Let's Help Each Other Make Money Together. And Stop Bull Crapping Around For A Quick Buck!

People collaborate all the time, and they do it through legal partnerships, LLCs, corporations, and the like.

Finding good business partners by making a bold declaration on a public forum is like going in the middle of a city and shouting, "All you businessmen out there, let's do something great together!"

It won't work, and it will make you look foolish.


"Bull crap" is expecting to make millions by rustling up a bunch of newbies and sharks on a marketing forum.

Dano101, I'm not saying this to antagonize you but to just point out how problematic your proposition (for want of a better word) is.

Regards,
Daniel

Well. I have to agree to Daniel, if we don't want to be looked like a desperate warrior who can't stand against some scams & spams.

The flaw in the OP's thinking is that I have lots of creative ability. I also have plenty of
money. I have no need to give someone half my business to do SEO. I can hire plenty of them.

Marketing is a business... not a social program.

Lets all Sing kumbaya and play lion king reruns.

I also agree with Daniel and have actually written a couple blog posts on this topic. I think there are good partners out there, you just have to find them. Also, I agree that we send too many chasing after millions in a one month dash. This is a business just like any other. It takes time, discipline and persistence.

Team work can go a long way, but both sides need to offer something of value, or at the very least, work well together.

In all honesty. Look at Mark Zuckerberg. He took a MySpace platform and turned it in to Facebook.

Yes. A college kid did this. Now I'm sure Zuckerberg probably seen bull crap internet ads about top seo rankings.


But just imagine that you tried to sell Zuckerberg number 1 on the serps for $20. Lol.

I'm sure you will be saying that instead of selling Zuckerberg anything. I just should have joined forces with him early and now be worth 8 figures.

You're not qualified. He surrounds himself with highly motivated, self-starters.

Do you think this is the first of these "let's all work together" posts we've seen? You're looking for a free ride on other peoples' talent and experience because you have none of your own.

Good luck with that.

Put in the work and investment and sacrifice like all the rest of us individuals have.

It definitely does not take a village.

Hey Dano,

Successful product creators (maybe 2% of the members here) have already mastered this...


They set their products up with an affiliate program, and then recruit affiliates (the other 98% of the members here). There are also a lot of product creators who do NOT frequent this forum, but still recruit affiliate marketers to promote their products.

As you said, "joining forces" is key to making this work, and as I said, recruiting affiliates is a necessary step in making that happen.


If you have a product(s) that you want to "join forces" with others on, there are a number of places to advertise your affiliate program - one of which is the Affiliate Program Database right here on the Warrior Forum.

Should have known someone was going to come and self-promote.

Perfect opportunity to sucker someone into a failing money-making scheme.

Watch your P-M baukz too OP.

I think in the same buddy

This is called "becoming peers with those already in the market."

It's easy to do.

Here, you can simply answer questions that are always asked to help build up your reputation....

On FB, you can join groups like

https://www.facebook.com/groups/jvzoo/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/jvfocus/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/jvkingdom/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/190026331177076/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/OMMProductcreationlab/

and network with product creators there....

Or join groups like

https://www.facebook.com/groups/theiminsidetrack/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/bizbloggingbuzz/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1009074692442562/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/perkingupprofits/

and network with marketers there.

It takes time but is very easy to implement.

An interviewer once asked Dave Barry why he was so successful while nearly every other humor writer on the planet couldn't get a single article published.

His brutal answer was that most would-be humor authors just aren't funny.

It's the same with most product creators out there in the online marketing world. They think their product is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but in fact it is crap.

And, so many marketers KNOW it's crap and still sell it like it's the second coming of Product Launch Formula.

So, when a relatively unknown person says, "Hey, help me get this awesome product off the ground and we'll all get rich!" The natural response is massive skepticism.

I'm not saying you can't do it that way--you've given some great physical product examples--but, I've never seen it happen that way in the online marketing world.

As others have already suggested, why not do essentially the same thing with JV/affiliates?

Heck... why not create a sub-product, grab a copy of Sid's RAP and build your own village? I know of several online marketers that started that way and are now millionaires.

