How long should it take to build a web site when content is already done?

10 years ago

I would have had this site done for you in about 3 hours or less.

I believe you were going to wordpress?

Should be done.

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agmccall 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

I would have had this site done for you in about 3 hours or less.

I believe you were going to wordpress?

Should be done.

I agree with Jill, if the content is done you should have a site up and running in a few hours. And, this includes installing WP, Installing and activating necessary plugins, and inputting content.

You might need a bit more time to fine tune the design aspects, such as logo and colors, but other than that a few hours is all it will take.

If you do not know how to install and use WP it might be a bit longer, but no longer than a day

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Alex The Lion

10 years ago

I would suggest contacting him with a refund request or the option to negotiate a specific contract and deadline to finish the project.

While it doesn't help much in this scenario, I suggest in future and for all other projects, always specify a deadline and designate milestones for projects.

As Jill said, from what I can gather, this shouldn't take long to build.

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Key Seek

10 years ago

Thank you guys. I sent several text messages to him, unanswered.

I am not doing anything until after Christmas. After that I am driving to his house and collecting personally, or I may send my debt collector.

I really hate having to get ugly, but I cannot allow him to scam me.

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04real

10 years ago

I agree with everyone. I've made websites in an hour, with content done. Wp setup takes minutes as long as the domain is already pointing to the server. If you're buying a template setting that up is another few minutes. The only thing that will take up time is a fully customized template and graphics.

Definitely one day should be the max. That is unless your designer is busy with other stuff, they should've managed your expectations properly and given you an idea what to expect as far as timeframe goes for your project.

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Key Seek 10 years ago

He is not using word press I think it is a custom template, but I could be wrong.

I will wait until after Christmas then drive over and take what I need. For $250 I will not hurt him very bad, but I will ruffle his feathers.
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writeaway

10 years ago

Wow $1300? You may have WAY overpaid.

Unless this dude is the Edgar Degas of UI and UIX Conversions, $1300 is quite a bit especially if this is a WP theme modification job.

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anayb

10 years ago

Originally Posted by writeaway

Wow $1300? You may have WAY overpaid.

Unless this dude is the Edgar Degas of UI and UIX Conversions, $1300 is quite a bit especially if this is a WP theme modification job.

You guys are really cheap! setting up a wp site is not even close to custom web development and designs. I hear people cry here for traffic all the time, mostly because they rely too much on wordpress--which is basically a buggy, faulty cms that is of no use to what is relating to web traffic, of course, you need to do off-page seo but on-page seo is what major media companies heavily rely on. Proof? they never try to build backlinks the way you do, instead they offer quality content. Anyway, get back to our main topic, if wordpress were too good then CNN were based on wp. Last year, CNN re-designed its main site, and they spent millions in front-end alone. You guys cry on hearing spending just $1300 for a whole site. He mentioned it could be custom development. People here say that they have set a site in minutes and it sounds magical, right? What about success? none, right. Why? because you spend your time setting up wp sites in minutes like most of us do, and not on value. What is the main purpose of setting up a site? traffic and building user base, right? if it's your sole goal then try to be unique and add value. I am a programmer, for the last three years I have been building a technology, a cms, that contains all the features that any media house can offer. Yes, three years, and it is not completed yet, and I have not made any money from it. But, once I launch it I can compete against any top notch sites on the web in terms of technicalities. My success, however, ultimate depends on my ad budget and content, but there is a chance. But, people with wordpress have no chance. Please note, I am not talking about earning pennies. My advise is spend time on custom web development and try to be unique. Please do not ever advise someone who is trying to build something good to go cheap like you. I am open to any criticism if I hurt your ego, but it is the only path to success; spending time on technology before thinking about making money on the web nowadays.

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onSubie

10 years ago

Originally Posted by anayb

I am open to any criticism if I hurt your ego, but it is the only path to success; spending time on technology before thinking about making money on the web nowadays.

