As I go into this Online Income World...

That was exactly my point. Too many people in the IM scene who drank the cool-aid repeat stupid things like that. Like you shouldn't want to make a lot of money, you should instead focus on what you like and the money will follow...

It seems they are stuck in the beginning stages of being brainwashed by Tony Robbins and his clones. The whole IM scene is saturated with those "pseudo-wisdoms".

How about some common sense instead? How about understanding that just because someone says something that sounds nice and uplifting, doesn't mean it's true?

There are a lot of things you may like or be really good at (hence my sleeping and eating pizza examples) that you'll never be able to monetize no matter how passionate you are about them.

And it's not only my opinion, in case you will only believe me if some authority backs me up. There are plenty of authors who said the same thing (perhaps someone will chime in with their names).

Their advice is totally the opposite: forget about your passion, start doing something that can make money. And when you get really good at it, you'll start enjoying it and it Will become your passion.

Problem is, most people will never get really good at something, will never be the Michael Jordan of their occupation (forget Michael Jordan, they will never even be a Kwame Brown). So they choose instead to listen (and repeat) the stupid "follow your passion and the money will come" mantra.

Do you understand my point now?

Edit: My first post was an attempt at sarcasm. Wasn't a very good one, it appears, or, another possible explanation, you are German.

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Are you getting upset? Come on, You started this, not me. You said I was rambling, I had no point, etc. I didn't attack you first, and my sarcasm wasn't even directed at you, for crying out loud.

So here's another actionable advice: you need to be more thick-skinned if you want to make it in business.

Moving on...

You said you alrady asked me a couple of specific questions that I didn't answer. Well, being a polite guy that I am and being willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, I went back to see whether it was me who was having memory problems... Appears it was not. I really don't see any specific questions that you asked me in previous posts that I failed to answer.

So, let's move on to the questions you asked in This post.

What is it that I do? I want to say none of your business, cause it really isn't, but I'm afraid you'll get upset again. So I'll go ahead and tell you the truth: I do coaching. Really high-level, expensive, one-on-one coaching. The opposite of what IM gurus do, selling their guru wisdom to the masses for $69.99, or whatever it is they charge.

When did I get started? A few years back. Instead of going the typical route that IM people usually choose, I actually spent 10+ years developing skills that would be in demand and allow me to sell my services without any tricky gimmicks.

I spent 10+ years learning, improving stuff I learned, coming up with my own stuff, testing it, and so on... And only then did I start selling my services. Not through lists, social media, affiliates deals and so on. No, I did it one-on-one, through plain old-school selling. I don't need to have a huge sales funnel online, to have thousands of people on my list.

When I coach people, one of the conditions in my upfront contract is that they bring me at least 4 referrals, each of whom is at their level or higher in terms of income. Out of these referrals, about a third become clients. And that's how it works, I'm having the same workload year after year but moving higher and higher in terms of income.

That's, btw, another actionable advice you will probably ignore. Learning to sell well is a huge plus. And not from typical Tony Robbins and Tom Hopkins type bs artists. You have to figure out how to filter out all that nonsense. There are a couple of selling systems that are based in real world and not bs marketing, and if you learn one of those, you have a huge advantage. Not only in business, but in real life, too. You sell all the time, in the broad sense of this word.

Another question you asked is, "How much money have you made online to this day?"

Again, none of your business comes to mind, but remember? - I don't want to get you upset again.

The real problem is, this question is stupid. No matter what I say you may choose not to believe me. And there's no way to prove that I'm tellign the truth, even if I had any inclination to do so.

Btw, do you think this question would ever get an honest answer in the IM scene? If your answer is Yes, then another actionable advice would be to work on developing your bs detector. It's like with girls (where you have to divide the number of guys she slept with by at least 3). Well, in the IM scene you probably have to divide by at least 10 or 20.

Back to your question, about how much money I made online.

I don't really separate what I make into online and offline income, it's almost impossible to do. So let's say, since I don't do all the usual whatever-is-popular-now IM "strategies", that none of my income can truly be considered 100% online. Sure, I communicate with my clients through email, sure I have a couple of sites, and I do use Skype. So, technically that's "online". But, like I said, I don't do the usual IM stuff, so asking about how much you made online in my case would be the same as asking how much money you made over the telephone.

So, to sum up, even though I made a lot of money doing what I do, I can say that I made zero online. Just so that you can feel better.

So there you go, I think I answered all your specific questions, and even provided some actionable advice (get a thick skin, learn to sell well, and most importantly, start working on your bs detector, you are really gonna need it in IM scene).

As for your threat to ignore me, my natural inclination right now is to tell you how really frightened of that I am and to beg you to reconsider, but I won't do that... because I remember how sensitive to sarcasm you are. So, do whatever you want to do.

This is a open forum and if you do not like the answers use the search tab !! you come on here sprouting you want to learn but the questions are more like " how long a bit of string" type questions!!

So here is a question for you
Have you read the rules? because if you had maybe this thread would be in the off topic and not the main board

I will say one thing that the others have not ! learn one thing get good at it and become an authority on it , help others and your cred goes up

I will also ad that the way you act online goes a long way ! so by ignoring a potential customer is not the best start as you learn you will use your Signature to sell your own service so be very careful because if you piss off a Warrior you loose money.
Jason

Hey,shaunybb!

Thanks for the reply!

How exactly do I perform the actions you recommended?

-Being myself is obviously very easy

-Build authority,not so much,how do I build authority?

-Not focusing exclusively on the money,got it!

-Putting the customer first,got it!

-How can I help people?I guess you mean the product/service I will provide is valuable & useful to my

customers,right?

What I find more challenging,is actually getting the customers to whom I will help first.

Any recommendations on this?

Thanks again & see you around!

Jay, this is priceless stuff. Thanks for sharing.

- Pat

Hey,jaysolution!

Thanks for the reply!

I appreciate all of your comments & will take note of them to apply the online business principles.

Thanks again & see you around!