STRIPPERS!

by Allen Graves 47 replies
There is a very disturbing trend going on that I am sure most of you already know about.

Articles are being pulled from article directories, either manually or via RSS and software...and they are stripping out the resource box!

This gives the website owner all of the content (and resulting Adsense or affiliate money) and the author gets nothing...zilch...nada.

This is immoral, devious and unethical. If I could make internet laws, this would be nothing but plain old theft!

There is a new, completely not-for-profit website that will soon be launched that will have a section devoted to listing these websites.

So here is my problem...

A very few webmasters are just plain ignorant and don't know that this is a bad thing. So will placing these websites in the list be, in a sense, a violation of anyones rules? The page will be for "people using articles without resource info"...so it's not libel or slander or anything. It's just a list of these sites.

We will obviously make an attempt or two to communicate with these website owners before placing them on the list.

Question: Would we be wrong to do this?
Question 2: Would we be in line for legal action taken against us?

There's really only one reason we will be doing this. We want to have at least some incentive for webmasters to NOT do this and to thwart this trend that is only growing.

Thanks for your time,
Allen Graves

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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    Do you think this would help?
    • Set up Google Alerts for each of your article titles
    • Take screen shots of offending sites
    • Contact them requesting payment and issue C&D
    It would get to be a giant PITA, but it may be the only way.


    HEY, perhaps a Warrior will start a site where you can submit the titles of your work. Then they'll monitor the internet for illegal use of your work and take care of the policing. It could all be automated. You could probably charge $50 or $100 a month easily.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Burton
      Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

      Do you think this would help?
      • Set up Google Alerts for each of your article titles
      • Take screen shots of offending sites
      • Contact them requesting payment and issue C&D
      It would get to be a giant PITA, but it may be the only way.


      HEY, perhaps a Warrior will start a site where you can submit the titles of your work. Then they'll monitor the internet for illegal use of your work and take care of the policing. It could all be automated. You could probably charge $50 or $100 a month easily.
      I'm going to get on the line with a few coders. See if I can find a way to do something like this.

      If I can swing some sort of tracking like this, would there be an interest from article marketers and other website owners here to use such a service?
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      • Profile picture of the author milan
        Would the list of those websites have clickable nofollow links to those sites? :p

        Seriously, isn't it better to focus on something else? Blackhaters couldn't care less for such a list.
        For example, to deal with hosting companies when this happens?
        Report a site to Google if it has Adsense? Becuase, in most of the cases it will be a MFA site that cannot pass human quality review test.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kym Robinson
          This is a nasty situation.
          I have found sites with my articles on them with no resource box aswell.
          I think the site you are talking of Allen would be a good idea!
          Not even newbies are that ignorant of the 'resource box' rules.
          It is staed everywhere that you can republish but you must use the resource box! The problem for me is that the resource box is your payment (as such) for the work done in writing the article and it makes article marketing less appealing if you cant expect that small bonus - the other problem is that regardless of these people ripping off your work - you should still be article marketing to obtain good quality backlinks and traffic!

          BRING ON THE RESOURCE BOX POLICE!!!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author xmx
        I was on my articlemarketer.com account to check if a
        new article was approved and decided to check the
        exposure report for old articles.
        It simply pop up a page where you can search your
        article title in google or yahoo or msn.

        I decided to check some of the sites and the results
        were scary.

        I discovered that not only it happens often that the
        sites do not include the resource box, or only a part
        of it removing the link you added, but I even found
        some sites that inside the articles add totally unrelated
        keyphrases with links to external sites.

        this is an example of article without my resource box
        AdSense: Make Money Online Without Selling | Computers & Networking | PPC Services | ppc bid managment | ppc

        this is an example of the same article modified (I think
        that they added some advertising sentences without even
        caring if it made sense...)
        Google Adsense Article: AdSense: Make Money Online Without Selling

        other example of article modified with text and links that
        have no meaning at all:
        orwnzm: AdSense: Make Money Online Without Selling


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        • Profile picture of the author TeamGlobal
          Allen,

          This would be an interesting project to be sure.

          With regard to the legal ramifications it would make sense to consult an attorney.

          Also some additional consequence such as having an offending site's hosting shut down might help to deter future offenders.

