Attention WSO and JVZoo Product Creators

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I have a question for WSO and JVZoo product creators. How do you protect yourself from fraudalent affliates or customers who uses stolen credit card info to buy your products?

As you probably know, PayPal does not provide seller protection to anyone who sells digital goods. So you might get stuck with a charge back if the rightful credit card holder request the return of their funds.

If you sell WSO and JVZoo products, how do you protect yourself?
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  • Profile picture of the author DeadRooster
    I'm in the process right now of creating an affiliate form that must be filled-out to become an affiliate.

    I need to make sure they're a real person with a verifiable background. If there's no trace of them online (like a facebook or WF account) they don't get to be an affiliate.

    Once they fill out my form, I will have something to go on to determine their payment status. After they've proven to be authentic and trustworthy, I'll put them on instant payments.

    I'm seriously not messing around with all the jackwagons out there trying to run a scam.

    People who ignore my affiliate requirements and just type "Put me on instant payments" are INSTANTLY denied.
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    • Profile picture of the author TrafficFlow
      there may be a way to disable the ability of the customer to pay via credit card rather than PayPal.

      I once had an SCO site where A guy was getting free SEO from me and using stolen credit cards to pay for the SEO which results in a lots of chargebacks
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      • Profile picture of the author pookiepal
        Originally Posted by TrafficFlow View Post

        there may be a way to disable the ability of the customer to pay via credit card rather than PayPal.

        I once had an SCO site where A guy was getting free SEO from me and using stolen credit cards to pay for the SEO which results in a lots of chargebacks
        Interesting, but either way, the JVZoo transaction is still done through credit card or banks.
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    • Profile picture of the author pookiepal
      I would never use Instant payments regardless of who the affiliate is. People can still run off with your money.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
        Instant Commissions is not the problem.

        It's the implementation of the instant commission system (i.e. JVZoo) with insufficient penalties for the offenders.

        Originally Posted by pookiepal View Post

        I would never use Instant payments regardless of who the affiliate is. People can still run off with your money.
        I have been paying instant commissions for almost 9 years (i.e. years before the advent of adaptive payments) with very few chargeback issues.
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        • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
          Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

          Instant Commissions is not the problem.

          It's the implementation of the instant commission system (i.e. JVZoo) with insufficient penalties for the offenders.

          I have been paying instant commissions for almost 9 years (i.e. years before the advent of adaptive payments) with very few chargeback issues.
          I'm still perplexed as to why all these platforms use chained payments instead of parallel payments... Parallel payments make it transparent to the buyer.... exactly how much each "entity" is being paid... which is good for transparency alone... and will slow down the scammers.....

          But, it may lower conversion rates... by confusing some people by displaying the breakdown.

          If nothing else, it would be a good option for sellers to allow them to choose between chained and parallel payments. I don't know of a platform that does.
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          • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
            You've actually answered your own question, Rich.

            Originally Posted by RichBeck View Post

            But, it may lower conversion rates... by confusing some people by displaying the breakdown.
            All of these platforms are services, and if their platform were implemented using parallel payments (thereby disclosing all parties to the transaction) the service would have problems attracting both affiliates and vendors.

            For instance, a sale via JVZoo might look something like this (on Paypal's payment page):

            Anyone who understands chained payments wouldn't be confused by seeing something like that at checkout, but it would almost certainly raise doubts in the minds of the typical buyer(s).

            A service (IMHO) that caused that level of detail to be shown, would not be readily received by internet marketers.
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            • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
              Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

              You've actually answered your own question, Rich.

              All of these platforms are services, and if their platform were implemented using parallel payments (thereby disclosing all parties to the transaction) the service would have problems attracting both affiliates and vendors.

              For instance, a sale via JVZoo might look something like this (on Paypal's payment page):

              Anyone who understands chained payments wouldn't be confused by seeing something like that at checkout, but it would almost certainly raise doubts in the minds of the typical buyer(s).

