Burn the Ships & Take the Island...Or...Get a Job?

by art72
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Fellow Warriors,

Being aware of the "what to do if your desperate threads" and the likes... and know; nobody can make this decision for me, here goes;

If you had all the basic ingredients (i.e domains, hosting, Aweber account, etc...) and some solid marketing knowledge, writing skills, and were about broke financially, of the following options...which would YOU pursue...

Oh wait... I forget to mention, I have a full sized van in my driveway filled with tools (i.e. construction, handyman type shit, etc...) connected to that van is a 16' Jon Boat, Motor, and trailer... both were prior "self-employment" attempts that failed. (Commercial fishing, which I love...but not enough mullah, and construction which I have 30 years of trade skills, and do not desire to bend over anymore, lol for $12-$15 per hour, especially! -as that seems to be today's average wage, if I go get a job!)

Again, it's a decision I am weighing heavily, but if I sell my van, my boat, tools, nets, etc... I could easily fetch $3500 - $5000 - letting it go cheap, to sell off fast!

I recently purchased a "Mazda 3" that gets 25 mpg... so, I might keep a bucket of essential hand tools, just in case... I need to take up another construction gig, which at 43 years old, I truly would despise having to do.

That $3,500 -$5000 will buy me 60 days of stress free, bills paid freedom to get real with my online gig.

So, of the options below... which would you pursue, honestly...

1.)Sell everything "Go All-In" and go for broke online... meaning focus ONLY on writing, marketing, affiliate promo's, etc...

Note: I have no list, a solid plan and concept, 10-15 well written articles, most of my design, all compliant pages, and web forms, free reports, and a half-written book or two, or three... hell, about 10 really! - Plus, a ton of White Label graphics... not to keen on most PLR stuff! - but, quality graphics I have plenty of reseller rights to...

2.) Domino's is hiring driver's part-time $15 an hour, it's easy, cheesy, but might keep me motivated to quit relying on "outside" jobs trading my time for money... I am actually talking to the manager tomorrow. BTW, I've had some weird jobs, can't say I have every done fast food or delivering pizza's...but, it could tie-in nicely, when I do "break free" eh?

3.) Keep the Van, Tools, Boat, etc... and just get a full-time job and be miserable... which nearly always causes me to lose focus, and abandon my IM mission... hence, I keep dropping off the IM pursuit, coming back here more broken, and even less confident, ladi-di-ladi-da.


The wife (has no job, and has a torn ACL so she's all but useless), my kids (all grown and on their own), as well as everyone I currently know... is a robot, they work all week, get paid, get broke, repeat!

The people I have worked for locally (mostly construction related -trade skill stuff) are making money, but they are slave-driving business owners who often lack vision for true growth, and "flat out" refuse to pay based on production and results, as opposed to kenneling everyone in a $10 -$15 per hour one-size fits all "sheep" mindset.

Neither understands what having made 6-figures in the past (offline - I subcontracted pool work for nearly 20 years) did to me physically and mentally... as such, it kills me to pretend, I can be happy with $10 - $15 - or even $20 per hour... it just seems unethical for me to accept such limitations, I am not spoiled, highly skilled, and yet cursed by my past success (and failure).

I do have an online game plan, a vision, which I have reduced down to a very specific simple process, and will need to generate $1500 - $2000 per month within 60 days to sustain it, and my basic living costs.

Normally, this time a year kicks off the fishing season, and although the species of fish I cast net are rare, and only serve a lucrative and legal (cash) market, a good day fishing is upwards of $500-$600...while it is seasonal, expensive to run, and unpredictable financially, it requires the van and boat to pursue that hunt!

So... If I "let go" of all that no longer stimulates me financially, I'll have 30-60 days...to make it all come together, and I'll prob do something "easy brain dead" for now...like deliver pies on the side, as a contingency plan, just in case I fail...lol.

What path would you explore?

Sorry, tried to keep it short, but I wanted honest feedback, and figured the more you know, the better... the responses will be.

Thanks,

Art

PS - I have considered offering basic services such as writing, setting newbies up with a domain, hosting, wordpress site, maybe some starter articles and affiliate products for $100 -$300 per job, or writing services, etc...

But... I DO NOT want to tarnish my "bigger vision" or lose the respect of my peers, and those who I aim to emulate online, if that makes sense.

Lastly, I am staring at a big ass mountain, and I feel to know the path... I am not desperate - for money comes, money goes... it has a place, but is not my primary business model, solving problems has been my life, doing it online is where I desire to be doing it, respectively... so fire away! - be brutal, I won't cry!
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  • Profile picture of the author danieldesai
    Art, if I were in your position I would go with Option 2.

    Option 1 fails to take into consideration unforeseen complications which will undoubtedly arise... it's just a part of business sometimes.

    Option 3 is a no-no if you don't want to lose focus on your IM mission, as you so put it.

    Get that job at Domino's and set aside a budget and daily schedule for your business - if you can't make small progress on a part-time basis, you'll struggle with staying above water if you go "all-in" without having already built a solid and consistently profitable base in your IM career.

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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    You've already failed twice with your own businesses. What makes you think you are suddenly going to "make it come together" in 60 days online??

    Go get a job if you need income and do IM part time on your off time until you do get it to come together. All the other talk is silly, despite what some will undoubtedly tell you in the coming days, especially when you've already stated you can't keep focused.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheGMa
      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      You've already failed twice with your own businesses. What makes you think you are suddenly going to "make it come together" in 60 days online??

      Go get a job if you need income and do IM part time on your off time until you do get it to come together. All the other talk is silly, despite what some will undoubtedly tell you in the coming days, especially when you've already stated you can't keep focused.
      What the heck? Tom, I've read the above twice. The OP has been extremely successful, and as with any real entrepreneur, had his failures. His #3 was being facetious, as he is not going there no matter what because he would hate it.

      Why are you so being so derogatory? Aren't you supposed to be a coach? Where's the enthusiasm? Where's the get up and go and rah! rah! that makes someone on the fence want to grab opportunity and run with it?
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      Art, as you already noted, Daniel is point on. Sell your stuff, keep as much of the money in your pocket as possible - you don't need a fortune to get started online, a couple hundred will do nicely to start - and follow your vision while you fling pizzas.

      Make sure your plan is flexible, and whatever you do, DON'T SMACK YOURSELF IF YOU MISS A DAY. It's your vision, your business, your everything, screw everyone else for now. Do your homework, ask questions, don't worry about impressing anybody.

      No, really. If you build a solid foundation and tweak and tweak until you start making sales, then step and repeat, you will earn all the respect you are looking for. That's really all there is to it.

      Oh, and stay light-hearted and above all, learn to laugh at your OH S...T! moments. I mean it -- laugh out loud and giggle. It sure as hell helps when you have to start all over again.

      -- Annie

      PS: Sorry about your wife's ACL. Perhaps she can cover that aspect of the business? Don't you think? Nudge, nudge? I mean, dude - that's where all the traffic is.
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      • Profile picture of the author salegurus
        Originally Posted by TheGMa View Post

        What the heck? Tom, I've read the above twice. The OP has been extremely successful, and as with any real entrepreneur, had his failures. His #3 was being facetious, as he is not going there no matter what because he would hate it.

        Why are you so being so derogatory? Aren't you supposed to be a coach? Where's the enthusiasm? Where's the get up and go and rah! rah! that makes someone on the fence want to grab opportunity and run with it?

        How does it feel walking around with your head in the clouds all day long? A good dose of reality doesn't hurt anyone...
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        • Profile picture of the author Andrew Fox
          Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

          How does it feel walking around with your head in the clouds all day long? A good dose of reality doesn't hurt anyone...

          I like the view from above.


          The reality is...that more often than not, you can create it.
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      You've already failed twice with your own businesses. What makes you think you are suddenly going to "make it come together" in 60 days online??

      Go get a job if you need income and do IM part time on your off time until you do get it to come together. All the other talk is silly, despite what some will undoubtedly tell you in the coming days, especially when you've already stated you can't keep focused.
      This is what I need... honest feedback!

      To answer your first question, I have not exactly failed at the last two businesses I explored, and I'll express my faults, and my finding in those explorations.

      First, I keep trying to find the horse I feel off of some years ago. I had built a reputation on honesty, good work ethics, and independent disciplines required to work without supervision, or in a team environment, or with a boss or babysitter.

      When, the economy plummeted, I lost big, and fast. The business "dried up" - I was lost, and my trusted steed...gone! As were most of my clients, contractors, and the demand I once served.

      In short, i made a decision to try new things, explore new paths. That's how I got here actually, seeking new opportunities.

      In short, the last 2 businesses didn't fail, one is both lucrative, seasonal, and too unpredictable as it centers upon elements beyond my control, such as weather, mother nature, temperature and conditions. When it's good, it's really good. But, it is labor, time, and financially intensive... not a risk I care to wager on.

      The second, was my attempt to "stick with what I know" - only doing so, I am at the mercy of a market that has systematically suffered since the whole recession thing hit. It hit me earlier than most in 2004, as I was in a luxury trade (swimming pools, fountains, spa's, hot tubs, waterfall's, etc..)

      I have gone back, or tried to reestablish myself in that market. Only now, the vast majority prefer "in-house" hourly or salary workers who wear their T-shirt, show up early, work hard, go home. I can do that.

      However, having tasted 20 years of experience, reading blueprints, writing proposals, owning and operating heavy equipment, and knowing the trade inside and out... $10 - $20 becomes insulting, even though that's always been the "in-house" pay scale.

      I didn't fail for lack of discipline, or ability, skills, knowledge, desire, or any of those... I failed to "connect" with those whom I had built my reputation, for when I returned, most of those business owners, like myself... had took a long hiatus, and with it went my reputation.

      I am a firm believer; it's not always about what you know...it's who you know, and my tribe, my community, my people were GONE!

      This new breed of business owners are not lacking business intelligence, they lack clarity and vision, and seem to all possess this "I am Your God" mentality, and if you don't serve me for scraps...100 others will.

      Hence, when I state; "I am not desperate... I am desperate, not for money...but rather, to find like minded people who see business as an opportunity for all parties to grow. The business owner, the worker (like me), and end user; the customer.

      Maybe, I've gone blind, deaf, or dumb... yet, in my old industry, it no longer seems to exist. Add to that to make $100k - $125k in annual billing, I had a minimum of $30k - $50k going back into equipment, transportation, tools, ins, licensing, etc... when I fell off the horse, my $100k in tools, equip, and operations couldn't substantiate itself.

      Now, having the knowledge, and lacking the $50k - $100k to replace those losses (let alone the $500k in personal assets lost to boot) I've tried to "do what I've always done" - to no avail.

      Recently, I did some renovation work for a local contractor, a friend, and renovated 2 bathrooms complete "tear-out" and rebuild (i.e. walls, plumbing, framing, tile, fixtures, start- finish.)

      It was supposed to be 2 tile jobs... but his crew failed to show up, get the work done, so I did it all. My mistake, knowing it was a min. of $3k in labor, left the "verbal contract" open based on; "Yeah, I'll make sure your taken care off, just get it done for me."

      After 2 weeks, unsupervised, I completed the tasks asked of me. I the waited 6 weeks for payment, and would've settled for any respectable offering - even if that meant $15 -$18 per hour - but, this clown made excuses for 6 weeks... not paying me, despite the fact; I used my truck, my tools, my skills, and coordinated everything with the realtor who was "paying for the job".

      Long story short, I wound up being paid $800 for 120 hours of work, on a 1099, using my tools, my truck, my skills.

      Did I drop the ball "trusting he would take care of me" - yes, I did!

      Did we ever do business in writing, no, we did not. He too salted the wound even more... his wife got a $4k 'tummy tuck' (and still looks like shit btw) and he had a merry vacation to Gaylord Palms Orlando at $350+ per night with his wife and kid.

      I have no problem with either, other than today's mentality of many business owners has, nor holds any accountability for their actions.

      This took place just before Thanksgiving, as I finished the job with one mission in mind; serve the family, good eats, give grace, be humble, etc...

      Not only did Thanksgiving get cancelled, I fought to make sense of the reason; someone I respected, and never had an issue with working for suddenly "raped me". I didn't get paid. I received $300 2 days after Thanksgiving, and the other $500 on New Years Eve after I threatened a lien, and to "Beat his ass on his door step!"

      I find one more thing even more putrid than his ill-regarded decision to seek a quick buck, two actially;

      1.) The law protects these idiots. If I beat his ass, I go to jail, solves nothing. If I want my money, I have to file a lien, and hope the property owner intends to sell, or it sit idle for years, decades, without being satisfied.

      Yet, if you float a check to Publix to feed your kids, and it is in excess of I believe; $100 - you can be repromanded, and face felony fraud charges, if not made good in 14 days.

      2.) For all the money in the world, I could not comprehend what motive (other than greed and stupidity) this so-called friend chose to exercise this behavior. Maybe because he was on drugs (IDK) it's possible. Maybe, his wife was screwing someone else (IDK) also possible. Maybe, he knows; 100 other poor saps will line up, bend over, assume the position, and fill the void I left behind when he screwed me (IDK).

      I did not fail, as Edison so boldly puts it, I seemingly am in the long enduring process of finding the right people, with the right mind, and the right focus to "do business" as I believe business should be conducted: "Beneficial to the whole".

      Now, if I failed in the sense that I have no large sums of money, "YES" - I am aware my prior spending, investments, risks, did not pan out...largely due to being "Blind" to what a government is willing to do - to cover their mistakes, and get paid while doing it.

      I did not think, at 35 years old - I'd be so grateful to have lost everything, yet, I am.

      I DON'T FAIL... PEOPLE DO!

      Though, I will still kindly tip my hat and congratulate those who seek ill-gains, for the other option certainly will not provide for my wife, children, or freedom.

      Yes, I am a bit bitter, rightfully so... I've never lied, stolen, or cheated in my life! Not on my wife of 25 years, not on my family, and not without just provocation, as in, I have balanced the books on occasion with the mindset, "payback's are a bitch" - However, in most cases as with the example above; "I turned the other cheek" as Kenny Roger's says in his song; "The Coward of the County" - for had it been any more personal, I wouldn't be free today.

      I seek no pity, no sympathy or forgiveness. What I seek is to "work" with like-minded people, and though it pains me to say it; "I almost believe; they are far and few between" - Hence, my caution entering any new business, especially, as I have the time, energy, and mind to succeed...I cannot do it alone.

      Thus, my only concern with the 60-day deadline, is can I reach my audience, provide for their needs, and start reaching out to the right people to sustain it?

      Sorry for the rant... I blame me, for ever trusting others, and now, the hard part is believing; "I ever will again" - for the trusted steed which I once secured in the satbles of my mind...was torched by others without merit, provocation, or any reason I can conclude; than over money!

      So be it... there's my ONLY problem.

      It's not failure I fear... it's PEOPLE!

      Yet, I am both passionate and full of love for humanity, and being a solution...not the problem!

      Right now... I feel lost. Not depressed, deprived, or incapable of getting a job or building a powerful blog, communications platform, or even an entire publications network (which is my bigger vision)... I have forgiven all who attempted to bury me... and I'm not dead yet!

      But, I cannot help to tread with caution as I prepare to reach out to those I both intend to help, and those who may help me, respectively.

      I tried alcohol, drugs, church...everything but a shrink...lol, nothing other than success will do!

      TLDR... I understand, for those of you skimming, trolling, or just looking for one sentence responses to flash your "siggy" - I get it, it's all about the money right?
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Thanks Daniel, I appreciate your feedback.

    As you can see, I have been on/off this forum for years, and despite the humility it took to admit; I keep going back to what I know (offline gigs) Option #2 getting a part-time easy gig driving, office maybe, is completely out of my norm as well. Everything I ever made money doing was a combo of labor and brains.

    I think that's where my confidence is lacking online, for I feel it's lazy, despite having in excess of 10,000 hours invested in studies, and some (not enough) but some implementation.

    My first business began in a similar fashion... nobody in my life supported it, I sacrificed a $1600 car for $400 which I used to purchase the materials needed to kick off my solo-preneur adventure, and the rewards were $1500 ave (in cash) per week. Then everyone understood my vision.

    The IM vision removes my "physical" brawn...which oddly enough, seems hard to "let go" off, as that's what i relied on for almost 25 years in my working career.

    Honestly, I don't really care about material possessions, aside wanting a better IM set up, tools, and maybe like-minded people... but, I do need to choose one or the other, for I have failed to be able to devote time and energy to both.

    Thanks man! Appreciate your response.

    -Art
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    Go for option 2.

    Back in the day, my buddies were into delivering pizzas.

    Oh my god... We partied so hard back then and had more fun than I can type here rofl. (How's that for a damaging admission?).

    But seriously... Delivering pizzas isn't bad.

    It won't drain you physically, emotionally, or spiritually, and will put some decent cash in your pocket.

    All the while, you can focus on your entrepreneurial aspirations, whatever those may be.

    ;]
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Fox
    What Daniel says. It's a no-brainer.


    Although I'm a punter and risked it all but I wouldn't recommend it doing it yourself as I've been through a lot of typhoons in my IM Odyssey. IM is about passive income, if you can't get repeat business and count only on one-off sales, you're missing the boat.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    ThGMa...

    No, I'm not supposed to be a coach. I give honest feedback. I'm not about "enthusiasm" - I'm not a cheerleader.

    OP said he has failed twice already. When you've failed twice already and are broke, thinking you can launch a successful business, while under the gun, within 60 days, is silly talk.

    The whole "burn the boats" mantra is silly, especially when you are broke. What do you do when you "burn the boats" and then burn the your last bit of cash that you got by selling your stuff?

    Seriously...
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  • Profile picture of the author kazimuhith
    Go for option 2. Delivering pizza and IM as part time till it's income overtakes your day job. You are passionate about IM and that will get you through one day ...

    Consult with the owner of the blog The Dumb Passive Income Blog • . He is a driver and part time blogger. I believe he is doing Amazon FBA , too. Good luck...
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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    I also would recommend option 2 for starters, with a dream and a plan for option 1. Back in the day (going on nearly 20 years ago) I started in IM to supplement my income as a struggling mortgage officer in a large bank making six figures, with ten+ figure dreams. When I was let go because of a severe economic recession, it was sink or swim time for me. That's when the dream became a reality, and I've never looked back.
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  • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
    Art,

    I would personally start with delivering for Domino's Pizza as you work on #1.

    But, the "elephant in the room" is what have you been doing with #1? It looks like you have "parts" scattered all over the floor.... with nothing assembled. You have lots of knowledge... But no business....

    If I were you, I’d go get the job at Domino’s Pizza now….

    Next, grab Eric Louviere's free book, The Best Damn Internet Marketing Book Ever Written. Read through it five to six times…. Forget about EVERYTHING related to #1. Focus ONLY on Eric’s book. It will be an eye opener as to what you need to change.

    Put all the stuff you mentioned on Craig’s List or EBay, if you don’t need it for #1……

    Finally, I’m not a “cheerleader” (mainly because I simply refused to shave my legs and nether region). BUT, you are NOT a failure…. You simply haven’t put all the pieces together yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author ANDREIS
    Get an offline job so you can earn a living. At the same time get an IM coaching. Instead of trying and testing everything by yourself and going up and down during the next 2 years, you should work offline, get an IM coaching, and soon you will be set to develop your online income.
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  • Profile picture of the author uce
    Hi Art, I do understand your frustration as for me it took about 10 years of hard work, studies and failure to start making serious money with IM. I would also say go for option 2 and then choose one IM strategy to do part time, stick it out for at least 6 months. And whatever you do never give up hope. You just have to come up with a really good strategy and stick with it. Wanting to become financially successful within 60 days is very difficult I think, maybe possible for some, but for most people it will take more time. Well, that is my opinion. Good luck with your decision, Christina
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    I'll respond shortly, as I have to step out, and I appreciate the feedback As you all can see, I am not a newbie, I just haven't committed 101% to my IM journey, though I cannot seem to find a better business model.

    Heck, the worst that could happen is the lights go out, the internet sinks into the dark abyss, and the whole world get screwed for relying on it, right?

    For the record, I have tested some "affiliate marketing" strategies, have all the basic tools, software, etc... and I have and still see a trickle of recurring commissions coming from stuff I did 4 years ago.

    The reason I pulled the brakes on those methods were 2-fold;

    1.) I was building someone else's list, as their landing page required an opt-in, and at the time I didn't have a clue about A/R's - email marketing, or automating the sales funnel. I do now!

    2.) It seemed misleading, as I wrote 4 reviews that remain on either on page 1, as I used on-page SEO, and later decided I didn't like the product, but still get paid.