          All The Best,


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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Hi Scott,
        Well I am a coder .. Yes it is possible to build something of this nature I think $100 a month would be a little steep for most people though ..

        James


        Originally Posted by Scott Burton View Post

        I'm going to get on the line with a few coders. See if I can find a way to do something like this.

        If I can swing some sort of tracking like this, would there be an interest from article marketers and other website owners here to use such a service?
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    That's why I tried to weave my website url in the article as an example, but that was not approved. I guess you can't do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jean Morgan
    I get google alerts for my name, my websites and some keywords.

    Earlier this week I got an alert for a site which was dispaying one or my articles taken from an article directory (I could tell from the article version being used) and scrolled down to find that not only had my resource box been removed the swine had put his own resource box on there promoting an affiliate product through clickbank that I know to be poor and would not want to be associated with.

    Since it was a blogger blog I looked to see how to ask to have my content removed. Apparently I need to write or fax a DMCA letter with various details half way across the world to Google and then wait for them to action it.

    Too much hassle, too much expense - international call or international airmail.

    I hate these thieves and applaud anyone who wants to put a stop to them but also wonder if this is a cost to having your content syndicated.

    Jean
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Allen,
    It is not illegal to create a list of potential frauding websites. If a website is in breach of a article sites terms of service and you are the author of such content then you have every right under law to expose the website.

    James

    Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

    There is a very disturbing trend going on that I am sure most of you already know about.

    Articles are being pulled from article directories, either manually or via RSS and software...and they are stripping out the resource box!

    This gives the website owner all of the content (and resulting Adsense or affiliate money) and the author gets nothing...zilch...nada.

    This is immoral, devious and unethical. If I could make internet laws, this would be nothing but plain old theft!

    There is a new, completely not-for-profit website that will soon be launched that will have a section devoted to listing these websites.

    So here is my problem...

    A very few webmasters are just plain ignorant and don't know that this is a bad thing. So will placing these websites in the list be, in a sense, a violation of anyones rules? The page will be for "people using articles without resource info"...so it's not libel or slander or anything. It's just a list of these sites.

    We will obviously make an attempt or two to communicate with these website owners before placing them on the list.

    Question: Would we be wrong to do this?
    Question 2: Would we be in line for legal action taken against us?

    There's really only one reason we will be doing this. We want to have at least some incentive for webmasters to NOT do this and to thwart this trend that is only growing.

    Thanks for your time,
    Allen Graves

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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      If $100/month (or $50 for that matter) is too steep for someone, then they aren't likely loosing much due to the plagiarism anyway.
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Burton
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        Hi Scott,
        Well I am a coder .. Yes it is possible to build something of this nature I think $100 a month would be a little steep for most people though ..
        I'm not the one who came up with the dollar amount, that would be Lance. I personally don't see the need to charge necessarily that much, but what the site costs to set up and maintain would invariably affect the cost of the service.

        Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

        If $100/month (or $50 for that matter) is too steep for someone, then they aren't likely loosing much due to the plagiarism anyway.
        It's possible that someone is making $50 a month through their article marketing, but if they were getting proper links, they might be making much more.

        Again, I didn't come up with the dollar amount. I don't think it would have to be that much, but I couldn't say for sure until I have more data at my disposal.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Hi Scott,
          Depending upon what you would want the site to exactly do would depend upon how much it would cost. The concept though is pretty straight forward and nothing too complex.

          I would deem a service as such about $12.95 a month but again I guess that depends upon what you build into the system.. The more automation the better, nobody wants to spend hours tracking down a buch of idiots that think they are smarter then you because they cut out your resource box.

          If time permits I may build something similar in my new site, we will see..

          James


          Originally Posted by Scott Burton View Post

          I'm not the one who came up with the dollar amount, that would be Lance. I personally don't see the need to charge necessarily that much, but what the site costs to set up and maintain would invariably affect the cost of the service.



          It's possible that someone is making $50 a month through their article marketing, but if they were getting proper links, they might be making much more.