The problem for the OP is not the price, it's that the designer has not delivered and is not replying to communications.

Whether you pay $10 or $10,000, when you hire someone you expect professionalism, communication and delivery.

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anayb

10 years ago

Originally Posted by onSubie

The problem for the OP is not the price, it's that the designer has not delivered and is not replying to communications.

Whether you pay $10 or $10,000, when you hire someone you expect professionalism, communication and delivery.

Yes, it is, but you failed to notice that I were addressing someone else's advice in quotes.

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Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by anayb

You guys are really cheap! setting up a wp site is not even close to custom web development and designs. I hear people cry here for traffic all the time, mostly because they rely too much on wordpress--which is basically a buggy, faulty cms that is of no use to what is relating to web traffic, of course, you need to do off-page seo but on-page seo is what major media companies heavily rely on. Proof? they never try to build backlinks the way you do, instead they offer quality content. Anyway, get back to our main topic, if wordpress were too good then CNN were based on wp. Last year, CNN re-designed its main site, and they spent millions in front-end alone. You guys cry on hearing spending just $1300 for a whole site. He mentioned it could be custom development. People here say that they have set a site in minutes and it sounds magical, right? What about success? none, right. Why? because you spend your time setting up wp sites in minutes like most of us do, and not on value. What is the main purpose of setting up a site? traffic and building user base, right? if it's your sole goal then try to be unique and add value. I am a programmer, for the last three years I have been building a technology, a cms, that contains all the features that any media house can offer. Yes, three years, and it is not completed yet, and I have not made any money from it. But, once I launch it I can compete against any top notch sites on the web in terms of technicalities. My success, however, ultimate depends on my ad budget and content, but there is a chance. But, people with wordpress have no chance. Please note, I am not talking about earning pennies. My advise is spend time on custom web development and try to be unique. Please do not ever advise someone who is trying to build something good to go cheap like you. I am open to any criticism if I hurt your ego, but it is the only path to success; spending time on technology before thinking about making money on the web nowadays.

Man, I like this guy! Maybe it spans from my love for controversial people 🤓

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agmccall

10 years ago

Originally Posted by anayb

You guys are really cheap! setting up a wp site is not even close to custom web development and designs. I hear people cry here for traffic all the time, mostly because they rely too much on wordpress--which is basically a buggy, faulty cms that is of no use to what is relating to web traffic, of course, you need to do off-page seo but on-page seo is what major media companies heavily rely on. Proof? they never try to build backlinks the way you do, instead they offer quality content. Anyway, get back to our main topic, if wordpress were too good then CNN were based on wp. Last year, CNN re-designed its main site, and they spent millions in front-end alone. You guys cry on hearing spending just $1300 for a whole site. He mentioned it could be custom development. People here say that they have set a site in minutes and it sounds magical, right? What about success? none, right. Why? because you spend your time setting up wp sites in minutes like most of us do, and not on value. What is the main purpose of setting up a site? traffic and building user base, right? if it's your sole goal then try to be unique and add value. I am a programmer, for the last three years I have been building a technology, a cms, that contains all the features that any media house can offer. Yes, three years, and it is not completed yet, and I have not made any money from it. But, once I launch it I can compete against any top notch sites on the web in terms of technicalities. My success, however, ultimate depends on my ad budget and content, but there is a chance. But, people with wordpress have no chance. Please note, I am not talking about earning pennies. My advise is spend time on custom web development and try to be unique. Please do not ever advise someone who is trying to build something good to go cheap like you. I am open to any criticism if I hurt your ego, but it is the only path to success; spending time on technology before thinking about making money on the web nowadays.

Notice the quote in red. This says it all. Most of the time, unless you are in need of a ecommerce site with lots of functionality, or you want a serious news site, there is no need for a web development firm in the first place. A simple WP site will suit the needs of most of the people on this forum.

