Let's Help Each Other Make Money Together. And Stop Bull Crapping Around For A Quick Buck!

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Okay. I mean no harm. But it doesn't matter if you have the best product in the entire world with the best price.

Because if you do not have seo or financial backing for ads. Then your billion dollar potential means nothing.

The same goes for those seo professionals and big ad budget individuals that are still not millionaires.

It takes a village people. So you have a new product that is guaranteed to make humongous sales if your finances and time and seo knowledge allowed it while you are still dealing with everyday life.

And you have the seo or human traffic service or money that is guaranteed to get anyone #1 on the serps.

Okay great. So why not join forces and make millions. Why sell a seo #1 system to rank #1 for $10. When you can just collaborate with folks that have their products down pact but don't have the funds or know how or time or patience to follow through.

If we all stick together; We can all make money.


So let's help each other help each other. Now of course that means you have to trust the person that you collaborate with for free. But there are plenty of ways to make sure that no one is getting cheated.

So if anyone wants to work together. Then state what you bring to the table and what you need to make millions.

And let's stop the bull crap.
#buck #bull #crapping #quick #stop
  • Profile picture of the author danieldesai
    Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

    So let's help each other help each other. Now of course that means you have to trust the person that you collaborate with for free. But there are plenty of ways to make sure that no one is getting cheated.
    People collaborate all the time, and they do it through legal partnerships, LLCs, corporations, and the like.

    Finding good business partners by making a bold declaration on a public forum is like going in the middle of a city and shouting, "All you businessmen out there, let's do something great together!"

    It won't work, and it will make you look foolish.


    Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

    So if anyone wants to work together. Then state what you bring to the table and what you need to make millions.

    And let's stop the bull crap.
    "Bull crap" is expecting to make millions by rustling up a bunch of newbies and sharks on a marketing forum.

    Dano101, I'm not saying this to antagonize you but to just point out how problematic your proposition (for want of a better word) is.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
      Originally Posted by danieldesai View Post

      ...rustling up a bunch of newbies and sharks on a marketing forum.
      Mmmm, that's a tad brutal. You know, we're right here listening.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by danieldesai View Post

      "Bull crap" is expecting to make millions by rustling up a bunch of newbies and sharks on a marketing forum.

      Thats kind of funny though Daniel. You are in this thread and so are a few other what I would think are people who think they are experienced so how does that point not fall apart?

      Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post


      As you said, "joining forces" is key to making this work, and as I said, recruiting affiliates is a necessary step in making that happen.
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      Which is why I don;t get why supposedly seasoned marketers are claiming otherwise. Most successful marketers particularly in MMO use a village.
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    Well. I have to agree to Daniel, if we don't want to be looked like a desperate warrior who can't stand against some scams & spams.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    The flaw in the OP's thinking is that I have lots of creative ability. I also have plenty of
    money. I have no need to give someone half my business to do SEO. I can hire plenty of them.

    Marketing is a business... not a social program.
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    • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      Marketing is a business... not a social program.
      Do you mind if i make this my company slogan?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

        Do you mind if i make this my company slogan?

        Will you be making that your slogan while advertising your SOCIAL network page too like TS?


        lol......some funny stuff in this thread
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

        Do you mind if i make this my company slogan?
        Feel free!
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    Lets all Sing kumbaya and play lion king reruns.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dano101
      Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

      Lets all Sing kumbaya and play lion king reruns.
      Lmao. You guys never knew the original investors of Kirby vacuum cleaners. Nor investors of Commodore computers. Nor investors of beepers. Nor investors of the cd players nor investors of anything that made billions.

      It takes a village folks.

      I'm just surprised that some rather sell you a number 1 serp ranking for $10. When you may have the next and brand new holographic 5d tv on hand for a $10k net profit per sale.

      So laugh about joining forces if you want.

      But the maker of the cd player or walmart or the internet or whatever needed financial help and seo help as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author danieldesai
        Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

        I'm just surprised that some rather sell you a number 1 serp ranking for $10.
        I hope you know that's not actually possible.

        These "guaranteed" search rankings don't exist, it's just a "service" that people offer to those who are ignorant to how Google and other search engines work.

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post


        So laugh about joining forces if you want.

        But the maker of the cd player or walmart or the internet or whatever needed financial help and seo help as well.
        Ignore them. In General and in principle there is nothing wrong with your OP. All you did was reach out publicly whereas on this forum people have done the same through PM and JVs for years.

        Now your general idea lacks some details that need to be filled in

        What kind of ideas make the cut?
        skillset of people involved?
        a system that rewards those who participate and leaves free loaders high and dry
        and eliminating the idea of free (having no skin in the game attracts nothing but the lazy and untalented,
        lso nixing the idea of someone directly funding anything (support can be financial but indirect - full partnerships are horrible risks with unknowns)

        With that theres nothing foolish or off about your OP. I took it you wanted it to be the beginning of a discussion and find nothing wrong with the sentiment in general.

        I think its just become ego sport for the older timers to dump on new people.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

        Lmao. You guys never knew the original investors of Kirby vacuum cleaners. Nor investors of Commodore computers. Nor investors of beepers. Nor investors of the cd players nor investors of anything that made billions.

        It takes a village folks.
        You mistake investors for operational partners.

        I'll be happy to let you invest in some of my projects. You give me money
        in exchange for a fair return on investment. But that doesn't mean I want or need
        you anywhere near the actual process.

        No smart business owner gives up equity in his business when he can
        hire the talent needed to bring the concept to market successfully.

        You're free to do as you please but don't pretend for a moment that
        your idea is the path to financial success.

        It isn't.

        If you ever get some workers to partner up with you you'll eventually
        learn that lesson the hard way. Very few partnerships don't end badly.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post


          I'll be happy to let you invest in some of my projects. You give me money
          in exchange for a fair return on investment. But that doesn't mean I want or need
          you anywhere near the actual process.

          No smart business owner gives up equity in his business when he can
          hire the talent needed to bring the concept to market successfully.
          We have two startups in development with one to start developing by the third quarter. NO smart investor or venture capitalist would give you a dime with an attitude like that. Theres a whole lot of chest thumping in this thread but not a whole lot of business knowledge.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Theres a whole lot of chest thumping in this thread but not a whole lot of business knowledge.

            ...said the kettle to the pot
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          • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            We have two startups in development with one to start developing by the third quarter. NO smart investor or venture capitalist would give you a dime with an attitude like that. Theres a whole lot of chest thumping in this thread but not a whole lot of business knowledge.
            That may be the dumbest thing you've ever posted on this forum. Please introduce me to a smart businessperson whose first choice would be to give up equity when competent people can be hired to do the job. My guess is I've been in business longer than you've been alive and I've never met one... and I've accomplished a whole lot of projects both with and without investor partners.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

              That may be the dumbest thing you've ever posted on this forum. Please introduce me to a smart businessperson whose first choice would be to give up equity when competent people can be hired to do the job.
              Considering whose giving the evaluation of whats dumb I am hardly impressed (you should see the view from over here). but be my guest go and tell a venture capitalist what you wrote

              "I'll be happy to let you invest in some of my projects. You give me money
              in exchange for a fair return on investment. But that doesn't mean I want or need
              you anywhere near the actual process."

              because THAT attitude is what i said shows you don't know business very well - nothing about giving up equity over hiring as you now try to fudge.

              which idiot investor is going to lend money to someone who says "keep far away from monitoring me while I have your money". Where in the world did you learn business and finance? Disney World?

              My guess is I've been in business longer than you've been alive .
              My guess is you are going for the World Guiness record of how many times you can be wrong in a row. I like your chances. Save the chest thumping and delusions of grandeur for the newbs. They might buy it - MAYBE.

              both with and without investor partners.
              and there we have it. According to Al your own admission of being a socialist like the OP

              Ain't that something? - Railing against partnerships the OP allegedly suggested only to admit later you have been in partnerships. thread keeps getting funnier and funnier.


              P.S, Good luck with the non social program in your sig

              The hilarity never ends,
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              • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Considering whose giving the evaluation of whats dumb I am hardly impressed (you should see the view from over here). but be my guest go and tell a venture capitalist what you wrote

                "I'll be happy to let you invest in some of my projects. You give me money
                in exchange for a fair return on investment. But that doesn't mean I want or need
                you anywhere near the actual process."

                because THAT attitude is what i said shows you don't know business very well - nothing about giving up equity over hiring as you now try to fudge.

                which idiot investor is going to lend money to someone who says "keep far away from monitoring me while I have your money". Where in the world did you learn business and finance? Disney World?
                Imagine how much smarter you might look if you understood the word context. What the hell does any of that have to do with the context of this thread. And where did I say I gave a damn about whether this fool... to whom the comment you cite was specifically addressed... would lend me anything?

                I didn't of course... and you might want to brush up on the difference between lending money and investing money before you purport to offer financial advice to anyone.

                Oh... do you own any stock? If so, did you invest that money hoping for return or lend that money based on a promise to repay with a specific interest rate? Do those companies invite you to involve yourself in the operation of their businesses?

                You're dumber than a rock on this subject... and even the newbs can see that.


                and there we have it. According to Al your own admission of being a socialist like the OP

                Ain't that something? - Railing against partnerships the OP allegedly suggested only to admit later you have been in partnerships. thread keeps getting funnier and funnier.
                And now you think that taking on investors is the same as anything the OP described.... amusing.


                P.S, Good luck with the non social program in your sig

                The hilarity never ends,
                No luck involved... the non social program in my sig has substantial business in 42 states within the U.S. as well as 3 foreign countries. It produces more residual income in a month than you likely earned last year.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                  Imagine how much smarter you might look if you understood the word context.
                  Consider how much smarter you might be if you realized I already am smart enough to know only smart people can recognize smartness anyway.

                  And where did I say I gave a damn about whether this fool...
                  and now you are sounding so smart calling people fools eh?