          Again, I didn't come up with the dollar amount. I don't think it would have to be that much, but I couldn't say for sure until I have more data at my disposal.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
        Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

        If $100/month (or $50 for that matter) is too steep for someone, then they aren't likely loosing much due to the plagiarism anyway.
        I was curious about that myself, however, I dont see many people paying more than a few bucks for something like this, mostly because there are already services like this that charge less per month.

        just an observation
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        • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
          Originally Posted by Tim Franklin View Post

          I was curious about that myself, however, I dont see many people paying more than a few bucks for something like this, mostly because there are already services like this that charge less per month.

          just an observation
          This one would be free. Brought to you by the Article Directory Owners of the world.

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        • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
          I can't see anything at all wrong with doing what you suggest.

          Would you feel bad about making a list of all the people you had proof had been shoplifting from your store?

          The instructions on these article sites are clear enough and the shock for some of these "ignorant" people of discovering they've been breaking a very clear agreement might be enough to make them change their ways.

          Either way if they're stealing content then they should suffer the consequences.

          Kindest regards,
          Andrew Cavanagh
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  • Profile picture of the author Emailrevealer
    It happens to me a lot. When I find out I paost a comment or email the host if there's contact info.
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  • Profile picture of the author NMP
    The "THEY" is the article dir creators. Ask them to
    add the resource in the feed. The autobloggers do
    ask for credits and most agree on that.

    BUT if the resource is not in the feed. Talk to the
    dir creators. Is in no way unethical. It's The Internet!

    RSS makes for instance EA to be top rated at google.
    So it's more a rss feed creator problem. I doubt even
    most strippers realized the problem. I bet EA wants their
    backlinks...without promoting your Business. Just a guess.

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  • Profile picture of the author NMP
    You may also read this. Since you agreed to it once:
    EzineArticles.com Terms of Service For Authors
    (Especilly 2. 3.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Thanks everyone for your comments.

    Note: There are some directories out there that will allow you to add your URL into the body. Unfortunately, most do not.

    The resource info is usually not in the feed for autobloggers, true. Usually it's just the first sentence of the article or the summary. But there is a link to the article where the resource info is. Most everybody is fine with that.

    What I am referring to is the ones who post the entire article and deliberately leave out the resource information...or worse yet, enter false resource info to their own links...and there is usually no link whatsoever to the original article or the article directory.

    I am not so high on ratting out people that are simply ignorant. I want to go for the ones that are being arrogant jerks about it. At least people will have a place to go and see where they can check if their own articles are being plagiarized in this fashion.

    Any php people out there think they could write me some code that I could place next to each website to search that particular domain for a specific text search? That would be cool...and I would give you a link and credit on the page.

    Again, this is just going to be one small part of this website.

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Well, this would be free since the site is for a not-for-profit organization.

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  • Profile picture of the author NMP
    I Agree. Link back to the article creator should be a
    requirement. However there are some really nasty
    scripts for WP where you can import and replace
    adsense code etc. Guess it will be hard to do much
    about it though.

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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      VERY true, D.

      Unfortunate.

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    oooooooh...

    thats good!

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    • Profile picture of the author zerofill
      Originally Posted by Richard Odell View Post

      Read recently (cant remember where) that Google records the first instance of publication and responds with weight in the search results. Found this out recently when I submitted to multiple article sites with the same article. The directory that won was way below the page rank of Ezine Articles....

      Page rank isn't all its made out to be these days - its all about first come - first served...

      Said in a few posts lately - the old rules are out of the window - Google is changing, there are new rules in the offing, they are looking for credabilty and originality, mixed with authority - dismiss it at your peril.

      Are you up for this Al?

      The Article Directory Owners' Association website you are proposing could handle all this!

      I would happily sign up as member to access a service like this!!!!

      Regards

      Rich
      I think it is actually the luck of the draw...your article gets posted on a site that has that section being crawled before it is being crawled on another site...

      I don't think Page Rank has any bearing in that situation...
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Hi Rich,
      You make a good point but 2 things here...

      1. How does the admin of that directory establish you as the original author of said content ? I mean any scammer could join and post articles and claim they are his, the admin approves the articles and now the scammer is being protected which is wrong..

      2. Even if you built a system to do this (which yes it is possible), nothing stops a scammer from going to view source and copy the actual html of the site to get the article. Therefore bypassing any such code that would link back to a copyright.