    Add to that, some d..k keeps using a blog scraping tool, and I have lost some of my places on Google, being out-ranked by inferior and stolen content - I shut down 4 sites with DMCA's, but they just keep creating new Web 3.0 properties (i.e. Weebly, Blogger, etc..), and putting up new ones...it's not worth the $27 commission on a product I no longer support, or the energy it takes to police it.

    So... I became determined to create; "Intellectual Properties" (i.e. books, reports, processes, and blueprints based on How To's and What Not's) - but, despite 100 or so, well defined sales-funnels outlined, 1/2 done... I exhausted myself trying to "be all -do all) - add to that no capital to outsource tasks, yeah...I'm sure we've been there, or in similar proximity.

    Ironically, I see a million and one opportunities, even here on WF, and yet, I'll sit here and answer questions, give sh!t away, and probably could have already published enough content to retire, if only I knew; "How to get it out of my notebooks" and onto my blog!

    Many Thanks! - I need a swift kick in the ass! (*Not cheerleaders, or flattery...not a big fan of other, although I'd prefer cheerleaders, it's a man thing, roflmao!)

    Oh, and my wife... we just had a long-heartfelt dicussion about her seeking "at home" employment for "Virtual Customer Service" type work, as she was one hell of a telemarketer back in the day, and before having kids...she made great money with AT&T, Vacation Packages, and even selling Water Purification Systems, and Solar.

    I've considered building blogs in some of these areas, as well. Just haven't determined; "Which weighs heavier...being a self-published author, or affiliate marketing, copywriting, or publishing sales oriented writings?

    Clearly, one of my favorite people here is myob... and I think I have a pretty clear and concise idea of "How" his 'process' works... just need to implement this stuff!

    All the Best,

    Art
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Ok... I officially retract my prior statement; "I won't cry!"

    Having just signed up for Eric's book...

    And watched this video, after I opted in:

    History of Eric Louviere – Eric Louviere – The Million Dollar Marketer

    The frequency in which this message "hit home" not only resonated well with me... my eyes actually did wallow up, and even seep (a lil bit) - for it was/is exactly where I am and feel I need to go or rather; become!

    Blows my mind, others have been where I am, for often it is not easy to believe. Hearing Eric's intro - words do zero justice, just f'ing awesome!

    Off to read his book!
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    • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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      Please please please, don't buy this books.

      To me this guys are all snake oil salesmen.

      Think about it. Why would anybody reveal their secret sauce? Don't tell me that by providing valuable information they make money. If i had some secret on how to make money online i would stll prefer to use it untill is over and then i would reveal my secret. So probably this people are doing it because their methods don't work anymore, or maybe bacause they actaully make more money with the book rather than with their "methods".

      The information is out there and is free.

      I stopped watching the video when he started to say the "i wasn't making any money because i didn't take any action" bs. SO basically at around 24 secs...

      Btw do we have some proof this guy actually made the money he is saying?

      The only guys i am trusting a bit with this kind of stuff are Neil Patel, Gary Vaynerchuk and a couple of more guys but this one i really don't trust. I could be wrong...
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      • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
        Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

        Please please please, don't buy this books.

        To me this guys are all snake oil salesmen.

        Think about it. Why would anybody reveal their secret sauce? Don't tell me that by providing valuable information the make money. If i had some secret on how to make money online would stll prefer use it untill is over and then i would reveal my secret. So probably this people are doing it because their methods don't work anymore for them...

        The information is out there and is free.

        I stopped watching the video when he started to say the "i wasn't making any money because i didn't take any action" bs.

        Btw do we have some proof this guy actually made the money he is saying?

        The only guys i am trusting a bit with this kind of stuff are Neil Patel, Gary Vaynerchuk and a couple of more guys but this one i really don't trust. I could be wrong...
        You are wrong....

        I think you need to know what you are talking about..... before giving an opinion.

        First, go grab Eric's free book,The Best Damn Internet Marketing Book Ever Written....

        Second, read it all....

        Third, come back and tell us all what Eric was wrong about.... I cannot wait to hear your feedback!

        Eric is 100% correct....... Most fail because they don't take action to build a real business... NOT try to hit a "loophole"... a real business.

        The clowns who are selling you a "loophole" and the "snake oil salesman" will always blame it on something.... not their program. That is not Eric.

        We'll look forward to hearing your feedback on his book.
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        • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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          If you just use some logic you will understand that what you have just said makes no sense at all. That slogan "The take action" bs which a lot of this people, which i call snake oil salesmen and also here on WF like a lot, is just not true. It some sort of motivational placebo this scammers use.

          I will tell you why and is a pretty simple answer. And if you use some logic you will understand why.

          Statisctics say that way over 90% of businesses (so people that take "action") will fail within the first year.

          Numbers don't lie my friend. This guys lie.

          Btw i would never read his book, not even if they pay me.

          It's stunning to see how people can fall for this things and how are easily fooled especially when in desperate situations.
          My girlfriend is a psycologist and tells me all the times that i took the wrong career. I should have been a psycologist as well. But i would never do that, is just so boring...I can smell bullshit miles away...

          They can fool people and steal their money, not mine.
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          • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
            Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

            If you just use some login you will understand that what you have just said makes no sense at all. That slogan "The take action" bs which a lot of this people which i call snake oil salesmen and also here on WF like a lot is just not true.

            I will tell you why and is a pretty simple answer. And if you use some logic you will understand why.

            Statisctics say that way over 90% of businesses (so people that take "action") will fail within the first year.

            Numbers don't lie my friend. This guys lie.

            Btw i would never read his book, not even if they pay me.
            That statistic... about business failure is true. That has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.

            No one said, "If you take action. You will always be successful."

            The massive problem is most IMers "take action" by focusing on learning and are doing very,very few income generating activities. They should be focusing on selling. There.... I gave the "secret" away.
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            • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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              You are contraddicting yourself. The "take action" slogan is always used in correlation with the fact people are broke and if they would juuust action they would change their lifes around and become rich...Infact this is what he says in his video.
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          • Profile picture of the author danieldesai
            Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

            Btw i would never read his book, not even if they pay me.
            Interesting.

            So you've already decided that his book is not worth reading, even though you know absolutely nothing about his work.

            Don't get me wrong, I agree that there are "snake oil salesmen" out there but you can't paint all businessman and/or marketers with the same brush.

            As for Eric, I have no idea if he's legit or not.

            But I'll say this...

            It would be rather silly of me to make a judgement call on his character if I've never actually gone through any of his material.

            Daniel
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            • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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              I have prejudgments towards this people. To me successuful marketers are the ones that keep their mouth shut and keep making money, not the ones that write an ebook on how to make money.

              There are some exeptions like Neil Patel... very very few
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              • Profile picture of the author danieldesai
                Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

                I have prejudgments towards this people. To me successuful marketers are the one that keep their mouth shut and keep making money, not the ones that write an ebook on how to make money.

                There are some exeptions like Neil Patel... very very few
                The reason for legitimate marketers selling their information is simple.

                Sometimes they can make even more money by selling information that helps other people build successful businesses.

                If you know how to do something, why not share it and make money in the process?

                It's a huge market, and as long as the info you sell is accurate and useful, there's nothing wrong with making money from your experience.

                As TrickyDick said...
                Originally Posted by TrickyDick View Post

                What I do know is his products are spot on with addressing issues online business owners face. That is what is most important to me.....

                Daniel
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                • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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                  Originally Posted by danieldesai View Post

                  The reason for legitimate marketers selling their information is simple.

                  Sometimes they can make even more money by selling information that helps other people build successful businesses.

                  I know somebody would come back to me with this answer which is also not true and if you read my previous post i already said that this not the case in my opinion.

                  Is not a hhhhuge market as you might think.
                  Not sure about ebooks but for a phisical book a bestseller in canada is 5.000 copies. I think ebooks might be higher but not too much higher in my opinion.
                  So if this guys actually prefer to make money from their ebooks and get rich fast guides there must be something fishy...
                  Don't come back to me with an example of an ebook that sold 10 millions copies because that just doesn't happen most of the times...
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                  • Profile picture of the author danieldesai
                    Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

                    So if this guys actually prefer to make money from their ebooks and get rich fast guides there must be something fishy...
                    Don't come back to me with an example of an ebook that sold 10 millions copies because that just doesn't happen most of the times...
                    Why do you assume that information products need to be ebooks? >.>

                    There are much better models by which you can sell information.

                    Also, not every book or information product about marketing or business is a "get rich fast guide".

                    Surely you must know that there are legitimate books and courses about business and marketing? (Not denying that the majority of internet marketing products are garbage.)

                    Daniel
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                    • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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                      You are right, there are actually some other crappy online courses and things like that...

                      There are legitimate books and courses, i agree. Very very few. I never said they are all garbage. I actually mentioned few names i think are reputable sources. But this guy just gives a bad impression.
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              • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
                Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

                I have prejudgments towards this people. To me successuful marketers are the one that keep their mouth shut and keep making money, not the ones that write an ebook on how to make money.

                There are some exeptions like Neil Patel... very very few
                Great! If your prejudgments are so accurate, you must be an ace at picking stocks or starting businesses........... How many billions do you have in the bank? Are you on your yacht or flying in your private jet as you surf the Internet?

                If you aren't that wealthy, you may want to stop pre-judging things..... Gather all the information first..... Then, make an informed decision second.
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                • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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                  How about you? How many billions you have after reading his book?
                  I am doing fine...
                  I actually fly a private jet you are right. a Gulfstream 3

                  btw now i am starting to think you are actually the guy...

                  eheheh
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            • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
              Originally Posted by danieldesai View Post

              Interesting.

              So you've already decided that his book is not worth reading, even though you know absolutely nothing about his work.

              Don't get me wrong, I agree that there are "snake oil salesmen" out there but you can't paint all businessman and/or marketers with the same brush.

              As for Eric, I have no idea if he's legit or not.

              But I'll say this...

              It would be rather silly of me to make a judgement call on his character if I've never actually gone through any of his material.

              Daniel
              I can tell you Eric is the real deal......

              He went from struggling.... to losing thousands of dollars.... to having someone suggest he sell his Copywriting services.... to being a highly sought after Copywriter.... to creating his own products... to owning a successful "offline" business.

              Do I personally know he is the wealthiest guy in Texas? I have no clue....

              What I do know is his products are spot on with addressing issues online business owners face. That is what is most important to me.....

              I care less if John Reese, Frank Kern or that "angry baby" Gary Vaynerchuk has more money.... It is not about who has more... It is who can help more.
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              • Profile picture of the author discrat
                Originally Posted by TrickyDick View Post

                I

                Do I personally know he is the wealthiest guy in Texas? I have no clue....

                .
                Yeah Eric will tell you he is right up there with Michael Dell, Red McCombs and HE Butt lol
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        • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
          Originally Posted by TrickyDick View Post

          You are wrong....

          I think you need to know what you are talking about..... before giving an opinion.

          First, go grab Eric's free book,The Best Damn Internet Marketing Book Ever Written....

          Second, read it all....

          Third, come back and tell us all what Eric was wrong about.... I cannot wait to hear your feedback!

          Eric is 100% correct....... Most fail because they don't take action to build a real business... NOT try to hit a "loophole"... a real business.

          The clowns who are selling you a "loophole" and the "snake oil salesman" will always blame it on something.... not their program. That is not Eric.

          We'll look forward to hearing your feedback on his book.
          Thanks for your nice words and comments. I truly appreciate it.

          I realize that because of the nature of this business and because it deals with "money" (which is a very emotional thing for most people)... I am aware that a percentage of folks will be turned off by me and what I teach/sell/market.

          However, my advice to anyone who wants it is to "not be offended by marketing and sales (or success)".

          This world is about selling. My 2 year old sells, your doctors sell you, attorney's sell you, teachers, coaches, friends, significant other, etc. and if you want to survive or succeed in this planet, you'll have to do some selling.

          that job you're going to have to go get is going to require 'selling' to get it.

          that promotion

          getting your kids into private school, university, internships, etc.

          You do not have to sell in a sleazy way and it can be done in a tasteful, respectful way, but this is a marketing forum and I live in the marketing niche. To be offended by marketing (or sales) is just not very smart.

          Heck, my little mantra is "Just Sell Baby!" so if someone is offended by sales or afraid I'll email them sales stuff should certainly not follow me. Maybe I should put a disclaimer on my site that says:

          WARNING: YOU MIGHT BE OFFERED SOMETHING TO BUY HERE OF IMMENSE VALUE!

          However, even if you never buy a single thing from me ever, you can get an entire marketing lesson worth millions just watching me sell... and swiping some stuff. Just sayin'

          Anyway, thanks for the nice words and I wish you all well on your journeys.

          Eric Louviere
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          • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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            Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

            Thanks for your nice words and comments. I truly appreciate it.

            I realize that because of the nature of this business and because it deals with "money" (which is a very emotional thing for most people)... I am aware that a percentage of folks will be turned off by me and what I teach/sell/market.

            However, my advice to anyone who wants it is to "not be offended by marketing and sales (or success)".

            This world is about selling. My 2 year old sells, your doctors sell you, attorney's sell you, teachers, coaches, friends, significant other, etc. and if you want to survive or succeed in this planet, you'll have to do some selling.

            that job you're going to have to go get is going to require 'selling' to get it.

            that promotion

            getting your kids into private school, university, internships, etc.

            You do not have to sell in a sleazy way and it can be done in a tasteful, respectful way, but this is a marketing forum and I live in the marketing niche. To be offended by marketing (or sales) is just not very smart.

            Heck, my little mantra is "Just Sell Baby!" so if someone is offended by sales or afraid I'll email them sales stuff should certainly not follow me. Maybe I should put a disclaimer on my site that says:

            WARNING: YOU MIGHT BE OFFERED SOMETHING TO BUY HERE OF IMMENSE VALUE!

            However, even if you never buy a single thing from me ever, you can get an entire marketing lesson worth millions just watching me sell... and swiping some stuff. Just sayin'

            Anyway, thanks for the nice words and I wish you all well on your journeys.

            Eric Louviere
            Offended by success?! What does that mean? Is this another one of those empty slogans?

            I am not jelous in any way, if this is what you are trying to suggest...
            I am actually happy when i see somebody that starts from 0, puts a lot of efforts, become financial successful and remains humble. I am inspired by this people. Plus i have done ok. I have sold my online business many years ago, and i graduated from CAE as the youngest captain, in more than 60 years, flying an airliner with 160 people on the back at just 25. I am quite happy with my life and i am proud to say jelousy is a feeling that is not part of me.
            I just don't like this motivational stuff because all this "you can make it, the power is within you and may the force be with you" is just not useful to me.
            Also to generalize i bit, which i don't like to do btw, I think salespeople are born and not made, Yes you can improve your sales skills but if you don't have it you just dont. You can improve it with general culture and psycology and understanding people and what they really want but not by changing your mindset, you would still be you... This is just my personal opinion...
            Also i don't like people who would do anything to make a buck and they only think about money. I am not saying this is your case, and i have to apologize if i said that i would never read your book even if they pay me, because i just don't know you and i might be wrong but it was a prejudjement. Everybody prejudge, whoever tells you they don't is lying. I try to do my best by not doing it but sometimes it just happens.

            WARNING: YOU MIGHT BE OFFERED SOMETHING TO BUY HERE OF IMMENSE VALUE!
            I don't like this selling technique btw.
            You should let other people judge if what you are selling is of immense value.
            This are the typical selling methods door to door salespeople use, they bombard you with this slogans untill you give up. And then you throw that vacuum cleaner in the garbage because it just doesn't work really good...

            Also we also should stop using the word success by defining financial success. Success and financial success are two different things. You can be a successful guy with no money at all in the bank and you can be a looser with 7 billions dollars in the bank.
            Money is not the only thing in life. To me family, love and friends are much more important. Money is great but comes second.
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            • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
              Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

              Offended by success?! What does that mean? Is this another one of those empty slogans?

              I am not jelous in any way, if this is what you are trying to suggest...
              I am actually happy when i see somebody that starts from 0, puts a lot of efforts, become financial successful and remains humble. I am inspired by this people. Plus i have done ok. I have sold my online business many years ago, and i graduated from CAE as the youngest captain, in more than 60 years, flying an airliner with 160 people on the back at just 25. I am quite happy with my life and i am proud to say jelousy is a feeling that is not part of me.
              I just don't like this motivational stuff because all this "you can make it, the power is within you and may the force be with you" is just not useful to me.
              Also to generalize i bit, which i don't like to do btw, I think salespeople are born and not made, Yes you can improve your sales skills but if you don't have it you just dont. You can improve it with general culture and psycology and understanding people and what they really want but not by changing your mindset, you would still be you... This is just my personal opinion...
              Also i don't like people who would do anything to make a buck and they only think about money. I am not saying this is your case, and i have to apologize if i said that i would never read your book even if they pay me, because i just don't know you and i might be wrong but it was a prejudjement. Everybody prejudge, whoever tells you they don't is lying. I try to do my best by not doing it but sometimes it just happens.

              WARNING: YOU MIGHT BE OFFERED SOMETHING TO BUY HERE OF IMMENSE VALUE!
              I don't like this style of selling btw.
              You should let other people judge if what you are selling is of immense value.
              This are the typical selling methods door to door salespeople use, they bombard untill with this slogans untill you give up. And then you throw that vacuum cleaner in the garbage because it just doesn't work really good...

              Also we also should stop using the word success by defining financial success. Success and financial success are two different things. You can be a successful guy with no money at all in the bank and you can be a looser with 7 billions dollars in the bank.
              Money is not the only thing in life. To me family, love and friends are much more important. Money is great but comes second.

              The thing about sales is that if you suck at it, you will never be in the top 1%.

              It takes talent to be able to walk out with a check everytime you talk to someone.

              Of course, you can improve your skills, but you could never be the best of the best.

              I agree with you. I am still struggling with the reality that I don't have it in sales.

              But, I don't let that discourage me because I have other strengths that can make me money. Aggressive selling isn't the only type of selling, and you don't need to ask someone to buy from you to make a sale.

              Great post!
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              • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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                Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

                The thing about sales is that if you suck at it, you will never be in the top 1%.

                It takes talent to be able to walk out with a check everytime you talk to someone.

                Of course, you can improve your skills, but you could never be the best of the best.

                I agree with you. I am still struggling with the reality that I don't have it in sales.

                But, I don't let that discourage me because I have other strengths that can make me money. Aggressive selling isn't the only type of selling, and you don't need to ask someone to buy from you to make a sale.

                Great post!
                I agree. You don't have to be a great or aggressive salesman to make money especially in the internet world. This are the extremes but do you think Mark Zuckemberg or Sergey Brin or Larry Page are natural born salesmen? They won't be able to sell the powerball winning lottery ticket for 5 bucks! Still they are among the richest people...
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                • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
                  Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

                  I agree. You don't have to be a great or aggressive salesman to make money especially in the internet world. This are the extremes but do you think Mark Zuckemberg or Sergey Brin or Larry Page are natural born salesmen? They won't be able to sell the powerball winning lottery ticket for 5 bucks! Still they are among the richest people...
                  It is very interesting that the popular Billionaires you mentioned offer free services but a large portion of their revenue comes from us Internet Marketers..

                  We made that.
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                  • Profile picture of the author discrat
                    Originally Posted by Profit Traveler View Post

                    It is very interesting that the popular Billionaires you mentioned offer free services but a large portion of their revenue comes from us Internet Marketers..

                    We made that.
                    Not sure I would say a large portion would be attributed to IMers. There is definitely some but I think large portions would be more Attributed to the Multi Billion Dollar Corporations who spend millions per year to get their Websites up in the Rankings.

                    - Robert Andrew
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          • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
            Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

            Thanks for your nice words and comments. I truly appreciate it.

            I realize that because of the nature of this business and because it deals with "money" (which is a very emotional thing for most people)... I am aware that a percentage of folks will be turned off by me and what I teach/sell/market.

            However, my advice to anyone who wants it is to "not be offended by marketing and sales (or success)".

            This world is about selling. My 2 year old sells, your doctors sell you, attorney's sell you, teachers, coaches, friends, significant other, etc. and if you want to survive or succeed in this planet, you'll have to do some selling.

            that job you're going to have to go get is going to require 'selling' to get it.

            that promotion

            getting your kids into private school, university, internships, etc.

            You do not have to sell in a sleazy way and it can be done in a tasteful, respectful way, but this is a marketing forum and I live in the marketing niche. To be offended by marketing (or sales) is just not very smart.

            Heck, my little mantra is "Just Sell Baby!" so if someone is offended by sales or afraid I'll email them sales stuff should certainly not follow me. Maybe I should put a disclaimer on my site that says:

            WARNING: YOU MIGHT BE OFFERED SOMETHING TO BUY HERE OF IMMENSE VALUE!