Working together exists in IM, you only need look at Kern, Walker, Singh etc to see this. They plan out launches and in Kern's word form a 'cartel'.

Whether people do this further down the ladder I don't know but as a concept it's not unique.

Looking at some of the posts on here there are people I wouldn't want anything to do with as their philosophy is against my own. A lot of people rise to the top by stabbing others in the back (you can even argue zuckerberg) and I ain't got the energy for sleeping with one eye open.

Dano, I think this is where your post went off the rails.

It sounds like a pitch, much like many of the threads that say "let's help each other" and really mean "you all help me."

So let me flip this on you...

State what you bring to the table, and what you need to make millions...

There are a couple sub-forums on here dedicated to partnerships and jvs. You have the warriors joint venture section, the warriors for hire section, and the wanted members looking to hire you section.

You are assuming the person really did have $20k to invest.... A lot of the questions asked end up being "what if" or conjecture - though I'll agree the answers leave a lot to be desired, too.

There are many here wanting to get started and some do form groups to help each other....

Local Meetups, Mastermind Groups and Warrior Events

Check out the section and see if there is a group for your location - if not, why don't you start one? You might get a good response and be able to form your own team or working group.

John made a good point. Those who are successful are busy and time is valuable. For a group to succeed, everyone must have something to contribute. Otherwise you have a mentoring situation and not everyone has the inclination to do that.



Right - because the OP would not have any interest in advice from someone who is known as a highly successful affiliate marketer....right? Much better to have snarky comments to agree with....

The first thing to do on this forum - is read long enough to recognize the patterns and the players....just sayin'...

Mike, he made a statement telling people to post what they had to offer and what they needed. He failed to do so himself.

Did it occur to you that he may have had something worthwhile to offer to start his ball rolling?

That aside, you kind of proved my point. There's pretty much no way to comply with his request within the rules of the forum. It's easy to say "let's cut the crap and help each other" and harder to put that into practice, especially the way it was phrased.

You seem to baiting people - expecting them to come back at you. You've started 4 threads and each one seems to be an 'in your face' or "you may not like this, but".

This is how you start threads :

Yet when someone calls you on the attitude you seem like a reasonable person. Maybe you're trying too hard?

Mike -

I realize it doesn't matter what a few of us post - you will argue and dismiss it. That's fine...we're used to it by now.

My point is this:

When you've been a member for a little over a week - and started four threads of a similar construction....having someone point out the similarities could be a good thing for you. Just a comment from one of the "village" people.

If I didn't think the OP was worth it - I wouldn't bother.

Just read the OP's latest comments above - never mind, not worth it after all.

I was turned off by your original post because I don't believe this statement you made is true at all. SEO is one strategy if you rely on the search engines (which you don't have to in order to be successful). And to be honest, outside financial backing for ads is also NOT necessary.

So right out of the gate, you have convinced me that you don't understand what you're talking about.

You talk about about "billions" and "millions" as if that's your focus. It's not mine - never has been. I could care less about such lofty aspirations.


Again, Dano, you are not telling the truth . . . and I am evidence that a solo Internet business operator can be profitable online without taking on partners or asking for backing from others. I am proof that you don't need that if you set up a good selling system.


Taking on partners is fine for some; and it's especially enticing for those who haven't been successful in the past or who have nothing to bring to the party. Some of us, however, have worked hard to set up a system specifically so that we can avoid the often difficult entanglements that come with partners. I am doing great on my own by design, and that's my choice as the business owner, is it not?


Why should I trust you or any other person that simply wants to be a partner? You have already shown me that you don't understand Internet business or the principle of solo business ownership.

I choose to help others by participating in this forum with good solid comments and answers to other people's questions. But to suggest that I should go farther and take on partners in my business when that is not how I choose to run my business is a bit pushy, don't you think?

Minding my own business,

Steve

Sorry, I couldn't resist

OK. Let's "stop the bull crap". You're the one who came looking.

So the first question is (which you haven't answered)...