              A service (IMHO) that caused that level of detail to be shown, would not be readily received by internet marketers.
              I wasn't really asking a question... It was just "food for thought." :-)

              Parallel payments have positives for IMers.... You are only on the hook for what was paid to you. If the Affiliate bails, that is on them.

              Chained payments have their negatives...You're on the hook for the entire amount... If the Affiliate bails, you're left with 100% of the refund or chargeback.....

              The question is....... Will you lose more money because your customers cannot add or will you lose more money because of shady affiliates? That is is interesting test that will probably vary by offer. The lower priced offer may do better with chained payments. The higher priced offer may do better with parallel payments.

              My friend, the only way to really know is to test it out... Since we're pretty much stuck with chained payments for now, we won't get to test these theories out in the near future.
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              • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
                I understand Rich, and I think you're right with regard to how the results might be somewhat different at various price points.

                Originally Posted by RichBeck View Post

                That is is interesting test that will probably vary by offer. The lower priced offer may do better with chained payments. The higher priced offer may do better with parallel payments.
                IMHO you would not be testing which would do better, but rather which would do worse.

                I think it is a foregone conclusion that parallel payments would harm conversions to varying degrees, regardless of price point. I think that the owners of JVZoo, Warrior Plus, Warrior Payments, etc. came to the same conclusion - without testing one method against the other.

                I also think that the requirement for multiple refund requests (one for each payee) when parallel payments are used, creates a negative customer experience that would ultimately damage the vendor's reputation.

                Originally Posted by RichBeck View Post

                My friend, the only way to really know is to test it out... Since we're pretty much stuck with chained payments for now, we won't get to test these theories out in the near future.
                Given the above, isn't testing an overkill?
                Is testing really necessary?

                A good, thorough understanding and adequate analysis of a process can often eliminate the need for testing.
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                • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
                  Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

                  Given the above, isn't testing an overkill?
                  Is testing really necessary?

                  A good, thorough understanding and adequate analysis of a process can often eliminate the need for testing.
                  Yes, testing is necessary to see how things actually work in practice..... In theory, what you are saying holds water.... If you have all "sunny days and rainbows." :-)

                  A lot of it comes down to how much risk you can afford or want to take....

                  It is impossible to have a "thorough understanding and adequate analysis." You are looking at a sample.... I'm accounting for the entire population of all possibilities of affiliates, sellers, products, price points and financial situations.

                  You believe it is "one size fits all." I don't.... We can agree to disagree.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
                    Hey Rich,

                    Originally Posted by RichBeck View Post

                    It is impossible to have a "thorough understanding and adequate analysis." You are looking at a sample.... I'm accounting for the entire population of all possibilities of affiliates, sellers, products, price points and financial situations.
                    Perhaps you simply don't carry analysis far enough.

                    There are many "solutions" that are never developed, simply because thorough analysis will eliminate the feasibility of a given solution, and from your "byline" I would expect you to understand that.

                    Of course, if you truly disagree, feel free to develop such a solution and compete with those that (maybe prematurely?) discounted parallel payments.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ralph83
      Originally Posted by DeadRooster View Post

      Once they fill out my form, I will have something to go on to determine their payment status. After they've proven to be authentic and trustworthy, I'll put them on instant payments.
      I think having some solid analytics in place is also useful... knowing where the affiliate sales are coming from can tell you a lot.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Jackman
      thank for your explainations, this was my question for a long time
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  • Profile picture of the author jdudley
    If you can't google them, if they're not connected to anyone you know, if they have little to no sales, low sales with high refund rates and if they're brand new to jvzoo or warriorplus,...................DENY!! Oh, and hold a strong bias against anyone from vietnam.
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    • Profile picture of the author maxdosh
      Originally Posted by jdudley View Post

      If you can't google them, if they're not connected to anyone you know, if they have little to no sales, low sales with high refund rates and if they're brand new to jvzoo or warriorplus,...................DENY!! Oh, and hold a strong bias against anyone from vietnam.
      Oh shit. I have had so many Vietnamese requests but I put them on delayed. Is there a way I can go back and deny them?
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    If you sell WSO and JVZoo products, how do you protect yourself?
    Don't approve anyone for instant payments unless you know them. Even if they have made sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author pookiepal
      I don't think it's a good idea to offer instant commissions at all. Almost all product creators offer at least a 30 day refund policy. That refund policy should be cleared first before paying out the commissions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    In JVZoo, if they have 50-100 sales and been a member for a while, they get put on instant. What country they are from and their message also plays a part.