                  You're dumber than a rock on this subject... and even the newbs can see that.
                  Oh the newbs can see a lot of things. They're even smart enough to know name calling is a sign of an underdeveloped vocab

                  No luck involved... the non social program in my sig has substantial business in 42 states within the U.S. as well as 3 foreign countries..
                  lol....earth to TS. Your link is to a facebook page. ahem Facebook is a SOCIAL network. so you are using a social network relying on the backing of others to like, share and help promote your site for you. Claiming business does not involve a social program while relying on a social system to market your business is just rank foolishness. So you are in no position whatsoever to name call anyone a fool.

                  Please go and learn what social networking involves and come back when you are ready to make a good point.

                  If the senior people here are supposed to be the ones teaching the no nothing newbs and one doesn't even understand whats happening with social marketing maybe its time for the seniors to take a look in the mirror and realize maybe they have some ignorance issues too and should stop blaming new people for everything..
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  • Profile picture of the author Bob Svetz
    I also agree with Daniel and have actually written a couple blog posts on this topic. I think there are good partners out there, you just have to find them. Also, I agree that we send too many chasing after millions in a one month dash. This is a business just like any other. It takes time, discipline and persistence.
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  • Profile picture of the author dana67
    Team work can go a long way, but both sides need to offer something of value, or at the very least, work well together.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dano101
    In all honesty. Look at Mark Zuckerberg. He took a MySpace platform and turned it in to Facebook.

    Yes. A college kid did this. Now I'm sure Zuckerberg probably seen bull crap internet ads about top seo rankings.


    But just imagine that you tried to sell Zuckerberg number 1 on the serps for $20. Lol.

    I'm sure you will be saying that instead of selling Zuckerberg anything. I just should have joined forces with him early and now be worth 8 figures.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    I just should have joined forces with him early and now be worth 8 figures.
    You're not qualified. He surrounds himself with highly motivated, self-starters.

    Do you think this is the first of these "let's all work together" posts we've seen? You're looking for a free ride on other peoples' talent and experience because you have none of your own.

    Good luck with that.

    Put in the work and investment and sacrifice like all the rest of us individuals have.

    It definitely does not take a village.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dano101
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      You're not qualified. He surrounds himself with highly motivated, self-starters.

      Do you think this is the first of these "let's all work together" posts we've seen? You're looking for a free ride on other peoples' talent and experience because you have none of your own.

      Good luck with that.

      Put in the work and investment and sacrifice like all the rest of us individuals have.

      It definitely does not take a village.
      Lmao. Did I particularly ask anyone for squat. Or did I just say that dudes should start joining forces.

      So let's say you have a secret for getting any website ranked number 1. But you will sell this service for $20.

      Well if your service was true. Than obviously you don't see the big picture if you are selling for $10 to any schmoe that happens to have $10.

      But once again. This thread is about possible unity for all and not just some selfish bs. And I'm sorry for starting a similar threads as the 1000s before me.

      I guess all threads are brand new and original and never been mentioned before ever?

      Btw. I haven't asked for any personal help for what I do. So I don't see why you think I selfishly brought up this thread. You act like I'm starting a go fund me. Or like I asked anybody for squat.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
    Hey Dano,

    Successful product creators (maybe 2% of the members here) have already mastered this...


    Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

    Okay great. So why not join forces and make millions. Why sell a seo #1 system to rank #1 for $10. When you can just collaborate with folks that have their products down pact but don't have the funds or know how or time or patience to follow through.
    They set their products up with an affiliate program, and then recruit affiliates (the other 98% of the members here). There are also a lot of product creators who do NOT frequent this forum, but still recruit affiliate marketers to promote their products.

    As you said, "joining forces" is key to making this work, and as I said, recruiting affiliates is a necessary step in making that happen.


    So let's help each other help each other. Now of course that means you have to trust the person that you collaborate with for free. But there are plenty of ways to make sure that no one is getting cheated.

    So if anyone wants to work together. Then state what you bring to the table and what you need to make millions.
    If you have a product(s) that you want to "join forces" with others on, there are a number of places to advertise your affiliate program - one of which is the Affiliate Program Database right here on the Warrior Forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
    Should have known someone was going to come and self-promote.

    Perfect opportunity to sucker someone into a failing money-making scheme.

    Watch your P-M baukz too OP.
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    I think in the same buddy
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    This is called "becoming peers with those already in the market."

    It's easy to do.

    Here, you can simply answer questions that are always asked to help build up your reputation....

    On FB, you can join groups like

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/jvzoo/
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/jvfocus/
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/jvkingdom/
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/190026331177076/
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/OMMProductcreationlab/

    and network with product creators there....

    Or join groups like

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/theiminsidetrack/
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/bizbloggingbuzz/
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1009074692442562/
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/perkingupprofits/

    and network with marketers there.

    It takes time but is very easy to implement.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeadRooster
    An interviewer once asked Dave Barry why he was so successful while nearly every other humor writer on the planet couldn't get a single article published.

    His brutal answer was that most would-be humor authors just aren't funny.

    It's the same with most product creators out there in the online marketing world. They think their product is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but in fact it is crap.

    And, so many marketers KNOW it's crap and still sell it like it's the second coming of Product Launch Formula.

    So, when a relatively unknown person says, "Hey, help me get this awesome product off the ground and we'll all get rich!" The natural response is massive skepticism.

    I'm not saying you can't do it that way--you've given some great physical product examples--but, I've never seen it happen that way in the online marketing world.

    As others have already suggested, why not do essentially the same thing with JV/affiliates?

    Heck... why not create a sub-product, grab a copy of Sid's RAP and build your own village? I know of several online marketers that started that way and are now millionaires.
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  • Profile picture of the author davejarvys
    Working together exists in IM, you only need look at Kern, Walker, Singh etc to see this. They plan out launches and in Kern's word form a 'cartel'.

    Whether people do this further down the ladder I don't know but as a concept it's not unique.

    Looking at some of the posts on here there are people I wouldn't want anything to do with as their philosophy is against my own. A lot of people rise to the top by stabbing others in the back (you can even argue zuckerberg) and I ain't got the energy for sleeping with one eye open.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post


    So if anyone wants to work together. Then state what you bring to the table and what you need to make millions.
    Dano, I think this is where your post went off the rails.

    It sounds like a pitch, much like many of the threads that say "let's help each other" and really mean "you all help me."

    So let me flip this on you...

    State what you bring to the table, and what you need to make millions...
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    • Profile picture of the author Dano101
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      Dano, I think this is where your post went off the rails.

      It sounds like a pitch, much like many of the threads that say "let's help each other" and really mean "you all help me."

      So let me flip this on you...

      State what you bring to the table, and what you need to make millions...
      Lol. I'm not here to spam. I'm just here to meet like minded folks. I guess what sets me off is some poor guy saying they have 20k to invest in a dating site or something. And then the sharks come out and try to milk him for all he has. Instead of being sincere and honest about the probabilities.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      Dano, I think this is where your post went off the rails.

      It sounds like a pitch, much like many of the threads that say "let's help each other" and really mean "you all help me."

      So let me flip this on you...

      State what you bring to the table, and what you need to make millions...
      ????

      how will him doing that NOT be a pitch for "you all help me"???

      his post was more asking others to be helped than that proposal..
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  • Profile picture of the author Trey Morgan
    There are a couple sub-forums on here dedicated to partnerships and jvs. You have the warriors joint venture section, the warriors for hire section, and the wanted members looking to hire you section.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    You are assuming the person really did have $20k to invest.... A lot of the questions asked end up being "what if" or conjecture - though I'll agree the answers leave a lot to be desired, too.

    There are many here wanting to get started and some do form groups to help each other....

    Local Meetups, Mastermind Groups and Warrior Events

    Check out the section and see if there is a group for your location - if not, why don't you start one? You might get a good response and be able to form your own team or working group.

    John made a good point. Those who are successful are busy and time is valuable. For a group to succeed, everyone must have something to contribute. Otherwise you have a mentoring situation and not everyone has the inclination to do that.



    Should have known someone was going to come and self-promote.
    Right - because the OP would not have any interest in advice from someone who is known as a highly successful affiliate marketer....right? Much better to have snarky comments to agree with....

    The first thing to do on this forum - is read long enough to recognize the patterns and the players....just sayin'...
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

    ????

    how will him doing that NOT be a pitch for "you all help me"???

    his post was more asking others to be helped than that proposal..
    Mike, he made a statement telling people to post what they had to offer and what they needed. He failed to do so himself.

    Did it occur to you that he may have had something worthwhile to offer to start his ball rolling?

    That aside, you kind of proved my point. There's pretty much no way to comply with his request within the rules of the forum. It's easy to say "let's cut the crap and help each other" and harder to put that into practice, especially the way it was phrased.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dano101
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      Mike, he made a statement telling people to post what they had to offer and what they needed. He failed to do so himself.

      Did it occur to you that he may have had something worthwhile to offer to start his ball rolling?

      That aside, you kind of proved my point. There's pretty much no way to comply with his request within the rules of the forum. It's easy to say "let's cut the crap and help each other" and harder to put that into practice, especially the way it was phrased.
      Because after reading some comments; It became quite obvious that some were waiting for a drum roll spam moment on my behalf. Lol.

      So I simply avoided the foreseeable intent of some and just decided to focus on the IDEA on the why it's the every man for himself aspect when people can just work together.

      That is all my friend.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

        Because after reading some comments; It became quite obvious that some were waiting for a drum roll spam moment on my behalf. Lol.
        YEP!! thought the same but didn't say it. You were damned if you did and damned if you didn't and if right now you track out an idea of your own odds are pretty good that someone would be along to say - "see thats why he started it - just to help himself like we thought".
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      Mike, he made a statement telling people to post what they had to offer and what they needed. He failed to do so himself.
      countless threads have been started up over the years where the OP is facilitating a discussion without having something themselves to push - ummm precisely because they didn't want to start a thread saying "please help me"

      Did it occur to you that he may have had something worthwhile to offer to start his ball rolling?
      sure and i bet it occurred to anyone with half a brain (save the condescension for the newbs John - wont work on me ). but again that would have been even more "please help me"


      That aside, you kind of proved my point
      You are dreaming there. A few of you derail the thread telling him he has gone of the rails so it proves your point? That's convenient.