            However, even if you never buy a single thing from me ever, you can get an entire marketing lesson worth millions just watching me sell... and swiping some stuff. Just sayin'

            Anyway, thanks for the nice words and I wish you all well on your journeys.

            Eric Louviere
            Very true....

            One of the wisest men to ever walk the Earth told me......

            "It doesn't matter what you do... You are going to be selling. You're selling yourself in an interview. You're selling yourself to the girl you want to marry."

            That man was the top salesman in his company for years....

            That man was my father. :-)
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            • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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              The problem is that with this selling techniques YOU are trying to teach and YOU are trying to learn, you won't go too far...
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              • Profile picture of the author DABK
                What do you suggest instead?

                What do you suggest the OP do?

                Asking because, so far, you've done only the easy part: you've torn down and been cynical.

                By the way, I do agree the OP should consider reality carefully, that many people who sell ebooks that do not help, etc.

                Still, what do you suggest instead? What do you think the OP should do?

                Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

                The problem is that with this selling techniques YOU are trying to teach and YOU are trying to learn, you won't go too far...
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                • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
                  Originally Posted by DABK View Post

                  What do you suggest instead?

                  What do you suggest the OP do?

                  Asking because, so far, you've done only the easy part: you've torn down and been cynical.

                  By the way, I do agree the OP should consider reality carefully, that many people who sell ebooks that do not help, etc.

                  Still, what do you suggest instead? What do you think the OP should do?
                  And what ground-breaking advice have you given, besides giving an ego-driven, projector-based response.
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                  • Profile picture of the author DABK
                    If you were to rephrase "ego-driven, projector-based," I might understand and we might have a conversation.

                    Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

                    And what ground-breaking advice have you given, besides giving an ego-driven, projector-based response.
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                • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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                  Indeed i am sorry, i was about to apologize to Art because i (we) have diverted his thread in a different direction but i am not being cynical at all. I dont like this scams...

                  I would do the pizza delivery, i think he has a family and is too much of a risk trying to make it work in just 2 months. And i won't be selling my tools...

                  I would work delivering pizzas and work at night and weekends on my online business, grow it slowly and when i have enough money to quit the job and can focus on the business 100%, will start to work day and night trying to make it work...And aslo i will stop writing this long posts...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
                    Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

                    Indeed i am sorry, i was about to apologize to Art because i (we) have diverted his thread in a different direction but i am not being cynical at all. I dont like this scams...

                    I would do the pizza delivery, i think he has a family and is too much of a risk trying to make it work in just 2 months. And i won't be selling my tools...

                    I would work delivering pizzas and work at night and weekends on my online business, grow it slowly and when i have enough money to quit the job and can focus on the business 100%, will start to work day and night trying to make it work...And aslo i will stop writing this long posts...
                    Sorry SCrafted
                    you hijacked the thread there is no us so this is all on you!

                    Jason
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                  • Profile picture of the author James Campbell
                    You should probably slow your roll on insinuating and/or directly calling Eric and/or his FREE offerings and paid offerings a scam.

                    You have admitted you have not read the free offering. You have admitted you know little to nothing about Eric's business or teachings.

                    All you have demonstrated is that you have an extremely strong personal bias against information sellers, whether it be through books (including ebooks) or courses. You've generalized, made assumptions and in the process (at least in this thread) have made yourself look ignorant.

                    You've contributed nothing to helping the OP and have only contributed to derailing the thread topic with your ignorant screams of "scam" at every turn.

                    To the OP:
                    - Sell some stuff, get some income going job wise AND keep your online business ventures moving forward.
                    - What this means:
                    You will have to use your time more efficiently aka stop posting here and on Facebook, stop "learning"! You know enough already, so do what you know.
                    You will have to get some offers out there, you can't make money without something to sell. Period.
                    Once you have your offers in place, buy quality traffic every single day. Even if it is just $10 a day. Building your business, your audience and your list consistently.
                    - Before you know it, you'll have a significant income, or at least enough to make a big impact on your life.

                    I really hope that helps.

                    Holy hell there has been quite a bit of butthurt going on in this thread from one particular person. Just grates on the soul to feel such negativity from a fellow supposed entrepreneur.

                    Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

                    Indeed i am sorry, i was about to apologize to Art because i (we) have diverted his thread in a different direction but i am not being cynical at all. I dont like this scams...

                    I would do the pizza delivery, i think he has a family and is too much of a risk trying to make it work in just 2 months. And i won't be selling my tools...

                    I would work delivering pizzas and work at night and weekends on my online business, grow it slowly and when i have enough money to quit the job and can focus on the business 100%, will start to work day and night trying to make it work...And aslo i will stop writing this long posts...
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                    • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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                      @james campbell. I am talking about this ebooks and online courses in general, can somebody generalize? Yes you can do it sometimes. Regarding Eric, I already said i don't know him and i dont know his work but honestly i am not interested in reading the "free" ebook and later on get bombarded by tons of emails, because from the little i know he uses some selling techniques that i personally don't like and think don't work too well.

                      Why did i make myself look ignorant? Can you explain? Ignorant to this ebooks and online courses? Probably yes. The less i know about them, the better. It's a compliment to me.

                      "Supposed entepreneur" .I am not a successful entepreneur. I am still learning a lot about IM like everybody. I use this forum to do it and other sources. Not the make money/get rich fast guides.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post


                        The whole "burn the boats" mantra is silly, especially when you are broke. What do you do when you "burn the boats" and then burn the your last bit of cash that you got by selling your stuff?

                        Seriously...
                        I'll mention this as I didn't see it mentioned elsewhere.

                        I believe Art may be referring to Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich - there is a story in there about the boat going over, and they burned it because it was win the war and no option to go back. And they won.

                        I do think I understand where Art is coming from. Sometimes you have to just cut the cord and sink or swim. And if you are gasping for air you are going to do your darndest to swim.

                        I don't think it's about him having the knowledge to do what he needs to do, but maybe he does need a better plan of action in place to maximize 2 months of effort. Ask the serious questions like - how long will it take to actually see the first consistent 100 dollar days and do I have a plan to keep that generating in place.

                        Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

                        Please please please, don't buy this books.

                        To me this guys are all snake oil salesmen.
                        I've been fortunate enough to talk live with Eric. He's not a bad guy.

                        In fact, he used to be quite an active member here.

                        Don't take our word for it. Have a poke around his old posts.

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                        Originally Posted by art72 View Post

                        Kay,

                        'NO'... I am actually NOT motivated by this thread, respectively. I believe; motivation and direction are equally important, and yet if there's any motivation I seek, it's "HOW" to ever accept that I may NEVER be fulfilled or stimulated enough by any measure of success or failure.

                        Ultimately, I am exploring the "unknown" - my biggest fears, and making that transition from "somewhere" other than where I am now... into the unfamiliar, a place where I know; I will remain uncomfortable.

                        All the "studying" in the world cannot prepare me enough.

                        It's a blessing and a curse, to know; "I will never be fulfilled, satisfied, or complacent" - regardless if I make $20,000,000.00 or $20 is obsolete. The real concern, is HOW everything I do from this point on -right now, will effect, influence, and or impress upon others?

                        Yes, I am being a bit nostalgic, and for good reason; I've come to accept - "WE" all owe it to those before us, to provide for "ALL" those who "survive" us!

                        As John so eloquently puts it; "I know it's time to fish or cut bait" - that's not my weakness. My weakness is deciding HOW big of a NET do I want to throw?

                        Obviously, there's work involved. The bigger the catch, the greater the haul, the more the demands (and efforts) will need to increase... I am trying to prepare for that responsibility, ...responsibly.

                        Perhaps, I am just "thinking"too much, about never being able to do enough, as our time is short, and I am just pissed off enough to "NOT WANT" to waste any more time... so, REALISTICALLY there's only 2 options "I" have...

                        1.) Choose to give it a "voice" and market the hell out of it...

                        or...

                        2.) STFU and die a slow boring existence!

                        That's really all there is to it.
                        If things get too big for you to handle, you can always hire someone else to do stuff for you or just sell off what you've created.


                        You know, lol, I've heard that when people hit their 40's (I'm still only 34 or so according to the pic in my avatar ) they start to have some introspection of what it is they've been doing and where they want to go and the urge to sh*t or get off the pot kicks in.

                        We are our own worst enemies at getting in the way of what it is we think we should be doing. I think you know what it is you want. So if you really want it just go for it. I will encourage a serious plan in place first.

                        And after 2 months or even 3 months you're either doing it or you are looking in the classifieds for that pizza delivery position again - cause one of those guys that got hired is certain to get fired by then.

                        You almost have to ask those questions like "If I am dead next week (or 2 months from now) but could talk to myself living today, would I be yelling at myself for not trying to do what it is I wanted to do?" And what happened during that time that you were not doing what it is you intended to do? Did you get in the way of yourself?

                        Anyway, solidify a plan. And spend some time looking for what ever additional motivation or answers you think you might need.

                        I don't think the question at all is if you can do it. It's do you really want to do it.

                        I have to get back to work myself now.
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                        • Profile picture of the author art72
                          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                          I believe Art may be referring to Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich - there is a story in there about the boat going over, and they burned it because it was win the war and no option to go back. And they won.

                          I do think I understand where Art is coming from. Sometimes you have to just cut the cord and sink or swim. And if you are gasping for air you are going to do your darndest to swim.
                          Exactly... this exactly the 'mindset' my question derives from, "it's do or die time!" - just as Gary Halbert reflects upon when he hit his first direct mail home run, his lights were shut off, his wife was bailing, and he made a -CALL- and we all know how that story played out.

                          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                          I don't think it's about him having the knowledge to do what he needs to do, but maybe he does need a better plan of action in place to maximize 2 months of effort. Ask the serious questions like - how long will it take to actually see the first consistent 100 dollar days and do I have a plan to keep that generating in place.
                          While there's no such thing as too much knowledge, that is not my major concern, it's the ability to 'filter out' the 101 ideas, paths, and opportunities I see, visualize, and map out... it's hard to know your strengths, when you're your only critic.

                          So, again - you are right on there, only I refer to it as a lack of structure, as in; "Which of the many plans to pursue?" - or- "If I build a list around plan #1, and plan to nurture those people/subscribers... How will I segment them (or integrate them) into the bigger plan #2 objectives... so on, and so forth.

                          Obviously, you have to 'segment' those lists as certain people will likely choose different paths or courses of action... at times I feel like I'm trying to FREE WILLY (lol) and I should be "shooting fish in a barrel" - I guess, you got to do both, and let the 'people's court' decide. lol

                          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                          If things get too big for you to handle, you can always hire someone else to do stuff for you or just sell off what you've created.
                          Indeed, and that will require a shift in my current thinking for sure, as it will require risks (hiring someone) and trusting someone else will take care of things accordingly, whether I hire out or sell.

                          EXAMPLE:

                          Alan Says sells WF to Freelancer, end result?

                          I am sure... any long standing success (*Andrew Carnegie sells to JP Morgan for $480M way back when...) whereas, the seller makes out well, and yet I must imagine it feels like "the eaglets flew the nest" syndrome - that type of separation must be painful; creating something big... as it becomes an extension of you. So, letting it go (aside the mullah) probably hurts like hell!

                          (*Polar opposite of planning something big... hurts like hell, to NOT be already doing it)

                          I did watch some great insights on Unemployable (*Brian Clark - Tony Clark) - whereby, they 'fine tune' the 'cloning process' (as I call it) to ensure everyone understands the end goals, as well as preserve the values, and integrity of the overall company.

                          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                          You know, lol, I've heard that when people hit their 40's (I'm still only 34 or so according to the pic in my avatar ) they start to have some introspection of what it is they've been doing and where they want to go and the urge to sh*t or get off the pot kicks in.
                          Didn't you read...I am 18 at heart, lol. Yeah 40 wasn't too bad, getting ready to hit 44, and rounding the 1/2 way mark (maybe 2/3 mark?) of life, uh yep... the 'greys' are starting to catch up to the 'browns'... lol.

                          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                          We are our own worst enemies at getting in the way of what it is we think we should be doing. I think you know what it is you want. So if you really want it just go for it. I will encourage a serious plan in place first.
                          Guilty as charged. Definitely. Indeed. Work in Progress... TBC

                          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                          And after 2 months or even 3 months you're either doing it or you are looking in the classifieds for that pizza delivery position again - cause one of those guys that got hired is certain to get fired by then.
                          I'll always have a vehicle, maybe a van with tools, maybe just a little Mazda for now... so, if need be, my butt will get there. When I was a teenager, a guy told me:"The key is to have a truck, tools, phone, and a desire, and you'll always have work".

                          That proved true for many, many years... the harsh part was the part he never told me, where he too sold his dreams and in the exchange, came to believe in that theory!

                          I forgive him, as they didn't have beepers back then, let alone computers and internet, lol.

                          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                          You almost have to ask those questions like "If I am dead next week (or 2 months from now) but could talk to myself living today, would I be yelling at myself for not trying to do what it is I wanted to do?" And what happened during that time that you were not doing what it is you intended to do? Did you get in the way of yourself?
                          Looking deeper into the 'majority' of responses on this thread, paints a irrefutable conclusion... we all seem to battle with some form of duality, where one is strong the other is weak. (Shhh.. if you listen close, you can hear it!)

                          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                          Anyway, solidify a plan. And spend some time looking for what ever additional motivation or answers you think you might need.

                          I don't think the question at all is if you can do it. It's do you really want to do it.
                          When I was younger... complete extrovert. After a thorough introspection, 180* spin... into an introvert, - yet, the bigger plan requires the extrovert... go figure! - what a ride!

                          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                          I have to get back to work myself now.
                          Thank-you Jill, kind of crawled in my head there a bit, as your analysis definitely scored an A+ in my book!

                          All the Best,

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                            Originally Posted by art72 View Post




                            While there's no such thing as too much knowledge, that is not my major concern, it's the ability to 'filter out' the 101 ideas, paths, and opportunities I see, visualize, and map out... it's hard to know your strengths, when you're your only critic.
                            Yes, there are those who don't have a single idea, and those who have too many sometimes (I too fall into that latter category).

                            There comes a point where it's time to just hone it back in.

                            You are at the icecream store and there are all those flavors to choose from. But mom says you can only have one. You need the mom there to make you pick one.

                            Personally, I have to physically write them all down. Then organize them in order of importance. Then actually research the competition I'd be up against with each as well as plans on how each is best monetized. It starts to become a bit more clear and the cream rises to the top.

                            You can make a form of some kind with check boxes on it and score those ideas.

                            Once you narrow it down it's time to just put the horse blinders on and do it.
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                            • Profile picture of the author art72
                              Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post


                              There comes a point where it's time to just hone it back in.

                              You can make a form of some kind with check boxes on it and score those ideas.

                              Once you narrow it down it's time to just put the horse blinders on and do it.
                              Definitely.

                              I am honed in on something now, working through a hefty checklist, and found a nice lucrative 'angle' on something neat.

                              Keep hearing that "Smokey & the Bandit" song in my head... "Long way to go, and short time to get there..."
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                                Originally Posted by art72 View Post

                                "Long way to go, and short time to get there..."
                                I guess patience is key then... can't make the journey shorter, though the time it takes to get there is mostly up to the traveller.
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                      • Profile picture of the author JamesMason
                        Hey Art...

                        Great post you have going here...

                        I just sent you a PM and a Skype message...

                        My opinion on your choices...

                        Depends a little...

                        But, the first thought, sell every thing but the necessities (you will get a clearer mind with no distractions) and get a driving gig (you don't want to go backwards financially, unless you have a very solid plan with a very high chance to succeed in a month or 2 - also, with a driving gig, you will have some time to visualize and tweek your online business, etc., as you drive)...

                        Don't buy anything...

                        While you wait for your stuff to sell, start writing a plan for your next business (you will need to call this a business, since you have the experience of starting businesses, you will just treat this the same as an offline business)...

                        Burn the boats and begin to take the island - bring plenty of food (driving job), ammo (your skills), stealth and strategy (your 'business plan') and know you can take the island...

                        I think I remind myself of this, as much as I give my thoughts for you or anyone else reading this...

                        In any case - Best of Luck...
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                        • Profile picture of the author art72
                          Originally Posted by JamesMason View Post

                          Hey Art...

                          Great post you have going here...

                          I just sent you a PM and a Skype message...

                          My opinion on your choices...

                          Depends a little...

                          But, the first thought, sell every thing but the necessities (you will get a clearer mind with no distractions) and get a driving gig (you don't want to go backwards financially, unless you have a very solid plan with a very high chance to succeed in a month or 2 - also, with a driving gig, you will have some time to visualize and tweek your online business, etc., as you drive)...

                          Don't buy anything...

                          While you wait for your stuff to sell, start writing a plan for your next business (you will need to call this a business, since you have the experience of starting businesses, you will just treat this the same as an offline business)...

                          Burn the boats and begin to take the island - bring plenty of food (driving job), ammo (your skills), stealth and strategy (your 'business plan') and know you can take the island...

                          I think I remind myself of this, as much as I give my thoughts for you or anyone else reading this...

                          In any case - Best of Luck...
                          James,

                          Definitely agree with needing to have a clever mind.

                          We've already started listing some things for sale boat, non essentials. The truth is, now that our kids are grown, we don't plan on staying where we are at much longer, there's a whole world out there to explore, and I aim to see some of it before I'm too old or dead.

                          So selling stuff off stuff to me just lightens the load and will make it easier to roll when the time and money permits. I'm thinking Colorado, somewhere with hills, mountains, and change of scenery

                          Enjoyed talking with you. picked out some good ideas afterwards.

                          Thanks.

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                      • Profile picture of the author TLScopy
                        You said you wouldn't cry...

                        Hoping you're right!

                        My first reaction was "10,000 hours, tons of funnels, this guy is lost in the joy of fantasizing about the future rather than focusing on building and evolving in the present."

                        I hope that is not the case, and would tell you to find one thing and work that one good thing to death before becoming distracted by the next "shiny new penny"

                        I'd vote to take the delivery job or some other mindless job that pays the bills but lets your mind wander as you work...

                        Keep a notebook at hand and write down everything that pops into your head as something to research or follow up on later...

                        If you truly have spent all this time on your writing and IM, I would be willing to bet that you ALREADY HAVE a winning offer staring you in the face.

                        Remember...

                        Gary Halbert once said...

                        "You are one good offer away from unlimited wealth"

                        Just reading through your posts, I was struck by this paragraph.

                        Actually made over $30k in just under 3 months my first season, when I knew diddly squat about throwing a cast net. Now 3 consecutive years running, nothing short of terrible conditions, low earnings, and here I am... stuck in a one-horse town, lol. - Really no excuse, I know, but this place does suck...I am used to being 5 minutes from the Atlantic Ocean... not in nowhere-ville.
                        HOW I MADE $30,000 IN 3 MONTHS WITH NOTHING MORE THAN A CAST NET AND A DREAM

                        XXX FISHING FOR PROFITS: THE LITTLE KNOWN FISHERY THAT CAN PAY YOU $300-$600 PER DAY

                        Not publish ready, but you get my drift???

                        You already HAVE some unique skill or idea that nobody else has...

                        Maybe it's fishing...

                        Maybe it's some pool or fountain thingie...

                        Cold traffic is brutal...

                        Doesn't care about you at all...

                        What's in it for me???

                        What makes you "the most interesting man in the world"???

                        Find that nugget.
                        (Maybe it's that thing you have wanted to do for ten years and didn't because you were afraid deep down inside that it might fail and ruin that dream)

                        Be bold and test it out!

                        Good Luck, start DOING!
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                        • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
                          Originally Posted by TLScopy View Post

                          You said you wouldn't cry...

                          Hoping you're right!

                          My first reaction was "10,000 hours, tons of funnels, this guy is lost in the joy of fantasizing about the future rather than focusing on building and evolving in the present."

                          I hope that is not the case, and would tell you to find one thing and work that one good thing to death before becoming distracted by the next "shiny new penny"

                          I'd vote to take the delivery job or some other mindless job that pays the bills but lets your mind wander as you work...

                          Keep a notebook at hand and write down everything that pops into your head as something to research or follow up on later...

                          If you truly have spent all this time on your writing and IM, I would be willing to bet that you ALREADY HAVE a winning offer staring you in the face.

                          Remember...

                          Gary Halbert once said...

                          "You are one good offer away from unlimited wealth"

                          Just reading through your posts, I was struck by this paragraph.

