New to niche selection

by Kwits
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Hello! I'm brand new to the Warrior Forum, and IM in general. For the past few weeks I've been reading a lot about Niche Websites and there's a few large pillars of understanding that I'm just not able to grasp, so I'm bringing one of my issues here, hopefully someone will be kind enough to help

The situation:
Everyone suggests creating a space for yourself within a niche based on your interests/hobbies, but I quickly learned that I actually have zero hobbies, and my interests are wide but have no depth to them so I can't speak from any sort of experience, knowledge or genuine interest. (who could've guessed niche selection would ignite an identity crisis?)

So the alternative is to go find a random niche. Look at amazon, forums, email lists, stumbleupon etc and that's what I did. And I found lots of niches very quickly.

The problem:
When I look into these niches, every single one is filled with very passionate people who have had these hobbies for their whole life... So how on earth can it be possible to compete with that? Their websites often involve lots of hands-on stuff and real world examples of their niche with themselves heavily involved.

Take for example the book binding niche, I can setup a site that shows you the whole process, I can re-write on the topic for months based on other peoples content, but I'll never actually be able to show the amount of content real book binding hobbyists have because they're actually doing it, with videos/pictures.

That's just one example of the dozens of niches i've looked at. So my perspective is definitely wrong somewhere, like I'm missing a piece of the puzzle, perhaps someone can point out why?
#niche #selection
  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Kwits,

    You are underestimating your own capabilities to create and profit from an online business.

    Even though you don't think you personally have what it takes to succeed, you are wrong. Anyone can be successful at online business.

    Certainly you must have some kind of advantage. By that I mean, there must be something in your life that you are good at or that you have an extra amount of passion for. Even if that "thing" is simply an interest to learn more about something.

    Look at your education, your past work history, your past training in something. What would those around you (family, friends, relatives) say that you do well?

    The idea is to focus a niche on something that you already know. You don't have to be an expert ... you can study and learn as you go. But by having an advantage in that subject, you have a head start in a business niche. You have an interest or knowledge that will help you as you dig into the niche and work to become an authority.

    Here's an alternative approach. You do research in the marketplace to find an urgent problem that people have. Chances are, there will be others already trying to address the problem. But maybe the solutions they are providing are not working ... or they're incomplete ... or they're too expensive ... or they take too long ... etc, etc. There is room for you to enter this marketplace and provide a better solution - one that fills the gaps or holes in the marketplace that need to be addressed.

    Do a search here (WF) and find threads about "market research." It will help you to understand the whole concept of finding a need and providing a solution.

    The best to you,

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    • Profile picture of the author Kwits
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      Kwits,

      Certainly you must have some kind of advantage. By that I mean, there must be something in your life that you are good at or that you have an extra amount of passion for. Even if that "thing" is simply an interest to learn more about something.
      Surprisingly, I'm being completely honest that I have no passion or anything that I excel at. I could use the excuse that I'm only 21, but plenty of people have a hobby or something they're good at by this age.

      That being said, the second half of your statement did trigger an idea for me. Last summer I read a book on a particular topic that I remember wanting to learn a lot more about. I still run into the problem of the niche being completely filled to the brim with similar sites, but creating a website around that topic would genuinely be fun and advantageous if only from an educational standpoint. If profits were to come from it in some form, then that would only be a bonus. Thank you for your advice
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  • Profile picture of the author danieldesai
    Originally Posted by Kwits View Post

    The problem:
    When I look into these niches, every single one is filled with very passionate people who have had these hobbies for their whole life... So how on earth can it be possible to compete with that?
    Hey Kwits, welcome to the Warrior Forum!

    As for your "problem", I have good news for you.

    While it's true that there are a lot of marketers out there with far more experience than you do (in both running a business and serving a niche audience), you don't need to be an expert to get started and seeing some results.

    Just for the sake of an example, let's say you're passionate about dogs.

    You do some research, and realize there's a very lucrative opportunity in selling dog training products.

    You don't have your own, so you head on over to ClickBank.com and do a search for dog training products you can promote as an affiliate.

    Let's say you decide to promote "The Online Dog Trainer" by Doggy Dan.

    What you need to do now is find a way to generate traffic (visitors) to your site or affiliate link.

    You can create short, informational YouTube videos (2 to 3 mins) about dog behavior problems, and at the end of your video, you tell the viewer to check out a resource in the description below the video that will help them to train their dogs the EASY way (your affiliate link for The Online Dog Trainer).

    In short, you need to create content that draws in your target audience, and then recommend something to them that will help them further.

    So how do you even know what content to create?

    Easy.

    Just buy books/resources on the market/audience you want to serve, and learn something new every day.

    Then take what you learn, and create content based on that.

    For example, if you read a dog training book you bought on Amazon.com, and learned why dogs don't listen to their owners sometimes, create a video on that.

    By learning something new every day, you will NEVER run out of opportunities to create content which brands you as a credible and trusted source of information.