      There's pretty much no way to comply with his request within the rules of the forum. It's easy to say "let's cut the crap and help each other" and harder to put that into practice, especially the way it was phrased.
      Well if you feel its against the rules in this section then you could simply tell him to move it to the JV section but i have seen people ask how to market things in this section and theres even a guy talking about a site he wishes to sell which could be construed as advertising its sale in another thread right now up here.

      Meanwhile I have been in discussion with a guy on here that did a pretty good Google places training video, another one that has an inspiration series and one that has a social traffic app all with pretty good ideas. So impossible? Nope and As far as I know I am breaking no rules - none of them are my products and I am an affiliate for no one.

      Their common denominator? - good products but don't know how to get eyeballs, JVs and are hitting traffic issues. I can tell you this - one definitely blows the socks off most WSOs, the other I think does the same but more debatable.

      You know what I have found? Go through the WSOs here that got little traction and you realize the quality is pretty high - I think higher than what gets traction - perhaps too reasonable and honest about requiring work - so don't hit the hype factor.

      Maybe if there were a community that rewarded good products with support then we'd stop having trash and not a single real innovation made in IM for years.

      So the guy starts a thread saying hey maybe if an idea is good enough then ahem "Warriors can help warriors". Only perhaps legit complaint is that it should be in the JV section but nah the seniors get going on the OP and they are even (not You John..never saw you in that) starting threads downstairs mocking him.

      guess none of them know what a JV is because despite the "phrasing" its exactly the same general idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    You seem to baiting people - expecting them to come back at you. You've started 4 threads and each one seems to be an 'in your face' or "you may not like this, but".

    This is how you start threads :

    Ok. I'm tired of some scam services throughout the internet that will sell 1 million people a dream of ranking #1 on google for only $5.
    ---
    Okay. First post and first thread. But I'm pissed off. I will now tell you why.
    Google, Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, Reddit, Yahoo, Backpage and many others are very strict on advertising penis enlargement products.
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    Ghost Advertising Platforms Are Bull Crap.
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    Stop Bull Crapping Around For A Quick Buck!
    Yet when someone calls you on the attitude you seem like a reasonable person. Maybe you're trying too hard?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


      This is how you start threads :
      That might have been a rational point if the thread you are now posting in actually started out that way. The fact that you had to go to other threads to make the point here is pretty revealing that you can't make the point you are making in this thread. So why try so hard?

      Meanwhile....Egads! how dare we have someone come along every now and again upset at all the get rich quick MMO stuff being pushed to the pubic.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dano101
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        That might have been a rational point if the thread you are now posting in actually started out that way. The fact that you had to go to other threads to make the point here is pretty revealing that you can't make the point you are making in this thread. So why try so hard?

        Meanwhile....Egads! how dare we have someone come along every now and again upset at all the get rich quick MMO stuff being pushed to the pubic.
        Thanks M.A. Those threads Kay mentioned were venting threads. But she didn't hesitate to pile it on in a thread that has nothing to do with venting threads that I let die down after my venting was over. So I guess people will bring up a person's private messages as well if they feel it's warranted.

        2 years of trying to build something for the sake of establishing something can occasionally cause someone to vent after getting caught up in various catch 22 situations.

        But you are right. The joint ventures section would be a better spot to have a chance to find those whom have the mindset of venturing together without the let me sell you xyz hoohrah. Thanks Mike.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Mike -

    I realize it doesn't matter what a few of us post - you will argue and dismiss it. That's fine...we're used to it by now.

    My point is this:

    When you've been a member for a little over a week - and started four threads of a similar construction....having someone point out the similarities could be a good thing for you. Just a comment from one of the "village" people.

    If I didn't think the OP was worth it - I wouldn't bother.

    Just read the OP's latest comments above - never mind, not worth it after all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Mike -

      I realize it doesn't matter what a few of us post - you will argue and dismiss it. That's fine...we're used to it by now.
      Our difference will always be because I hear an argument and accept or reject it based on logic. You instead try to respond by stating "us" and "we" which I have no interest in - partly because theres not much evidence that the "us" is anywhere half near as authoritative on IM as they pretend to be (just signed up earlier or post more).

      Can you logically deny that what the op wrote was the same general idea behind JVs - no you cannot.

      When you've been a member for a little over a week - and started four threads of a similar construction...having someone point out the similarities could be a good thing for you.
      You sunk your own battleship. This was not one of the same construction so rather than pointing out similarities you are just ignoring the very thread we are in in order to make a generality you wish to make stick.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

    Because if you do not have seo or financial backing for ads. Then your billion dollar potential means nothing.
    I was turned off by your original post because I don't believe this statement you made is true at all. SEO is one strategy if you rely on the search engines (which you don't have to in order to be successful). And to be honest, outside financial backing for ads is also NOT necessary.

    So right out of the gate, you have convinced me that you don't understand what you're talking about.

    You talk about about "billions" and "millions" as if that's your focus. It's not mine - never has been. I could care less about such lofty aspirations.


    Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

    It takes a village people.
    Again, Dano, you are not telling the truth . . . and I am evidence that a solo Internet business operator can be profitable online without taking on partners or asking for backing from others. I am proof that you don't need that if you set up a good selling system.


    Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

    So why not join forces and make millions. When you can just collaborate with . . . If we all stick together; We can all make money.
    Taking on partners is fine for some; and it's especially enticing for those who haven't been successful in the past or who have nothing to bring to the party. Some of us, however, have worked hard to set up a system specifically so that we can avoid the often difficult entanglements that come with partners. I am doing great on my own by design, and that's my choice as the business owner, is it not?


    Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

    So let's help each other help each other. Now of course that means you have to trust the person that you collaborate with.
    Why should I trust you or any other person that simply wants to be a partner? You have already shown me that you don't understand Internet business or the principle of solo business ownership.

    I choose to help others by participating in this forum with good solid comments and answers to other people's questions. But to suggest that I should go farther and take on partners in my business when that is not how I choose to run my business is a bit pushy, don't you think?

    Minding my own business,

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    • Profile picture of the author Dano101
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      I was turned off by your original post because I don't believe this statement you made is true at all. SEO is one strategy if you rely on the search engines (which you don't have to in order to be successful). And to be honest, outside financial backing for ads is also NOT necessary.

      So right out of the gate, you have convinced me that you don't understand what you're talking about.

      You talk about about "billions" and "millions" as if that's your focus. It's not mine - never has been. I could care less about such lofty aspirations.




      Again, Dano, you are not telling the truth . . . and I am evidence that a solo Internet business operator can be profitable online without taking on partners or asking for backing from others. I am proof that you don't need that if you set up a good selling system.




      Taking on partners is fine for some; and it's especially enticing for those who haven't been successful in the past or who have nothing to bring to the party. Some of us, however, have worked hard to set up a system specifically so that we can avoid the often difficult entanglements that come with partners. I am doing great on my own by design, and that's my choice as the business owner, is it not?




      Why should I trust you or any other person that simply wants to be a partner? You have already shown me that you don't understand Internet business or the principle of solo business ownership.

      I choose to help others by participating in this forum with good solid comments and answers to other people's questions. But to suggest that I should go farther and take on partners in my business when that is not how I choose to run my business is a bit pushy, don't you think?

      Minding my own business,

      Steve
      Agree. Partners are great for busisness men whom are also single parents that are juggling family, jobs, bills while having a great potential self started online business.

      Some others may benefit from partnerships as well. But I'm glad that you are doing your thing while dropping good knowledge on to others. Thank you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

        Some others may benefit from partnerships as well. But I'm glad that you are doing your thing while dropping good knowledge on to others. Thank you.
        Don't buy the hype

        In affiliate marketing you take on sales partners

        In social marketing you partner with your readers to follow and like you to get traffic etc.

        participating in partnerships such as these do not mean you are no longer a solo business owner with your name alone on the business

        The whole rant is just silly. Most of the top businesses on the internet today take or took on partners. Anyone offended by the idea can just be offended - Your OP asked no one in particular so in no rational world can it be considered pushy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post


      Taking on partners is fine for some; and it's especially enticing for those who haven't been successful in the past or who have nothing to bring to the party. Some of us, however, have worked hard to set up a system specifically so that we can avoid the often difficult entanglements that come with partners.
      You do realize the OP does not mention the world partner. its a general pretty open ended thread mentioning colloboration.

      The personal protest is meaningless

      JVs are common in IM
      Social networking is common in IM
      Affilaite marketing is common in IM


      Why should I trust you or any other person that simply wants to be a partner? You have already shown me that you don't understand Internet business or the principle of solo business ownership.
      Anyone that claims they are a solo business owner dependent on no one or no organization but themselves has shown conclusively the have no understanding whatsoever of internet business


      I choose to help others by participating in this forum with good solid comments and answers to other people's questions. But to suggest that I should go farther and take on partners in my business when that is not how I choose to run my business is a bit pushy - don't you think?
      Not really because he never asked Steve to do anything. lol....you guys sure do get your jollies trying to beat down new people on here with ridiculous charges......Business slow?
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        You do realize the OP does not mention the world partner. its a general pretty open ended thread mentioning colloboration.
        JVs are common in IM
        Social networking is common in IM
        Affilaite marketing is common in IM
        Mike your comments are out of context and you're arguing with yourself. No one in this thread has claimed JVs, social networking, and affiliate marketing are not common in IM. If you read that into my comments, you are simply twisting words to suit yourself. What a ridiculous argument.


        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Anyone that claims they are a solo business owner dependent on no one or no organization but themselves
        Another comment that makes no sense whatsoever since I never said I was not dependent on anyone. You know I didn't say that.

        I stated that I set up my business "without taking on partners or asking for backing from others." That's exactly what I said. It's obvious to me you just like to argue for the sake of argument - with words but no substance.

        Good luck with you business, no more wasting time trying on this for me.