    Sometimes you'll get multiple requests really close together using different account names, but are from the same country. These are really suspicious and appear to be from some type of bot.

    For people that apply that have few sales, most don't get approved. In the past I haven't denied most of them so I can still see their numbers. Very few that didn't have sales still won't have sales months later.

    On occasion I'll approve someone with few sales and these people are put on delayed payments until they prove themselves. The scammers don't usually wait 30 days to get paid, so there isn't much motivation for them to scam.

    Few people will market for you on delayed...If you really want the good affiliates to sell your stuff, you need to pay them instantly.

    Also, you need to hang out where the affiliates do, like FB groups, Skype groups, etc, so you get to know some of the good affiliates. It takes time, but it's pretty much a necessity.
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    • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      In JVZoo, if they have 50-100 sales and been a member for a while, they get put on instant. What country they are from and their message also plays a part.

      Sometimes you'll get multiple requests really close together using different account names, but are from the same country. These are really suspicious and appear to be from some type of bot.

      For people that apply that have few sales, most don't get approved. In the past I haven't denied most of them so I can still see their numbers. Very few that didn't have sales still won't have sales months later.

      On occasion I'll approve someone with few sales and these people are put on delayed payments until they prove themselves. The scammers don't usually wait 30 days to get paid, so there isn't much motivation for them to scam.

      Few people will market for you on delayed...If you really want the good affiliates to sell your stuff, you need to pay them instantly.
      I've put most affiliates on delayed payment....

      But, I did have one guy send me an affiliate request who had 5,000 sales and a 3% return rate. I ended up following with JVZoo to verify his stats and a few other things. I then put him on instant payments.

      That is a rare exception for me.... on three networks I have six out of a couple hundred on instant payments. Five out of six you'd immediately recognize from WF or Facebook. :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by RichBeck View Post

        I've put most affiliates on delayed payment....

        But, I did have one guy send me an affiliate request who had 5,000 sales and a 3% return rate. I ended up following with JVZoo to verify his stats and a few other things. I then put him on instant payments.

        That is a rare exception for me.... on three networks I have six out of a couple hundred on instant payments. Five out of six you'd immediately recognize from WF or Facebook. :-)
        I simply don't approve many people if they can't be trusted with instant payments. I have a handful of people I've approved for delayed payments...maybe 5 or 6 total. I've never had any issues with an affiliate that has over 100 sales, been a JVZoo member for over a year and is from a top tier country like the Canada, US, etc.

        Sure, an occasional refund request will come, but they've always had the funds in their Paypal account to refund their commissions.

        BTW, as a JVZoo affiliate I've not gotten paid far more often by sellers that put me on delayed than I've had issues with affiliates. I'm very reluctant to ever promote products from any vendor that puts me on delayed again. Due diligence also applies when considering which vendors to sell for.
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  • Profile picture of the author helenl
    During my first launch I was ultra-cautious and only gave instant payments to those people I knew well. Then I got a few emails from big affiliates (who had sold thousands of products at JVZoo) saying they don't promote your product unless they get instant commission. So I took the risk and put the big and well-known affiliates (well-known on JVZoo, but as a newbie they weren't well known to me) on instant and they started promoting my product.

    The people I approved and put on delayed were the ones who had sold a few hundred copies or more and were from USA or Europe. If I had my doubts about anyone I Googled them to see if they had a blog, Facebook profile or profile on the Warrior Forum etc, then emailed them to ask how they were planning to promote my product. I don't think I received a single reply from any of those emails, so I didn't approve them.

