convince them seo is good etc...

        Funny is when I look back at some of the biggest deals I have done the prospects came to me ready to buy because someone else had courted them like this basically educating them, but to the prospect that person had zero status because they came off as educators with nothing better to do, too much time on their hands. He was in the friend zone to use your analogy.


        hahaha pete i see what you did there...good 1

        warriors should take note

        you see pete is trying to use the authority principle here,

        1) by talking about "huge deals"

        2) discredited what i said by more or less calling it the "old less efficient way"

        3) silly seo story

        4)cheap shot at the "educator"

        5) offering the newbie "real" help after being given bad advice


        now there will be a group of people who will buy in to petes noise and think hes a big deal

        well done pete


        haha....and pete thought he brought something new to the table...but the method you explained is a huge mental block for alot of people, speshly the guys who are "wet behind the ears"

        so i just shared a different perspective, not the fastest, best or even the most profitable....just "a way"



        Pete just shared a different perspective too, albeit with a few potshots.

        There will be people who agree with him as you state.

        It doesn't make his point of view less credible just because you don't like it.

        Both yours and his are trying to portray authorative viewpoints and both (I think) have valid points.

        When you encounter someone who you see as rude, it's usually best not to report to be doubly rude in reply.

        The biggest problem I've seen for a while now, is people here taking themselves way too seriously.


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      • Profile picture of the author Peter Lessard
        Originally Posted by Peter Lessard View Post



        hahaha pete i see what you did there...good 1

        warriors should take note

        you see pete is trying to use the authority principle here,

        1) by talking about "huge deals"

        2) discredited what i said by more or less calling it the "old less efficient way"

        3) silly seo story

        4)cheap shot at the "educator"

        5) offering the newbie "real" help after being given bad advice


        now there will be a group of people who will buy in to petes noise and think hes a big deal

        well done pete


        haha....and pete thought he brought something new to the table...but the method you explained is a huge mental block for alot of people, speshly the guys who are "wet behind the ears"

        so i just shared a different perspective, not the fastest, best or even the most profitable....just "a way"

        damn it esmarshall, I SOOO wanted to have people think I was a big deal ;-)

        that's the problem with this site, everybody thinks there is some angle ;-)
        I have nothing for sale lol, nor do I care if people think I am a big deal (ok thats not true why else would I make my head so shiny), but I do hate to see folks broke after 2 years of what they were sold as viable effort.

        I meant no disrespect to you. I said it can work to an extent. This is however a forum of debate, opinion and experience sharing. I have been selling full time my entire career for myself and for very successful companies and I have not often seen anyone broke that just day in and day out tries to sell something of value in a very direct way to folks that need it. Once they are proven buyers at some level, put them in a list and sell to them forever for sure.

        It is still fair to say that by contrast you can read thread after thread on her of folks that have spent years with funnels, auto-responders, and engaging in free education and have made less money than a guy that would just walk around the block, find a roof that looks rough or a driveway that needs sealing and say "hey want me to fix your problem". You can apply the same principles online.

        Also generally the number one thing new people need to learn is direct sales, facing rejection, rebuttals etc.. but these passive slow as you go systems of being afraid to actually ask for what you want often let folks hide away from what would benefit them most. Best training for IM? go sell door to door and get good at it or work in a phone room dialing cold calls. Once you realize sales is numbers, stop being afraid of rejection and learn that finding buyers that want what you have (or you can convince them they want it), then you are on the right track. Now build automated systems (as automated as possible anyway) to accomplish the same.

        A simple example.
        Build complex funnels and relationships and educate trying to sell SEO. Oh crap you hated the silly SEO example ;-) Ok, selling Facebook marketing. You now spend your days trying to convince folks facebook marketing can work, how it works, they should buy it because your a great guy, because they should trust you after all you have been engaging in so much relationship building etc... OR Go to google and put in quotes "needed facebook marketer" and guess what, folks easily found BEGGING for you to work for them. No need to explain what FB is and if it is a good idea, very little relationship needed, maybe a bit of social proof and a reference or two.

        Also as far as "buying in" I don't sell IM products lol, no coaching I ONLY work offline with bricks and mortar business and corporations that are selling a product in need to a group that want it.

        Also when it comes to making money nothing "new needs to be brought to the table" nor did I claim I had some whiz bang method lol.
        Sales is easy. Have value, selling to those that are ACTIVELY searching for it.

        So again yes your method can work but if I wanted money this week, and often substantial money I would figure out what I want to deliver and find folks that need it right now and don't need explained to them what the product is.
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  • Profile picture of the author esmarshall
    Didnt say pete was the wrong way...infact i agree with what he was saying...hes thinking on "specialist" wavelength
    which is good, that where the money is, but he tried to get "cute" *pause* and start taking shots to make himself look like the real deal (authority principle)

    but as i mentioned at the start of the post it was for a specific group...who probably dont understand the mindset between "educators" n "specialists" and probably aint trying to, they just wanna make any kind of breakthrough

    If started telling them they could be making 10,30,100k regardless of experience but just by speaking to the right people...they'd hear it but alot find it hard to follow (speaking from previous experiences) cause people are generally conditioned "to work there way up"

    I work in offline too with cosmetic surgeons...theres bigger money there with less graft and less "peter lessards" lol

    P.s you always need an angle otherwise you cant make any money....theres nothing "new" being shared....just retold

    anyway

    Have a merry christmas you filthy animals
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by esmarshall View Post

      I work in offline too with cosmetic surgeons...theres bigger money there with less graft and less "peter lessards" lol

      P.s you always need an angle otherwise you cant make any money....theres nothing "new" being shared....just retold
      People who supply to demand?

      I think that no-one needs an angle.

      They need the right arrow and target.
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