Will You Sell/promote Almost Anything If It Makes You Money?

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We all like money but where do you draw the line? Does it have to be
illegal or immoral for you not to promote it or do you have higher
standards?

That's what I've been wrestling with the CPA industry.

I've been a full time marketer for almost 10 years mainly selling my own
products and services. However my business has slipped over the last
year or so I've been looking other markets and trends to get into.

Several times I've seriously looked into getting in on the CPA/CPA market
that is bringing in huge incomes if you know how to do it right. But each
time, I back off as I look at the hundreds of spam emails I receive every
day promoting the same crappy CPA/CPS offers. Many with forced
continuity programs that the average consumer doesn't fully understand
until they get their bill.

I'm not some pie in the sky idealist either. I'm a hard core marketer who
has no problem promoting a product/service I believe in to the fullest.

But I've decided not to cross this line.

I know you can make big money with CPA and yes I know affiliate
marketing is a legitimate form of marketing. I use affiliate marketing and
continuity programs myself so I know if done right they work and won't
cause complaints.

But the whole CPA/CPL industry reminds of me of the junk phone call
industry. You could make a lot of money but everyone hated them, and
finally their were severe crackdowns. Even if you do it CPA right, there are
so many people doing it wrong with flogs, false claims, spam, tons of PPC
ads for the same things, etc. you look bad and you will probably be
effected by any coming crackdowns by the FTC.

I know my decision not to get involved is hurting me financiallly in the
short run but long term I would rather build my business based on really
providing and promoting quality products and services, not crap.

Where do you draw the line?

Bizman
#makes #money #sell or promote
  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    I try them out. If they rub me the wrong way I won't promote them. That means hidden continuity or an attempt to hide it well, very hard to cancel, or deceptive anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      I try them out. If they rub me the wrong way I won't promote them. That means hidden continuity or an attempt to hide it well, very hard to cancel, or deceptive anything.
      You put in 34 words what took me many more.
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      • I say market with Integrity and everyone wins! If you want a long term viable business and want to be able to sleep at night, only promote what you feel is ethical.
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      • Profile picture of the author IdeaLady
        Money comes and goes, but your reputation is forever.

        The question I always ask myself is, "Am I willing to attach my name to this?"

        I started out many years ago (pre-Interwebs) selling information products face-to-face at speeches and seminars. I said then that I wouldn't sell something if I couldn't look people in the eye when I took their money. It's a good rule, even if most or all of your transactions are virtual.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      I try them out. If they rub me the wrong way I won't promote them. That means hidden continuity or an attempt to hide it well, very hard to cancel, or deceptive anything.
      Tweeter It! @sames1 Unethical Promotion? If they rub me the wrong way Hidden continuity or attempt to hide, hard to cancel, or deceptive I won't promote

      Yes I did ....

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post


        Yes I did ....

        James
        so did I cool tweet..
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

          so did I cool tweet..
          Well bummer that you have to reword scott's original post but hey means the same thing ...lol

          I did give credit where credit was due...

          James
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          • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
            Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

            Well bummer that you have to reword scott's original post but hey means the same thing ...lol
            James
            I was limited to 140 chars... had to clip it by 19!! :confused:

            So it turned into some teenager text tweet..lol

            Peace

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  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
    Don't worry about how other people run their business (with flogs and deceptive practices and such); worry about how you run your own. It can be difficult if you're in a niche where many competitors use poor practices, but it is not insurmountable.

    As for what to promote, use your own best judgment. I wouldn't promote anything that uses deceptive practices itself. Whether I would promote a product with forced continuity would depend upon how the site informs being they are signing up for a forced continuity program. If I think that it's clear to a reasonable person (and by "reasonable" I mean "me") that they are signing up for a recurring charge, then I would consider promoting it. But, if the continuity is hidden away and not clear, even if it may meet legal requirements for disclosure, I would steer clear of it.

    As a couple lawsuits (mentioned in a couple threads around here) show, affiliates can be sued for the stuff they promote if they are knowingly promoting something deceptive or using deceptive means to promote it.

    Even without that, though, if something doesn't feel right to me, even if completely legal, I would probably steer clear of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    It takes years to build a reputation.. and one crappy product promotion can ruin that hard work..

    Scott Ames summed it up perfectly above.

    If it's wrong to promote a product, for legal or ethical reasons.. then only you can decide if you want to promote it.. personally.. I draw the line well behind this.

    I have to really appreciate a product to promote.

    If all this is equal, then all we have to do is find a hungry niche and give them what they are looking for. You don't have to lie to make money... there is enough money to be made ethically.

    Just my opinion...

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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    Nope. For one, I don't like deceptiveness. For two, years and years ago I made a very successful foray into the adult internet business but I never felt good about it, so I sold off my share to my partner.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizman09
    It's good to see everyone with integrity who replied.

    I thought I would see a lot trying to justify how great CPA type offers
    were and how they had no trouble promoting them :-)

    Biz
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    I don't promote anything:

    - illegal
    - unethical
    - inaccurate
    - immoral
    - offensive
    - counterproductive

    I don't worry overly about it when I start promoting something, but once I know I shouldn't promote it, the money doesn't enter into my decision. I don't beat myself up for promoting something I shouldn't have been promoting if I didn't know about the problem with it, but once I do know, I dump it. I don't care what it's making me.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    I would only sell what I beleive in, thus why I only sell my own products / services... I don't care what something pays, I will not hype any products up, I will not lie to others, or anything else...

    Rare occassions I may do a jv swap or something or may have an oto of a resell product but this is very rare and even then I will only do it with something I beleive in...

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      I have had a lot of success promoting products that help people, and I feel pretty good about that. I don't just mean with terrible physical problems, but with help for their garden or jsut in finding a great anniversary gift for their parents 25th. But even if the outcome is good of a product I am looking at, I pass it by if I think I will feel slimy promoting it. Too many other things in the world to make money with that don't leave me feeling queasy.
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      • Profile picture of the author kenboss
        Some people don't have ethics on or offline, so this thread will be lost on them.

        But for those who do, I don't think there is any excuse for promoting anything you don't feel right about. It not only hurts those who are at the receiving end of dubious practices - it hurts the entire industry. But it's worth remembering that a little more vigilance may sometimes required to hold on to your halo. It's a fact that even with intrinsically honest folk, ethics can sometimes fall by the wayside due to the anonymity of the internet. You can't see the people who are affected - especially with CPA stuff. It's all very impersonal.

        An analogy can be drawn, with the way people behave in cars. On the road you see others as metal machines, you can't see people, you can't look into their eyes, and this drastically alters the way people treat each other. People who are normally suddenly become at the drop of a hat, over incredibly minor things.

        On the internet it is a similar situation - even on this forum. People say nasty things to each other here that they likely would never say in person.

        Talking about a tiny minority of course!

        So business ethics too are vulnerable to this anonymity. That's one of the reasons it took people so long at first to trust the idea of purchasing online. It's taken a lot of honest trading, as well as self governing on the part of internet marketers to build that trust. So those who abuse it, even with the common justification of "oh well, if I don't promote this, someone else will" are really killing the goose.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
    Reminds me of one of my favorite business quotes.

    "I can be bought. If they paid me enough, I'd work for the Klan." Charles Barkley

    Of course with the money he's made they wouldn't be able to pay him enough.

    I do a lot of reading and after 22 years with diabetes am pretty familiar with it. I put up a small site to join I don't know yet how many million others. Checked through CB for products and just the sales pages gave away enough junk science and real sleaze clues that I thought "omigod, I'm getting out of here." Will promote a couple that did seem basically ok.
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