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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

          Mike your comments are out of context and you're arguing with yourself. No one in this thread has claimed JVs, social networking, and affiliate marketing are not common in IM. If you read that into my comments, you are simply twisting words to suit yourself. What a ridiculous argument.
          Only thing ridiculous is your rant of partnerships - OP does not mention the word partnership. once. JVs, social networking and affiliate marketing are all forms of colloboration ( a word the OP does mention). Try and keep up.


          I stated that I set up my business "without taking on partners or asking for backing from others." That's exactly what I said.
          and every time you rely on affiliates , do a JV or even rely on social networking you are asking for the backing of others. Because you don't understand such an obvious point doesn't make my disagreement with you of no substance. It just shows your lack of understanding


          good luck with you business, no more wasting time trying on this for me
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  • Profile picture of the author MSutton
    Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

    It takes a village people.


    Sorry, I couldn't resist
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  • Profile picture of the author MSutton
    Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

    So if anyone wants to work together. Then state what you bring to the table and what you need to make millions.

    And let's stop the bull crap.
    OK. Let's "stop the bull crap". You're the one who came looking.

    So the first question is (which you haven't answered)...


    What do YOU have to "bring to the table".

    The burden lies on you, not others.

    You're not going to find potential partners by saying,


    "I want partners, what do YOU have for ME"
    .

    It doesn't work that way.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dano101
      Originally Posted by MSutton View Post

      OK. Let's "stop the bull crap". You're the one who came looking.

      So the first question is (which you haven't answered)...

      What do YOU have to "bring to the table".

      The burden lies on you, not others.

      You're not going to find potential partners by saying,

      "I want partners, what do YOU have for ME"
      .

      It doesn't work that way.
      I think comprehension of what was said was missed on your part as well as some others.

      It stated What do you offer and what do you need to make millions.

      So Wouldn't I sound more like an investor open for collaboration discussion.


      But like I told others. The thread has some looking at me like I posted a go fund me link or something. Lol.

      So thoughts of anything in regards to the original thread intent has been out the window and has vanished into the ether.

      And that's all i have to say about that. -Forest Gump-
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  • Profile picture of the author MSutton
    Well, I just went back an re-read your OP. I got one of 2 things from it.

    1. I have nothing, what do you have for me.

    or

    2. I have SEO skills and financial backing. Tell me what you have and I will supply these to you (in partnership/JV of sorts), if I feel your product is worthy.

    If I am right about #1, good luck.

    If I am right about #2, you need to post in the JV section.

    If I am wrong about both, again good luck. Next time, try conveying your thoughts better. If English is not your fist language, that's fine, but you can't expect others to understand what you're writing if it's not written in an intelligible manner (no offense meant, I'm just giving constructive criticism ).
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    • Profile picture of the author Dano101
      Originally Posted by MSutton View Post

      Well, I just went back an re-read your OP. I got one of 2 things from it.

      1. I have nothing, what do you have for me.

      or

      2. I have SEO skills and financial backing. Tell me what you have and I will supply these to you (in partnership/JV of sorts), if I feel your product is worthy.

      If I am right about #1, good luck.

      If I am right about #2, you need to post in the JV section.

      If I am wrong about both, again good luck. Next time, try conveying your thoughts better. If English is not your fist language, that's fine, but you can't expect others to understand what you're writing if it's not written in an intelligible manner (no offense meant, I'm just giving constructive criticism ).

      Thank you.

      In all honesty I'm just a regular guy in the business that came here to build or bond or pick brains of other regular folks in the business.

      Now the thread was merely started for open conversation pertaining to collaboration of members from all aspects of Internet businesses or services. Lol. And that was the sole intent.

      But posters turned the Let's All Build Together into Ole You Just Want Something For Nothing.

      But they keep skimming over the part where I Clearly state that people can chime in on What They Offer Or What They Need To Make Money.

      This should have told all readers that the conversation will be by folks talking collaboration discussions.


      But like Mike said. The J.V forum would have been a better spot for that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
        Hey Dano,

        Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

        But they keep skimming over the part where I Clearly state that people can chime in on What They Offer Or What They Need To Make Money.
        ...and you keep skimming over (or ignoring altogether) the part where many of the responses suggest that YOU chime in on What You have to Offer.

        If you are in the mood to collaborate with someone else.. give them the benefit of defining just exactly what you are looking for and what you are willing to do in return. A number of us have products that you could promote. An even greater number of us have promotional capabilities that we might use to promote your products.

        But...
        this subforum isn't really the right place to discuss either, and attempts to do so will probably result in the post being deleted.

        Note that only one responder has come to your defense, and note that even he didn't reply to your OP but rather to the other responses.

        If I, and others, misinterpreted your intent... blame yourself/your own communication skills.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dano101
          Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

          Hey Dano,



          ...and you keep skimming over (or ignoring altogether) the part where many of the responses suggest that YOU chime in on What You have to Offer.

          If you are in the mood to collaborate with someone else.. give them the benefit of defining just exactly what you are looking for and what you are willing to do in return. A number of us have products that you could promote. An even greater number of us have promotional capabilities that we might use to promote your products.

          But...
          this subforum isn't really the right place to discuss either, and attempts to do so will probably result in the post being deleted.

          Note that only one responder has come to your defense, and note that even he didn't reply to your OP but rather to the other responses.

          If I, and others, misinterpreted your intent... blame yourself/your own communication skills.
          Sid. I said it before and I will say it again.

          The thread intent has been mangled by posters that immediately assumed that I started this thread for a free handout.

          So I immediately decided that anything that I mentioned would have been considered by other posters as a spam move or a please give me your service for free move.

          This collaboration discussion thread was bombarded with negativity from early on.

          So pardon me if I elected to not try to build with folks that were not here to build but to only criticize intent.

          Thank you Sid.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

            So I immediately decided that anything that I mentioned would have been considered by other posters as a spam move or a please give me your service for free move.
            i dunno about you but I am chuckling at the hilarity. Here you have a group of people saying you deserve to have your post ripped because you started the thread as a "help me please" plea and then you have the same set saying that you need to give a specific help me please post or its your fault for poor communication and deserve to have your post ripped.

            lol...perfect heads We win tails you lose scenario... They are going to get you either way.

            Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

            Dano

            Understand this a lot of the long term Warriors have left and the ones who do have the knowledge have answered in this thread ,
            Maybe not....maybe its just the grumpy people left not the knowledgable. How in the world can people be criticizing the OP BOTH for seeking help for himself AND claiming he didn't ask for any specific help for himself?
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            • Profile picture of the author Dano101
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              i dunno about you but I am chuckling at the hilarity. Here you have a group of people saying you deserve to have your post ripped because you started the thread as a "help me please" plea and then you have the same set saying that you need to give a specific help me please post or its your fault for poor communication and deserve to have your post ripped.

              lol...perfect heads We win tails you lose scenario... They are going to get you either way.



              Maybe not....maybe its just the grumpy people left
              Lmao. Hey Mike.

              I'm Spammed if I do and Spammed if I don't. Lol.

              I have been on forums before and I understand how things can go. So Thanks to all that have given insight and cautioned about partnership. I wish we were allowed to dive deeper in the pros and cons of collaborations as well as other things. But maybe next time. Or someone can bump a thread or something.

              Thank you.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

                Lmao. Hey Mike.

                I'm Spammed if I do and Spammed if I don't. Lol.

                Yeah this was an ego exercise of "slap down the newb we joined earlier so we are the experts" which has been all the rage in the last year or so - not anything rational. I reread your OP and find it even tamer the third time around. You make it pretty clear money wasn't the only thing you were talking about


                And you have the seo or human traffic service or money that is guaranteed to get anyone #1 on the serps.

                Okay great. So why not join forces and make millions. Why sell a seo #1 system to rank #1 for $10. When you can just collaborate with folks that have their products down pact but don't have the funds or know how or time or patience to follow through.
                Thats just classic JV stuff. You have the traffic or know how, I have this to offer where can we work together. Like i said the worse that can be said about it is maybe (MAYBE) JV forum (I say Maybe because thats usually for specific offers not talking generally)

                all this drama of chest thumping and attacking was just for ego. Nothing strange in the idea. Very common in IM.
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                • Profile picture of the author Dano101
                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  Yeah this was an ego exercise of "slap down the newb we joined earlier so we are the experts" which has been all the rage in the last year or so - not anything rational. I reread your OP and find it even tamer the third time around. You make it pretty clear money wasn't the only thing you were talking about




                  Thats just classic JV stuff. You have the traffic or know how, I have this to offer where can we work together. Like i said the worse that can be said about it is maybe (MAYBE) JV forum (I say Maybe because thats usually for specific offers not talking generally)

                  all this drama of chest thumping and attacking was just for ego. Nothing strange in the idea. Very common in IM.
                  Hey Mike. Thanks. I like your style. You root for the underdogs and don't mess around.

                  It's been a fun thread because you tried to lighten people up. Thanks. Because I was turning blue in the face while still trying to state my intent case.

                  But I should have just kept it moving. But I couldn't resist to see how warriors interact when in disagreement.

                  I respect you all. Thank you folks. No harm no foul.
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                • Profile picture of the author discrat
                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  Yeah this was an ego exercise of "slap down the newb we joined earlier so we are the experts" which has been all the rage in the last year or so - not anything rational. I reread your OP and find it even tamer the third time around. You make it pretty clear money wasn't the only thing you were talking about

                  Meh... You are boring me MA.
                  How much longer do we want to keep up this incessant rambling ??

                  This seems more and more like an exercise in one member's ego and dismissing ANYONE and EVERYONE who happens to have a Post Count of over 1,000....because we all know these people are full of ego and just want to slap down the poor newbie because it makes them feel better. Of course in EVERY case that
                  has to be true ,right ??

