Outsourcing...Does anyone here do it

by ex9to5guy 22 replies
Im thinking about getting some help. Reason is I only have a few hours a day and im such a n00b i feel like im wasting so much time trying to figure WP,HTML,Blogger domains, landing pages, etc. I have been trying to get into IM for the past month. the first two weeks i did nothing but read. the past 10 days i have been trying to set up websites but its easier said then done lol i have more ideas then i can put out. I think it might be worth my time to outsource them or just do Bum Marketing for awhile. I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with this and if so point me toward a direction
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  • Profile picture of the author Asher
    Odesk.com
    Elance.com
    Guru.com
    Our own Warriors-For-Hire section

    Many more on the net!

    When you do outsourcing, think of yourself as a manager...
    you need to manage them and get them to produce the
    work you require. Also, you're going to have to be ready
    for work that's not up to your standards - simply because
    people make mistakes.

    Outsourcing is really just another word online for hiring
    temps or freelancers to get work done.

    All the best!

    Asher
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    • Profile picture of the author kelvin yeo
      Well said Asher! Its really like managing staff offline.

      Originally Posted by Asher View Post

      Odesk.com
      Elance.com
      Guru.com
      Our own Warriors-For-Hire section

      Many more on the net!

      When you do outsourcing, think of yourself as a manager...
      you need to manage them and get them to produce the
      work you require. Also, you're going to have to be ready
      for work that's not up to your standards - simply because
      people make mistakes.

      Outsourcing is really just another word online for hiring
      temps or freelancers to get work done.

      All the best!

      Asher
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  • Profile picture of the author Poppy61
    Hey there,

    First try FREE methods of generating traffic. ONce you have started your blog, in order to keep visitors coming to your blog you must see to it it's not turned into a ghost town. You should post on your blog regularly. Then, you try the tagging and pinging method to optimize your blog. Also, don't forget social networking and social bookmarking of your blog. While all of these services can be outsourced, including getting your blog posts written but you can do these yourself too.
    I am sure if you hire a virtual assistant, he or she will be able to handle all these activities for you.
    Just make sure you clearly state your requirements.

    Hope this helps,

    Sincerely,
    Poppy


    Originally Posted by threatlevelorange View Post

    Suppose I want to write a blog on boxing. I want to drive traffic to the blog, as the blog has affiliate links and adsense on it. How can I outsource the traffic building part of it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Poppy61
    Hey Futuremills,

    If you have been trying to get into IM but not being able to because you have "so much to do"- then outsourcing is absolutely the best option for you.
    However, keep in mind that outsourcing can make or break your business. So you have to be very diligent in choosing the service providers you choose to work on your project(s) and also, you, yourself should have a clear idea in mind of what you want your service providers to do and how to do.

    Outsourcing can definitely be a very successful process when done in the right manner.

    Hope this helps,

    Sincerely,
    Poppy


    Originally Posted by futuremills View Post

    Im thinking about getting some help. Reason is I only have a few hours a day and im such a n00b i feel like im wasting so much time trying to figure WP,HTML,Blogger domains, landing pages, etc. I have been trying to get into IM for the past month. the first two weeks i did nothing but read. the past 10 days i have been trying to set up websites but its easier said then done lol i have more ideas then i can put out. I think it might be worth my time to outsource them or just do Bum Marketing for awhile. I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with this and if so point me toward a direction
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  • Profile picture of the author ex9to5guy
    thanks for the advice. im see myself delgating the technical tasks and some of the research until i can figure out how to get some decent quality stuff. I only have a 3to4 hour timeframe and i cant afford to mess with designing banners and messing with wordpress
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  • Profile picture of the author Shana_Adam
    The technical aspects can drain the life force out of you.

    One of the problems I find is the need for perfection. I have now decided once I start seeing an income I will leave the perfection for people who are paid for it.

    Honestly so may people burn out and lose faith in IM - it cant humanly be done all the various tasks that go into creating a huge income.

    Also 2 people means twice the productivity = more profits
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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    Outsourcing is the BEST choice I made to free up my time. I got 3 full time and 1 on contract right now.

    I would suggest to outsource tasks you do not fund doing, but before you outsource know what you are having someone do for you very well or can be taken for a ride.

    Example, I will have someone who wants to SEO and IM for my business. To them linkbuilding in SEO/IM. If I dont know better, then they can talk all over me.

    Learn it, build the systems/formula then outsource it.
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  • Profile picture of the author spikey99
    FutureMills,

    A lot of great replies to your question here.

    I wanted to add my 2 cents worth.

    1.) you mentioned you've got a lot of ideas on the go and trying to put site(s) up. My suggestion to you is try to only do one thing at a time. In the IM world we all want things to happen fast and we want results. So it's easy to get overwhelmed that we're taking to long to do part A when we just want to get everything done and start collecting some form of pay check.

    Trust me when I tell you to take your time, and get one idea setup at a time. To many will kill your biz before it gets going.

    2.) What Mukul Verma said above is true. I outsource my design work, PSD creation, slicing of that PSD to HTML and some link building activities. THe graphics stuff is something I don't know how to do but I do know what i want it to look like so I often draw a sketch and scan it in and send it to my designer to get an idea of what I'm looking for.

    My point if there is something you can do yourself I suggest you slug it out in the trenches for your first try so you know what to expect and what you expect someone else to do for you otherwise it's to easy to have the wool pulled over your eyes.

    3.) When hiring outsources spend time writing your project descriptions and instructions. You don't want any chance that your job ends up not being done correctly b/c there was some ambiguous info given by you.

    You must give ample instruction and expectations to outsourced workers.

    A few ideas on what you could outsource to help you out.