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Jill Carpenter

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Key Seek

Thank you, everyone. It is a custom template, not wordpress. I sent 3 texts yesterday and he answered back 20 hours later, this morning.

I just want him to finish. I do NOT want to have to kick his door in.

I am just going to forget about it for a couple of days and enjoy Christmas. Jill, you have seen my current site, how successful could you be using wordpress?

Others, what are the limitations of wordpress vs a custom template?

Merry Christmas, everyone.

The basic function of wordpress is to give one a way to have massive control over a site without needing a programming degree. The themes employed can be custom created or nice canned themes can be modified.

The whole point is to get the flipping site up and get it making money asap. There are always going to be things to do to improve on the site. But a good mass chunk can get you on the grid quickly. The sooner the site is up, the sooner you can work on driving traffic, increasing conversions, and testing testing testing.

Originally Posted by anayb

You guys are really cheap! setting up a wp site is not even close to custom web development and designs.

You're a programmer. I get it. But you don't have a CLUE IMO about how powerful that little CMS really is.

http://www.wpbeginner.com/showcase/4...ing-wordpress/

I'm sure you've been pouring your heart into making your own little cms. That's fine. But don't be tossing out generalizations that people building on a wp platform don't stand a chance to make money from it - or that only people with a real big business won't touch it.

Get over yourself.

You want to tell me those companies are only making pennies? I think you've been in your programming cubicle a bit too long.

Wordpress isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Like I said, if content is ready to go then the basic set up and launch of that site would have been done a day after OP first made his appearance on this forum. Would it need tweeks? Of course - but I'm confident what ever he is having done now is also going to need some tweeks. Difference is he may be waiting another 3-4 weeks every time he needs something changed. He could be taught some basic WP management skills within a few hours and be able to update stuff on his own in a pinch.

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Kay King

10 years ago

Here's the thing - YOU chose this person and now you are bugging him with 5 calls - 3 texts a day, etc. What was the EXPECTED completion date? When is the next payment due?

Could he be waiting for another payment? You posted you were bartering some lessons for part of the payment - have you done that or is that off the table?

It's been three weeks since you mentioned hiring someone - you had some good advice here - and some not so great. I don't understand why you need to contact this person so frequently unless you are way past a deadline that was previously set.

You have posted you don't know how to do this yourself - so you don't know how to judge what it takes (time or otherwise) to do it right.

I won't try to tell you how long it might take. I don't know how complex the site is - what your requirements are - or know the skills/schedule of the person you hired.

Next time you contact him simply ask WHEN you can expect the finished site and WHAT you can do to help get that done.

Also, when you do talk to the designer...LISTEN to him rather talking at him incessantly. In the previous thread - you were consistently posting in one direction and then in another. Don't throw word salad at your designer.

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Key Seek

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Here's the thing - YOU chose this person and now you are bugging him with 5 calls - 3 texts a day, etc. What was the EXPECTED completion date? When is the next payment due?

Could he be waiting for another payment? You posted you were bartering some lessons for part of the payment - have you done that or is that off the table?

It's been three weeks since you mentioned hiring someone - you had some good advice here - and some not so great. I don't understand why you need to contact this person so frequently unless you are way past a deadline that was previously set.

You have posted you don't know how to do this yourself - so you don't know how to judge what it takes (time or otherwise) to do it right.

I won't try to tell you how long it might take. I don't know how complex the site is - what your requirements are - or know the skills/schedule of the person you hired.

Next time you contact him simply ask WHEN you can expect the finished site and WHAT you can do to help get that done.

Also, when you do talk to the designer...LISTEN to him rather talking at him incessantly. In the previous thread - you were consistently posting in one direction and then in another. Don't throw word salad at your designer.

You must have misread. I went 12 days without texting or making a call. I texted twice, and he did not respond. The next day I called and texted. No response. The next day I called, using my wife's number and he called back (not knowing it was me) five minutes later.