                  Hell, let's just argue for the sake of arguing...as this seems like all the rage here recently
                  Yawn... And NO i won't mention PB. But where is she, Btw ??
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                    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                    Meh... You are boring me MA.
                    How much longer do we want to keep up this incessant rambling ??
                    Until he gets the thread locked or deleted.
                    He has a history of this in the OT forum.
                    Guess he's branching out.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

          Note that only one responder has come to your defense, and note that even he didn't reply to your OP but rather to the other responses.

          If I, and others, misinterpreted your intent... blame yourself/your own communication skills.
          meanwhile while you are noting numbers (as if that beats having a logical point) - note - not one person has explained how the OPs request has any substantial difference to a JV to cause all the ruckus.

          and don't misrepresent me Sid. I gave three examples of people with products that are in direct response to the Op not just responding to other people.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MSutton View Post

      If I am wrong about both, again good luck. Next time, try conveying your thoughts better. If English is not your fist language, that's fine, but you can't expect others to understand what you're writing if it's not written in an intelligible manner (no offense meant, I'm just giving constructive criticism ).
      No you are not. You are showing your own deficiency in reading comprehension. English is not my second language and I have taught English to classes. There is nothing in the OP that says I have nothing please help me. Pure malarkey

      Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post


      So I'm sorry to those who jumped the gun and thought I was saying me me me. [/B]

      Good grief.
      You didn't say me even once. I would not take it too personal though. That was just the usual whining by some old timer members whose time has passed them by getting their jollies against the newbies. Its become a pretty common whine too in its own right as sig sales have dwindled.

      They are the anointed and all the newbies know nothing because they were doing something else years ago. listening to some of them its like they think that they are or were the Frank Kern's that decided to stick around.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

    I think comprehension of what was said was missed on your part as well as some others.

    It stated What do you offer and what do you need to make millions.

    So Wouldn't I sound more like an investor open for collaboration discussion.


    But like I told others. The thread has some looking at me like I posted a go fund me link or something. Lol.

    So thoughts of anything in regards to the original thread intent has been out the window and has vanished into the ether.

    And that's all i have to say about that. -Forest Gump-
    We have a saying - if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

    My version is, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it might not be a duck. But that's the smart way to bet.

    You, my friend, sounded very duck-y in your original post. Especially with bits like referring to a product that you know would make humongous sales and millions of dollars if you only had the skills and financial backing. And finishing up with 'quit the bullcrap' wasn't ideal for someone looking to make a point.

    It just sounded like one of the many whiny rants going around the main board these days.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dano101
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      We have a saying - if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

      My version is, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it might not be a duck. But that's the smart way to bet.

      You, my friend, sounded very duck-y in your original post. Especially with bits like referring to a product that you know would make humongous sales and millions of dollars if you only had the skills and financial backing. And finishing up with 'quit the bullcrap' wasn't ideal for someone looking to make a point.

      It just sounded like one of the many whiny rants going around the main board these days.
      Omg. Can someone take my entire original post and break it down for some people.

      I clearly state that You have a product with humongous potential. And You have a service or means to take things to new heights.

      So Why don't We all Join forces.

      So state your offer /product or What you need to make millions.


      So I'm sorry to those who jumped the gun and thought I was saying me me me.


      Good grief.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Meanwhile the track record on dodging , ducking and evasion continues
        As opposed to posting twice in a row to keep arguing your points?

        The OP seems able to speak for himself. Thread is attracting spam now - so what else is new?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          As opposed to posting twice in a row to keep arguing your points?
          I think I missed the part in the rules where two posts when responding to multiple people is a violation of the rules. Care to give me the link? or were you trying to be a mod AGAIN?
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        I didn't see "partnership" - I saw nonsense. I guess it all depends on how you interpret what someone else writes. Here is what I saw:

        folks that have their products down pact but don't have the funds or know how or time or patience to follow through.
        How many marketers do you know of who have no....

        funds
        know how
        time
        patience
        follow through

        yet have a product down "pact" (I think he means 'pat')?

        It doesn't happen. There is no "do nothing, invest nothing, risk nothing" path to good products. If you know a way to do that - you have a product!
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


          How many marketers do you know of who have no....

          funds
          know how
          time
          patience
          follow through

          yet have a product down "pact" (I think he means 'pat')!
          that would be a good point if not for the word "or" you are ignoring. So its a strawman. He never says has none of those things but lacking SOME of those things partnering with someone who has them. again typical ordinary JV kind of thing.

          Very obvious if people actually read where he stated "what you bring to the table". So the charge that someone would come with nothing is utterly false.

          His point on SEO selling pdfs for $10 rather than helping out someone is particularly valid. I know some fellow SEos that have agreed to rank sites for percentage of sales. Some even rank sites and rent them out to the person with the product. There are several ways of doing it without legal partnerships

          some of them could have been discussed if the thread OP was not savagely attacked.

          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          ...said the kettle to the pot
          on the bright side its obvious the amount of work, effort, rationality and deep thinking with concentration you put into putting that retort together. Well done.
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      Inb4 swift thread deletiony.

      Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
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  • Profile picture of the author MSutton
    The only "malarkey" on this thread is from you and Dano. The only difference is one is more intelligible than the other.

    We'll just have to agree to disagree (man I hate when other people say that, but there is no arguing with one-treack-minders).
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Dano

    Understand this a lot of the long term Warriors have left and the ones who do have the knowledge have answered in this thread , now writing this there have been a lot of BS threads like this over the years now I and I am not saying yours is but when a Warrior
    has been here for a couple of months and not contributed to the forum a lot of peoples BS meters go off

    That is why you get a lot of negativity , you are not the first nor the last that get this type of treatment it is just we a looking out for the newbies in some cases.

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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Dano

    Have you heard of the Village Idiot well for your village is that it could be full of them , getting a whole lot of persons to be a village I get but the newbies who come on here have not a clue about MMO /IM

    There was thread about 2 months ago where is was put that we should help the Warrior as we were rich and had too much money! and this Warrior wanted a person to make the website and product sell it for him and then give him the money lol needless to say the thread last 2 hours but got trolled to death.

    I think you need to look at other ways to get others to listen to you even though you were only asking theoretically If you were to go down this path you will have some asking how to do it ( blog/wsite/FB/YT etc etc )
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    • Profile picture of the author Dano101
      Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

      Dano

      Have you heard of the Village Idiot well for your village is that it could be full of them , getting a whole lot of persons to be a village I get but the newbies who come on here have not a clue about MMO /IM

      There was thread about 2 months ago where is was put that we should help the Warrior as we were rich and had too much money! and this Warrior wanted a person to make the website and product sell it for him and then give him the money lol needless to say the thread last 2 hours but got trolled to death.

      I think you need to look at other ways to get others to listen to you even though you were only asking theoretically If you were to go down this path you will have some asking how to do it ( blog/wsite/FB/YT etc etc )
      Lol. Regional Warrior. Its has been brought to my attention that you have too much free money. And I truly feel that you should part with it and help newbies get started. Lol. You owe us. Lol.

      But seriously. I understand how folks feel. Now I started this thread seriously looking for people to collaborate with each other on whatever. Even if it was just the ideal of collaborating.

      But no worries. I still enjoyed the conversation and the different outlook of how people sometimes interput things.

      I'm also picking up good seo ideas from other threads that I may or may not reply on.

      So I'm definitely enjoying the site. Because sometimes running a business is mentally draining as is.

      So I will now start a go fund me thread. Lol. Wish me luck.

      Just kidding. Thanks RW.
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    Im new member here in this forum, plz could you advice me from where i can start, or the first lessons should i learn in how making money. Thanks in advanced for your help.
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    I think this thread has turned into an argument of a flawed premise. Some seem to be arguing that affiliates and JVs are actually partners. They are not. They are basically employees. We may like to call them our partners but if they do not perform they do not get paid. Whereas, a business partner would get paid no matter what.

    Why would we want to take on all these partners as the OP suggested? Think of it in terms of the real world. If you open up a restaurant and someone is a great cook you hire them and give them a decent wage, but you don't make them a partner. On the other hand, if this person turns out to be a great chef and you have a lot of people visiting your restaurant because of this person, then it might make business sense to offer a partnership to this person.

    The same is true for our online businesses. Why would I want to take the person who does SCO on as a partner? The same holds true for the person who does my logo, or the person I might hire from fiverr or to do a voiceover on a video, should all these people now be entitled to a percentage of my business? I don't think so.

    People provide services for everything we need to conduct our online business, and we pay them for those services. If I pay you to do SEO and you do not perform I can easily find another person to provide this service. If, on the other hand, you are my business partner it could prove really difficult getting rid of you.

    Socialism, and that's what you're suggesting in the OP, fails every time it is tried.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      I think this thread has turned into an argument of a flawed premise. Some seem to be arguing that affiliates and JVs are actually partners. They are not. They are basically employees. We may like to call them our partners but if they do not perform they do not get paid. Whereas, a business partner would get paid no matter what.

      Why would we want to take on all these partners as the OP suggested?
      WHERE?? Where in the the Op does the poster mention the word partnership??

      ANSWER? - NOWHERE

      This thread turned in to an argument because people decided to run down the newb. Simple. The OP mentions and includes much more than just financial help

      So you guys have the premise all wrong . You are running o f on the legal partnership aspect when the OP never mentions the word partner and includes far more than just financial assistance

      and YES. an affiliate is a partner in advertising. Legal partner? No. If anyone cared to consult a dictionary they would see legal is not the only kind. The search engines Google , BIng and Yahoo along with others partnered on technologies in regard to semantic markup to create a standard . Are they legal partners now owning or controlling each other? nope. did they partner ? why yes. definition of the word is clear

      Partner | Definition of Partner by Merriam-Webster


      Socialism, and that's what you're suggesting in the OP, fails every time it is tried.
      say what??? ROFL...my goodness agm how ridiculous. so every company that has partners is socialist???. In that case and by that twisted definition the track record on socialism would be pretty good. this thread jsut gets more and more hilarious.

      Rather than the OP I think you all have fell off the rails with failed logic.
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      • Profile picture of the author agmccall
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        WHERE?? Where in the the Op does the poster mention the word partnership??