                          HOW I MADE $30,000 IN 3 MONTHS WITH NOTHING MORE THAN A CAST NET AND A DREAM

                          XXX FISHING FOR PROFITS: THE LITTLE KNOWN FISHERY THAT CAN PAY YOU $300-$600 PER DAY

                          Not publish ready, but you get my drift???

                          You already HAVE some unique skill or idea that nobody else has...

                          Maybe it's fishing...

                          Maybe it's some pool or fountain thingie...

                          Cold traffic is brutal...

                          Doesn't care about you at all...

                          What's in it for me???

                          What makes you "the most interesting man in the world"???

                          Find that nugget.
                          (Maybe it's that thing you have wanted to do for ten years and didn't because you were afraid deep down inside that it might fail and ruin that dream)

                          Be bold and test it out!

                          Good Luck, start DOING!

                          You must definitely be a returning Warrior such as myself. Welcome back!

                          Get used to some people treating you like your join date is your actual Birth Date.

                          I enjoy your post and can def tell you been around the block my fiend. Keep it up.

                          -Art
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                      • Profile picture of the author dutchguy
                        Maybe not the nicest answer, but the biggest problem I see is coming up with GOOD options and a longer term vison/direction of where you want to go.

                        Looking at the options you given yourself and the forum readers there only 3 options:

                        #1 Sucks
                        #2 Probably sucks a bit less but still sucks
                        #3 Sucks

                        Which one to choose ? If you limit yourself to these three I think #2, but are you sure there aren't any other options to explore ?

                        I mean:

                        - What are the things you are really good at ?
                        - Which things you really like doing, gives you joy and energy and can be (part of) a paying task or job ?
                        - What are you not good at at the moment but do you want to learn ?
                        - What do you want to teach or explain to other people ?

                        Is there some part time or temporary job or part time job that brings in money that can help you more (then just brining in some extra cash) that will also help you getting skills required for your online goal / dream / vision.

                        Just some silly example. Let's say you want a big e-commerce site in dog products. Working a few weeks in a pet story will help get some money and understanding the customers and products better. Yes, I know your particular situation will be a bit more complex then this ...

                        Think my advice would be take option #2 as a starting point and then do a brainstorm with your with / friend / somebody else to get better ideas. And ask around what is available as part time or temporary jobs.
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                        • Profile picture of the author art72
                          Originally Posted by dutchguy View Post

                          Maybe not the nicest answer, but the biggest problem I see is coming up with GOOD options and a longer term vison/direction of where you want to go.

                          Looking at the options you given yourself and the forum readers there only 3 options:

                          #1 Sucks
                          #2 Probably sucks a bit less but still sucks
                          #3 Sucks

                          Which one to choose ? If you limit yourself to these three I think #2, but are you sure there aren't any other options to explore ?

                          I mean:

                          - What are the things you are really good at ?
                          - Which things you really like doing, gives you joy and energy and can be (part of) a paying task or job ?
                          - What are you not good at at the moment but do you want to learn ?
                          - What do you want to teach or explain to other people ?

                          Is there some part time or temporary job or part time job that brings in money that can help you more (then just brining in some extra cash) that will also help you getting skills required for your online goal / dream / vision.

                          Just some silly example. Let's say you want a big e-commerce site in dog products. Working a few weeks in a pet story will help get some money and understanding the customers and products better. Yes, I know your particular situation will be a bit more complex then this ...

                          Think my advice would be take option #2 as a starting point and then do a brainstorm with your with / friend / somebody else to get better ideas. And ask around what is available as part time or temporary jobs.
                          Actually, as of late... I have been giving serious consideration to entertaining a salesman position with a swimming pool contractor and/or a positioning myself in front of potential customers, and floating between supervision and sales in the field.

                          Never really gave it much thought prior, as I saw myself as a one-man-machine in that industry that cranked out jobs like a rabid dog starving for more cash. Despite the many memories of loss suffered at the collapse of that industry back in 2003 - 2004, I kept returning as a 'field guy' and failed miserably
                          as a result.

                          But, I still love to talk about the process and systems involved in building pools, spas, and waterfalls... So maybe a sales gig could tie in nicely to my online ambitions.

                          Which by the way, I have 90% of my first product written, covered, and close to "giving away" for building my list.

                          There is an entire blueprint in my mind, and much like Maslow's triangle... Mine is in direct alignment with seeing it grow from the top down... starting with the relentless pursuit of self-development.

                          I sincerely appreciate all who contributed here... I apologize if I have notpersonally responded to some of you here... As I am busting my ass, trying to re-calibrate my mind from a shit storm of past events... Most of which will make great headlines, stories, and will be sewn in nicely...when I kick the walls down I built to hold myself back.

                          So again, I do appreciate all your responses, equally... As I need that variance of responses to help balance myself, and to get all these ideas out...into a workable, solid plan, and grow back my balls...and just put myself out there! - *Naked and unashamed like a streaking 3 year old baby!

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                      • Profile picture of the author dvduval
                        I certainly didn't go "all in" like you describe. I took some risks from time to time, but my strategy involved going "all in" on learning the skills that would carry me forward in the future, not burning through what I have now.

                        What I did to get here:
                        - Lived in the back of a dance studio where rent was free, while I only earned maybe $200/week
                        - Stayed up late into the night every single night learning SEO for over a year.
                        - Spent hours writing and rewriting plans that I then gave to programmers who helped me bring my visions into reality.
                        - Invested small amounts in many projects that failed on the way to finding good ones.

                        My newest:
                        - Practiced speaking, writing and reading Chinese every day for 2 hours or more.

                        And if there is anything goes wrong with my existing projects or customers, in some cases I am ready to stay up all night making sure I find a solution. It doesn't happen often, but I can be highly motivated to drop everything and do what is needed.

                        All that said, I also have lots of time now to do things I enjoy, which also happen to be things that help me grow.

                        Be careful going "all in" with no vision. Plan what skills you will develop and remember you can do this at any age.
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                        • Profile picture of the author motorkitty
                          Originally Posted by dvduval View Post

                          I certainly didn't go "all in" like you describe. I took some risks from time to time, but my strategy involved going "all in" on learning the skills that would carry me forward in the future, not burning through what I have now.

                          What I did to get here:
                          - Lived in the back of a dance studio where rent was free, while I only earned maybe $200/week
                          - Stayed up late into the night every single night learning SEO for over a year.
                          - Spent hours writing and rewriting plans that I then gave to programmers who helped me bring my visions into reality.
                          - Invested small amounts in many projects that failed on the way to finding good ones.


                          My newest:
                          - Practiced speaking, writing and reading Chinese every day for 2 hours or more.

                          And if there is anything goes wrong with my existing projects or customers, in some cases I am ready to stay up all night making sure I find a solution. It doesn't happen often, but I can be highly motivated to drop everything and do what is needed.

                          All that said, I also have lots of time now to do things I enjoy, which also happen to be things that help me grow.

                          Be careful going "all in" with no vision. Plan what skills you will develop and remember you can do this at any age.
                          This. Precisely.

                          I started reading this thread because it was emailed to me. Man, you are all over the place.

                          I think you mentioned a few pages back you are 43? I too am 43, and I'm still working in a very manual labor intensive trade that I began at 20. My back is killing me, I'm completely physically and mentally burned out, and I loathe every minute of that job. But, I do it because

                          a) bills, food, shelter
                          and
                          b) I don't have the mindset that I'm entitled to a job that always makes me happy.

                          On top of my 40 hour a week profession, I get up at 4am five mornings a week to pick up shifts at Starbucks. $8.25 hr plus "tips" that we split with the entire shop including higher paid managers. But hey, free coffee every day. Then, on weekends I pick up two shifts as an "Event Specialist", i.e., handing out samples of Tostino's Pizza Rolls and the like at Costco, for $11 hr. In my spare time, what little there is (on the train, after dinner until midnight, on breaks at work, etc) I study and learn everything I can get my hands on in the IM world, and I write content like there is no tomorrow. After nearly a year since starting I have not yet begun to monetize my blog, but my content is ever growing, and so is my list.

                          I work 3 mostly crappy jobs at 43 not because I have to but because I can. I want to be debt free and "doing what I love" (blogging) by 50. At the rate I'm going I'll be there at 46, give or take, and barring any crazy life events. Even better. Every single day I thank my lucky stars that I even HAVE a job, let alone 3.

                          And on top of everything, I couldn't give two sh**s what anyone else thinks. I've served coffee and Hot Pockets to old high school acquaintances (and enemies), ex-boyfriends, clients from my day job, etc. and life goes on. Their opinion means absolutely nothing to me, and has no bearing on my goals and my future whatsoever.

                          But, all I hear in your responses is how you will be viewed by others if you do this or don't do that, or what people will think about you doing this or that, or how you once made all this money, but now the work is too hard and doesn't pay like it used to, and fixing toilets is beneath you and boring or whatever else your excuse is, and most ridiculously, how you will only be truly happy with 7 to 10 figures? Man, your priorities are whacked out.

                          You've got to suck it up, buttercup.
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                          • Profile picture of the author art72
                            Originally Posted by motorkitty View Post

                            This. Precisely.

                            I started reading this thread because it was emailed to me. Man, you are all over the place.

                            I think you mentioned a few pages back you are 43? I too am 43, and I'm still working in a very manual labor intensive trade that I began at 20. My back is killing me, I'm completely physically and mentally burned out, and I loathe every minute of that job. But, I do it because

                            a) bills, food, shelter
                            and
                            b) I don't have the mindset that I'm entitled to a job that always makes me happy.

                            On top of my 40 hour a week profession, I get up at 4am five mornings a week to pick up shifts at Starbucks. $8.25 hr plus "tips" that we split with the entire shop including higher paid managers. But hey, free coffee every day. Then, on weekends I pick up two shifts as an "Event Specialist", i.e., handing out samples of Tostino's Pizza Rolls and the like at Costco, for $11 hr. In my spare time, what little there is (on the train, after dinner until midnight, on breaks at work, etc) I study and learn everything I can get my hands on in the IM world, and I write content like there is no tomorrow. After nearly a year since starting I have not yet begun to monetize my blog, but my content is ever growing, and so is my list.

                            I work 3 mostly crappy jobs at 43 not because I have to but because I can. I want to be debt free and "doing what I love" (blogging) by 50. At the rate I'm going I'll be there at 46, give or take, and barring any crazy life events. Even better. Every single day I thank my lucky stars that I even HAVE a job, let alone 3.

                            And on top of everything, I couldn't give two sh**s what anyone else thinks. I've served coffee and Hot Pockets to old high school acquaintances (and enemies), ex-boyfriends, clients from my day job, etc. and life goes on. Their opinion means absolutely nothing to me, and has no bearing on my goals and my future whatsoever.

                            But, all I hear in your responses is how you will be viewed by others if you do this or don't do that, or what people will think about you doing this or that, or how you once made all this money, but now the work is too hard and doesn't pay like it used to, and fixing toilets is beneath you and boring or whatever else your excuse is, and most ridiculously, how you will only be truly happy with 7 to 10 figures? Man, your priorities are whacked out.

                            You've got to suck it up, buttercup.
                            motorkitty

                            Actually, as of 4 days ago (22nd) I am now 44... and the clock's still ticking away.

                            I truly appreciate and found some great inspiration in your story.

                            There too, you state I am all over the place, and my 7-10 figure goals are "Whacked?"

                            If a writer who's been making $100's of thousands of dollars sat down at your booth and asked you where you truly want to be by age 50? (as you say) - you prefer to be blogging.

                            What differentiates you killing yourself at three jobs, from me killing myself to write a Bestseller?

                            Am I to assume you find my goals repulsive because they don't match your order or priority, yet, you profoundly mention that you really don't care what others do, say, or think.

                            I agree, you are right to say - I am concerned for how my messages (writings) are received by both my peers and my audience, as they fall on subject matter relating to and deeply explore philosophy, psychology, metaphysics, business, entrepreneurship, marketing and communications, intellectual properties, and ultimately center upon writing in a manner that provokes action!

                            If I sit down at your table and yell; "Hey waitress... I need some more coffee" - chances are you'll bring me coffee, and in your mind your thinking; "this guy is an a-hole! - But, I'd be the one leaving a $10 tip! (*Because my mother was a biker babe and a waitress, among other things). - Plus, I'd damn sure get your attention, and provoke action!

                            People confuse the truth.

                            You say you want to blog, but prioritize a job that is costing you your back... I suggest you YouTube Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs... and I'll leave you with this...

                            If you watch the crowd reaction to the 4 guys playing on stage, and especially, take notice of Angus Young on the guitar... You will see both the energy of the crowd (moving like one finely tuned-in frequency or energy) and...

                            Ask yourself...

                            Does Angus Young want to play guitar?

                            -Or

                            Doe he need to play guitar?

                            This is how I feel about writing... and I can't write with a hammer in my hand!


                            Now, I respect what you do...

                            But, is it really who you are?

                            Thanks... I appreciate your insights.

                            -Art

                            PS - motorkitty - You are one of the millions who I truly hope to inspire with "my other" writings as they center upon the very issues you openly revealed (i.e. loath every minute, you're in pain, and prefer to be somewhere else, doing something else) and while I read between the lines, pertainng to you working on your list and blogging (*which I assume means writing) - what's stopping you from publishing one piece that replaces the income from the 3 jobs you loathe? time? too many jobs, not enough time to blog? false security clinging to a brutal job? - I am not aiming to throw darts here...just curious "What are you really conveying in your message?

                            You're scared shit-less to pursue the dream over the security of a job(s)... is that about right?

                            Well I am scared shit-less to pursue the job over the security of living the dream! (*Fair enough?)

                            While, I am sick to my stomach (literally, I have been throwing up) with excitement and fear, and even tremble form within on a daily basis, as I left my comfort zone (*the prison of limited beliefs)!

                            I am not looking back, I burned the ships, and if I must bear great scars from this battle... it beats the back pain, and even more so... the mental degradation of what remains of who I really am! - for I haven't the time, patience, or concern to remain a puppet while my dream suffers!

                            I NEED to write... and whatever that means to YOU as another writer, let it be you find it as such an obsession (as do I) - that even my own passion cannot trump the need... I am there, in that place - the dark place, and I'm getting out dead or alive... but I'm not staying in hell another month...let alone 3 more years!
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                            • Profile picture of the author motorkitty
                              Originally Posted by art72 View Post

                              This is how I feel about writing... and I can't write with a hammer in my hand!
                              But, you're not making money with a pen in your hand either. That's my point.


                              Originally Posted by art72 View Post

                              Now, I respect what you do...

                              But, is it really who you are?
                              Yes. Yes it is. It's a result of the choices I've made and the responsibilities I've created. Pie-in-the-sky dreams of being a successful, billion dollar (uh, ok?!!) novelist don't pay my mortgage. But, in a couple of years, I won't have that mortgage. However, I will have built a very solid, sustainable foundation online that will work for me, not me working for it. Everything I do, say, think, etc., is who I am. I didn't start my career hating it; it too was once my dream, and it's a very noble profession. But, we grow, we change, passions change. "Who we are" is fluid. However, I still must be responsible for the actions I took to get here, and the life I have created. Sacrifice is not the same thing as being untrue to yourself. It's just called being an adult.


                              Originally Posted by art72 View Post

                              You're scared shit-less to pursue the dream over the security of a job(s)... is that about right?
                              Naw, man. I think you missed that part where I said I AM pursuing my dream. But my a** isn't lazy and I'm realistic. Every time my back aches I just remind myself I'm one day closer to being debt free and not having to make decisions based on income. I applaud you for having the means to not need a steady income for several months, and put everything on the line at this very moment to pursue your passion. But, not everyone has that opportunity. There is no such thing as job security anyway, no matter what it may be.

                              Originally Posted by art72 View Post

                              Well, I am sick with excitement and fear, makes me tremble at times, actually... cause I am not looking back, I burned the ships, and if I bear scars from this battle... it beats the back pain, and even more so... the mental degradation of what remains of who I really am!
                              Good luck, man! Looking forward to witnessing your journey
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                    • Profile picture of the author greenowl123
                      Originally Posted by James Campbell View Post

                      You should probably slow your roll on insinuating and/or directly calling Eric and/or his FREE offerings and paid offerings a scam.

                      You have admitted you have not read the free offering. You have admitted you know little to nothing about Eric's business or teachings.


                      Holy hell there has been quite a bit of butthurt going on in this thread from one particular person. Just grates on the soul to feel such negativity from a fellow supposed entrepreneur.
                      I wish he would lend me the crystal ball he uses to know what books, eBooks, blogs, etc. that I should read or not read before I even read them. Would save me a lot of time !!

                      Some of the best tips I have learned in this IM game, came from reading free eBooks which I least expected to teach me something useful. On the other hand, I have paid for coaching, hundreds of dollars, and learned very little from the "coaches".

                      The best analogy I can think of is that finding useful tips / information to succeed in IM is like using a sifter to filter out dirt, pebbles, sand, etc. from a river when searching for gold nuggets. Sometimes it takes a lot of sifting, but in the end, it pans out (and pays off).
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                      • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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                        Originally Posted by greenowl123 View Post

                        Some of the best tips I have learned in this IM game, came from reading free eBooks which I least expected to teach me something useful. On the other hand, I have paid for coaching, hundreds of dollars, and learned very little from the "coaches".

                        Read some of Neil Patel and Gary Vaynerchuck. Not too much...
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    • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      Ok... I officially retract my prior statement; "I won't cry!"

      Having just signed up for Eric's book...

      And watched this video, after I opted in:

      History of Eric Louviere – Eric Louviere – The Million Dollar Marketer

      The frequency in which this message "hit home" not only resonated well with me... my eyes actually did wallow up, and even seep (a lil bit) - for it was/is exactly where I am and feel I need to go or rather; become!

      Blows my mind, others have been where I am, for often it is not easy to believe. Hearing Eric's intro - words do zero justice, just f'ing awesome!

      Off to read his book!
      That is GREAT!

      I've always loved Eric and his style... :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Do the pizza delivery. It's usually pretty flexible in the hours you work so you can also do IM.


    Don't get rid of the van, it's an asset. I'm not sure how big the town is where you live, is it possible to do some Craigslist arbitrage? Can you monitor CL for decent free stuff, load the stuff into your van, then have a yard sale once a month? Your wife should be able to handle a yard sale.


    Use your work experience and IM to sell leads to other construction companies. Your wife can answer the phone and take appointments. Use CL and post good ads for a variety of services and take leads and book appointments. CL for local leads like this isn't about posting a single ad, it's about creating ads for as many different services as possible.


    There's other marketing possibilities such as local SEO, etc. Create your own local sites focused on various services and sell the leads. How many of your former competitors have mobile friendly web sites, a social media presence or video ads?
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    Originally Posted by art72 View Post


    ... so fire away! - be brutal, I won't cry!
    I and others have made thousands of dollars with words, and some of my work has fewer words than your last few posts. Brutal enough?

    gjabiz

    PS. Job, definitely!
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    some of my work has fewer words than your last few posts.
    Exactly!

    If you spent even half the time you spend on rambling, stupid forum posts on building an online business you might have something.

    The difference between a day-dream and a plan; implementation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Art -

    I had to start over after Katrina - after the economy - and after the Gulf oil spill...it gets old but you gotta do it. I didn't worry about what people would think when I moved into freelancing....but I was making into four figures by the end of my first month. Why would anyone look down on that? If they do - that's their 'thing', not mine.

    Do some serious "thinkin'" and then let go of what you "were" and "how it was" - and move on to making life the way you want it to be.

    Jobs are different now - you're right about that. There's a large pool of labor - and you're in your 40's. Them's the facts and that isn't changing any time soon.

    I would advise against selling your tools - at least not now when you are up in the air a bit.

    My brother took early retirement - the power company he worked for since college offered it in a series of cutbacks. He was a Senior Vice President and he didn't have to leave - but by taking that retirement he saved the jobs of 3 other people.

    He started his OWN remodeling company - small projects - baths and kitchens and finishing basements and things like that. He had the tools and the knowledge from years of part time work and growing up with a fix-it father.

    His easy going personality and absolute honesty spread the word fast. He doesn't work FOR someone else - he employs 2 helpers. He is happier than I've seen him in years.

    Just saying - keep your options open for a bit. Once you have a plan in place and it seems to be gaining traction - then decide on what to sell or not. Don't make decisions when you are down in the dumps.

    Take a part time job if you want to give you more breathing room and don't start with a complex plan to begin with.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Art,

    I'm not sure why I was surprised a few months ago when you wrote something similar to this post admitting your lack of success online. Maybe because this was just like me in the past but I didn't think you were "that way".

    Just like you I had a bunch of half done projects, sites, books, plans, etc. but going nowhere fast.