That is 3 texts and 2 calls over 2 weeks. Only once did he answer because he did not recognize my wife's number. I have no idea what you mean by word salad. The content is extremely well written and structured. I used to write and grade papers for a living. I have a PhD from a good school. I write well, and more importantly I do 5-6 revisions. What do you mean by posting in different directions? Are you saying that my posting on a forum sends him conflicting messages?

He has never been on this forum.

He said he would have a demo for me. I never got a demo. He has offered some pages to give me an idea of what he is doing. I received nothing. He said the work would be completed 2 days ago. I guess I am wrong for thinking he actually might deliver on his promise, what a concept. Why is it wrong to call and text if someone misses a deadline?

He never gave any explanation. He never told me it would be more than 2 weeks. At 2 weeks he said he would be ready in a week.

Why do you think me unreasonable? He is clearly choosing not to respond to me. When he wants something from me he always calls back w/in an hour.

Yes, I called and texted again. Apparently, you think it is fine to keep someone in the dark, ignore questions, refuse to explain what is going on.

If he said "hey man, this is a complicated and time consuming process and might take more than a month" I would have been 100% OK.

I could have waited, or more likely hired someone from this forum. There are at least 3 people here I would have hired had I not been duped. I bet the people here would have at least responded to my inquiries.

Finally, how did you conclude that I am phoning him and talking incessantly? He has not answered the phone.

Let me explain how phones work: First you put in their number and call them. However, they have to pick up their phone, otherwise there is no conversation. You see, if he does not answer it is impossible for my to talk incessantly.

Do you treat your clients this way?

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anayb

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

http://www.wpbeginner.com/showcase/4...ing-wordpress/

You want to tell me those companies are only making pennies? I think you've been in your programming cubicle a bit too long.

My dear Jill, the companies you have pointed out in your link only use/leverage wordpress VIP service, which is basically a fully managed SaaS Hosting--NOT wordpress CMS. Got my point? These dominating media companies need sophisticated technology and infrastructure in order to run their huge sites; for example, they use more than one programming languages ranging from php to java while wordpress cms solely rely on php legacy code. Legacy means outdated code. Their websites are intelligent because they use AI (artificial intelligent). PHP is not a very good candidate for AI. We need python and java for that. There are thousands of parameters to consider if you want to grow and maintain your large user base. If you want to set a site for minimum efforts, it is perfectly alight as per your end goals. It is not wrong to use wordpress for your business, but when I hear people here craving for millions without a sophisticated site I feel very pity for them. Bottom line: with wordpress it is unlikely you earn millions.

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Jill Carpenter

10 years ago

Originally Posted by anayb

My dear Jill, the companies you have pointed out in your link only use/leverage wordpress VIP service, which is basically a fully managed SaaS Hosting--NOT wordpress CMS. Got my point?

I think some regular cms is in this list:

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But you have to consider what is more important at this point. What would be more helpful is for OP to get the site up. Period.

If he starts getting some crazy influx of traffic, then yes - he can go ahead and then pay lots of money for some custom coding and programming. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with kicking off with a good old wp blog and working that traffic up to 100k a month.

His current programmer is really a DENTAL STUDENT. He's not likely going to be there for the long haul - let's say 6 years from now when he has his own practice up and running.

My friend is a really smart guy. He could do this type of work for a living, most likely, except he wants to be a dentist. As a freshman in High School he made quite a bit of money hacking the schools system to change final grades. That impressed me. Zing.

Hacking into school systems and designing/coding sites for online marketing purposes is 2 completely different things.