      In the first point here, if this did happen then what does the admin do when the original author does come and say hay that is my content. How does he prove it is his ??

      In the second point here, there is nothing and I do mean nothing that can stop view source. Some pro-claim to have little bits of code that stops right click and such but sorry I hate to inform those.. These little snippets of code do not block anyone from view source or right click.

      James

      Originally Posted by Richard Odell View Post

      Read recently (cant remember where) that Google records the first instance of publication and responds with weight in the search results. Found this out recently when I submitted to multiple article sites with the same article. The directory that won was way below the page rank of Ezine Articles....

      Page rank isn't all its made out to be these days - its all about first come - first served...

      Said in a few posts lately - the old rules are out of the window - Google is changing, there are new rules in the offing, they are looking for credabilty and originality, mixed with authority - dismiss it at your peril.

      Are you up for this Al?

      The Article Directory Owners' Association website you are proposing could handle all this!

      I would happily sign up as member to access a service like this!!!!

      Regards

      Rich
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    Misleading title much?
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
    Here is a tip that was suggested to me. Before submitting your article to an article driectory or where ever first post it to your blog or your own site. This way you can show evidence that the article is yours because your site is the very first one to have it.


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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

    There's really only one reason we will be doing this. We want to have at least some incentive for webmasters to NOT do this and to thwart this trend that is only growing.
    Allen, how would you encourage a buyer of an affiliate product or an adsense ad clicker to first check out such a website? Webmasters who do this deliberately aren't going to worry about being featured on a "name & shame" site.

    This has to be tackled via the article directories. If enough writers (the lifeblood of these directories) regularly bombarded the directories with the URLs of the offending publishers (maybe via an aggregating site, similar to the one you propose) they would have to take action, even it were just a warning to the publishers' hosting companies.

    EZA, for example, make it very clear in their publishers TOS that they are prepared to take action against any such violation:

    QUOTE:

    If you violate any of the above terms of service and/or any author copyright when reprinting articles from our site, you agree to be held liable for all attorney fees and statutory damages awarded upon a copyright infringement lawsuit that may be brought against you. Please read Section 504(c)(2) (U.S. Copyright Office - Copyright Law: Chapter 5). You agree that any legal proceedings against you will occur in Brown County in the State of Wisconsin, USA.
    You acknowledge that EzineArticles.com has the sole right to revoke these reprint rights at any given time for any reason provided you're given 48 hours written notice via email or via fax or via telephone or via postal mail. If you're unreachable, you also agree that we may contact your web hosting provider to reach you and serve this notice. Upon receiving notice from us, you will have 24 hours to immediately remove every article you received from EzineArticles.com and must provide us with a written reply indicating that you have complied with our request in order to mitigate further action against you and your business to enforce this covenant.

    END QUOTE


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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Hi Frank,
      But you see that is the problem .. you very well can not try to force the article directory to do anything when infact it is out of their hands.

      1. A host will not pull down the site unless they are court ordered to do so. Some disagree with this but please go to hostgator and try it and dont you see they will tell you to get a court order. A host has no way to prove or disprove if the person you are reporting is violating your rights. The only one that can do that is the courts.

      2. How does a article directory sue or even file for court papers to have the offending party remove the article ?

      A. They must know the full name, address, and contact details of the person that has the article. Otherwise they can not file nothing.

      B. They must first file a police report and if it is not in the same state then the police gives you problems with this.

      C. The party that has the article on their website must be notified in writing (snail mail) and served with papers to appear in court. This is only and only if you was able to obtain contact details and a police report.

      D. Nothing can force that person to appear in court and just because they dont appear does not mean you win the case. Some seem to think this is always the case but it is not.

      3. You can not very well demand the article directory do something when in fact it is out of their hands also. Again anyone can view source and copy and paste HTML and not even need to use the directories publisher tools.

      4. EzineArticles can say what they wish in the terms, fact is again they even need a court order to get the contact details from the host. Otherwise the host can be sued for breach of privacy. Most "real" host will not release this information without proper papers. Even then nothing says the host has the proper contact details.

      5. If the offending party is in another country, well sorry 99% of the time you can not do anything no matter how many lawyers you contact.

      You see the system is so complex and takes so many resources and time this is why most just let it go because the time and effort you would sink into it would not be worth it in the long run.