    I had a lot of reasons, excuses, justifications, and general mindset issues - just like you. You say you don't have a discipline problem or a work ethic problem but instead it's XYZ (no matter what it is).

    Art what changed for me was to realize that plans, books, half done projects, etc does NO GOOD without finishing and that requires confidence, discipline, hard work, etc. Lots of people start - only the winners actually finish.

    Nothing is going to change in 60 days no matter how desperate you are unless you can throw off all the reasons, excuses, etc. and get something up and then work it every day hard - just like offline - to get a profit.

    This is one of the things I like about the above mentioned Eric. He comes here and gets trolled every time but he asks a simple question: Show me your sales page with an order button (or squeeze page hooked to an autoresponder) right now. This instant. If you can't, and most people that haven't made it online (despite their claims of trying for years) can't, then you have NOT been trying or doing what needs to be done to succeed.

    If you or me or Joe or Jane doesn't have that (yeah I know some do CPA or whatever so their "show me" might be different but the point/principle is true) then we have no reason to be complaining or to do so is to continue going around in circles and spinning our wheels.

    It's not about being around the right people, or luck, or the right circumstances, or competitors, or anything else if we can't get a page up and start driving traffic to it.

    Think about this:

    You've been a member of the forum for 1856 days and have made 1521 posts or .82 every day on average. If all of those posts were as long as the OP at 921 words that equals 1,400,841 words or the equivalent of 14 full length books of 100,000 words. Cut the word count in half and you still have 7 books. Cut it in half again and you have 3 completed books.

    My point on the word count? If you can post here you can post elsewhere (where you can make money in whatever niche you are in) or you can finish the books or turn the words into a whole bunch of videos or audios.

    It's not that you can't - you've done it. It's that you won't actually put it up somewhere and get on with your online life for this reason or the other excuse. Until you can figure out why and change it, nothing is going to change no matter the level of desperation. This was absolutely true for my situation.

    Good luck in figuring it all out.

    Mark

    PS Oh yeah - several good suggestions here. I think I would either do #2 (don't sell anything that is an asset) or follow Kurt's ideas.
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    • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      This is one of the things I like about the above mentioned Eric. He comes here and gets trolled every time but he asks a simple question: Show me your sales page with an order button (or squeeze page hooked to an autoresponder) right now. This instant. If you can't, and most people that haven't made it online (despite their claims of trying for years) can't, then you have NOT been trying or doing what needs to be done to succeed.
      Spot on! Even Frank Kern said something very similar in this legendary video....

      Kern's Commandments....

      Thou shalt NOT f*$k around
      Thou shalt NOT be a pu*@y....

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  • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
    Ummm.

    You aren't going to want to hear this but your plan is going to fail.

    3 months is way too short to build a sustainable business.

    You need about 3 years to even think about getting any sort of decent profit, and that is if things start picking up by than.

    A good rule of thumb in any business venture is that it takes about 5-10 years for maturity.

    Good luck bro.
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    • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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      5 to 10 years?!? Are you kidding? I would die of old age before making any money!

      If a business don't make good money within the first 2 years then is a hobby! Quote from Kevin O'Leary, Mr. Wonderful.
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      • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
        Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

        5 to 10 years?!? Are you kidding? I would die of old age before making any money!

        If a business don't make good money within the first 2 years then is a hobby! Quote from Kevin O'Leary.
        And that is why the failure rate is so high.

        2 years is a pipe dream.

        A real business takes 5-10 years.

        Anything else?
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        • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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          i disagree completely. I give it max 3 years, then i am out! And a lot of successful business people that actually made real money disagree with me. Even less.

          The first business i started made money within 6 months.

          Are we talking about being profitable or making money btw?
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          • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
            Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

            i disagree completely. I give it max 3 years, then i am out! And a lot of successful business people that actually made real money disagree with me. Even less.

            The first business i started made money within 6 months.

            Are we talking about being profitable or making money btw?
            Depends on what you define as "Profitable".

            Running a blog for six months and saying let me give up if my blog doesn't make money in three years doesn't make much sense.

            That's just one example.

            But, if you are spending 1,000 a month on ads and getting nowhere, than that's different, but even that can be tweaked, as marketing is just one aspect of business, and there are cheaper ways.

            You are only as profitable as you set yourself up to be.

            Hope I am making some sort of sense, too lazy to write a long monologue.
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            • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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              Profitable definition:

              "The surplus remaining after total costs are deducted from total revenue, and the basis on which tax is computed and dividend is paid."

              btw i wasnt running a blog. It was an online food delivery business which i sold 6 years ago...
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    • Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

      Ummm.

      You aren't going to want to hear this but your plan is going to fail.

      3 months is way too short to build a sustainable business.

      You need about 3 years to even think about getting any sort of decent profit, and that is if things start picking up by than.

      A good rule of thumb in any business venture is that it takes about 5-10 years for maturity.

      Good luck bro.

      I'm sorry, but this is a terrible paradigm that keeps SO many people from succeeding. There is absolutely NOTHING that says it takes this long to start a business. There are so many people who have started up online businesses within 30 days with little money in pocket. People who say things like this are the ones who will also say that those people just go lucky. NO. They persevered. They got curious about how to do it. They started asking the right questions and then listened for the answer.


      To not stress yourself out about paying bills, you can get a job. However, you must ask yourself, "What would I LOVE?" You've got to have a white-hot burning desire to achieve your dream. Don't confuse temporary defeat with failure. Just because you have experienced temporary defeat in the past with IM, does not mean you cannot be successful with it. Thomas Edison failed over 10,000 times creating the incandescent light bulb and only had 3 months of education.


      It is all a matter of perspective and drive. You've got to what you can with what you have from where you are. There is an answer to everything. You've just go to ask the right questions.


      I HIGHLY recommend 2 books - Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill and The Science of Getting Rich by Wallace Wattles. Work on shifting your paradigms. Don't look to your conditions to determine what you can have and do.
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      • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
        Originally Posted by journeymanifested View Post

        . There is absolutely NOTHING that says it takes this long to start a business. Yep and the majority who say that here have something to sell you.

        . Thomas Edison failed over 10,000 times creating the incandescent light bulb and only had 3 months of education. Took Edison more then 2 weeks to make the bulb also !


        I HIGHLY recommend 2 books - Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill and The Science of Getting Rich by Wallace Wattles. Also took the person in Wattle book a long time to become rich.
        The realty is that 95% of this board won't get rich and to say they can do it in a few weeks is crazy, just by changing their mind set.

        Now on to Art, it is going on 2 weeks any sales yet ? (you do not have to reply, just answer yourself.) Any projects on sale yet ? Hope something is out there or about to go live in the next day. If you have been working everyday non stop. Here is another question you do not have to answer here. If you have been honest with yourself, can you survive in 2 months if it has taken 2 weeks to get anything out there. Be true to yourself and good luck !
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        • Profile picture of the author art72
          Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

          The realty is that 95% of this board won't get rich and to say they can do it in a few weeks is crazy, just by changing their mind set.

          Now on to Art, it is going on 2 weeks any sales yet ? (you do not have to reply, just answer yourself.) Any projects on sale yet ? Hope something is out there or about to go live in the next day. If you have been working everyday non stop. Here is another question you do not have to answer here. If you have been honest with yourself, can you survive in 2 months if it has taken 2 weeks to get anything out there. Be true to yourself and good luck !
          I have no problem being honest... No sales yet.

          As of April 12th, I purchased a new domain to start with a fresh slate.

          So to date... starting with a completely fresh "idea" - the following is either completed, or very near done...
          • Bought Domain
          • Set DNS
          • Installed WordPress/Plugins etc.
          • Optimize Press 2 Installed and designed (*which killed me for 3 days due to an update glitch with WP 4.5 not meshing with the OP2 java)
          • Created my logo (PSD)
          • Create 4 headers (PSD)
          • Created a 3D report cover (PSD)
          • Learned some new CSS tweaks & applied to site design
          • Created 3 landing pages, one with a so/so sales copy on it (prob needs some TLC)
          • Created several pages & menu's (although not all pages are complete yet)
          • Aweber's Set Up - ready to rock n' roll
          • Created 2 Web Forms (for Lists #1 and List #2)
          • First email sequence List #1 is drafted (*awaiting download link to report) Total of 14 emails (*drawn out in a mind map sequence)
          • Have 10 Title's for Blog Posts 1-10 (got to create them still)
          • Created a fan page Facebook - empty for now
          • Added share links (like the one here side tabs)
          • FTC Disclaimer Pages (little ways to go, but I can copy those from another site I have)
          • Installed Google Analytics & Statcounter
          • Have A/B Split Test Video walk through for Google analytics to set up for my PPC ads)
          • Have 5 affiliate products ready that will 'compliment' blog
          Right now, the one thing I love (writing) is killing me... as I cannot seem to 'let it flow' like I often do here... seems when I try to write (or force it rather, it's met with more resistance...)
          • My big hang up, finalizing 30,000 words I've written since April 12th, and chopping it down into a smaller free report... (*which was only supposed to be 4-7 pages long)... I wrote 72+ pages (way too much!)
          • So, organize remaining content for blog posts, maybe Newsletter, or Guest Blogs Posts... over next 2-3 days

          I think tomorrow evening, I will have the report done (add images, sub-headings, quotes, etc.) and create the PDF, zip it, upload it, finish the welcome email... and although I need money, there's nothing for sale

          Just an open invitation to a newsletter... that I am crafting in-between a few blog posts that do include some "links" to affiliate promo stuff, and I have a rough layout drafted for my email sequences for List #2 Newsletter subscribers...

          More importantly, I am trying to prepare for the marketing... social media, maybe a signature link here, some paid traffic credits I'll use up, and from there... write like a mad man to build content, guest blogs, and eventually videos.

          If I can create a minimum of 1000 - 1500 email subs by mid May to June... I think, it would begin the foundation for a sustainable monthly income of $2k per month "all things being" - as I am probably going to start selling some services from the site for now also ... until ramping it up to Phase II.

          I am just throwing a number to the wind here, and forgive me (as I may exceed it...or it might come back and kick me in the behind) but I stated in the beginning only needing $2k per month to survive... and gave myself roughly 2 months to create those sales, focusing only on this one project.

          Even if in 60-90 days, I can start generating an average of $450 - $500 per week (on average) from a multitude of online resources... which may include providing some services (eCovers, logo's, header, writing, copywriting?) - I could be free from having to go back to work, and $450 is about the max I'll make swinging a hammer or taking a plumbing gig... at least in this town!

          So... going back to the beginning... I was not projecting Billion dollar pipe dreams, that was a response to someone saying; "Do what makes you happy" and although I'd love to say I'm just overflowing with joy and pissing rainbows right now... it's actually "scaring the hell" out of me, as said... I am not in my comfort zone right now, time is my enemy right now...

          My enemy is not anyone here, or money, or pipe dreams... I set a time, and I'm going for it, and if I fail... I promise you all will know, and that's my accountability... everyone who contributed to this post... will know.

          Certainly, no one probably cares if I sink or swim, either way, I'll make it entertaining nonetheless... but, I really am leveraging all the responses here as a means to not only motivate myself - but, to face the 'silent jury' that's lurking... and waiting to see if I sink or swim?

          Clearly, if I had a bet riding on me to succeed right now... I'd be nervous!

          Oh, and another thing... being I am only sleeping maybe 3 hours per night, dealing with a woman who is giving me hell, a roommate that spends all day playing Castle of Kings online, doesn't work, doesn't do anything... the stress levels are let's just say INSANE, although, strangely enough - it's the closest I have felt to being alive in quite some time!

          Oh, and I took today off with the exception of proof reading, and trying to step-back and process what I already have written, Spent a good deal of time on here today, which I cannot make a habit of, lol.

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  • Profile picture of the author danieldesai
    Haha, that has to be one of my favorite videos of Frank Kern.

    I wholeheartedly agree with the way Kern so eloquently put it.

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    • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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      Daniel sorry to say but you are not obeying one of the 2 commendments...ehhehe. Eveytime i log in you are here on the forum ehehhe

      Just kidding, i want you to be here. You have good info
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      • Profile picture of the author danieldesai
        Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

        Daniel sorry to say but you are not obeying one of the 2 commendments...ehhehe. Eveytime i log in you are here on the forum ehehhe

        Just kidding, i want you to be here. You have good info
        Plot twist; I'm really planning to launch a crappy WSO and swindle noobs out of their money.

        Naw, I guess the Warrior Forum is my version of "wasting time on Facebook".

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  • Profile picture of the author Bob Stamp
    I didn't read everyone's comments but it seems from your post the answer is obvious.

    Option #4.....

    Use your expertise to hire your own workers for $10-$15 where you supervise/get jobs and also collect a majority of the cash and work on IM in your free time.

    Hell, you could even bring a laptop and kill 2 birds with one stone...
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    No reason you can't take a job and do what you wan't online on the side. At least it's a much safer bet.

    I don't know what your plan is, but I think there are 3 key ways that you can "consistently" make good money online.

    1.You are capable of consistently generating cost effective quality traffic and then you figure out where is the best place to send it, that will offer the highest ROI. Be it your offer or someone else's.

    2, You have something that is in high demand and you partner with those that can do #1.

    3. You have some form of funnel and or back-end, where you have more than one thing to offer. That allows you to pay market cost for traffic, that you can eventually profit from and can financially wait it out.

    For the average person starting out, most don't have any of the 3 and fail or have it in some limit manner and have some success and flame out. I'm sure there are some variation that can exist, but I've been doing this a long time and it's always been one of the three, that made what I was doing work long term.

    Anyway, just my measly 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Kurt - I have given consideration to crafting leads, generating clients for local businesses, even spent $300 on a mobile app, and just couldn't see this as my best fit. The other thing being, I moved to small town that is NOT normal environment, as I moved here chasing fish, go figure, lol.

    Actually made over $30k in just under 3 months my first season, when I knew diddly squat about throwing a cast net. Now 3 consecutive years running, nothing short of terrible conditions, low earnings, and here I am... stuck in a one-horse town, lol. - Really no excuse, I know, but this place does suck...I am used to being 5 minutes from the Atlantic Ocean... not in nowhere-ville.

    Gordon - Yessir, definitely appreciate the truth.

    Sadly, if I had an ice cubes chance in hell in working with you, I intentionally sabotaged it, not to be a smart ass, but because You sir, intimidate me. Not as in I fear you, or bow before thee, or any bs like that - rather, I respect what you've accomplished, and I do desire to write at that level. Perhaps, I just don't believe I can...yet.

    Mark - Yep, definitely a big problem of mine, I have 10's of thousands of writings, so what I post here is a scratch in the bucket. I'm literally obsessed with writing. In word docs alone this month (less than 10 days) I have written over 100,000 words, plus, filled at least (5) 3 -5 subject notebooks, and burned several Pilot G-2 07 gel pens!

    You're absolutely right, I just need to figure out "WHAT" to do with it all?

    Obviously, not all of it will hit home runs, and yet, I do desire to publish books, the irony rests in whether to focus on non-fiction, fiction, prose, poetry, copy, content, etc... Aside, a couple grand in sales oriented articles I've tested, I've never put much of it out there. Still wondering if I deserve to be paid for something I love doing? -. Frigging twisted, I know.

    Kay - For the record, aside my life... there seems nothing relating to a house, a pool, vehicle, or much else that I am not capable of fixing. Don't get me wrong, I am not a master of all trades, but beyond good at most.

    Mentally, physically, no problems, still able to do the work. The problem, spiritually, I flat out "despise" the idea of spending the rest of my days on Earth fixing someone else's toilet, kitchen, bathroom, tile, floors, drywall, windows, doors, cars, etc... As you say, I am not getting any younger. I really want to produce something that can be passed on to the next, as opposed to be "that guy" who renovated your commode, lol. -Not dishing those who do such work, just burnt out on it personally. Plus, these days, all people do is bitch, complain, and want everything for less...not unlike being online, lol.

    Brent - appreciate the honesty. As a grown up product of the 80's I grew up in "tough love" - around some no bs kind of people, so you could say; I feed off negative influences to get positive results. I actually prefer it.

    Zodiax - Honestly, I've been studying this stuff for 5 years, more over as one who obsesses over indulging in knowledge, and yet, that has to be the most absurd statement, I've ever heard.

    Also, I didn't say I expected to see 6-figures in 60 days, I said $1,500 - $2,000 - I could likely do that in 2 weeks, if i pulled my head out of my ass, and ran with it. Maybe even more than that! - If I used paid ads and syndication alone.

    SCrafted - I am on page 58 of 122 now, of Eric's FREE eBook, and find it pure value, nothing ventured, nothing gained. Nobody's twisting my arm to entertain or buy his $10k done-for-you business in-a-box offer, and I'd almost be willing to bet for the right person, that could lead to 6-figures alone.

    Not everything people do is evil, sleazy, or misleading, in defense of what I just read, I feel "connected" to a person who understands the voice in my head, who's been where I am now, and who writes very much like I do... when I speak of similar processes. Strange indeed, and certainly, not a snake oil salesmen, not even close!

    Lastly, I am probably too honest most of the time. So, I appreciate anyone else who remains "transparent" - unfortunately, sometimes we all can't like what we see in the other people, honest or not. Which will never likely change, as mankind professes to be all-knowing... not a strong trait in my book, or any I'll ever write. I'll leave that to the reader to decide.

    Tricky - PRICELESS... between the reference to Eric's book, and Frank's take on me "Being a P*ssy" - which is really, the best way to frame my only excuse... I am forever indebted, good stuff man. Eric might just be that missing link, as I thought I was going crazy... hearing someone else - of his success resonate it as the book does, I feel HIGHER already, naturally of course.

    Bob - You're probably right on man, only problem is; my wife is way better at hiring and firing then I am... I always just told people I couldn't get to perform; "Yeah, next week I don't have much for you, and the week after that ain't looking to good either!" - most the time, I just do it all myself! - Perhaps, there's a lesson to be learned in creating clones, IDK.

    Diablo - Every plan I have mapped out includes deep sales funnels, 3rd party products, my own products, and recruiting or creating a sales force. I mean, at the core is communication, writing, etc.

    However, because I get very methodical, conceptual, and too far ahead of my (1 man army) ideas, I think the best approach is put a book out there (FREE) test my audience, write 10-20 articles a week, split those 50/50 as my own blog posts, and the other half offer as "guest posts" - and concentrate on writing my email sequences, newsletter, and affiliate marketing links sprinkled in.

    I know there's no right or wrong approach here, opportunity is everywhere. I just get stuck... be it on designing or laying out my blog graphics, or choosing one of several books I have already created the 3D covers, landing pages, and opt-ins for, half the time I create 10 versions, before I even remotely like one.

    I'll like the overall idea today, and when I look at them with fresh eyes tomorrow, they always seem to be lacking something... I just created this image for one of my books yesterday. It has potential for future writings if it flies... as it is a "warm up" as Eric calls it. The first one was just a header, the second was part of my landing page...opt-in graphic.





    The red part was thrown on there for now as part of the opt-in graphic... but I haven't determined which landing copy I like best, I've written 4 or 5 already. Most of the content is either written, or could be once I decide the main "bullet points" it aims to solve, and the pieces I want to leave out... so they come back for more... on book two.

    Like many have said, I have several, if not most of the pieces, I just need to finish it, already!

    This first FREE BOOK is more over a pre-screening for the right audience, whereby the back-end gets a bit deeper. Obviously, I don't want to disclose my entire plan here, but there is one... and it can keep going, and keep growing if I package it, and position to the audience I feel would appreciate it, and benefit from it

    Maybe that's the problem, I won't know until I let it go... if it'll fly?

    Obviously, I suck at critiquing my own stuff... s, I guess the only way to know is get sum feedback. After all, when I write, with the exception of threads like this, it's NOT about me... it's about what "THEY" want.

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    • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      Kurt
      SCrafted - I am on page 58 of 122 now, of Eric's FREE eBook, and find it pure value, nothing ventured, nothing gained. Nobody's twisting my arm to entertain or buy his $10k done-for-you business in-a-box offer, and I'd almost be willing to bet for the right person, that could lead to 6-figures alone.

      Not everything people do is evil, sleazy, or misleading, in defense of what I just read, I feel "connected" to a person who understands the voice in my head, who's been where I am now, and who writes very much like I do... when I speak of similar processes. Strange indeed, and certainly, not a snake oil salesmen, not even close!

      Lastly, I am probably too honest most of the time. So, I appreciate anyone else who remains "transparent" - unfortunately, sometimes we all can't like what we see in the other people, honest or not. Which will never likely change, as mankind professes to be all-knowing... not a strong trait in my book, or any I'll ever write. I'll leave that to the reader to decide.
      Don't worry too much about that, he is going to come back and try to sell you something later on... I bet, he sent you already several emails...
      This is just motivational placebo stuff... They throw in couple on practical notions, which i don't find useful most of the times btw, just common knowledge you can find on this forum for free as well (actually this forum is the best option to learn and is free), every 10/20 pages not to annoy you too much. The information contained in this books, online courses is just so vague and meaningless.