    I wouldn't automatically deny anyone with no sales because everyone has to start somewhere. But I would check them out before approving them.
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  • Profile picture of the author pookiepal
    Are there any countries we should seem as suspect?
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  • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
    Glad I found this thread ,

    As I been a victim....( last month I finally start selling product in Jvzoo ) in fact I know Jvzoo for quite sometimes but more into affiliates promoting other people products instead selling my own products )

    last month one of my affiliate sold 50++ sales for me

    within two day my sales is 2k++ from this affiliate.

    and Yes I do watch Jvzoo video ..which tell and warn , be careful of affiliates , try not to put instant payment if you don't know the affiliate well..

    But I just put instant ..and this guy also claim want instant commission..so I give .

    than slowly a lot charge back...

    I PM him and tell him why his affiliates all refund ? whereas why other affiliates their customers never ask refund.

    He told me " perhaps these people suckers ..want to get the products " than after getting ask for refund.

    well I do agreed with him..." some IM are like this "

    than one time I change instant payment to delay
    I noticed he never promote much...
    so I PM him again and ask...

    no reply...


    last reply is he ...PM me why i still haven't give him commission ,

    I told him , I have to wait to check if there is any charge back....etc

    than he give me a pity story , mention what need this money urgent want to treat his parents etc

    I see him so good to his parents so I give instant refund ..again

    but slowly I came to know this affiliate just a sucker trying to get benefits from vendors..



    so Now I put all delay commission ...

    seriously I don't mind put instant commission ...
    I treasure my affiliates a lot......

    just that some black sheep trying to rob vendor ....

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    • Profile picture of the author pookiepal
      So did you lose any money?

      This is the problem with working with fraudulent Affiliates and their customers. On JVZoo, you have up to 90 days to pay their commissions. Even if you wait the full 90 days thinking the coast is clear, you can still be liable for charge backs on the 120th or 160th day.

      That 90 day option (Delay Commissions) from JVZoo seems useful for clearing the 30 or 60 day refund policy that you provide to your customers, but it does not guaranteed full protection from charge backs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    The only way to be 100% safe is not to make sales at all. And the only way to be 100% safe with affiliates is not to have any affiliates.

    Be careful that you don't loose 100 sales because you're afraid of having to refund a single sale. Risk is only part of the equation. As with everything else in life, IM is a matter of doing a good job of analyzing risk vs. gain. While there is risk with affiliates, there's also a lot of potential gain.

    Let's not forget, risk isn't only on the product owners. Affiliates also risk refunds due to poor quality products and/or service. They also risk not getting paid when on delayed commissions.
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    • Profile picture of the author BrownBeard
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      The only way to be 100% safe is not to make sales at all. And the only way to be 100% safe with affiliates is not to have any affiliates.

      Be careful that you don't loose 100 sales because you're afraid of having to refund a single sale. Risk is only part of the equation. As with everything else in life, IM is a matter of doing a good job of analyzing risk vs. gain. While there is risk with affiliates, there's also a lot of potential gain.

      Let's not forget, risk isn't only on the product owners. Affiliates also risk refunds due to poor quality products and/or service. They also risk not getting paid when on delayed commissions.
      Excellent advice, no sale be completely safe.
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    • Profile picture of the author pookiepal
      I'm sure we all know that. The Refund is not the problem. It's the fraudulent affiliate and their customers that are the problem. There seems to be nothing set in place to protect you.

      Let's picture this, you approved of an Affiliate that also sent you scammers who uses stolen credit cards to buy your products. After you clear your 30 or whatever refund days, you then pay the Affiliate a large commission due to all the sales made through him.

      3-6 months later, you're starting to get claims for charge backs because a bunch of those sales were from frauds who used stolen credit cards. Guess what? You already paid a large chunk of your earnings to the scamming Affiliate already. Now you are in bind, because you no longer have all the money that you made to repay all the charge backs because you already paid the Affiliate. You honestly think you're gonna get the money back from that Affiliate? He's probably not even obligated to pay back because it's not him that made the purchases. And even if he is, he's probably long gone to Tahiti with no way to contact him.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by pookiepal View Post

        I'm sure we all know that. The Refund is not the problem. It's the fraudulent affiliate and their customers that are the problem. There seems to be nothing set in place to protect you.