      Please Note - I am not trying to be negetive here, just posting facts... I fully agree that it needs to end.

      James

      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      Allen, how would you encourage a buyer of an affiliate product or an adsense ad clicker to first check out such a website? Webmasters who do this deliberately aren't going to worry about being featured on a "name & shame" site.

      This has to be tackled via the article directories. If enough writers (the lifeblood of these directories) regularly bombarded the directories with the URLs of the offending publishers (maybe via an aggregating site, similar to the one you propose) they would have to take action, even it were just a warning to the publishers' hosting companies.

      EZA, for example, make it very clear in their publishers TOS that they are prepared to take action against any such violation:

      QUOTE:

      If you violate any of the above terms of service and/or any author copyright when reprinting articles from our site, you agree to be held liable for all attorney fees and statutory damages awarded upon a copyright infringement lawsuit that may be brought against you. Please read Section 504(c)(2) (U.S. Copyright Office - Copyright Law: Chapter 5). You agree that any legal proceedings against you will occur in Brown County in the State of Wisconsin, USA.
      You acknowledge that EzineArticles.com has the sole right to revoke these reprint rights at any given time for any reason provided you're given 48 hours written notice via email or via fax or via telephone or via postal mail. If you're unreachable, you also agree that we may contact your web hosting provider to reach you and serve this notice. Upon receiving notice from us, you will have 24 hours to immediately remove every article you received from EzineArticles.com and must provide us with a written reply indicating that you have complied with our request in order to mitigate further action against you and your business to enforce this covenant.

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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Hi James

        Yeah, I guess you're right. I just think that it has to be incumbent upon the directories to police this flagrant violation of their TOS. It isn't fair to pass all responsibility over to the writers. After all, the directories are in business to directly profit from the writers' creativity.

        It would be like the record companies telling their artists that any illegal downloads of their songs is up to the artists themselves to prevent while in the meantime the labels are still profiting from the legitimate sales.

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        • Profile picture of the author kazmagic
          Great eye catching title, and it worked!!!

          What surprises me is that only one comment was left re the title. Obviously this is a serious topic

          Anyway, well done ( and the rest of your post is very valid also)

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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Hi Frank,
          Oh I agree with you.. Now if that "publisher" is also a member of the directory then this would be a somewhat different case but even then the directory is still limited on what they could do.

          EzineArticles added that in their TOS for 2 reasons..

          1. To cover their own A$$

          2. To hopefully scare away those that might be dishonest

          Which is a start and some ofcourse would be scared of the law, but others that know better really dont care because they know you would spend more resources than what the article(s) are worth.

          Now that does not mean all hope is lost because there are things the directory could do to make a writers life alot easier. The question is would they spend the time and monet to implement some changes to the way they do things ??

          Since I need a marketers opinion first before I tell you what some things a directory can do I will send Allen a PM and ask...

          What Allen proposed in his original post would be a very good step forward for writers. Make the public and search engines aware of these scamming sites that are doing unethical activities. Making the public aware in he proper ways could kill those scammers traffic and thus not only would the article(s) do them no good any longer but the domain names would be worthless to them.

          James

          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          Hi James

          Yeah, I guess you're right. I just think that it has to be incumbent upon the directories to police this flagrant violation of their TOS. It isn't fair to pass all responsibility over to the writers. After all, the directories are in business to directly profit from the writers' creativity.

          It would be like the record companies telling their artists that any illegal downloads of their songs is up to the artists themselves to prevent while in the meantime the labels are still profiting from the legitimate sales.

          Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        1. A host will not pull down the site unless they are court ordered to do so. Some disagree with this but please go to hostgator and try it and dont you see they will tell you to get a court order. A host has no way to prove or disprove if the person you are reporting is violating your rights. The only one that can do that is the courts.
        Where did you get that idea? People have gotten sites taken down without court orders.

        I've gotten pirated products removed from ebay without court orders.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Because it if fact .. You removing something from eBay and having a entire server pulled down is 2 different things. eBay has forms for you to fill out to prove you are the owner of such products.

          Some host may very well remove a site without a court order but fact is most will not because how are they to know you are telling the truth claiming the product is yours ?? You must prove that product is yours and prove the person is violating your rights.