      If you take confort from this things and you can motivate yoursef by reading them, then this is another story... I just can't and that's why i don't waste my time on this ebooks, online courses... But you won't find any practical way to make money in this things.

      Correct me if i am wrong. You are at page 60. Can you post something useful or practical you have found in his book?
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      • Profile picture of the author art72
        Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

        Don't worry too much about that, he is going to come back and try to sell you something later on... I bet, he sent you already several emails...
        This is just motivational placebo stuff... They throw in couple on practical notions, which i don't find useful most of the times btw, just common knowledge you can find on this forum for free as well (actually this forum is the best option to learn and is free), every 10/20 pages not to annoy you too much. The information contained in this books, online courses is just so vague and meaningless.

        If you take confort from this things and you can motivate yoursef by reading them, then this is anotherno story... I just can't and that's why i don't waste my time on this ebooks, online courses... But you won't find any practical way to make money in this things.

        Correct me if i am wrong. You are at page 60. Can you post something useful or practical you have found in his book?
        SCrafted,

        Yes, I am sure he will eventually pitch me an offer, afterall the book focuses heaviliy on mindset, focus, the process, and selling online.

        I completely understand, if your not into motivational stuff, although I find people throughout history - writer's especially, Napoleon Hill, Earl Nightingale, Dale Carnegie just to name a few, all sold hundreds of 1000's of books, if not millions, and these 3 examples were long before the internet even existed.

        Regardless of who you are, where you live, what you do, etc... I chose to be grateful for those (throughout history) documented their experiences, and contributed to the pool of knowledge we all now have the privilege to share in.

        In 58 pages, I've learned how Eric's mind works, how he approaches his "process" for selling goods and services.

        More importantly, I believe; as he breaks down the levels of experience one must endure to become a great online salesman/woman... from his personal experience, hardships, and small wins, etc. and I find it sincere and genuine advice, if nothing more.

        For the majority of the last 5 years, I've covered a ton of subjects I either no interest in prior, or had little experience actually DOING before this journey began.

        Ultimately, I consider most of that time "exploring" was me obtaining - content.

        Content about marketing, strategies, tech, research and development, etc... All it encompasses... merely content or subject matter relating to "all things concerning IM"

        However, (call me foolish) - the problem Eric reveals is his methods for breaking that cycle, and focusing more on - process.

        Process - or the "system of processes" that can and should be used if you intend to advance, move forward, or scale up your operations. Which I believe is "universal" be it you sell drugs or Jet Airplanes.

        Lastly, Eric puts it in perspective (one in which I could definitely relate) and it wasn't motivational like "jumping up and down at some ho-down or church event" - it was tangible knowledge, delivered in a way that allowed me to "see and feel" the areas I was weak!

        I believe; I am an intermediate marketer (online and off) for even at my best when I earned low 6-figure incomes, I still wasn't giving my all...or my best, I was holding back, dumbing myself down, trying fit in societies noise, and the boxes people put their shit in - as if I had to play by the same rules.

        I am not going to layout all the bullet-points or reveal Eric's actual "PROCESS" for selling... But, I will suggest anyone serious about selling take the time to read it.

        I'm tired of f#*king around...
        I'm not a p#*ssy... though clearly, I've allowed some old experiences to fester, and by not moving forward... Is exactly how I've been approaching life...like a p#*ssy!

        Transparency.... honesty, and being yourself can be hard when your drowning in all the sh°t that intrudes upon your life...how Eric writes, how Gordon writes, how I decide to write... Or how "WE" communicate, may never have the same impact, effects, interpreted meaning, etc... So, when I find those who can "communicate" on a similar frequency, I TUNE INTO THAT FREQUENCY!

        The only thing I haven't done is "create my own channel (blog, book, videos, audio, etc..) and COMMUNICATE my findings, experiences, and "tangibles" with others who may find value in what I (eventually) decide to create and bring to market...

        For if I never "SPEAK UP" - I'll NEVER BREAK FREE!

        What I intend to bring to market is; My words, my honor, my privilege, and my responsibilty to contribute to life, less I will die... As remaining silent to all the opportunity there is to help others find solutions... Is not only killing me...it's an insult to humanity NOT to SHARE the EXPERIENCE.

        I am grateful... I've somehow allowed myself, my experieces, and my ability to escape me...as if; "I had nothing of value to bring to market" - I became a f'ing mute, a p*ssy, and for reasons I cannot begin to comprehend... Not SCREAM ALOUD to those who need to a WAKE UP CALL!

        I have plenty of content... lifetimes worth. Not everyone's gonna like what I have to say, and I am preparing for that.... But, the who do will FEEL me!
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  • Profile picture of the author VicIncOb
    The general feedback seems to be going with option 2 which is what I would do too if I was in your shoes. It gives you security of some consistent money coming i whilst allowing you the opportunity to focus on what you really want to do. Go for it and good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The problem, spiritually, I flat out "despise" the idea of spending the rest of my days on Earth fixing someone else's toilet, kitchen, bathroom, tile, floors, drywall, windows, doors, cars, etc... As you say, I am not getting any younger.
      That is interesting because your view of that sort of work is so different from what I heard from my brother a few weeks ago. He loves it - says he works with "the nicest people" and the few demanding clients he's had make for some good (and funny) stories.

      He enjoys making a room or a home work or look better and takes pride in craftsmanship - but that's after years of desk and office work so it may be the change that appeals.

      Your different reaction to that is why you must find what appeals to YOU - what gives YOU that sense of accomplishment and keeps you interested and involved.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Hey Art,
      It may sound like going back to a full time job may seem most prudent. Not saying IM is something to totally write off. But at this juncture it may be good to just do that. There is always a way and time to pursue IM on the backburner and do it in your off time


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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Like many have said, I have several, if not most of the pieces, I just need to finish it, already!

      This first FREE BOOK is more over a pre-screening for the right audience, whereby the back-end gets a bit deeper. Obviously, I don't want to disclose my entire plan here, but there is one... and it can keep going, and keep growing if I package it, and position to the audience I feel would appreciate it, and benefit from it

      Maybe that's the problem, I won't know until I let it go... if it'll fly?
      This is what you have to solve before you go anywhere. You have graphics...you talk about a free book and pre-screening and back-end. You say there's a plan....it sounds good. YOu've been think and you are planning and detailing....but...

      That's part of the problem - because you've had the domain for a while...and there is NO site. There is no "perfect" graphic/product/site/book - but what is on your computer is worthless if you don't put it online!

      I would bet what you have so far for that particular site is better than the sig links of many of those offering you advice. BUT - you have to put it out there!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Art -

      Please don't take this the wrong way.

      You are motivated by this thread and what you've watched on videos - and that's great.

      You've had a chest beating Warrior-style emotional moment and feel focused and ready to break down the walls.

      Great.

      Now get to work - nitty gritty time.
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      • Profile picture of the author art72
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Art -

        Please don't take this the wrong way.

        You are motivated by this thread and what you've watched on videos - and that's great.

        You've had a chest beating Warrior-style emotional moment and feel focused and ready to break down the walls.

        Great.

        Now get to work - nitty gritty time.
        Kay,

        'NO'... I am actually NOT motivated by this thread, respectively. I believe; motivation and direction are equally important, and yet if there's any motivation I seek, it's "HOW" to ever accept that I may NEVER be fulfilled or stimulated enough by any measure of success or failure.

        Ultimately, I am exploring the "unknown" - my biggest fears, and making that transition from "somewhere" other than where I am now... into the unfamiliar, a place where I know; I will remain uncomfortable.

        All the "studying" in the world cannot prepare me enough.

        It's a blessing and a curse, to know; "I will never be fulfilled, satisfied, or complacent" - regardless if I make $20,000,000.00 or $20 is obsolete. The real concern, is HOW everything I do from this point on -right now, will effect, influence, and or impress upon others?

        Yes, I am being a bit nostalgic, and for good reason; I've come to accept - "WE" all owe it to those before us, to provide for "ALL" those who "survive" us!

        As John so eloquently puts it; "I know it's time to fish or cut bait" - that's not my weakness. My weakness is deciding HOW big of a NET do I want to throw?

        Obviously, there's work involved. The bigger the catch, the greater the haul, the more the demands (and efforts) will need to increase... I am trying to prepare for that responsibility, ...responsibly.

        Perhaps, I am just "thinking"too much, about never being able to do enough, as our time is short, and I am just pissed off enough to "NOT WANT" to waste any more time... so, REALISTICALLY there's only 2 options "I" have...

        1.) Choose to give it a "voice" and market the hell out of it...

        or...

        2.) STFU and die a slow boring existence!

        That's really all there is to it.

        Meanwhile, I am making a CALL - taking my boat out for a few hours to clear my head, and I'm going to "Nail Down" one message, I've been meaning to publish for over 10 years now.

        Then.. I am going to work my tail off... online/offline or both, for I have to rise above where I am NOW. Whatever sacrifice that requires of me, I welcome it!

        #2 just isn't an option.

        So, it leaves me with #1

        I do still have a passion for fixing things Kay... at heart everything I do is a form of artwork, whether I am digging a trench, throwing a cast net, or writing...it's all the same... I love it all, just forgot how to love myself, lately!

        In a word; "CONFIDENCE" - emphasis on the "I"

        Peace, I need a strong dose of speed, wind, and Mother Nature.

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    • Profile picture of the author Eagle07
      If I were you, I will take the job while establishing my profitable online business. The more streams of income we get, the better.

      I would only quit my job when my online business cashflow is big enough to cover my family needs and luxuries.

      You mentioned that your problem is with PEOPLE, I would say your problem is how you see people. I think you have to check your mindset about people.

      You might want to consider this...
      I came across one business owner who changed his mindset about people and became a key to his success. What he did was to place a sticker in his car's dashboard that says, "People are Good, Business is Great and Life is Terrific" and he kept believing that and it turned out to be true in his business.
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    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
      If you have not made your mind up, talk to the Pizza Shop tell him you can start in 2 weeks. Turn off the Warrior Forum and see if you can put something out there in that time period. If not take the Pizza job and take time to get something together. It will take a lot of pressure off you and your wife.

      Hate to say this but everybody likes to think burn the ships and take the Island. What if you can't reach the Island. Are you prepare everyday to work at home and put stuff out there. It's like any job it has to get done.

      It is way to easy to sit at home by a computer, drink coffee and pass the day by looking at the Warrior Forum, dreaming about things, reading e-mails or books, watching videos not doing anything.

      Here is a quote from a book "Some people rather spend time becoming something, than actually doing something." Writing is fine but if you do not put it out there you are just dreaming. It is okay if you don't burn the boats but float it to shore and start slowly. If a storm approaches you can turn around and head home for another day.

      Good luck what ever you do !
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    • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
      Now if I told someone I was on the worlds greatest marketing forum and the guy did not get the pizza delivery gig someone may look at me crazy but I would say well you had to be there. for the whole story
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      • Profile picture of the author art72
        Originally Posted by Profit Traveler View Post

        Now if I told someone I was on the worlds greatest marketing forum and the guy did not get the pizza delivery gig someone may look at me crazy but I would say well you had to be there. for the whole story
        I about fell out of my chair when I read this post, it actually is funny, even being on the receiving end of the joke! Kudos man!

        Never actually got to meet the guy, got a call saying they already filled the position.

        Getting a job won't be a major problem, although my time is short... so, I can't rule it out... even though I want to be done with exploring dead ends, as it's clear to me... even $20 per hour will not solve the long term goals I have.
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  • From my personal experience, don't sell anything! You will be surprised on how fast you burn the cash when you do. It will be as if there was a meeting where the discussion was centered around how to burn your savings.

    My advise is to scale down your plan to a level you can easily test and see how potent the idea is. get your proof of concept first.
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  • Profile picture of the author Naim717
    I am no expert as I do everything on the side from my military career. This gives me the ability to build with people all over and a additional income while I'm in. I am working on passive income for the future while receiving a PAYCHECK now and having a retirement. A lot of the money made before last year wasn't intended for passive income just NOW money. I love what I do but I also know I will not be able to live off my retirement in today's economy let alone the future.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Originally Posted by Naim717 View Post

      I am no expert as I do everything on the side from my military career. This gives me the ability to build with people all over and a additional income while I'm in. I am working on passive income for the future while receiving a PAYCHECK now and having a retirement. A lot of the money made before last year wasn't intended for passive income just NOW money. I love what I do but I also know I will not be able to live off my retirement in today's economy let alone the future.
      The best post in this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author dee4d
    Art, down inside you, you know that you need to take the big, bold step! You are a warrior. If you don't, it will keep on haunting you (you partly said it).

    So do it. Be prepared, you know it will take some time, you'll go through a hard spell, but eventually, with passion, being persistent and keeping on with your goals, you'll achieve your dreams!
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
    What the hell I thought this was a thread about becoming a PIRATE!

    Burn the Ships & Take the Island...Or...Get a Job?

    OK I am here now anyway.


    The last time I tried to work for someone else I am not proud of this after they gave me an opportunity but I left for lunch and never came back.

    Best decision I ever made.

    I literally was in a cubicle glued to a phone.

    I looked at the cubicle next to mine and the guy seemed to have had an interior decorator come in and made a home of his cubicle! Complete with mini fridge!

    Then there was the clock. I was wondering why was time now moving in slow motion?

    Then every minute I told myself something like I could be just promoting an affiliate link right now and possibly making my entire salary for the day.

    I still use that day to motivate me.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Art,

    It sounds to me like you're afraid of failing. As long as you don't complete your project, your dream is still alive, although it has no chance of succeeding if you don't finish.

    Time is perishable. Every day you don't finish your project is another day of your life you will never get back. Get some urgency. It's URGENT that you complete this project ASAP, or else you will definitely have to get a job and sell your van and tools.

    And if it doesn't work? You'll come up with another idea and the dream will start over.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Art,

      It sounds to me like you're afraid of failing. As long as you don't complete your project, your dream is still alive, although it has no chance of succeeding if you don't finish.

      Time is perishable. Every day you don't finish your project is another day of your life you will never get back. Get some urgency. It's URGENT that you complete this project ASAP, or else you will definitely have to get a job and sell your van and tools.

      And if it doesn't work? You'll come up with another idea and the dream will start over.
      I'd take this one step further and say he's probably more afraid of success. It's not uncommon. People fear the unknown, they fear change, they fear rejection, they fear loss - and "suddenly" succeeding brings the unknown, change, rejection (family, old friends), loss (again - family, old friends).

      And perhaps they also fear the scrutiny of those who would simply swipe at you and call you a snake oil salesman because they don't believe in what you are doing

      It happens. You just have to not take things so seriously (not referring you Kurt...)
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  • Profile picture of the author simonz
    I would suggest trying almost all of it for some time (except selling all of it), and analyzing, what thing you like most.

    Maybe it will work better for you doing more than one thing than one? Everyone is different, so it can work differently for you
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Hi Art,

    I always go with the fun path. But that's me I enjoy doing what I enjoy doing. So even if money and biz and results/outcome stuff clouds my vision, at the end, I'd pick 1 of 3 that makes your heart sing. Because from my life, every time I do that I am happiest and money flows in after. Or, when I can use it. Because you said it; money comes and goes. As you follow your fun, seems to come to me more than going from me.

    This takes clarity, focus, and a committment to trusting the online process or, the creative process. I think you're up to it.

    Kudos for the fabulous post dude.

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  • Profile picture of the author zakirnaik
    the first step may be the dumbest step ....
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Art, you can be exhausting sometimes.

    Here's something to consider...

    Why don't you ever hear the stories of the ones who burn the ships and fail to take the island?

    Could it be that the handful who are successful get to write the history books, and none of them will tell you that they got lucky?

    People love to tell the story about how Bill Gates got started, selling MS-DOS to IBM, and became a billionaire. They never tell you that if the IBM folks were a little smarter or, to use Kern's words, less of a pussy, or if the original owners of DOS had gone to IBM directly instead of licensing their operating system to Gates, BG might be the one thinking about delivering pizzas?

    Maybe you should revisit the idea of creating a business doing what you seem proud to be good at, and just put your wife in charge of HR. You focus on being the kind of boss you lament about missing. Create the win-win-win company rather than getting lost in foggy nostalgia.

    Otherwise, get the pizza job and keep your IM daydreams. Or pick a genre and write something people want to read. If it's fiction, fine. Poetry? Also fine. Do them all. Need some inspiration? Go to Wikipedia and look up Nora Roberts, who also publishes under the name J.D. Robb.

    Don't burn the ships unless it's your only alternative. It puts way too much pressure on when it doesn't need to. But, to use a fishing term I'm sure you'll get, it's time to fish or cut bait.
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  • Profile picture of the author scull79
    Keep all your stuff, suck it up get a job for a bit, do IM part time until you reach a point you can leave the job, no getting away from bills, if you need to sell stuff only sell the stuff that wont be able to make you any money back.

    Hope that helps, and good luck,
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    Option 4 is not on your list. Here it is:

    Since you love marketing, hate fixing toilets, know the fix-toilets business well, why don't you partner with 1 or more people who like fixing toilets but hate marketing?

    You form a new company, you're the marketing department, they're in charge of the rest?
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  • Profile picture of the author PeckhamPirate
    Start making your own pizzas - then deliver them.

    Your wife can do it when she's not blogging about ACL - which I'm guessing has quite a nice little niche associated with it. (Hint,Hint)
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Fox
    Being a salesman sucks...


    money out of thin air.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
    First thing I would do is stop making such long forum posts and make sales pitches instead. That's a lot of copy you just wrote.
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  • Profile picture of the author EPoltrack77
    eye, eye captain!!!! ya mate you know what I say? In this business the weak ones will not make it! In internet marketing or anything else where you have to take responsibility. Getting your you know what wiped for you you know....

    This is not a hobby or a what if kind of thing we have here. The Internet I'm speaking about but a tool that can differentiate better than anything else I feel. Its a skill and all skills are learnable!
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Fox
    Art72 - this video is for you (and for the next Napoleons):


    Burn it!
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Honestly.. #1..

    It sounds like #2 is a half and half attempt, to me. either go all in or nothing..
    #3 sounds like you would be settling and miserable..

    Go BIG or go home.. or in this case.. go all in, or give up..


    All the best!
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  • Profile picture of the author greenowl123
    Hey Art,

    I can definitely relate to where you are right now in your life.

    I will briefly share my IM experience with you : I started out promoting dating offers back in 2008, mainly getting paid for leads I generated for AdultFriendFinder (they burned me after my first 6 payments I got from them, but lesson learned). I mostly drove traffic by placing free classified ads on any and all classified ad sites I could find, both in English and Spanish.

    Very time consuming, repetitive and boring ! Outsourcing the work to V.A.s really took away most of my profits, so I moved on.

    Next I studied everything I could find on SEO. Created a lot of blogs, 50 or more, and put adsense on all of them (Amazon and Clickbank too) but most of my earnings were from Adsense clicks. I had 3 favorite gigs on Fiverr, guys who built buffer pages for me on free blog platforms like Weebly, then others who created backlinks to the buffer pages, etc. and that when I used them in combination, and timing them properly, got a lot of my blogs within the top 3 to 5 positions on Google SERP.

    I was doing very well for several months. Until... the Penguin Update came along.

    All of my blogs lost their positions on Google almost immediately.

    After that, I struggled with "how to get traffic" without resorting to SEO. Tried lots of different things.

    What I did, and what I suggest you to do as well, is read some books about Marketing and Advertising which you can either find at your local library, used book store, eBay or on Amazon.

    Some of the authors and books which I found most helpful include :

    John Caples
    Dan Kennedy
    Craig Simpson (his book with Dan Kennedy) : The Direct Mail Solution
    A book titled "Consumer Behavior : Building Marketing Strategy" (a college textbook)
    Claude Hopkins "Scientific Advertising"
    Various books on Direct Selling / Direct Marketing
    ... and not to sound insulting at all (since I have read these myself) : Advertising For Dummies and Marketing For Dummies

    If in doubt about what books to read, just go to Amazon and search for whatever the topic of the book is, such as "Copywriting" and then sort them by ratings, and read the comments from people who bought and reviewed the book.

    Making money becomes a lot easier when you have a good product or services that people want or need and know how to get people to first see what you are offering, then know how to convince them that you are the one they should be getting it from (hundreds of ways of doing this, some more effective than others).