        Let's picture this, you approved of an Affiliate that also sent you scammers who uses stolen credit cards to buy your products. After you clear your 30 or whatever refund days, you then pay the Affiliate a large commission due to all the sales made through him.

        3-6 months later, you're starting to get claims for charge backs because a bunch of those sales were from frauds who used stolen credit cards. Guess what? You already paid a large chunk of your earnings to the scamming Affiliate already. Now you are in bind, because you no longer have all the money that you made to repay all the charge backs because you already paid the Affiliate. You honestly think you're gonna get the money back from that Affiliate? He's probably not even obligated to pay back because it's not him that made the purchases. And even if he is, he's probably long gone to Tahiti with no way to contact him.
        Then don't accept any affiliates, especially if you want to dwell on the worst possible situation that's very unlikely to actually happen.


        You're mistaking possibility with probability. It's also possible that an affiliate will make you $1 million, but won't because you didn't approve him/her. Again possible, but not probable.
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      • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
        Originally Posted by pookiepal View Post

        I'm sure we all know that. The Refund is not the problem. It's the fraudulent affiliate and their customers that are the problem. There seems to be nothing set in place to protect you.

        Let's picture this, you approved of an Affiliate that also sent you scammers who uses stolen credit cards to buy your products. After you clear your 30 or whatever refund days, you then pay the Affiliate a large commission due to all the sales made through him.

        3-6 months later, you're starting to get claims for charge backs because a bunch of those sales were from frauds who used stolen credit cards. Guess what? You already paid a large chunk of your earnings to the scamming Affiliate already. Now you are in bind, because you no longer have all the money that you made to repay all the charge backs because you already paid the Affiliate. You honestly think you're gonna get the money back from that Affiliate? He's probably not even obligated to pay back because it's not him that made the purchases. And even if he is, he's probably long gone to Tahiti with no way to contact him.
        I know how it feel bro, this is what Happen to me...as mention I new to Jvzoo selling my product.

        My aim is simple, I value my affiliates a lot. I even set the commission higher a bit than my profit per sales so that my affiliates work hard for it as they earn slight more.

        But sadly first time encounter a bad affiliate....in the end I have to fork out own pocket money..due to lots of charge back....
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    • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      The only way to be 100% safe is not to make sales at all. And the only way to be 100% safe with affiliates is not to have any affiliates.

      Be careful that you don't loose 100 sales because you're afraid of having to refund a single sale. Risk is only part of the equation. As with everything else in life, IM is a matter of doing a good job of analyzing risk vs. gain. While there is risk with affiliates, there's also a lot of potential gain.

      Let's not forget, risk isn't only on the product owners. Affiliates also risk refunds due to poor quality products and/or service. They also risk not getting paid when on delayed commissions.
      talking about refunds
      As mention i new in selling products in Jvzoo.

      during that time suddenly a lot charged back , buyers claim unauthorised payment..

      I check Jvzoo how to do refund.

      they mention IMPORTANT don't do refund from pay pal.

      Do inside Jvzoo ..

      I never as I busy with other stuffs just let pay pal do.....

      and yes I noticed my money getting lesser inside my pay pal..due to charge back.

      So my affiliates also been charge back? I doubt so right....as i pay him instant....

      that why some claim ..." some black sheep affiliates are milking from vendor "
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  • Profile picture of the author pamogatrw
    i want to start a jvzoo but i just don't know where to start
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    • Profile picture of the author BrownBeard
      Originally Posted by pamogatrw View Post

      i want to start a jvzoo but i just don't know where to start
      as an affiliate or a product creator?
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    • Profile picture of the author TheGMa
      Originally Posted by pamogatrw View Post

      i want to start a jvzoo but i just don't know where to start
      Go to JVZoo and read. They explain EVERYTHING.

      Look, I"m not upset with you in particular, but I honestly do not understand why people find it so hard to simply go to the web site to find out about the web site.