    Also, you will end up becoming truly knowledgeable about your audience, and you will become the expert.

    Regards,
    Daniel
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    • Profile picture of the author Kwits
      I'm sort of seeing why my perspective may be off. All the niche guides/blogs/videos/courses I've looked at suggest creating an authority site and to dominate that niche. Whilst a lot of other people make niche sites without having to do this? I'm getting confused. No matter which way I'm looking at it, I'm always circling back to the the thought of entire communities dedicated to a hobby and they themselves dominating the niche.

      The dog niche for example, to effectively give advice and to create good content, wouldn't I need a dog and to have successfully trained it so that I have experience/knowledge so my content can be high quality?
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  • Profile picture of the author Verdatti
    While it might look that all the websites on the top belong to someone passionate about the industry, some of those websites belong to marketers that outsource the content for example in order to provide the quality and this idea that they are passionate about the industry.

    A good marketer can get in any niche and profit from it. What I'm trying to tell you is that you can go with any niche. It's better if you like the industry and already know something about it. But as along as you're getting in a profitable niche, it can work for you.

    You can try to look for the most profitable products on the affiliate networks and then see which is the most attractive industry for you. You're not limited to just 1 industry in the future, so act and launch your first project Don't get stuck in the research part.

    Best of luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
    Originally Posted by Kwits View Post

    Everyone suggests creating a space for yourself within a niche based on your interests/hobbies, but I quickly learned that I actually have zero hobbies, and my interests are wide but have no depth to them so I can't speak from any sort of experience, knowledge or genuine interest. (who could've guessed niche selection would ignite an identity crisis?)
    Lol, that made me laugh. You will find answers on all sides - go for passion, go where the money is, go for small niches, go for large and evergreen niches, etc. All you REALLY need to be passionate about is starting a successful business in a market where you can compete.

    Take for example the book binding niche, I can setup a site that shows you the whole process, I can re-write on the topic for months based on other peoples content, but I'll never actually be able to show the amount of content real book binding hobbyists have because they're actually doing it, with videos/pictures.
    While they may really enjoy book binding, and there might be some money in that niche, can you ever really scale that niche? If you wanna make it, don't forget a scalable niche option, either ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Marcus W K Wong
    "When you aim for perfection, you discover it's a moving target. ~George Fisher"

    If you've found that niches are filled or flooded with competition, there's a rhyme and a reason. It's a trending niche, and there's money to be made. What you need to discover is a larger problem that hasn't been faced yet.

    For example, I'm super passionate about photography, and finding the perfect bag for all my camera equipment is a mission and a half! I still don't have the perfect bag, I still have 100's of bags made by 100's of brands telling me it's the last bag I'll ever buy for my camera equipment. I've bought all these bags in the last decade, and I still am unsure what "perfect" is, and I'm still searching.

    Whatever it is you're looking for - be it a niche based on your interests, hobbies, or purely for profit, always make sure the clearest part of the picture is WHY you're doing it, then you'll discover HOW you're doing it.

    And as a fun thing, why don't you start with your problem of igniting an identity crisis? haha! Maybe let that fuel your ideas for "finding yourself online" - who knows, the world is your oyster merely caught on your "inter-net."

    - MW
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    • Profile picture of the author madstan
      Wow. I always thought that was a stereotype portrayed by television and various media.

      Originally Posted by WFMarcus View Post

      "When you aim for perfection, you discover it's a moving target. ~George Fisher"

      If you've found that niches are filled or flooded with competition, there's a rhyme and a reason. It's a trending niche, and there's money to be made. What you need to discover is a larger problem that hasn't been faced yet.

      For example, I'm super passionate about photography, and finding the perfect bag for all my camera equipment is a mission and a half! I still don't have the perfect bag, I still have 100's of bags made by 100's of brands telling me it's the last bag I'll ever buy for my camera equipment. I've bought all these bags in the last decade, and I still am unsure what "perfect" is, and I'm still searching.

      Whatever it is you're looking for - be it a niche based on your interests, hobbies, or purely for profit, always make sure the clearest part of the picture is WHY you're doing it, then you'll discover HOW you're doing it.

      And as a fun thing, why don't you start with your problem of igniting an identity crisis? haha! Maybe let that fuel your ideas for "finding yourself online" - who knows, the world is your oyster merely caught on your "inter-net."