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anayb 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

I think some regular cms is in this list:

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Who is this onlineincometeacher? You think he/she knows these sites' intricate business practices and authentic stats about their daily/monthly revenue? You may never know it for sure unless you are a stakeholder with them. You people sounds building a true internet business is so easy and can be done with a simple opt-in page and email auto-responder. In fact, it is not. Sorry, if I burst your bubble.
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10 years ago

Originally Posted by anayb

You guys are really cheap! setting up a wp site is not even close to custom web development and designs. I hear people cry here for traffic all the time, mostly because they rely too much on wordpress--which is basically a buggy, faulty cms that is of no use to what is relating to web traffic, of course, you need to do off-page seo but on-page seo is what major media companies heavily rely on. Proof? they never try to build backlinks the way you do, instead they offer quality content. Anyway, get back to our main topic, if wordpress were too good then CNN were based on wp. Last year, CNN re-designed its main site, and they spent millions in front-end alone. You guys cry on hearing spending just $1300 for a whole site. He mentioned it could be custom development. People here say that they have set a site in minutes and it sounds magical, right? What about success? none, right. Why? because you spend your time setting up wp sites in minutes like most of us do, and not on value. What is the main purpose of setting up a site? traffic and building user base, right? if it's your sole goal then try to be unique and add value. I am a programmer, for the last three years I have been building a technology, a cms, that contains all the features that any media house can offer. Yes, three years, and it is not completed yet, and I have not made any money from it. But, once I launch it I can compete against any top notch sites on the web in terms of technicalities. My success, however, ultimate depends on my ad budget and content, but there is a chance. But, people with wordpress have no chance. Please note, I am not talking about earning pennies. My advise is spend time on custom web development and try to be unique. Please do not ever advise someone who is trying to build something good to go cheap like you. I am open to any criticism if I hurt your ego, but it is the only path to success; spending time on technology before thinking about making money on the web nowadays.

I gotta hand it to you - you say what you feel, (and that's good). Although, I can find websites that are ranking for competitive keywords ALL DAY LONG that are powered by WordPress. But I don't want to steal your thunder - or otherwise discourage you. I admire you for being driven!

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Key Seek

10 years ago

Awesome advice, from everyone. Anayb, you have probably saved me from doing something drastic.

It is a custom site. However, as others have mentioned, even if he is legitimately working there is no excuse for not replying to my text's phone calls.

I was going to show up at his apartment the day after Christmas, But I will instead give him a few more days.

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10 years ago

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Key Seek

10 years ago

Thank you, everyone. It is a custom template, not wordpress. I sent 3 texts yesterday and he answered back 20 hours later, this morning.

I just want him to finish. I do NOT want to have to kick his door in.

I am just going to forget about it for a couple of days and enjoy Christmas. Jill, you have seen my current site, how successful could you be using wordpress?

Others, what are the limitations of wordpress vs a custom template?

Merry Christmas, everyone.

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greatness008

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Key Seek

Thank you, everyone. It is a custom template, not wordpress. I sent 3 texts yesterday and he answered back 20 hours later, this morning.

I just want him to finish. I do NOT want to have to kick his door in.

I am just going to forget about it for a couple of days and enjoy Christmas. Jill, you have seen my current site, how successful could you be using wordpress?

Others, what are the limitations of wordpress vs a custom template?

Merry Christmas, everyone.

Be patient with the guy. He sounds like he is building you a sweet site. Custom coded site is most certainly the better route, albeit more expensive. However, a WP site when customized enough can look pretty darn awesome. So, if it is indeed a custom coded site, then give her some time and see what develops. Just don't kick the poor guy's door down cause he's a couple days late lol. Hope that helps Warrior.

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Brent Stangel

10 years ago

But, people with wordpress have no chance.

This is nonsense.

For small to medium sized businesses, WP is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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mrvendi60

10 years ago

It fully depends on your work. If you want to complete this work urgently, you can do really at a few time on the other hand if you wish to upload at a slow process, you can do this also. Thanks.

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Jill Carpenter

10 years ago

Originally Posted by anayb

You people sounds building a true internet business is so easy and can be done with a simple opt-in page and email auto-responder. In fact, it is not. Sorry, if I burst your bubble.

Depends on what the business is - but actually it can be as simple as that for some (to get started at least).