        ANSWER? - NOWHERE
        You just want to argue semantics here.

        This is what the OP said.
        Okay great. So why not join forces and make millions. Why sell a seo #1 system to rank #1 for $10. When you can just collaborate with folks that have their products down pact but don't have the funds or know how or time or patience to follow through.
        If this is not suggesting partnership then what is it.


        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        So you guys have the premise all wrong . You are running o f on the legal partnership aspect when the OP never mentions the word partner and includes far more than just financial assistance
        If the OP does not mean partnership, then what do they mean?
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        and YES. an affiliate is a partner in advertising. Legal partner? No. If anyone cared to consult a dictionary they would see legal is not the only kind. The search engines Google , BIng and Yahoo along with others partnered on technologies in regard to semantic markup to create a standard . Are they legal partners now owning or controlling each other? nope. did they partner ? why yes. definition of the word is clear
        The context of what the OP is a partnership. In what other way can we "collaborate" to make millions. How can a SEO person that sells a service for $10.00 make millions with me if I do not take them on as a "Partner"

        ANSWER: YOU CAN'T

        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        say what??? ROFL...my goodness agm how ridiculous. so every company that has partners is socialist???. In that case and by that twisted definition the track record on socialism would be pretty good. this thread jsut gets more and more hilarious.
        "It takes a Village" Think of who said that and what that persons philosophy is and what it is all about.

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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

          You just want to argue semantics here.

          This is what the OP said. If this is not suggesting partnership then what is it.
          Oh I dunno maybe the word colloborate he ACTUALLY used but thank you for the admission by way of omission that he in fact never used the word that you all have been harping on to attack him

          The context of what the OP is a partnership. In what other way can we "collaborate" to make millions. How can a SEO person that sells a service for $10.00 make millions with me if I do not take them on as a "Partner"

          ANSWER: YOU CAN'T
          thats a flop especially since you cared to claim that to a SEO no less. The SEo can rank the site and have his own links on the page. It can be arranged in such a way that they never have to trust each other or one never has to pay the other. You can even rotate the payment link programmatically. He can be in control because he controls the rankings.

          Your can't just fizzled.


          "It takes a Village" Think of who said that and what that persons philosophy is and what it is all about.
          Is this poiitics or IM? I'm not the one that set up the JV system in IM and neither was Hillary. So are you going to claim JVs are not partnerships of any kind? and you have the nerve to claim I am arguing semantics when its you playing a game with the terms.

          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          Meh... You are boring me MA.
          lol.....who cares Robert?. I didn't even bother to read the rest of your post because I know you would have nothing logical to add. Most grown men on a Monday morning can't be bored. If they were bored with a thread then they'd go do some work (if they had any to do).

          P.S. notice how no one can take a stab at backing how JVs are not partnerships??? ....lol....because they can't.
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          • Profile picture of the author agmccall
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post




            thats a flop especially since you cared to claim that to a SEO no less. The SEo can rank the site and have his own links on the page. It can be arranged in such a way that they never have to trust each other or one never has to pay the other. You can even rotate the payment link programmatically. He can be in control because he controls the rankings.

            Your can't just fizzled.
            Not really, How is a link to someones SEO services of any value on a site other than a MMO site. As you know most IM people are in various niches. So, someone does SEO for me on my Dog Training site and we are "Collaborators", it seems that I would make a nice profit by having my site show high in the SERPs but your link would basically be worthless. On the other hand if I just bought the service, then the SEO firm would make money, and I would get my rankiings. But if we were partners, then we would share in the profits. And, if the SEO did not work, but I had many affiliates promoting my product the SEO firm would share in the profits even though they failed. "it takes a village"

            I think maybe the OP should clarify their post. Please explain

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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

              Not really, How is a link to someones SEO services of any value on a site other than a MMO site. As you know most IM people are in various niches. So, someone does SEO for me on my Dog Training site and we are "Collaborators", it seems that I would make a nice profit by having my site show high in the SERPs but your link would basically be worthless.

              Yes really because I never said anything about SEO services. SEOs who partner like that do not partner for SEO service advertising but for a piece of the action - payment link on their site or to their payment account (not hard to programmatically rotate the payment processing) or they straight out rent the space based on the niche as a hard form payment (know more than one SEO doing this). Yes on some setups they do a real legal partnership but its not the only way

              On the other hand if I just bought the service, then the SEO firm would make money
              I think that illustrates the OPs point. lets say it was in a very competitive niche and for the longevity of the business you would want to do white hat SEO - that could cost hundreds to thousands per month which the person doesn't have after developing their product.

              Provided the idea and product was solid (as he put it "what they brought to the table" NOT come empty handed as some have alleged) why would a SEO insist in selling $10 pdfs and totally overlook the potential benefits of getting a good idea off the ground for some higher financial gains.

              Now the first way where this thread went crazy is everyone immediately ran to the conclusion of some kind of legal partnership and cash up front as the only way it could be done. However The SEO may not have to spend a dime or pay for anything to rank the site and compensation and revenue share can be set up in a number of ways.

              and the second way which STILL no one will address is why the idea of partnerships is so outrageous when MANY JVs ARE IN ESSENCE LIMITED TIME PARTNERSHIPS.

              so the OP gets slashed and burned as juvenile and off the rails for proposing whats proposed in the JV section every week! Makes no sense. At best the most he should have got is - move that to the jv section. Instead the senior members jump on the newbie and pretend like because he's a new person he is talking stupid and juvenile.

              Of course there are even better non direct ways for a community to promote great ideas but well we were never going to get to that either
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              • Profile picture of the author Dano101
                A artist may collaborate with a studio engineer to work on a song. But does that mean the studio engineer owns the rights to the song or the album. Does that mean the artists now owns part of the engineers studio. Of course not.

                You have certain agreements when you collaborate that doesn't give anyone ownership.

                So why are some acting like project collaboration means that someone will own the rights to your company?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Meanwhile the track record on dodging , ducking and evasion continues

    Anyone here NOT scared to answer the question posed from page one when you all started this nonsense attack on the OP?


    How is a JV any different? You going to do some mental gymnastics to claim thats not a partnership of some kind? or are you going to claim JVs are not a part of IM because no good marketer would ever do them?

    If someone is going to answer this please give me the heads up ....so I can get some popcorn....because this thread has been very enlightening. Rather than the newbs not knowing anything and being silly I see a whole lot of oldtime WF members arguing totally irrationally like they don't even know IM marketing.

    ahem maybe we need more newbs on WF not less.
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  • Profile picture of the author azaria2410
    I think in the same buddy
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    Thank for your post it really useful and i get some ideas from this. Hope you successful
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  • Profile picture of the author norimanr
    Yeah.. Having a group of people to support each other will be a huge advantage..our products must be able to help people in various needs and at the same time making money for all of us.. i'm currently doing usana, the best supplement ever..been helping quite a people from high blood pressure to diabetes to slimming..i'll post my webpage later on.. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
    Well you know you have to start somewhere. Maybe the idea is just not polished yet.

    Let's face it, if somebody got on Warrior Forum not that long ago and said ..

    Come on people! Yes you are professional designers and get paid the big bucks but why not sell your services for only $5 and you really only get $4 of that after the fee so Who's With Me?!!!!

    Somebody at Fiverr actually gave that pitch and what happened?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Profit Traveler View Post

      Well you know you have to start somewhere. Maybe the idea is just not polished yet.
      Too true and I took it that was the purpose of the thread. To discuss on a discussion board. i myself am picky with who I colloborate and/or partner with. I've done it once with someone I have known for a good part of my life and its been fine. However if the OP had just mentioned financial or legal partnerships I would have ignored the thread. Many have been disasters (but some have worked out so its not juvenile or silly)

      However he was pretty clear he was not talking about just finances just about what various people could bring to the table and never mentioned ownership or legal partnerships. There are ways to do other kinds of partnerships without anyone walking away owning a percentage of your business.

      It needs a good system structured so trust is kept to the minimum with finances. Of course everyone has to bring something valuable to the table for everyone to evaluate (as included in the OP).

      Its something that a community could deal with rather well but again it would have to have a system and structure around it. proposing the idea on a forum for discussion in no way forces the process to take place on a forum. JVs between parties here in the JV system are seldom worked out entirely here on the forum
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

    Okay. I mean no harm. But it doesn't matter if you have the best product in the entire world with the best price.
    That's true up to a point. You need good quality traffic for your product to be a success, but your odds are better if the product IS a good one.

    Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

    Because if you do not have seo or financial backing for ads. Then your billion dollar potential means nothing.

    The same goes for those seo professionals and big ad budget individuals that are still not millionaires.
    Well, again, true to a point. SEO or financial backing certainly helps, but there are other ways... and it takes way more than that to be a millionaire.

    Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

    It takes a village people. So you have a new product that is guaranteed to make humongous sales if your finances and time and seo knowledge allowed it while you are still dealing with everyday life.

    And you have the seo or human traffic service or money that is guaranteed to get anyone #1 on the serps.

    Okay great. So why not join forces and make millions. Why sell a seo #1 system to rank #1 for $10. When you can just collaborate with folks that have their products down pact but don't have the funds or know how or time or patience to follow through.

    If we all stick together; We can all make money.


    So let's help each other help each other. Now of course that means you have to trust the person that you collaborate with for free. But there are plenty of ways to make sure that no one is getting cheated.

    So if anyone wants to work together. Then state what you bring to the table and what you need to make millions.

    And let's stop the bull crap.
    So without rehashing all the "definitions" of collaboration, partnerships, etc. that have already been touched on in this thread, let me take a stab from my own experiences.

    First, I am assuming you mean for people here to get together and create a business. Everyone who takes part is an equal partner, etc. Is that right?

    As also stated, this has been tried many times here on the WF. I took part in a few myself going back about 10 years. Here's how it turned out every time (and most likely will again):

    - An organizer will get the ball rolling, looking for participants. This person will collect names, emails and a description of each person's potential contribution.

