What happens if I add a killer vsl to marketplace

by George Lukas

Posted: 10 years ago 16 replies

INTERNET MARKETING

Hello;

What happens if I add a killer vsl to Clickbank marketplace and just leave it there without advertising or approaching any affiliates?

Do I have to advertise or approach affiliates for it to be found or will the affiliates just find it?

Thanks

#add #killer #marketplace #vsl

gjabiz

10 years ago

Originally Posted by George Lukas

Conversions, and profits are what make VSL killer, are they not?

Unless you have some results from this, what makes you think it is killer?

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George Lukas 10 years ago

Originally Posted by gjabiz

Conversions, and profits are what make VSL killer, are they not?

Unless you have some results from this, what makes you think it is killer?

gjabiz

Thanks friends you're right but you didn't answer my question.
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- Regional Warrior 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by George Lukas
  
  Thanks friends you're right but you didn't answer my question.
  
  GL
  
  He did answer the thread just not the answer you were wanting! I would suggest you do a search of the threads and the Keywords I would use " How to find affiliates" there a lot of new threads you will find
  
  The question is asked at the minimum 3-4 times a week.
  
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  George Lukas 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Regional Warrior
  
  GL
  
  He did answer the thread just not the answer you were wanting!
  
  Hey man,
  
  No he didn't answer.
  
  It's either yes or no.
  
  Do I have to advertise and approach affiliates for the offer to be found or will the affiliates just find it without me approaching?
  
  Thanks
  
  Edit:
  
  I read in some articles they say even if you have a KILLER offer, it won't be found unless promoted. Some others say just add it to marketplace and it will be discovered.
  Is it not clear what I am asking?
  
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chyan007

Banned 10 years ago

Hi George Obviously you have to advertise ,The so called Killer VSL will help you with conversions

In order to make sales First people has to go to your VSL and this where advertising comes into picture

Hope i have answered your question

Cheers
Chyanit

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George Lukas

10 years ago

Originally Posted by chyan007

Hi George Obviously you have to advertise

Hey man;

Yeh this makes sense.

I read in a couple articles that all you have to do is get a vsl that converts on PPC or mail drop test. If test are successful, don't worry about affiliates finding it!

I am at a point with a vsl that converts 3-5% on cold traffic I send from Bing or Google! On average I spend $40 and make $97. Good ROI!

But it's been on CB for a few months and haven't had many affiliates promoting it. I have 2 affiliates who sent me 200 hops each and each made 7 sales.
I have 250 other affiliates who sent me less than 10 hops each.

I dont think it's been exposed.

I wasn't sure if I advertise or not.

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JohnMcCabe

10 years ago

Originally Posted by George Lukas

Those articles weren't written by people selling VSLs, PPC training or solo ads, were they? Maybe a CB product locator?

Even with a good ROI and decent conversions, the only way affiliates will find it is if you tell them about somehow. Or you could rely on random chance. Looks like you already tried the second one, though.

Originally Posted by George Lukas

But it's been on CB for a few months and haven't had many affiliates promoting it. I have 2 affiliates who sent me 200 hops each and each made 7 sales.
I have 250 other affiliates who sent me less than 10 hops each.

I don't think it's been exposed.

I wasn't sure if I advertise or not.

You didn't mention whether any of those other 250 affiliates made a sale. I'm guessing 'no'. Which is about average for relying on random affiliates.

If the affiliates who did make sales made over $1.00 per click, you could combine that with your stats for cold traffic and have an attractive opportunity.

Beyond just advertising for affiliates, which would likely get you similar results to what you've seen, why not spend time actively recruiting the affiliates you really want? Seems like you'd get a higher ROI than just trolling for random affiliates or relying on luck for finding good, active promoters.

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George Lukas

10 years ago

Hey man;

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

You didn't mention whether any of those other 250 affiliates made a sale. I'm guessing 'no'.

Do you really think I should expect a sale out of 5 hops? That's the average number of hops I got from other affiliates.

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Beyond just advertising for affiliates, which would likely get you similar results to what you've seen, why not spend time actively recruiting the affiliates you really want?