What you've described is used as a simple membership remedy for some.

(looks around, all bubbles in tact)

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Key Seek

10 years ago

Sorry for the mean post, Kay, but it is the lack of response from him that is most upsetting. Thank you, and everyone else for their input.

I am just going to put the whole thing behind me, as I have a history of violence. Today, my code is to be kind, loving and tolerant. Sorry to get all touchy feely-weird but it is very important for me to not put my hands on another person unless it is a hug.

It certainly is not wise to go to jail over $250. I am just frustrated over the lack of communication.

So, here is my plan: If he comes through, he comes through. I will wait for 10 more days. Then, I am going to explore WP. I should have done so from the beginning, Weebly was a bad choice.

Jill, should I build the AP site myself or should I hire someone? You are one of the 3 people I was interested in.

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Jill Carpenter

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Key Seek

So, here is my plan: If he comes through, he comes through. I will wait for 10 more days. Then, I am going to explore WP. I should have done so from the beginning, Weebly was a bad choice.

Jill, should I build the AP site myself or should I hire someone? You are one of the 3 people I was interested in.

Wait it out your 10 days if you are firm with that. That pushes your site to Monday Jan 4th.

I'd send your friend that deadline. He's gotta be on a holiday break right now, no? That should be more than ample time for something to be finished. But be sure to clarify with him that he can meet the deadline. I'd hate to see you completely lose someone who you might have other things to keep a friendship going on with.

Will send you a PM as to some other things.

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anayb 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Key Seek

Jill, should I build the AP site myself or should I hire someone? You are one of the 3 people I was interested in.

Hi Key, if you need a website or blog very urgently, then you can use the source code of this site: demowebsites.esy.es, I built it a couple of years ago. Its a simple, but effective custom php solution for small to mid-size businesses. You do not need to hire me. I can get you up and running in a while. If you got articles, then its fine. There is in-built rooms for ad spaces. Just let me know.
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JustinLee720

10 years ago

ya if the content was done it. it should have taken no longer than a day, it could have been done it just a couple of hours

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Augustinus

10 years ago

Speak with him , he should be honest if he is not able to finish it if he have all materials and specification it should be done weeks ago

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Key Seek

10 years ago

OMFG!!!

He just sent me a Merry Christmas text!!!

It's official, I am an idiot.

Obviously I am not going to pester him. He was wrong for his lack of communication, but that text makes up for everything. Well, he is still unprofessional, but I am no longer angry for him ignoring me. If it gets done, it gets done, if not....

Even if he does not deliver, I will never lay a finger on him. $250 is no big deal. I actually did some volunteer work today, and there are a lot of people with worse problems than me. I am crying about a delayed project, they are sleeping under a bridge.

Did I say I was an idiot?

And he may possibly complete a good sight. Either way I am done obsessing on it.
Thanks everyone for the help, and again, Merry Christmas.

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hamza5807

10 years ago

well you don't need any HTML or any CSS knowledge just go the website called wix.com and you can make a website very easily !!!

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GaryGG

10 years ago

I'll do the web designing for $200

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Curtis2011

10 years ago

When I outsource projects, I generally ask the person to complete the project in about 10% less time than I actually expect the project will take. Then, I assume that they will actually take 50% longer than the time limit that I gave them to complete it in.

This is because people who freelance for a living often have things come up that get in the way of holding a tight schedule.

If you outsource a lot and expect things to always be on time, you will be disappointed quite often.

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Randall Magwood

10 years ago

Hold him accountable. Did any documents get signed? If not, be a demon and become his worst nightmare until he does the job immediately, or if the agreement becomes null and void.

And no.... i am not a lawyer, or acting on the behalf of one.

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

I'd refund the money just so you would stop calling & go away.

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Key Seek 10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I'd refund the money just so you would stop calling & go away.

LOL

I am texting him naked pictures of me.
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yetitrailadventure

10 years ago

Genuine information. Thank you.

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