    -Layout/Design/HTML for a site
    -Anything tech you're not sure about (i.e. setting up hosting accounts, domains etc.)
    -Article creation
    -Directory submission or article syndication for traffic & back links
    -contacting sites & blogs for links, ads etc for promotion and traffic

    I wish you luck on the journey!

    -Spikey
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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    One more note. I make my training into video now, so they can go back and forth and if I need them again, I can use them
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    • Profile picture of the author John Sullivan
      You need to have an idea of how long jobs take first before outsourcing, because in some cases people will rip you off.
      Try to learn how to set up a simple blogger or wordpress blog for example and you will see you can get going in a few minutes.
      If someone can't write a 400 word article for you in less than 30 minutes don't use them, you don't need a master piece just a decent article.
      If you decide to go the outsource route pay by the hour and do a simple trial to see what you get.
      I use several people to do tasks for me but it was trail and error at first to find reliable people.

      Good luck.

      John
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  • Profile picture of the author morry
    Yep, outsourcing is awesome. I struggle to put up even a simple web page these days. I have a superstar webmaster from Romania who handles all my tech stuff, so I feel kinda spoiled.

    Outsource the stuff that you don't like or that takes up too much time and spend your time on the stuff that's going to make you the most money. If I had to handle all my tech stuff/writing/customer service/web design I'd go crazy and I'd make no money because I just can't do most of that stuff very well.

    Definitely get into it.

    Sean
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  • Profile picture of the author NetworxNZ
    I've put together over 10 projects throu7gh elance over the past years and have had some excellent results - i've also had some very average results (and paid a lot of money for stuff that was not up to par.....) - the lesson I took away from this experience is as follows;

    be very clear about what you require from people - investing time upfront creating a "scope" document or at least detailed paragrph describing your ideal outcome will save hours later

    Also check the intended outsources credentials - their return work rate and average feedback are excellent measures to safe guard against non delivery - if their figures don't stack up - move on as there are plenty of providers out there....

    Once you find someone that does good work - at a reasonable rate - hang on to them keep using them as often as you can.

    Lastly, it does help to know a bit more about what you need to achieve in terms of describing it - so whilst I agree with others here that outsourcing can indeed be wonderful, I think it's very useful to be able to do most things yourself at least once or twice so you gedt a feel for how hard or simple something really is - it's then easier to measure vales and rates!

    If you want some guidance on the technical stuff feel free to PM me - I've been doing the IT piece for over 25 years so those things come easy to me -as does usually my ability to describe it to others....

    Cheers

    Darren
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  • Profile picture of the author Leanne King
    I have started to outsource anything that I hate doing or takes me too long. I like Get A Freelancer or Rentacoder.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggerDownUnder
    Hi - I have used outsourced help (Elance mainly) for a few years now. I have learned that I need to manage (including train) these people until I am comfortable with their output. I set very high standards so I often remind myself that I need to be patient - however, one thing I NEVER accept is poor or tardy communication.

    There will often be tasks that I like doing but it may be more cost effective to outsource.

    For tasks/projects that take more than 2 hours, I prepare a mini terms of reference which states objectives; deliverables; budget; priority and deadlines. I also sometimes ask them to stop after 2 hours so that I can see what they have done. In the past some people have spent a whole day on the wrong project!

    Basically it comes down to using your time cost effectively. You will (or should) know the value of your time. Compare this to your outsource options and you'll be better able to make informed decisions on what to to outsource.

    Good luck. Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author acedalright
    Outsourcing is great so long as what you pay per hour earns you more than the opportunity cost of doing the task/s yourself.

    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author robvegas626
      I outsource a lot of work but it's important for YOU to know exactly what you want done, and be extremely specific with your instructions. Don't expect outsourcers to advise you on traffic-building strategies. Before you outsource, you should be personally familiar with the tactics you want to implement, understand how to make them work, and be able to communicate your instructions very clearly. Otherwise the "cheap" labor you pay for could wind up being money spent on absolutely zero results.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andrew G Gowans
      I have used Elance.com in the past and as a provider, also make money from Elance and from guru.com.

      Through the advent of Warrior for Hire, I have found most of the outsourcing skills I need such as graphic design and web page templates. The quality and delivery is excellent.

      There really is no need to look elsewhere unless budget is a big problem. Then yes, there are plenty of outsourcing services online that will provide a solution to your requirements. Depending on the quality of work provided, you will find some providers more expensive than others, for example compare guru.com with Getafreelancer.

      Being proficient in html, web design, writing etc., I have to admit it did take me some time to get into my, sometimes thick, head that outsourcing makes a great deal of sense especially when you are the only one in your team.

      Once that light comes on, even if budgets are tight, the weight that is lifted is immense.

      It has been said already but the clue is to be as exact as possible in defining your requirements, ask for examples of previous work, never pay the whole fee up front.

      On larger projects, before committing myself or the client to the whole project, I will often supply a test piece to find out if the relationship is going to work or not. If I feel it isn't, I won't proceed any further.

      So, yes, definitely consider outsourcing as a critical part of your business plan, it can knock weeks if not months off your "production" schedule and oftentimes deliver a solution which is actually more effective than if you had done the work yourself.

      And, of course, you are here now, so you are starting in the right place!

      Andrew G.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    I have started outsourcing full time with a VA as from today and it feels really odd getting someone else to do the main tasks for me.

    Im hoping it will work out really well but it still worries me handing over my work to finish by someone else. The good thing about outsourcing though is all those boring jobs are no longer your own!

    Kind regards


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  • Profile picture of the author Google Lover
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    so much about managing staffs...

    We MANAGE things.

    We LEAD People.
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