      - MW
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  • Profile picture of the author XenG
    If you really want to go for it, just do it. Everything is competition online if you talk about online marketing. The power of choosing a niche that you love would help you endure the competition, IMO, since one way to build your online presence will be your content. You have to be persistent in order to top others. But you have to be smart as well, which means doing the right thing - smart work over hard work.
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  • Profile picture of the author jenifersoflous
    Hi Kwits,

    So You can introduce any niche very interestingly. But you can't go in depth like the passionate people in their Niche. So why not you do a introduction Job ? As your ability Blog every niche. Explain about everything as much as possible. Just introduce every single Interest or hobby (Niche) of others.
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    • Profile picture of the author davismiller097
      Originally Posted by jenifersoflous View Post

      Hi Kwits,

      So You can introduce any niche very interestingly. But you can't go in depth like the passionate people in their Niche. So why not you do a introduction Job ? As your ability Blog every niche. Explain about everything as much as possible. Just introduce every single Interest or hobby (Niche) of others.
      I'm trying this in June 2016 and I have to pay for an AdWords account. Is there any other way to use maybe another keyword tool ?
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      • Profile picture of the author jenifersoflous
        Originally Posted by davismiller097 View Post

        I'm trying this in June 2016 and I have to pay for an AdWords account. Is there any other way to use maybe another keyword tool ?
        No other keyword tool provide the accurate search volumes. but you can use to find new ideas here.

        Keywordshitter.com
        keyword.io/
        ubersuggest.io

        other tools are premium...
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  • Profile picture of the author xnice
    Originally Posted by Kwits View Post

    The situation:
    Everyone suggests creating a space for yourself within a niche based on your interests/hobbies, but I quickly learned that I actually have zero hobbies, and my interests are wide but have no depth to them so I can't speak from any sort of experience, knowledge or genuine interest. (who could've guessed niche selection would ignite an identity crisis?)

    So the alternative is to go find a random niche. Look at amazon, forums, email lists, stumbleupon etc and that's what I did. And I found lots of niches very quickly.

    The problem:
    When I look into these niches, every single one is filled with very passionate people who have had these hobbies for their whole life... So how on earth can it be possible to compete with that? Their websites often involve lots of hands-on stuff and real world examples of their niche with themselves heavily involved.
    You must test and try to find golden niches. No one can tell you exactly how to do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author farichsolos
      Seriously you need to pick one that most interested by yourself. In niche marketing, you need to be specific and specialized. Then you build your master or expertise from there. Don't be discouraged in your attempts in positioning yourself in your niche. Focus and build relationship with others in the group by starting the conversation. Answering questions by providing values will make them feel you as having authority for the subject matter.

      Anyway, you can go literally in any niche (even if you considered it lucrative) but in the end, you need to be specialist to dominate the niche (I mean, micro-niche).
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  • Profile picture of the author Marcus W K Wong
    Hey Kwits!

    How are you going with your scenario? would be great to hear an update after a couple of months and hear what you've learnt in the process
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  • Profile picture of the author James R77
    Good luck. New to this Internet marketing thing myself. Think I have found a niche that I have an interest in and some knowledge but definitely far from being an expert.

    I would say so far a positive of having a niche I have an interest in is that while I am trying to get my head around things like keyword research it helps that at least I know a little bit about the genre I am trying to research - because I know pretty much nothing about keyword research and all the other stuff to come.

    A downside I am hitting of having a niche I am interested in is that a lot of the products on clickbank (which is suggested as the go to place for digital products on the system I am following) do not seem like things I would want to endorse.

    I do not know if I am being too judgmental based on my own knowledge and expectations and if I would be better off experimenting with a niche I am less passionate about (but still interested in) while I try and learn the ropes.
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinaK
    Hi,

    I was struggeling with finding my "passion" too and only recently found it. Know exactly how you feel. Recommend you the book Mastery from Robert Green. It will help you to find your nich. Check it out.
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  • Profile picture of the author StSignal
    You should just pick something and test it out,testing is mother of success because niche is a risky thing maybe something that's actual now might not be actual in 2 hours,or it may be actual for another 20 years.
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  • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
    Been in the product creation, training and coaching space for a long time and have had the benefit of serving as well as working with a lot of top earners.

    Here are some points that may help.

    1. Being an expert is not as important as committing to become an expert - many niche market leaders started with very little expertise but were committed 110% to learning and trying fast which helped them guide their followers as they grew

    2. Practical experience always trumps theoretical...so you should be willing to become 'active' in your market. In any market, you have the heard who "want" to be active but lack confidence, knowledge, hope, self-confidence, etc... You, as niche authority, lead by taking several steps beyond and actual become active. If that's not you...then you want to place yourself between those who are active and those that want to know by being an interviewer, researcher, reporter, etc...where you map expert practice to desire in a marketplace

    3. Your ability to relate, attract and engage your market will go a long way to driving your authority status. There are many people who have expertise in a given area but that lack the social skills/marketing skills to bring that knowledge to a given market. You can have less knowledge, but be a better communicator and easily lead your market

    4. Hard work trumps all. If you have an ounce of knowledge ,an ounce of practical experience and an ounce of communication ability but you have a POUND of drive and discipline then you can win top spot in your marketplace and attract MANY followers along the way

    It is this last point where interest/passion comes into play. Most people are not willing to commit to taking action or have the long-term discipline it takes to build their place in a market around a market or topic that does not interest them.

    So it is important to find a market, a problem, a topic or something about your business that lights a fire in your belly...that makes the entire process of becoming an authority that much more likely and more effective

    Hope that helps
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