    - There will be some discussion - probably via the forum - about the best way to meet. Some will want Skype, some will want email, and some will want a private forum. Your first "disagreement" (and trust me - there WILL be a disagreement on this, silly as that may seem) - and things haven't even started.

    - Finally the majority will rule and you will meet on the decided upon meeting platform. This first meeting will likely be the "meet and greet" meeting so people can get to know each other. Personalities will already start to emerge.

    - Next will come the ideas discussion. What can we build? Who will build what? Who can do SEO? Who can code? Who can build a website? And of course, eventually, there will be discussions on which of these "skills" will be the most valuable.

    - If the project actually gets past this initial stage, you will run into obstacle after obstacle - none of the obstacles will have anything to do with the actual creation of the product. It will revolve around things like who's doing more than their share, who hasn't been showing to the weekly meetings, and the big one - who wants to contribute some $$ to the project for things like hosting, templates, or whatever.

    - There will be factions. People will split off into groups and talk about why the "other group" is hampering progress.

    - Eventually, the project will crumble. There will be hard feelings, etc. And you have just wasted time. Maybe a lot.

    This experience (in a nutshell) is pretty much went down every time it was tried. Maybe this worked for some, but if it did, I personally didn't hear of it.

    Now, partnerships... they work. But in this business they work better when you know the person(s).

    For example, also about 10 years ago I had a partner in my I.M. business. We meet at a Warrior Lunch. We got to talking about who we were, etc. Then we met again at another Warrior Lunch. Before we knew it we were business partners. Each of us brought something the other didn't have. He had the creativity and I had the technical mind.

    We made a LOT of money together.

    Bottom line for ME is if I ever decide to work with partners, I will NEVER come to a forum and get involved in something like what you SEEM to be proposing ever again. They don't work. You would be better off simply hiring the help you need to create your product and then use affiliates and JV partners to help launch it. Everyone knows where they stand - service provided for a financial return.

    That's my thought. Of course, if I misunderstood your post - then ignore my response

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      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post


      For example, also about 10 years ago I had a partner in my I.M. business. We meet at a Warrior Lunch. We got to talking about who we were, etc. Then we met again at another Warrior Lunch. Before we knew it we were business partners. Each of us brought something the other didn't have. He had the creativity and I had the technical mind.
      There are a lot of people I like - but would never partner with because it's about finding someone who can do what you can't and being able to provide for them what they are missing.

      Recently at a local event I just went through this. Someone wanted to do a project with me, and while I like that person a lot I had to point out that we both did a lot of the same things so there would be too much redundancy.

      Didn't mean there was nothing at all for us to share - but not enough differences in skill sets to be able to truly compliment each other from a business perspective.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post


      So without rehashing all the "definitions" of collaboration, partnerships, etc. that have already been touched on in this thread, let me take a stab from my own experiences.

      First, I am assuming you mean for people here to get together and create a business. Everyone who takes part is an equal partner, etc. Is that right?)

      Could a saved a whole lot of time by reading what he wrote before you posted that

      Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

      A artist may collaborate with a studio engineer to work on a song. But does that mean the studio engineer owns the rights to the song or the album. Does that mean the artists now owns part of the engineers studio. Of course not.

      You have certain agreements when you collaborate that doesn't give anyone ownership.

      So why are some acting like project collaboration means that someone will own the rights to your company?

      Mind you I can tell why those who jumped on him have to continue to ignore what he actually wrote. Its the only way to keep whacking the strawman
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Could a saved a whole lot of time by reading what he wrote before you posted that




        Mind you I can tell why those who jumped on him have to continue to ignore what he actually wrote. Its the only way to keep whacking the strawman

        Your arguments for the sake of arguing are the only strawmen I see. You can't get enough of that. You seem so angry

        Plus I wasn't "jumping" on him. I was responding to the REST of his post in the best way I knew how. Not the little part you highlighted, just so you could argue...

        And frankly, I wasn't talking to you. But thanks anyway.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          Your arguments for the sake of arguing are the only strawmen I see. You can't get enough of that.
          au contraire -

          I am the defender of the downtrodden.
          The protector of the newbie.
          The whacker of straw.
          the highlighter of those who have no point
          the presenter of mirrors for those who cannot see themselves pounce on the new, but humble, with straw
          The Luke to your Vader
          so the perpetrators will always complain when i defend the newbies. Par for the course

          don't be angry someone defends the downtrodden. Be happy

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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            au contraire -

            I am the defender of the downtrodden.
            The protector of the newbie.
            The whacker of straw.
            the highlighter of those who have no point
            the presenter of mirrors for those who cannot see themselves pounce on the new, but humble, with straw
            The Luke to your Vader
            so the perpetrators will always complain when i defend the newbies. Par for the course

            don't be angry someone defends the downtrodden. Be happy


            Ha ha - well, you ARE entertaining. That's something.
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            I am the defender of the downtrodden.
            The protector of the newbie.
            The whacker of straw.
            the highlighter of those who have no point
            the presenter of mirrors for those who cannot see themselves pounce on the new, but humble, with straw
            The Luke to your Vader
            so the perpetrators will always complain when i defend the newbies.

            "This ain't Dodge City . . . and you ain't Bill Hickcock." Matthew Quigley
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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

              "This ain't Dodge City . . . and you ain't Bill Hickcock." Matthew Quigley
              More like Don Quixote, only he knows it's a windmill...
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              • Profile picture of the author discrat
                Mad dog on the loose
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                  Mad dog on the loose
                  just you being you I guess, Isn't it just like you and your vacuum cleaner buddy to start calling people you don't agree with dogs. tsk tsk ...talk about juvenile.

                  Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                  , only he knows it's a windmill...
                  So like blowing away the lightweights - sure. confession be good for the soul

                  observe : still no answer on how JVs are not partnerships......lol... next time people try and blame FL and the newbs for the sites decline they should think again.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    observe : still no answer on how JVs are not partnerships...
                    From where I sit, JVs are partnerships:

                    a commercial enterprise undertaken jointly by two or more parties that otherwise retain their distinct identities.

                    So by definition if you are in a JV with someone you are in a partnership.

                    Now, NOT by definition but rather what is implied in this I.M. niche, a JV can simply be an affiliate. Or a very specific and limited partner. I have had partners where we did equal (but different) work and we got equal returns. A "JV Partner" in I.M. may simply be someone who drives traffic and gets a cut per sale they refer and nothing more. So I see that as a limited partnership (but partner nonetheless).

                    Sometimes it's just semantics and as much as it may pain you to hear this, people will not always agree with your definitions. We assign meanings, an industry assigns meanings, etc. A good example is the word "guru", which by DEFINITION simply means (not including religious definitions):
                    • a teacher or guide that you trust
                    • a person who has a lot of experience in or knowledge about a particular subject
                    Yet in this I.M. world (and on this forum in particular) it's been assigned a derogatory meaning.


                    So, there's my "answer" for what it's worth. Now I am sure you will line-by-line pick it apart, assign YOUR meanings to my words, etc. because that's what you like to do.


                    So...have a party
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                      Sometimes it's just semantics and as much as it may pain you to hear this, people will not always agree with your definitions. We assign meanings, an industry assigns meanings,

                      and the Op assigned and clarified his meaning long ago. Plus as you just made clear the definition of a JV as a partnership is not even mine, as you tried to fudge would pain me , but one you agree with (and just about any logical human being)

                      So then If JVs are partnerships (and i know no "industry" dictionary or group outside of this illogical gang that denies it) then the rant against partnerships is all just rank foolishness.

                      JVs as partnerships are already part and parcel of IM.

                      So ho hum leave the newbie and this OP alone.

                      So, there's my "answer" for what it's worth. Now I am sure you will line-by-line pick it apart,
                      Not at all. Credit where credit due. You were the only one with the guts to answer the question even though you did try to back door by claiming its semantic and my own definition of the word which it isn't.

                      even if it were merely semantics then you would have to concede (if logical) that the same would apply to the critiques of the op. It would be for the same reason semantics on their part..
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                      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post


                        Not at all. Credit where credit due. You were the only one with the guts to answer the question even though you did try to back door by claiming its semantic and my own definition of the word which it isn't.

                        even if it were merely semantics then you would have to concede (if logical) that the same would apply to the critiques of the op. It would be for the same reason semantics on their part..
                        No back door. Simply experience. There are definitions and there are derivatives of those definitions (usually implied). In the I.M. niche, people use derivatives all the time even if you don't like the way they are used. For example, if you were to be a "JV" for a product of mine on a launch where you would make money only on sales you make, I would consider you a "partner" in name, but really not much of one because your contributions (and returns) are limited. So really, you'd be more of a tool (LOL - apt, considering this thread).

                        To me that's not a back door - it's a derivative of the "partner" definition. Semantics, if you will.

                        Like I said - you are really just going round and round for the sake of being right under the guise of "newbie protection". Nothing wrong with that - but you fail to own it. If you did, perhaps more people would take you seriously.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post


                          Like I said - you are really just going round and round for the sake of being right under the guise of "newbie protection". Nothing wrong with that - but you fail to own it.
                          Of course because I have no need to buy what you are selling and have no logical requirement to do so..... as well to put it frankly -your reasoning is flawed and I find your opinion based on your delusion of mind reading to be much too inconsequential to own. (wouldn't any logical person?)

                          I defend newbies because I find good reason to do so. no guise whatsoever. You've already been forced to admit that JV s are in fact partnerships. A "its just semantics" hand wave is just illogical since the same would apply to your comrades who have been attacking the OP based on what would be semantics as well.

                          Can't have it both ways...well I mean logically which probably isn't the priority with you

                          Its just anther heads we win tails you lose gambit and thats even easier to dismantle than the first such gambit.

                          If you did, perhaps more people would take you seriously.
                          A great many people take me seriously in many places. If you are deluded to think you know who does and doesn't based on this thread alone or even this forum alone you are more deluded than I thought.

                          No this is more about being upset and frustrated at me thinking you all should not be taken as seriously as you would have the newbs believe you should be. obvious and simple. As one of you admitted downstairs its so frustrating when someone whose been around a while goes and defends a newb.