          Host do not rip down sites just because someone ask them to do so.. If they did then the hosting company would not be in business for very long.

          James

          Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood View Post

          Where did you get that idea? People have gotten sites taken down without court orders.

          I've gotten pirated products removed from ebay without court orders.
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  • Profile picture of the author GrantFreeman
    Allen,

    Damnit for getting me all excited with the OT. Both kind are a PITA!

    Lance,

    The first bullet point is a good idea, and will take less work than the others.

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    • Profile picture of the author new guy
      I personally think that just putting up a list of these sites would not accomplish very much. Someone who is reading an article is not going to click on some kind of verification thing to prove the article he just read is paying the right guy. Also people who build these sites are not going to be scared into their senses by such a list.

      As a fairly new article marketer, I don't know if there would be much value to me in a site that simply told me "this guy here is stealing your stuff". I think I would likely say "ok, so what can I do about it (not much)" or else I would just get fed up and stop writing.

      Now if there was a site that could do something about it, that would be great.

      I do like the idea of ramping up the technology to timestamp or verify an owner, or some kind of change to the rss feed to try and combat this on a technical level. That would be valuable.
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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Originally Posted by new guy View Post

        I personally think that just putting up a list of these sites would not accomplish very much. Someone who is reading an article is not going to click on some kind of verification thing to prove the article he just read is paying the right guy. Also people who build these sites are not going to be scared into their senses by such a list.

        As a fairly new article marketer, I don't know if there would be much value to me in a site that simply told me "this guy here is stealing your stuff". I think I would likely say "ok, so what can I do about it (not much)" or else I would just get fed up and stop writing.

        Now if there was a site that could do something about it, that would be great.

        I do like the idea of ramping up the technology to timestamp or verify an owner, or some kind of change to the rss feed to try and combat this on a technical level. That would be valuable.

        Hi New Guy,

        This wouldn't be a site trying to do something about it. This is an alliance of article directories, authors and website owners that could quite possibly reach the thousands. I have been in correpondence with several very large companies both inside and outside of the article marketing industry.

        I have already had a small amount of correspondence with a Google representative about this very thing. He wasn't too sure at first whether or not they could somehow blackball these sites based on the observations of our organization alone. Reason being...I could easily get someone's website blackballed simply because he or she made a rude comment to me in a forum.

        Of course, I would never do this...but Google does not know that.

        This is definitely a work in progress and has been for over a year now. Our alliance has been meeting on another website's community software and we are finally at the point where we can get our website going, escalate talks with search engines and others, and start trying to make the article marketing community a better place for people just like you. It's high time that a not-for-profit organization be developed for something like this.

        As far as timestamping an article and giving someone a uniquely generated badge (or whatever), we should leave that up to the search engines I think.

        I will be sending an invite to everyone here once we get everything up and running. Perhaps we can build a reputation of an organization you don't want to have on your tail!

        You guys are all great and I appreciate your responses.

        Even if some think this is not a good idea or that it wouldn't doo much...I think we're going to proceed anyway for the simple fact that there really is nothing out there like it.

        And again, this will only be one small part of the website...at least at first.

        I have to run...will continue post later...

        Respectfully,
        Allen Graves
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    OH - One More Thing...

    I apologize for disappointing those of you who thought this post was about the other kind of STRIPPERS! LOL

    AL
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Whiston
      It's a shame. Things like this are going to happen online and I'm not sure anything can truly be done to fully counteract it.

      I'd like to think that our species will continue to evolve past this kind of petty nonsense but for the time being part of being a writer in any capacity is accepting the fact that your content will probably be stolen at some point.

      Having a list of "offending" sites is an interesting idea. Who knows, such a "wall of shame" approach might have some impact.
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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Yea...there's definitely a long road ahead for us...and quite possibly a lot of headaches.

        We're going to play it by ear and hopefully, as we jump in and start swimming, we'll be able to adapt to whatever it is that we'll be up against.

        Thanks,
        AL
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        • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
          Rob,

          I don't think you understand the core of this thread. This has nothing to do with the individual marketer or thief. It's much bigger than that and on a much more grand scale.

          What if that short rankings boost or traffic surge doesn't happen anymore?

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