    My wife is a hair stylist and has her Facebook page up with pics of her work on previous clients and gets calls and emails daily from women here in Lima, Peru who are interested in her service. I quickly created that Facebook page back in 2011 and now she runs it like a pro and knows how to sell her service to very demanding women and makes them into repeat clients (if they are not too difficult to deal with). She has so many clients that now she can pick and choose clients as she deems fit. If she can do it.. believe me.. you can do it. She is very good at her job, but would forget her feet if they were not attached to her legs And I won`t even mention how she drives a car (scary).

    Good luck !

    P.S. - I vote for Domino`s or Papa Johns too (and hold on to your physical assets, tools, van, etc. unless there is no other option).
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  • Profile picture of the author MValmont
    Only you know that answer my friend.... I quit
    My job after only a few months, but I have no kids and basically no responsibilities so it is not a big deal ( even though I quit a good job as a financial analyst and coming back years after would be really hard).

    Are you making money now? How secure is your stream of income? Do you have any savings? Basically, are your fear based on realities or on nothing at all?
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Quick update... Pizza Delivery is scratched, they hired 2 new people, said if something doesn't work out, they'll give me a shout. (*Maybe they didn't like the way I sthink) - I have some other options to explore, and spent a good part of the day working on a salespage.

    For the record, there turned out to be some "eye-opening" posts here.

    I am officially only permitting myself a MAXIMUM - 1 hour per day (if that) on the WF- as it's obvious, I need to better utilize my TIME. No offense, of course, some of the recent posts, opened up a ton of stuff I will comment on when time permits.

    Thank-you all for being a well-diversified bunch, kinda like a big dysfunctional family (of sort) when you step back look closer. I do appreciate all the "food for thought"

    - Art
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  • Profile picture of the author goyem
    you need to have a mentor

    just like kung fu ... u need a master
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  • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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    There are many other jobs you can find. I have a feeling regardless of what everyone says, to get a job, you won't listen and i think you already knew that from the beginning.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Well the thing about jobs is that they are not secure.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

        Well the thing about jobs is that they are not secure.
        Nothing in life is

        My wife, who worked at a very big company, just lost her job because after 45 years in the U.S., they decided to close her plant.

        Such as life. I now have my own business and I feel more secure than at any point working for other companies.

        Funny thing about this I.M. business. I worked hard to be successful at it and it took me quite a few years to reach that success, and I can say a couple of things:

        - It wasn't until I worked with mentors that I finally started to see success.
        - I started networking with like minded people by going to seminars, marketing events and Warrior lunches.
        - I saw my BIGGEST successes when I found the "perfect" partner - someone who had skills I lacked and I had skills he lacked.
        - Once I started having success, I realized how much WORK and creativity it takes to maintain that success - especially if your success is based on creating and launching products. Some people are good at that. I was only marginal. So I got totally sick of it

        Everything above applies to me. I don't know if it applies to anyone else. All I know is I got burned out and took a couple of years off. I started my other business in my old field. I find working for myself MUCH less stressful than when I had to go to meetings, play corporate politics, watch my sick days, etc. I live a great life and make more money than at any other time in my life.

        I still have an online dream. I am working on ONE project now - and have been for close to 2 years. When it launches, my hope is that it will generate a substantial second income for my family. And it's NOT a "one off" product. It is a SAAS site with a monthly income potential.

        Time will tell. The bottom line is to REALLY decide what you want to do and focus on ONE thing.

        That was my big take away.
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

        Well the thing about jobs is that they are not secure.
        I've been employed in my field of work for 23 years and have never had a gap in employment. They've been very secure for me. Just sayin...
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        • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
          Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

          I've been employed in my field of work for 23 years and have never had a gap in employment. They've been very secure for me. Just sayin...
          So.... What you're saying is you been working as a Sys Admin for 23 years and "have never had a gap in employment."

          BUT, you have been "laid off" or "fired."

          That doesn't prove your point jobs are very secure...... If they were, you wouldn't have been "laid off" or "fired." You would still be at your first job. Just sayin'. :-)
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          • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
            Originally Posted by TrickyDick View Post

            So.... What you're saying is you been working as a Sys Admin for 23 years and "have never had a gap in employment."

            BUT, you have been "laid off" or "fired."

            That doesn't prove your point jobs are very secure...... If they were, you wouldn't have been "laid off" or "fired." You would still be at your first job. Just sayin'. :-)
            I left all all of my jobs voluntarily to advance my career, save for one, which I stuck around intentionally for to collect a 5 month severance rather than leave voluntarily and collect nothing. And I haven't been a "Sys Admin" for my entire career. I now design networks and have people reporting to me.

            I also don't see where I said anything about jobs being "very secure". Can you direct me to that passage?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sempeneh
    how about solo ads coaching program ? is it ok ?
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Sempeneh View Post

      how about solo ads coaching program ? is it ok ?
      To be a Coach or are you asking about paying a Coach to help you in this area ??
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Dini
    You should probably work a normal job for the time being, at least to be sure you can keep your current bills paid. 60 days is not a lot of time, and could sneak-up on you pretty quickly.

    But don't give up on creating your own business and building your dream lifestyle - and as Andreis suggested above - you probably need a good coach.

    Whatever your ultimate decision, I wish you only the best!

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author pamogatrw
    its a bit hard to start something if you haven't got the money
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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      Originally Posted by pamogatrw View Post

      its a bit hard to start something if you haven't got the money
      Starting costs nothing.

      In fact, in 30 days using only FREE tools, I've shown a young Warrior how to make over 1,000 bux, and that by offering a small report via his WF sig file.

      And, here...a FREE gift to help you get started too:

      http://www.gjabiz.com/freeze.pdf

      Use the tools, or find more current and/or updated versions and eliminate all excuses for not getting started. Takes effort, NOT money!

      gjabiz
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        Damn it, now everybody knows the secret! Now, everybody's gonna put in the effort and where shall we all end up?

        Good list. Now all you've gotta do is create a report that imbues readers with the willingness to put in the effort, the resilient attitude required to succeed and...





        Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

        Starting costs nothing.

        In fact, in 30 days using only FREE tools, I've shown a young Warrior how to make over 1,000 bux, and that by offering a small report via his WF sig file.

        And, here...a FREE gift to help you get started too:

        http://www.gjabiz.com/freeze.pdf

        Use the tools, or find more current and/or updated versions and eliminate all excuses for not getting started. Takes effort, NOT money!

        gjabiz
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  • Profile picture of the author BrownBeard
    Burn th' Ships & Take th' Island matey. If ye spend 14 hours a day hardcore at IM, sooner or later ye gunna break through. Smash th' SERPs, smash th' Facebook, smash EVERYTHin', then take all 'o ye earnin' 'n reinvest it. New products gunna come out all th' the hour, be ye ready to smash their launches? i reckon th' issue be ye willin'ness or lack 'o be relentless assault th' problem.

    Line it up and BURN IT DOWN.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    get job

    earn money

    setup domain, list building squeeze page, get auto responder

    basically the start you can build list, and use them to replace your income

    then quit, and reinvest profits to paid traffic to <> squeeze page.

    This is how $10,000 a month business could be set up in a few months. IF done correctly.

    When I first started I basically made sure my business was 3 x times my 9-5 job income, before I went full time.
    [this is an important start] make sure you can support your marketing, and paid traffic efforts, before you up and leave your job.
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  • Profile picture of the author MSutton
    IMHO, from experience, there is only one way to go in the western world these days....to have a job AND multiple streams of part time income on the side. Jobs and businesses are very unreliable so it best to have both.

    The reason why always having at least a part time job is necessary is that most employers look at self-employed people as "unemployed", believe it or not. Especially "internet-based", "work-at-home" "entrepreneurs". Been down that road for the last 30 years. "Entrepreneurs" are very much frowned upon in the "J.O.B. world". If you aren't working at a JOB and you have to employ yourself to make a living then you must not be very employable (that the way they think, not me).

    So if you try to make a go of a business and it falls after a few years and you have to go get a job, you will look like (to employers) that you did nothing for those few years. Again, they look at self-employed as "unemployed" for the most part. 99% of the managers and HR workers that hire you don't understand "self-employment".

    This is mostly due to the fact that the average worker has no idea what owing and running a business is like or entails so, to them, it's kind of a fantasy and an excuse prospective job seekers use to account for employment gaps. Therefore, if you say you have been self-employed for X years, you might as well tell them you were unemployed and collecting a welfare check. Same thing in their eyes.

    Pizza/food delivery...been there, done that. Did it for 8 years off and on. $15.00 is not much when you consider gas and wear-and-tear. Delivery driving is really REALLY hard on your car. You are lucky if that $15/hr amounts to even $10/hr after gas and wear and tear. Tips are also very little and non-existent these days because most places (even the big boys like Dominos, Papa John, etc) charge a delivery fee so people don't tip delivery drivers nearly as much as they used to, if at all. I would never go back to this type of job. It was somewhat lucrative back when gas was under $1/gal and people tipped $2 per delivery (on average). But no more.

    There's only one way out, and that is long hours.

    Meaning, get a job (but not delivery using your own car), even part time (but preferably full time) and do the IM thing (whatever that means) on the side.

    Look at those single moms who hold a FT job and go to school FT. That's what you have to do. All work, no sleep.

    If you lose focus because of your job, you are not committed enough. In that case, best to get a full time job AND maybe even a part time job as well and forget IM.

    JMHO.
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by MSutton View Post


      So if you try to make a go of a business and it falls after a few years and you have to go get a job, you will look like (to employers) that you did nothing for those few years. Again, they look at self-employed as "unemployed" for the most part. 99% of the managers and HR workers that hire you don't understand "self-employment".

      This is mostly due to the fact that the average worker has no idea what owing and running a business is like or entails so, to them, it's kind of a fantasy and an excuse prospective job seekers use to account for employment gaps. Therefore, if you say you have been self-employed for X years, you might as well tell them you were unemployed and collecting a welfare check. Same thing in their eyes.

      Pizza/food delivery...been there, done that. Did it for 8 years off and on. $15.00 is not much when you consider gas and wear-and-tear. Delivery driving is really REALLY hard on your car. You are lucky if that $15/hr amounts to even $10/hr after gas and wear and tear. Tips are also very little and non-existent these days because most places (even the big boys like Dominos, Papa John, etc) charge a delivery fee so people don't tip delivery drivers nearly as much as they used to, if at all. I would never go back to this type of job. It was somewhat lucrative back when gas was under $1/gal and people tipped $2 per delivery (on average). But no more.

      There's only one way out, and that is long hours.

      Meaning, get a job (but not delivery using your own car), even part time (but preferably full time) and do the IM thing (whatever that means) on the side.

      Look at those single moms who hold a FT job and go to school FT. That's what you have to do. All work, no sleep.

      If you lose focus because of your job, you are not committed enough. In that case, best to get a full time job AND maybe even a part time job as well and forget IM.

      JMHO.
      There were so many great points brought here that I'll just say; "You are absolutely right about the longs hours are the only way out" - and I am prepared to put the time in, it would be easier if I could get my other half moving too.

      Also, your take on how employers "see self-employed" people as "unemployed" - definitely a vision that gets painted into the minds of those who've never owned or operated a business before, and for the ones that do understand it, it can be even worse, as was so with my last employer. I think he saw me as possible competition. It's not like you can say; "I'm just here until my other business takes off." - they damn sure don't want to here that!

      I appreciate your contributions, I've had a couple conversations with people since this began, and while it is leaving me to question some of my weaknesses, it too has exposed quite a few strengths and possible building blocks I can use to move forward..

      You often forget all the things you know how to do, when the ceiling seems to shrinking. Add to that how time starts flying by, and it definitely makes you think - "What's the best make use of all that was left behind?'

      Obviously, writing on subject matter that I've had experience with is one way to do it, and it's probably a good starting point. That and a job for now.

      Thanks,

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    in inspiration to us all
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  • Profile picture of the author maxsi
    probably the best suggestion is => get a coach/mentor to start a business

    otherwise you can waste tons of money + time to get failures
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    Good luck with your decision, Art
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Jackman
    hope you can find your all right way in the future. cheer up.
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  • Profile picture of the author jpf239
    Well this long question or set of questions and thread, gets my attention as the WF emailed me the thread.

    I would just say that mostly I am not reading every reply right this minute because I want to just add thoughts to the original post first and not be redirected by conversation engagement. I make time to write my books and publish them on Amazon, the audiobooks, paperbacks and all. I have a small list, blog, and products other than books from product creation.

    But I still don't market it extensively like I know I could. Mainly because I need the other money I make to maintain. So I got the whole experience in construction for many years, the van and tools thing going on as well. But what I do is plan; and then build on that plan, using a mind map for direction. I work two jobs. A job that is Jerked Outta Bed, and a job of passion.

    So for the Job that I do to make sure I have monthly money (Takes care of diabetic wife and such), I use my skills in fixing the realtors homes and stuff. For the Job that I do of passion (IM) I program my coffee pot for 5:00am, set alarm for 5:10am, and sit at my desk to a cup doing my passion learning all I can, following advise and training, and creating product. Toward the end of 2016 you will see the result of one I have going now. But the point is I work the IM job from 5:30am until 8:15am and then I go to the van and the other job.

    If you have to be at work earlier, I used to do this: Go to bed at night earlier and get up earlier, and still work the IM for the same amount of time. I also put in a good hour or two in IM after work doing the things that I know I don't have to be so fresh to do.

    The other point I would make here is I do not have to go for broke or make the ultimatum and such, I get paid from Amazon, payments to my Paypal, and from ClickBank, and others just by having been working that passion work in the early am. I am as close as I have ever been to getting out of the repair business but I still do that just to give myself more time on the IM to grow and have the funds to live and feed that growth.

    So I say keep the van, sell the boat maybe, but work job one and job two both. Most people are at their very best in the morning and your body and brain has the most energy and coordination, so use it up by working on your dreams first and then go to get that other for-sure money. If you do this you are past the decision process. I wish you a ton of luck and hope to read a post about your success soon...JF
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by jpf239 View Post

      Well this long question or set of questions and thread, gets my attention as the WF emailed me the thread.

      I would just say that mostly I am not reading every reply right this minute because I want to just add thoughts to the original post first and not be redirected by conversation engagement. I make time to write my books and publish them on Amazon, the audiobooks, paperbacks and all. I have a small list, blog, and products other than books from product creation.

      But I still don't market it extensively like I know I could. Mainly because I need the other money I make to maintain. So I got the whole experience in construction for many years, the van and tools thing going on as well. But what I do is plan; and then build on that plan, using a mind map for direction. I work two jobs. A job that is Jerked Outta Bed, and a job of passion.

      So for the Job that I do to make sure I have monthly money (Takes care of diabetic wife and such), I use my skills in fixing the realtors homes and stuff. For the Job that I do of passion (IM) I program my coffee pot for 5:00am, set alarm for 5:10am, and sit at my desk to a cup doing my passion learning all I can, following advise and training, and creating product. Toward the end of 2016 you will see the result of one I have going now. But the point is I work the IM job from 5:30am until 8:15am and then I go to the van and the other job.

      If you have to be at work earlier, I used to do this: Go to bed at night earlier and get up earlier, and still work the IM for the same amount of time. I also put in a good hour or two in IM after work doing the things that I know I don't have to be so fresh to do.

      The other point I would make here is I do not have to go for broke or make the ultimatum and such, I get paid from Amazon, payments to my Paypal, and from ClickBank, and others just by having been working that passion work in the early am. I am as close as I have ever been to getting out of the repair business but I still do that just to give myself more time on the IM to grow and have the funds to live and feed that growth.

      So I say keep the van, sell the boat maybe, but work job one and job two both. Most people are at their very best in the morning and your body and brain has the most energy and coordination, so use it up by working on your dreams first and then go to get that other for-sure money. If you do this you are past the decision process. I wish you a ton of luck and hope to read a post about your success soon...JF
      JF... inspiring man, as I can surely relate!

      Only now, I don't exactly have a lot of paying gigs where my van and tools seem to fetch their true worth, as it seems unless I am working for myself in that field, the money just isn't enough to support the family bro.

      People here expect you to show up with your own tools, truck (or van) a driver's license, and insurance, phone, etc.. yet they want to pay people between $12 - $15 an hour, and it just doesn't allow me to even remotely enjoy renovating houses, pools, or the likes.

      I am an all around excellent plumber by trade, and also know a great deal about windows and doors, knock-down finishes and textures, electrical, flooring (i.e. tile, laminate, etc..) as well as all the basic handyman stuff. My only weakness is A/C as I am not HVAC certified, which most maintenance positions require.

      However, I will never rule out having to "fall back" on those skills, although I am ready to move on and be done with it, unless it's a pet project, or something I can be respected for doing. I'm down here in Florida by Lake Okeechobee, and well.. if you've ever been here, it's a nice place to fish, and maybe retire... not so much for finding decent paying gigs.

      Thanks JF,

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  • Profile picture of the author MSutton
    #1 - Dominos isn't the only Pizza place in town, I'm sure. If you really think getting a part time pizza delivery job may help you to get a leg up for a while, then go to every pizza shop in your town and apply for a delivery position - even if they don;t have a help wanted ad out or a help wanted sign in the window.

    99.999999% of pizza shops deliver. Every town has at least 10 pizza shops.

    No one is going to "give" you a job, you have to "get" a job.

    #2 - No offense to you or your wife, but a torn ACL doesn't make her disabled. She can look for a job, too. There are jobs she can perform even with a torn ACL. Here's is a somewhat honest list of places that hire customer support and customer service reps to work at home. There are others.

    Work From Home guide | Clark Howard

    Apple hire work-at-home support reps, too.

    https://www.apple.com/jobs/us/aha.html

    Being how she has been in that line of work before, she has a good chance of landing a work-at-home telephone job. They are not easy to get because they prefer people with experience with both phone customer service/support AND working at home. Your wife has the first. If they can deduce that she has a suitable home work environment (no kids or loud pets) and has the discipline to work unsupervised, then she may very well be able to land a work-at-home customer support/service job.

    Even if she can't there's no reason a torn ACL would disallow her to get a similar job in an office setting.

    This is western civilization. If the husband is not willing to or can't work 2 or 3 jobs, then the wife has to get a job, too.

    Welcome to hell.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Iannotti
    Going to be quite frank without writing a book's worth, because it could easily be that long.

    Many...MANY people didn't make it online, until they put there own backs to the wall and put themselves in a position where it was succeed or become homeless, including myself. This was nearly 7 years ago, and I haven't looked back. I'm not instructing you to do the all or nothing approach, but like I said, MANY people seem to succeed when they simply had no choice.

    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by Matthew Iannotti View Post

      Going to be quite frank without writing a book's worth, because it could easily be that long.

      Many...MANY people didn't make it online, until they put there own backs to the wall and put themselves in a position where it was succeed or become homeless, including myself. This was nearly 7 years ago, and I haven't looked back. I'm not instructing you to do the all or nothing approach, but like I said, MANY people seem to succeed when they simply had no choice.

      Good luck
      Thanks Matthew!

      I'm in that place now, and sadly... I think this is where my true creativity lives, when it's all or nothing, and some of my best works (writings & drawings) have always come from when I was either near down & out, or was down & out.

      I guess, many artists, creative people, musicians and the likes often resonate so well with their respective audiences, because they too know what it 'was' like trying to get back up!

      At least, a great deal of the music I listen to seems to be 'under that influence'.

      Now I just need to find tune my instrument (my mind) and break free from any and/or all that stands between me and the goal. If I fail, it will not be for a lack of effort, that I do know.

      I cannot predict "how long" something can take to see results pertaining to my online efforts, but I can say that I am not a big fan of oodles of noodles, or microwave dinners, and that seems to be at the top of the food pallet momentarily, as it happens.

      Thanks,

      Art

      PS - Although I live in Florida, as a kid I grew up in Rhode Island, and there were a lot of Ianotti's in the small town I grew up in. Though it's been awhile since I've been home, it was mostly Italians and Irish where I grew up, you learn fast, or your got you ass beat!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashley Clark
    Wow, what a post )
    Its always easy to say "do what you want and you'll succeed", but so hard to bring that to life.
    As you said previously, you feel lost. It comes from the unknown of what to expect next. You dont know what will bring you the "thing" that you spent time and money on.
    By having a part-time job you will insure yourself and will definitely know that you have income to live on. At the same time you will have time to try new things and learn smth new.
    So as the majority, I would choose #2 option.
    Never give up and keep hoping.
    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author jadesource
    Art, I've been there. And it's only when you decide that you are so happy that Dominos will give you a 15 dollar an hour job and you are relieved to get it that you truly are on the way back up.
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  • Profile picture of the author jadesource
    wait I was writing and it cut off an posted..... Ok, the basic thing to do is stabilize in whatever way you can. that might mean sell the boat van etc and take the job. but stabilize.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Isn't it funny... when you start to see a glint of hope, just how fast nonsense intrudes... be it arguing with your spouse, having vehicle issues, or some $300 piece of software all but drives you insane!