      Now - back to the discussion, which is excellent.
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
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    JVzoo has a few mechanisms in place to help Sellers.

    The Sellers Blacklist of chronic refunders.

    Also a mandatory delayed commissions for new affiliates I believe..
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    • Profile picture of the author pookiepal
      The problem might not be the fraudulent Affiliate himself. It could be the fraudulent customers he sends your way. The affiliate still gets the commissions but you then have to pay the charge backs because of the scammers he sent to buy your products.

      There's no way to prevent that it seems, or protect yourself from that.
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    • Profile picture of the author pookiepal
      This would not be a problem if JVZoo and/or PayPal provide protection against charge backs.
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      • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
        Originally Posted by pookiepal View Post

        This would not be a problem if JVZoo and/or PayPal provide protection against charge backs.
        actually

        I hope provide protection against charge back.

        but that is impossible...

        that why no risk no gain..

        you can earn a lot from Jvzoo

        but you also can lose a lot .
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      • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
        Hey pookie,

        Originally Posted by pookiepal View Post

        This would not be a problem if JVZoo and/or PayPal provide protection against charge backs.
        Neither JVZoo nor Paypal can protect against chargebacks unless they refuse to accept credit cards as a payment method. I don't think you would want that.

        Chargebacks ONLY occur on credit card payments, and Paypal has to deal with chargebacks from the credit card companies the same as you or I.
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        • Profile picture of the author pookiepal
          Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

          Hey pookie,



          Neither JVZoo nor Paypal can protect against chargebacks unless they refuse to accept credit cards as a payment method. I don't think you would want that.

          Chargebacks ONLY occur on credit card payments, and Paypal has to deal with chargebacks from the credit card companies the same as you or I.
          Paypal does provide protection but the coverage is only for physical products.

          JVZoo gives sellers up to 90 days to pay commissions. PayPal I believe allow credit card holders up to 180 days (6 months) to make a claim for a refund.

          So that 90 days (or Delayed Commissions) is not long enough coverage for protecting you from charge backs. It's only good for clearing the 30 days refund policy before paying out the commissions.
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          • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
            Originally Posted by pookiepal View Post

            Paypal does provide protection but the coverage is only for physical products.
            No... they don't.

            They will, under certain circumstances, dispute the chargeback on your behalf, but ultimately the decision on a chargeback is at the discretion of the credit card company.
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            • Profile picture of the author pookiepal
              Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

              No... they don't.

              They will under certain circumstances dispute the chargeback on your behalf, but ultimately the decision on a chargeback is at the discretion of the credit card company.
              What do you mean, PayPal doesn't protect Sellers of physical products too?

              This is their details on Seller Protection coverage:

              https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/s...ler-protection

              It would not matter to me anyway since most, if not all, products sold through WSO and JVZoo are digital - which is not protected from charge backs.
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              • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
                Like I said... "under certain circumstances"

                Originally Posted by pookiepal View Post

                What do you mean, PayPal doesn't protect Sellers of physical products too?

                This is their details on Seller Protection coverage:

                https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/s...ler-protection

                It would not matter to me anyway since most, if not all, products sold through WSO and JVZoo are digital - which is not protected from charge backs.
                Paypal's protection is not automatic... even for physical goods. For physical products, you must be able to supply proof of delivery (i.e. a signed receipt from the buyer, a shipper's tracking ID, etc).
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  • Profile picture of the author yindon
    i wanted to start JVZOO as a seller ..are there any tutorials that i can follow ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Crimes
    Thanks everyone there's some great info on this thread.

    I've got my first product 'drafted' on JVZoo (launching in June) and this is just the sort of stuff I needed.

    I think I'll be approving instant payments for the big players (who I've met through a coaching program) but for everyone else it's going to be delayed until after the money back guarantee expires!

    I'm getting a bit immune to sad stories now, so that's not a problem, and the way I see it is that if someone is a genuine affiliate then they're going to understand why you want delayed commission payments.

    The charlatans can go and whistle in the wind....

    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Hey Jon,

      If you're going to be using JVZoo...