What do YOU have to "bring to the table".

The burden lies on you, not others.

You're not going to find potential partners by saying,

"I want partners, what do YOU have for ME".

It doesn't work that way.

Well, I just went back an re-read your OP. I got one of 2 things from it.

1. I have nothing, what do you have for me.

or

2. I have SEO skills and financial backing. Tell me what you have and I will supply these to you (in partnership/JV of sorts), if I feel your product is worthy.

If I am right about #1, good luck.

If I am right about #2, you need to post in the JV section.

If I am wrong about both, again good luck. Next time, try conveying your thoughts better. If English is not your fist language, that's fine, but you can't expect others to understand what you're writing if it's not written in an intelligible manner (no offense meant, I'm just giving constructive criticism ).

We have a saying - if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

My version is, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it might not be a duck. But that's the smart way to bet.

You, my friend, sounded very duck-y in your original post. Especially with bits like referring to a product that you know would make humongous sales and millions of dollars if you only had the skills and financial backing. And finishing up with 'quit the bullcrap' wasn't ideal for someone looking to make a point.

It just sounded like one of the many whiny rants going around the main board these days.

Marketing is a business... not a social program. Agree

The only "malarkey" on this thread is from you and Dano. The only difference is one is more intelligible than the other.

We'll just have to agree to disagree (man I hate when other people say that, but there is no arguing with one-treack-minders).

Dano

Understand this a lot of the long term Warriors have left and the ones who do have the knowledge have answered in this thread , now writing this there have been a lot of BS threads like this over the years now I and I am not saying yours is but when a Warrior
has been here for a couple of months and not contributed to the forum a lot of peoples BS meters go off

That is why you get a lot of negativity , you are not the first nor the last that get this type of treatment it is just we a looking out for the newbies in some cases.

Jason

Dano

Have you heard of the Village Idiot well for your village is that it could be full of them , getting a whole lot of persons to be a village I get but the newbies who come on here have not a clue about MMO /IM

There was thread about 2 months ago where is was put that we should help the Warrior as we were rich and had too much money! and this Warrior wanted a person to make the website and product sell it for him and then give him the money lol needless to say the thread last 2 hours but got trolled to death.

I think you need to look at other ways to get others to listen to you even though you were only asking theoretically If you were to go down this path you will have some asking how to do it ( blog/wsite/FB/YT etc etc )

Hello guys,

Im new member here in this forum, plz could you advice me from where i can start, or the first lessons should i learn in how making money. Thanks in advanced for your help.

I think this thread has turned into an argument of a flawed premise. Some seem to be arguing that affiliates and JVs are actually partners. They are not. They are basically employees. We may like to call them our partners but if they do not perform they do not get paid. Whereas, a business partner would get paid no matter what.

Why would we want to take on all these partners as the OP suggested? Think of it in terms of the real world. If you open up a restaurant and someone is a great cook you hire them and give them a decent wage, but you don't make them a partner. On the other hand, if this person turns out to be a great chef and you have a lot of people visiting your restaurant because of this person, then it might make business sense to offer a partnership to this person.

The same is true for our online businesses. Why would I want to take the person who does SCO on as a partner? The same holds true for the person who does my logo, or the person I might hire from fiverr or to do a voiceover on a video, should all these people now be entitled to a percentage of my business? I don't think so.

People provide services for everything we need to conduct our online business, and we pay them for those services. If I pay you to do SEO and you do not perform I can easily find another person to provide this service. If, on the other hand, you are my business partner it could prove really difficult getting rid of you.

Socialism, and that's what you're suggesting in the OP, fails every time it is tried.

al

Meanwhile the track record on dodging , ducking and evasion continues

Anyone here NOT scared to answer the question posed from page one when you all started this nonsense attack on the OP?


How is a JV any different? You going to do some mental gymnastics to claim thats not a partnership of some kind? or are you going to claim JVs are not a part of IM because no good marketer would ever do them?