    Over the last couple days, I became real familiar with Cpanel, FTP, and Optimize Press... as it had me all but tearing my hair out it wades, my notes, drawings, and passwords scattered everywhere... like something crazy like in the movie; "A Beautiful Mind" - where I am beginning to feel like a mad scientist!

    Several people have mentioned there's a lot of content on this thread alone, and that I should caution "how much" I share or let eek out here, as some or all could, in essence; be a used elsewhere.

    Truth is, there's no lack of abundance, just like markets do not get saturated to the point of being at the risk of drowning for simply pursuing the bigger niche markets. At least, not if you already know how to swim... of course.

    Any way, the floodgates are open... ideas are forming and connecting, and thanks to some awesome contributors here... I am starting to see with a greater sense of clarity... what "I" need to do with it all.

    However, I came in here today to brag a bit (lol), as it took me nearly 3 days... to learn as of April 12th when WordPress updated to version 4.5 - my Optimize Press theme would no longer function (java conflicts)... for which, James and crew (owner of OP 2) provided a plugin patch... yeah, there's a FRESH blog post for one of you 'techie types' who want to help people like me escape 3 days in hell, lol!

    So, patch applied "gaarrrr" - and I'm smooth sailing again!

    My point is... though I can be cold-blooded at times and enjoy the warm and toasty fires we all have to extinguish in our personal pursuits... there is no way in hell to ignore all the good that escapes from us... when we take note of our many failures!

    Those lessons, are priceless!

    And as I reflect upon the 87 different gigs I have had in my 30+ years of working and earning an honestly living - one thing has become clear; I have enough content to write about for 5 or 10 lifetimes!

    So, I'm not holding back, I'm taking Frank Kern's advice to heart; "Don't F'ck Around!" and "Don't Be a P'sssy" - for I've watched that video 20X now and it just never gets old! (*Since I can't pretend to be a saint, he reminds me, to be yourself! - doesn't matter what everyone else does, says, or thinks... be yourself, man -or- woman! -or- in some cases, both... if your into that sort of thang, - which still, behooves me...btw, lol.))

    As far as the 'technical difficulties' this week, yeah... major setback. Those lost hours 'searching' for what was such a simple fix, is, can, and has... made me walk away from this shit several times prior, as it challenges your patience and drains your focus... but, despite similar 'fix-it' posts appearing on Google search... there are always *New Problems to fix, and as such; anyone who questions if there is money online, need not look very far... surely, I would have paid to know about that 'hidden gem' - I eventually found on James Dyson's trouble-shooting thread - of all places to look, right? - DOH!

    (*Maybe, the real lesson here is to be, and become a better researcher, eh?")

    Alright, time's burning... as is daylight, and I got some oil to burn - before the electric company 'flips the switch' and cuts the lights off!

    Option #2 definitely, I can almost appreciate going to get a job, as in the back of my mind, behind an almost sinister grin, I shall do what thou must... to finance this expedition!

    Kindest Regards All,

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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    dvduval - Right on... I can't imagine any of my ideas (as of the moment) will produce any real 'instant gratification' as the primary focus is to reach my target audience in such a way that first builds a 'silent' trust, and caters to 'their needs' over my wants.

    It's funny you mentioned software development, being I am far from 'programming the php paths" (a language I intend to learn eventually) - all language (or communication) seems to be deeply rooted into the core values, needs, wants, desires of the people, whether be it English, Chinese, or ANY form which provokes or enables thought, which leads to either action or inaction. Hence, we all market through our own chosen mode or means of communication to give and receive that which we need most.

    I agree; "going all in and all out" requires sacrifice... as you mentioned living in a dance studio, late nights, and willing to put your wants "on hold" for the greater needs of both your customers (life blood) and yourself, in having the vision, discipline, and desire to see it through.... it's a hard road, no doubt. - I've experienced similar in other ventures offline, some turned out better than others.

    Either way, part of "going all in" if not the root of it, is not only knowing the risks, but be willing to put a great deal at stake, willing to continue the pursuit. In this case, that will quite possibly include (me) getting a job, sacrificing whatever need be sacrificed, as I am beginning to feel; "I have no better options" - nor do I desire any. It's easy accepting the challenge, it's hard to "see" it through! - but, if that means the dreaded; "Go get a job you bum" - comes to play, that that's a hand I'll be forced to "bluff" my way through, and play through it!

    Great post man, I lived in a 4,000 sq ft metal warehouse for nearly 18 months... prior to where I live now, trying to convince myself; business was more important than renting a house... given the choice, definitely the warehouse, although the 'finances' never did come to build that vision...and for good reason, I really do not desire an expensive marriage to a stationary (offline) gig, if I can help prevent it!

    Thanks for contributing!

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  • Profile picture of the author williamwhitton
    Originally Posted by art72 View Post

    Fellow Warriors,

    Being aware of the "what to do if your desperate threads" and the likes... and know; nobody can make this decision for me, here goes;

    If you had all the basic ingredients (i.e domains, hosting, Aweber account, etc...) and some solid marketing knowledge, writing skills, and were about broke financially, of the following options...which would YOU pursue...

    Oh wait... I forget to mention, I have a full sized van in my driveway filled with tools (i.e. construction, handyman type shit, etc...) connected to that van is a 16' Jon Boat, Motor, and trailer... both were prior "self-employment" attempts that failed. (Commercial fishing, which I love...but not enough mullah, and construction which I have 30 years of trade skills, and do not desire to bend over anymore, lol for $12-$15 per hour, especially! -as that seems to be today's average wage, if I go get a job!)

    Again, it's a decision I am weighing heavily, but if I sell my van, my boat, tools, nets, etc... I could easily fetch $3500 - $5000 - letting it go cheap, to sell off fast!

    I recently purchased a "Mazda 3" that gets 25 mpg... so, I might keep a bucket of essential hand tools, just in case... I need to take up another construction gig, which at 43 years old, I truly would despise having to do.

    That $3,500 -$5000 will buy me 60 days of stress free, bills paid freedom to get real with my online gig.

    So, of the options below... which would you pursue, honestly...

    1.)Sell everything "Go All-In" and go for broke online... meaning focus ONLY on writing, marketing, affiliate promo's, etc...

    Note: I have no list, a solid plan and concept, 10-15 well written articles, most of my design, all compliant pages, and web forms, free reports, and a half-written book or two, or three... hell, about 10 really! - Plus, a ton of White Label graphics... not to keen on most PLR stuff! - but, quality graphics I have plenty of reseller rights to...

    2.) Domino's is hiring driver's part-time $15 an hour, it's easy, cheesy, but might keep me motivated to quit relying on "outside" jobs trading my time for money... I am actually talking to the manager tomorrow. BTW, I've had some weird jobs, can't say I have every done fast food or delivering pizza's...but, it could tie-in nicely, when I do "break free" eh?

    3.) Keep the Van, Tools, Boat, etc... and just get a full-time job and be miserable... which nearly always causes me to lose focus, and abandon my IM mission... hence, I keep dropping off the IM pursuit, coming back here more broken, and even less confident, ladi-di-ladi-da.


    The wife (has no job, and has a torn ACL so she's all but useless), my kids (all grown and on their own), as well as everyone I currently know... is a robot, they work all week, get paid, get broke, repeat!

    The people I have worked for locally (mostly construction related -trade skill stuff) are making money, but they are slave-driving business owners who often lack vision for true growth, and "flat out" refuse to pay based on production and results, as opposed to kenneling everyone in a $10 -$15 per hour one-size fits all "sheep" mindset.

    Neither understands what having made 6-figures in the past (offline - I subcontracted pool work for nearly 20 years) did to me physically and mentally... as such, it kills me to pretend, I can be happy with $10 - $15 - or even $20 per hour... it just seems unethical for me to accept such limitations, I am not spoiled, highly skilled, and yet cursed by my past success (and failure).

    I do have an online game plan, a vision, which I have reduced down to a very specific simple process, and will need to generate $1500 - $2000 per month within 60 days to sustain it, and my basic living costs.

    Normally, this time a year kicks off the fishing season, and although the species of fish I cast net are rare, and only serve a lucrative and legal (cash) market, a good day fishing is upwards of $500-$600...while it is seasonal, expensive to run, and unpredictable financially, it requires the van and boat to pursue that hunt!

    So... If I "let go" of all that no longer stimulates me financially, I'll have 30-60 days...to make it all come together, and I'll prob do something "easy brain dead" for now...like deliver pies on the side, as a contingency plan, just in case I fail...lol.

    What path would you explore?

    Sorry, tried to keep it short, but I wanted honest feedback, and figured the more you know, the better... the responses will be.

    Thanks,

    Art

    PS - I have considered offering basic services such as writing, setting newbies up with a domain, hosting, wordpress site, maybe some starter articles and affiliate products for $100 -$300 per job, or writing services, etc...

    But... I DO NOT want to tarnish my "bigger vision" or lose the respect of my peers, and those who I aim to emulate online, if that makes sense.

    Lastly, I am staring at a big ass mountain, and I feel to know the path... I am not desperate - for money comes, money goes... it has a place, but is not my primary business model, solving problems has been my life, doing it online is where I desire to be doing it, respectively... so fire away! - be brutal, I won't cry!
    Hate to be "that guy" but I'm going to say it anyway.

    Do what makes you happy.
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by williamwhitton View Post

      Hate to be "that guy" but I'm going to say it anyway.

      Do what makes you happy.
      Granted I know exactly what you mean...

      For shits and giggles, let just say my life's chief aim was to be a philanthropist, don't suppose many would line up to buy what I am selling, if I first don't come to 'recognize and accept' that I; like millions (*if not billions of people) tend to spend our time doing the 'exacting opposite' of doing what makes us happy- a bit ironic, don't ya think?

      I certainly don't seek sympathy, as I chose my path, as will others.

      The hard part is waking up, and realizing, time lost cannot be regained, and I damn sure haven't been feeding my brain with all this IM related marketing strategies to see it go to waste scrubbing fryers at BK.

      Sure, I could 'give in' (as I have in the past) and even still, I cannot imagine; The How or the Why? - I would want to bear the name tag, work for nothing, eat shit, and "Have it my way" - no offense to BK or anyone who works there, just a metaphor I use frequently.

      Point being, in order to do what makes me happy...will require 7-10 figures!

      The biggest part being, it's not greed that drives me, it's philanthropy... to be able to give freely, as opposed to living in fear; living on minimum wages, eating the dog food... and blindly accepting that I actually liked it, for it gave me a reason & a purpose to rise above and overcome it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Art

    This bloody Idea of yours to burn a ship and take the Island is not working as the dam ship is now on page 4!!!! so what ever you are using there has been no flaming...need better Kindle

    Jason
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

      Art

      This bloody Idea of yours to burn a ship and take the Island is not working as the dam ship is now on page 4!!!! so what ever you are using there has been no flaming...need better Kindle

      Jason
      Thanks Man, I needed a good laugh.

      I'll connect with you soon, as I am working on something now that 'keeps growing' as I am building it, and is requiring less being here, and more focus to put it all together. When time permits, I'll fire up my Skype account, and hit you up in a pm.

      Thanks,

      Art
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  • Profile picture of the author xcgjgj
    You've already failed twice with your own businesses. What makes you think you are suddenly going to "make it come together" in 60 days online??
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by xcgjgj View Post

      You've already failed twice with your own businesses. What makes you think you are suddenly going to "make it come together" in 60 days online??
      Note sure why, but I cannot see the image you posted... just a yellow strip reading; "this post contains one image" ???

      More in alignment with your question, I have failed at tens of 1000's of things in my life from being a better father, being the perfect husband, becoming a better writer, being an alcoholic and drug addict (years ago), and you name it; I've probably found a way to tear it down... in order to learn "how to rebuild it!"

      However, I've never stopped the relentless pursuit towards personal development and financial abundance, regardless if "the light bulb exploded" or "stayed lit for awhile to light my way".

      Truth is; I never meant to imply; "I'd hit my goals in 60 days" - as opposed to "break free" from the "old routines" and "old habits" of running back to that which is safe, secure, and familiar to me... like construction or taking a job.

      I am at a point in my life, where I know; it's do or die time. I value what time I have remaining. I value other people's time, and understand the challenges that I, and millions of others face... in breaking their routines, for if you look closely... most the people here cling to money like Linus clings-on to his blue blanket in The Peanuts cartoon... unable to let go of what security they already possess.

      In my mind, nothing I possess is more valuable than setting an example for others, and I believe; that roots deep in every entrepreneurial minded person I've ever met, studied, or aspire to become... which is a never ending, unrelenting, curse from which I suffer... for I do not want what they have - rather to understand "How they think, function, operate, process, and create a system that works... almost flawlessly!"

      I often mock the teacher from Charlie Brown; "Want, want, want... want, want, want... want, want, want...WAH!"

      I hear what people want... I see it. I know, and yet struggle to accept in order to give them what they want, it'll require me to "step outside" the introvert I've become, and put my ass out there... and stand accountable (to a degree) for their overall experience in exploring my philosophy, my view, my way of coping and dealing with all the ignorance that intrudes upon our lives.

      I'm in the process now... of releasing something ( a test product - free report) that has the potential to blow people's f..cking minds... and yet, I am struggling to accept if it will "ever be good enough?"

      You see, I am not blind... I'm a visionary, an artist, and a creator, who respects that long term success requires values much greater than money - in order to sustain a life of privilege and abundance.

      While I deprived myself for years of such abundance... it was an intense study conducted over 12 years of painstaking compromise, so that when I do unleash this beast upon the world (my philosophy and overall findings) and add to it a a time tested proven-blueprint... not only will I be FREE... it'll be by setting others FREE that forges the path of success.

      Maybe I am preparing for the haters. Maybe it's preparation for the money that will follow. Maybe it's just a foolish dream, and I'll bury my head in the sand, hide my gift (as I've been doing" and die a selfish lonely death... never leaving anything behind for the next?)

      Maybe... I failed on purpose... seeking to truly understand; what the f..k makes 98% of people so timid, scared, beat-down and broken... so, I could conjure up a solution to a HUGE f'ing problem people face daily!

      Maybe I hate the existing system. Maybe I am fed up with all the ignorant BS that festers, lingers, and spoils the joy and beauty this world offers, and litters the path!

      Maybe I understand "How our perceptions shift from light to dark, from dream to nightmare, and from good to evil".

      Maybe... I am already there, and the vision in my mind is TRUE for I've yet to be able to break it down, although I am trying to find it's weakness, something FALSE, and have yet to succeed!

      Maybe, I awakened a sleeping giant... and can't find a weapon big enough to beat that f..cker back into submission, so I can continue on in my self-created misery!

      I'll tell you why I said that I only needed 60 days... because "IF" I strap on my balls, anyone who gets on-board and stands beside me (not in front, not in back, above or below) - but, anyone who chooses to accept my invitation when I do release what's inside of me... had better strap on their big boy (or big girl) panties, and prepare for one hell of a ride... cause I am not your typical failure!

      The hard part... is being the "real me" and should I take that approach, a good portion of my audience will run like the dickens... because I will spit fire, curse, and deliver a brutal truth... I'm, not so sure most people will want to hear, or be able to recognize, accept, and truly appreciate the solution, as most refuse to accept the problem!!!

      Maybe, I'm not seeking flattery or playing such a weak hand that I'll use flattery to sell fat asses a weight loss solution!

      Guess the only way to know... is push send! - Now, if only I could get out of my own way....

      Peace!

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  • Profile picture of the author flipperhacks
    Well,

    From someone who took option 1 three years ago except I had a good 50k in the bank, I can tell you that it takes time to get something going.

    Chances are, with only 2 months to get things working, most likely - it won't happen.

    In your situation, I would take option 2. Cracking the online world is a slow and consistent process.

    You try, you fail, you learn, you try again. You need the freedom and time to repeat this 100s of times till you see success.

    Don't worry, you have your whole life to crack the code, don't go all or nothing, the safer bet is to focus long term and on consistency. Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by flipperhacks View Post

      Well,

      From someone who took option 1 three years ago except I had a good 50k in the bank, I can tell you that it takes time to get something going.

      Chances are, with only 2 months to get things working, most likely - it won't happen.

      In your situation, I would take option 2. Cracking the online world is a slow and consistent process.

      You try, you fail, you learn, you try again. You need the freedom and time to repeat this 100s of times till you see success.

      Don't worry, you have your whole life to crack the code, don't go all or nothing, the safer bet is to focus long term and on consistency. Good luck!
      Thanks flipper!

      Any who, I got off on a little rant as I understand motorkitty's pains and sufferings... I empathize for the working class, and get aggravated when people just assume that I am suggesting I'll make 7-10 figures - as I made one reference to What philanthropy means to me.. and the long-tern vision I've always had.

      There too, when I run out of "material possessions" to sell... (aside maybe the car and my ass) - I will put on my happy Pinocchio suit... and return to dance on a string if need be... maybe the punishment I've already endured isn't enough, because I haven't blown my back out yet... or let my false sense of security rest in living in a rented home...

      So... in that 'light' - I never said anything pertaining to NOT working... that's been said by everyone else... who relies on that blue blanket.

      If I have to, and I AM fighting it right now... I could provide enough services online, probably from the Warrior for Hire thread alone, and equal what the average paycheck offers...and still be on a laptop...living the dream.

      Lastly, it pains me... the only way I see breaking into any market is not as an employee - it's somewhere near the middle where I left off, for I've already held those rungs... but, to write a book, build a responsive following, and nurture, grow, and cultivate a mind share beneficial to others and myself, definitely takes precedence over the 2 aforementioned choices.

      ...And yes, I do believe, I will get my ass kicked most of the time as Frank Kern mentioned in his video... but those "oil wells" exist, and I aim to tap into them!

      All the Best,

      Art
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    There is truly no offense intended Art, really - so take this as constructive criticism...

    I see you posting long, drawn-out posts on this forum nearly every day. Judging from the length and number of posts, you are easily spending a couple hours a day (a minimum, at least, of several hours per week) on this forum instead of building your business. The work you mentioned above, when worked on full-time, should take no more than maybe 3-4 days (tops). Hell, if you spend 10-12 hours per day on it, you'd be in for maybe a day or two.

    Why did it take you 15 days to complete those tasks?

    I said earlier in this thread that most people fail at this - primarily due to lack of focus. You are exhibiting the same lack of focus. Instead of spending hours on this forum every day, you should be working if you expect to succeed.
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      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      There is truly no offense intended Art, really - so take this as constructive criticism...

      I see you posting long, drawn-out posts on this forum nearly every day. Judging from the length and number of posts, you are easily spending a couple hours a day (a minimum, at least, of several hours per week) on this forum instead of building your business. The work you mentioned above, when worked on full-time, should take no more than maybe 3-4 days (tops). Hell, if you spend 10-12 hours per day on it, you'd be in for maybe a day or two.

      Why did it take you 15 days to complete those tasks?

      I said earlier in this thread that most people fail at this - primarily due to lack of focus. You are exhibiting the same lack of focus. Instead of spending hours on this forum every day, you should be working if you expect to succeed.
      Until yesterday, I really haven't spent more than an hour or so here, and only do so when taking breaks from the work I am doing.

      You're right, I should be able to put a site up with all the basics in a few days, maybe a week. Taking into consideration what you've said as it does hit hard, you have to remember, I've never completed this much in 15 days prior, as it includes researching a ton of content, writing a lot more than I do here, and I'll be the first to tell you "tech stuff" is not my strength, so getting the look and feel that I want... not only is still lacking, it takes me a long time to compile the site, color schemes, typography, etc...

      I understand, when you've built 100 landing pages, created 100 products, managed 100 lists, and have your "process" fine-tuned... yeah, 1-2 days to do what I've done is possible.

      Meanwhile, sometimes the tortoise wins the race... I really am not "trying to rush" on the basis I need money. It's actually, effecting my work (naturally) due to the underlying stress of that fact, but, I what's in my mind is not a get rich quick scheme, or just a 'turn-key' - here it is, slap some affiliates links on it, and drive a bunch of traffic. It's more of a "How can I grow this for years... type of mindset I am in... and money cannot force that process...

      I appreciate it, and you're right... I should be able to create a site with some basic offering in 2-5 days... in time, with practice, I will.

      Thanks!

      Art

      (15mins and 4 sips of coffee gone... not going to be here much today!)
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