                          Why newbs are yours to target has yet to be explained except for ego, and join date (which means nada anyway)

                          That is a good example of not seeing the forest for the trees...
                          nah...thats a good example of fudging (other words for it ). Your previous posts indicates you thought the OP meant everyone have an equal share which it didn't. Thats seeing a pole instead of a tree.
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                          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                            Of course because I have no need to buy what you are selling and have no logical requirement to do so..... as well to put it frankly -your reasoning is flawed and I find your opinion based on your delusion of mind reading to be much too inconsequential to own. (wouldn't any logical person?)

                            I defend newbies because I find good reason to do so. no guise whatsoever. You've already been forced to admit that JV s are in fact partnerships. A "its just semantics" hand wave is just illogical since the same would apply to your comrades who have been attacking the OP based on what would be semantics as well.

                            Can't have it both ways...well I mean logically which probably isn't the priority with you

                            Its just anther heads we win tails you lose gambit and thats even easier to dismantle than the first such gambit.



                            A great many people take me seriously in many places. If you are deluded to think you know who does and doesn't based on this thread alone or even this forum alone you are more deluded than I thought.

                            No this is more about being upset and frustrated at me thinking you all should not be taken as seriously as you would have the newbs believe you should be. obvious and simple. As one of you admitted downstairs its so frustrating when someone whose been around a while goes and defends a newb.

                            Why newbs are yours to target has yet to be explained except for ego, and join date (which means nada anyway)



                            nah...thats a good example of fudging (other words for it ). Your previous posts indicates you thought the OP meant everyone have an equal share which it didn't. Thats seeing a pole instead of a tree.

                            LOL - you keep proving my point. Thank you.

                            The only one doing any "selling" here would be you. But because of the way you "argue" you seem too immature and insecure to see it. That's a shame because you SEEM smart. It's hard to tell though through all your blustering and your need to be right - and have the last word...

                            Which I will allow you to have because I am 100% sure you will respond to this post - my last in this conversation with you on this subject.

                            Be well.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                              Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                              LOL - you keep proving my point. Thank you.

                              The only one doing any "selling" here would be you.
                              LOL...you still here arguing about me arguing bro? Thanks for proving my point. Gracias! I'm selling leaving the newbs alone and thats it. You are selling some semantic gibberish to make it ok to take swings at them.

                              Why is it that people who claim others are trying for the last word always try and go for the last word (this one even trying desperately to use reverse psychology (and failing) to get it)?

                              like you said Pot meets kettle.

                              get well.
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                  • Profile picture of the author discrat
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    just you being you I guess, Isn't it just like you and your vacuum cleaner buddy to start calling people you don't agree with dogs. tsk tsk ...talk about juvenile.



                    So like blowing away the lightweights - sure. confession be good for the soul

                    observe : still no answer on how JVs are not partnerships......lol... next time people try and blame FL and the newbs for the sites decline they should think again.
                    whoa are we being a little paranoid ? Had nothing to do with you. Has to do with another member What can I say.... I think John is a mad dog. He knows it . I know it. Everyone knows it. Don't mess with "Mad Dog" Mccabe he just might bite back

                    PN must have given you a complex
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
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                i want tell you guys after lot of hardwork i found ways to drive traffic to website ,
                There you go, MA - a spammer....I mean, newbie ...to defend.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  .

                  There you go, MA - a spammer....I mean, newbie ...to defend.
                  judging by some of your groups logic so far in this thread you should probably hit him up so he can coach you...

                  Maybe he can teach you how to save two dogs with more traffic.....lol
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                With 30 posts in this thread about the meaning of what others say - or don't say - or what you interpret them as saying (semantics)....why not just partner with the OP to help each other make money as the title says.

                If you are so smart (and we are all so stupid) you are the logical person to offer REAL advice, aren't you?

                According to you, no one else knows anything - or has accomplished anything or is worth anything. So show him how things are SUPPOSED to be done. Give him some of the REAL advice and help you are claiming no one offers here.

                Or is that not as much fun as jumping in to bash others time after time?
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  With 30 posts in this thread
                  Shucks only 30??. Not quite as desperate to go back and count as you are but I'd guess there at least twice that against the OP. I know...how dare someone post in defense of the newbs that you all have been picking at and criticizing. Imagine the nerve of that MA guy...lol

                  Yea defense attorney tend to speak more often than any one witness lined up against their clients.

                  If you are so smart (and we are all so stupid) you are the logical person to offer REAL advice, aren't you?
                  think you got your posts attribution dizzy when you were furiously counting posts. The posts where people were called fools , dumb and stupid was in your beloved comrades T Snyders posts not me. Sure skipped over proper attribution of that sentiment to get to me. Wonder why? rhetorical question of course

                  According to you, no one else knows anything - or has accomplished anything or is worth anything.
                  well since that's according to me (according to you) it should be a snap for you to show the post where i said no one had accomplished anything or is worth anything in this thread. I mean even more so since you just finished counting them! That's more like what you guys tell the newbs to impress yourselves. Since I know you can't back that "according to you " claim lets have a moment of silence for the death of honesty in this thread

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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                Nothing more to say - just posting so you have to work harder to have the last word....

                Sorry, couldn't resist.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

                . Many thanks to all that gave insightful input. And thanks Mike for being the defender of newbs. Lol.
                No problem my man. They come bothering you or any other newb you see again hit me up by PM

                All for one and one for all.....lol
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                They come bothering you or any other newb you see again hit me up by PM
                ...and you'll beat 'em up with words - argue them to pieces? I'd rather teach people to stand up for themselves and learn to answer critical questions/comments with rational arguments. But that's just me... sometimes when you "poke" someone you see what they're made of.

                who claim others are trying for the last word always try and go for the last word
                LOL Mike - bet you got ONE more post in ya.... j/k


                oops...running for the hills now....byeeeeee
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    • Profile picture of the author Dano101
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      That's true up to a point. You need good quality traffic for your product to be a success, but your odds are better if the product IS a good one.



      Well, again, true to a point. SEO or financial backing certainly helps, but there are other ways... and it takes way more than that to be a millionaire.



      So without rehashing all the "definitions" of collaboration, partnerships, etc. that have already been touched on in this thread, let me take a stab from my own experiences.

      First, I am assuming you mean for people here to get together and create a business. Everyone who takes part is an equal partner, etc. Is that right?

      As also stated, this has been tried many times here on the WF. I took part in a few myself going back about 10 years. Here's how it turned out every time (and most likely will again):

      - An organizer will get the ball rolling, looking for participants. This person will collect names, emails and a description of each person's potential contribution.

      - There will be some discussion - probably via the forum - about the best way to meet. Some will want Skype, some will want email, and some will want a private forum. Your first "disagreement" (and trust me - there WILL be a disagreement on this, silly as that may seem) - and things haven't even started.

      - Finally the majority will rule and you will meet on the decided upon meeting platform. This first meeting will likely be the "meet and greet" meeting so people can get to know each other. Personalities will already start to emerge.

      - Next will come the ideas discussion. What can we build? Who will build what? Who can do SEO? Who can code? Who can build a website? And of course, eventually, there will be discussions on which of these "skills" will be the most valuable.

      - If the project actually gets past this initial stage, you will run into obstacle after obstacle - none of the obstacles will have anything to do with the actual creation of the product. It will revolve around things like who's doing more than their share, who hasn't been showing to the weekly meetings, and the big one - who wants to contribute some $$ to the project for things like hosting, templates, or whatever.

      - There will be factions. People will split off into groups and talk about why the "other group" is hampering progress.

      - Eventually, the project will crumble. There will be hard feelings, etc. And you have just wasted time. Maybe a lot.

      This experience (in a nutshell) is pretty much went down every time it was tried. Maybe this worked for some, but if it did, I personally didn't hear of it.

      Now, partnerships... they work. But in this business they work better when you know the person(s).

      For example, also about 10 years ago I had a partner in my I.M. business. We meet at a Warrior Lunch. We got to talking about who we were, etc. Then we met again at another Warrior Lunch. Before we knew it we were business partners. Each of us brought something the other didn't have. He had the creativity and I had the technical mind.

      We made a LOT of money together.

      Bottom line for ME is if I ever decide to work with partners, I will NEVER come to a forum and get involved in something like what you SEEM to be proposing ever again. They don't work. You would be better off simply hiring the help you need to create your product and then use affiliates and JV partners to help launch it. Everyone knows where they stand - service provided for a financial return.

      That's my thought. Of course, if I misunderstood your post - then ignore my response

      Many Thanks. This was a very explanatory post of plausible scenarios on the WF collaboration process.

      If you had post this in the 2nd comment. This thread could have went differently without the xyz.

      But hey. I'm enjoying the conversation here. Lol. Many thanks to all that gave insightful input. And thanks Mike for being the defender of newbs. Lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by Dano101 View Post

        Many Thanks. This was a very explanatory post of plausible scenarios on the WF collaboration process.

        If you had post this in the 2nd comment. This thread could have went differently without the xyz.

        But hey. I'm enjoying the conversation here. Lol. Many thanks to all.

        Regardless of what Mike thinks, I understood what you were looking for IN your initial post. But now the entire thread (from one man's perspective) is all about a friggin definition - which in reality that ISN'T what many others were trying to say. But now I suppose he has to prove a point. He's married to it after all

        That is a good example of not seeing the forest for the trees...
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  • Profile picture of the author JoinMikeBates
    Hi Dano101, I just joined this forum 2 minutes ago and this is the first post I have read. On the back of my business card is a quote from Zig Ziglar. "You can have everything you want in life, if you just help enough other people get what they want!" I am trying to live by these words. I just joined an online shopping company that shares the profit back to the associates instead of the "big box" and online giants keeping all of the profit. It's called a "Compensated Marketplace."
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    Ever heard of venture capitalists?
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  • Profile picture of the author limitbreaker
    I think i've learnt alot from these post. Thumps up to op
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