If someone is going to answer this please give me the heads up ....so I can get some popcorn....because this thread has been very enlightening. Rather than the newbs not knowing anything and being silly I see a whole lot of oldtime WF members arguing totally irrationally like they don't even know IM marketing.

ahem maybe we need more newbs on WF not less.

I think in the same buddy

Thank for your post it really useful and i get some ideas from this. Hope you successful

Yeah.. Having a group of people to support each other will be a huge advantage..our products must be able to help people in various needs and at the same time making money for all of us.. i'm currently doing usana, the best supplement ever..been helping quite a people from high blood pressure to diabetes to slimming..i'll post my webpage later on.. Thanks

Well you know you have to start somewhere. Maybe the idea is just not polished yet.

Let's face it, if somebody got on Warrior Forum not that long ago and said ..

Come on people! Yes you are professional designers and get paid the big bucks but why not sell your services for only $5 and you really only get $4 of that after the fee so Who's With Me?!!!!

Somebody at Fiverr actually gave that pitch and what happened?

That's true up to a point. You need good quality traffic for your product to be a success, but your odds are better if the product IS a good one.

Well, again, true to a point. SEO or financial backing certainly helps, but there are other ways... and it takes way more than that to be a millionaire.

So without rehashing all the "definitions" of collaboration, partnerships, etc. that have already been touched on in this thread, let me take a stab from my own experiences.

First, I am assuming you mean for people here to get together and create a business. Everyone who takes part is an equal partner, etc. Is that right?

As also stated, this has been tried many times here on the WF. I took part in a few myself going back about 10 years. Here's how it turned out every time (and most likely will again):

- An organizer will get the ball rolling, looking for participants. This person will collect names, emails and a description of each person's potential contribution.

- There will be some discussion - probably via the forum - about the best way to meet. Some will want Skype, some will want email, and some will want a private forum. Your first "disagreement" (and trust me - there WILL be a disagreement on this, silly as that may seem) - and things haven't even started.

- Finally the majority will rule and you will meet on the decided upon meeting platform. This first meeting will likely be the "meet and greet" meeting so people can get to know each other. Personalities will already start to emerge.

- Next will come the ideas discussion. What can we build? Who will build what? Who can do SEO? Who can code? Who can build a website? And of course, eventually, there will be discussions on which of these "skills" will be the most valuable.

- If the project actually gets past this initial stage, you will run into obstacle after obstacle - none of the obstacles will have anything to do with the actual creation of the product. It will revolve around things like who's doing more than their share, who hasn't been showing to the weekly meetings, and the big one - who wants to contribute some $$ to the project for things like hosting, templates, or whatever.

- There will be factions. People will split off into groups and talk about why the "other group" is hampering progress.

- Eventually, the project will crumble. There will be hard feelings, etc. And you have just wasted time. Maybe a lot.

This experience (in a nutshell) is pretty much went down every time it was tried. Maybe this worked for some, but if it did, I personally didn't hear of it.

Now, partnerships... they work. But in this business they work better when you know the person(s).

For example, also about 10 years ago I had a partner in my I.M. business. We meet at a Warrior Lunch. We got to talking about who we were, etc. Then we met again at another Warrior Lunch. Before we knew it we were business partners. Each of us brought something the other didn't have. He had the creativity and I had the technical mind.

We made a LOT of money together.

Bottom line for ME is if I ever decide to work with partners, I will NEVER come to a forum and get involved in something like what you SEEM to be proposing ever again. They don't work. You would be better off simply hiring the help you need to create your product and then use affiliates and JV partners to help launch it. Everyone knows where they stand - service provided for a financial return.

That's my thought. Of course, if I misunderstood your post - then ignore my response

Hi Dano101, I just joined this forum 2 minutes ago and this is the first post I have read. On the back of my business card is a quote from Zig Ziglar. "You can have everything you want in life, if you just help enough other people get what they want!" I am trying to live by these words. I just joined an online shopping company that shares the profit back to the associates instead of the "big box" and online giants keeping all of the profit. It's called a "Compensated Marketplace."

Ever heard of venture capitalists?

I think i've learnt alot from these post. Thumps up to op