      Originally Posted by Jon Crimes View Post

      I've got my first product 'drafted' on JVZoo (launching in June) and this is just the sort of stuff I needed.

      I think I'll be approving instant payments for the big players (who I've met through a coaching program) but for everyone else it's going to be delayed until after the money back guarantee expires!
      This is a reasonable start. You definitely want to define some logical methodology for deciding how/when instant commissions are approved.

      I'm getting a bit immune to sad stories now, so that's not a problem, and the way I see it is that if someone is a genuine affiliate then they're going to understand why you want delayed commission payments.
      The problem is that on multiple occasions, the JVZoo merchant has failed to pay the delayed commissions when they finally came due. A level-headed vendor is going to understand why the affiliate may not be willing to promote if commissions are delayed.

      The charlatans can go and whistle in the wind...
      Unfortunately, there are charlatans on both sides of the fence. You need to know what affiliates you can trust, and affiliates need to know that they can trust the collective you.
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      • Profile picture of the author pookiepal
        That may be true for both sides, but there's far less risk as an Affiliate. The only significant cost for an affiliate is if he chooses to promote massively through PPC. Everything else (email marketing, blogging, etc.) is fairly minimal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
    Actually when I first come to know Jvzoo is been an affiliate

    I know how affiliate feel when their commission haven't come despite it stated clear by vendor is a delay payment.

    On affiliate side , there " are some black sheep "

    same apply for vendor side " some vendor also black sheep "

    don't want to pay affiliates ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ralph83
    Originally Posted by pookiepal View Post

    How do you protect yourself from fraudalent affliates or customers...
    Use a minimum payout treshold for affiliates and, when things seem fishy to you, you're free to freeze funds.
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    • Profile picture of the author pookiepal
      Originally Posted by Ralph83 View Post

      Use a minimum payout treshold for affiliates and, when things seem fishy to you, you're free to freeze funds.

      How do you do - set a minimum payout threshold?

      and I'm not sure that would make any differences because according to JVZoo, a seller must pay commissions within 90 days. But after 90 days, you're no longer protected if credit card issuers or banks want the full refunds back. By that time, you've already paid the affiliates their share of commissions. I doubt you're gonna get the commissions back.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Here's the reality on JVZoo. 2% of the affiliates that apply to sell your stuff will make 95% of the sales, if not more. These folks simply won't promote for you if you don't set them to instant payments.


    You aren't the only option. There's competition for quality affiliates and the good affiliates know if you don't pay them instantly, they'll just sell for someone else that will. It doesn't matter if this is right or wrong, it's simply how it is.


    Making products is easy. Making sales isn't.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheGMa
    I was just corresponding with my JV partner about this very thing, and here is what I suggested:

    Instead of 50/50, let's put aside the first ___ < number to be determined sales for refunds. Maybe even a 3rd, and I will also be suggesting that we open a refund/charge back interest-bearing account for our products biz.

    That way we always have a cushion, plus the money we set aside is earning interest.

    - Annie
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    For me, it's simple:

    1.) Do I personally know and trust the affiliate? Instant.

    2.) Have I see said affiliate in FB groups so I'm aware in a positive sense? Instant

    3.) Is the refund rate low and sales high? Instant

    4.) Everything else - delayed.

    Scammers generally won't promote if the product is on delayed.

    Your mileage may vary, of course.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxsi
    1.) Do I personally know and trust the affiliate? Instant.

    2.) Have I see said affiliate in FB groups so I'm aware in a positive sense? Instant

    3.) Is the refund rate low and sales high? Instant

    4.) Everything else - delayed.

    GOOD points.... 100% agree
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  • Profile picture of the author alopicatso
    when i see jvzoo, i find if i can run google adwords or facebook ads, and i try. after finish launch, i lost much money, so it is the first experience when go in jvzoo
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Jackman
      i have the same question but noone can explain exactly.
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  • Profile picture of the author ydsimple
    Don't approve anyone for instant payments unless you know them. Even if they have made sales. Agree!
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