What do you mean exactly by recruiting? Do you mean advertise on CB and send them to my affiliate site?
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JohnMcCabe

10 years ago

Originally Posted by George Lukas

Hey man;

Do you really think I should expect a sale out of 5 hops? That's the average number of hops I got from other affiliates.

Out of 5 hops? I wouldn't expect it, but I wouldn't be shocked, either. Each hop is a discrete event, kind of like flipping an honest coin.

Now, if 250 affiliates sent you an average of 5 hops each, that's 1,250 hops. (Or did we miscommunicate?) Out of that many hops, I would definitely expect at least one sale, just based on random chance.

Originally Posted by George Lukas

What do you mean exactly by recruiting? Do you mean advertise on CB and send them to my affiliate site?
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No, I don't mean advertising on CB. I mean going out on the web, finding sites you believe would be a good match for your product, and approaching them about becoming an affiliate for your product. If they are obviously affiliates (promoting things from multiple vendors), so much the better.

When you find such a site, shoot them an email asking if they would be interested in discussing affiliating with you, and telling them that if they are open to the idea, you can provide some data concerning your testing with cold traffic.

Using this method, you might only find a handful of serious affiliates.

The 80/20 rule says that 20% of your affiliates will generate 80% of your sales through affiliates. You can apply the rule again, and find that of that 20%, 20% of them will make 80% of the sales. In other words, roughly 4% of your affiliates will make two thirds of your affiliate sales. These are the folks you want to find and actively recruit.

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George Lukas

10 years ago

Hey John thanks for the details;

Clickbank data doesn't make much sense! How can zero hops make 20 sales? What am I missing here: ???

Next thing by looking at this one below, I take that the quality of the traffic determines if the hops turn to sale or not:

This for example is sending me pure crap quality traffic.

So we can't really tell much by what affiliates send!

1 thing that makes sense to me is if an affiliate is getting 1 sale out of 7 hops and 1 is getting 7 sales form 194 hops, there is a chance this offer is gonna kill it if it's in front of the right traffic.

What do you think?

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JohnMcCabe

10 years ago

Originally Posted by George Lukas

1 thing that makes sense to me is if an affiliate is getting 1 sale out of 7 hops and 1 is getting 7 sales form 194 hops, there is a chance this offer is gonna kill it if it's in front of the right traffic.

What do you think?

Are you doing any marketing of your own? It's been awhile, but if memory serves, sales that result from direct traffic to the sales page (search traffic, email links, some social shares) don't generate a 'hop'.

I think that if you can find more of the affiliates that can generate a sale from seven hops, the force might be strong in this one...

(Sorry, with that user name, I couldn't resist.

)

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George Lukas 10 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

I think that if you can find more of the affiliates that can generate a sale from seven hops, the force might be strong in this one...

This would be the challenge. I am gonna do what you said. Hit them on big sites.
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JC Web

10 years ago

Originally Posted by George Lukas

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1 thing that makes sense to me is if an affiliate is getting 1 sale out of 7 hops and 1 is getting 7 sales form 194 hops, there is a chance this offer is gonna kill it if it's in front of the right traffic.

What do you think?

No, the 1 sale out of 7 hops is completely statistically insignificant. You can't draw any conclusions from this whatsoever. Not trying to discourage you - just straightening out your misunderstanding. You need a lot more data than that for stats to matter.

You don't know if that one sale was the affiliate's own purchase and he hasn't sold any to anyone else. You don't know if it was a fluke. You don't know anything from those stats. He/she could send you a 1000 more hops with no more sales. You need much higher numbers for the stats to be significant and to be used in drawing any conclusions.

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Jason Kanigan 10 years ago

How are they going to know?

How are they going to realize it's a "killer offer" without any data?

How is it going to stand out to them?

Without any data, without a personal connection, it's going to get lost in the pack.
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- George Lukas 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan
  
  Without a personal connection, it's going to get lost in the pack.
  
  Hey man;
  
  What do you mean by this?
  
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  Jason Kanigan 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by George Lukas
  
  Hey man;
  
  What do you mean by this?
  
  How do you think affiliate marketers choose which products to promote?
  
  They sure as heck don't flip through all the available products like they're swatches at the paint shop. That would take forever.
  
  They go by stats--EPCs and the like--or personal connections--you talk to them and they like you.
  
  Watch this.
  
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