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Anybody else upgrade their WSOs regularly until the forum moved you out of the WSO section?

by Brad Callen
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Hey all, I'm curious if I'm the only one. I have a feeling that the Warrior forum is losing a lot of revenue by doing this and they might not be aware.

For years, I had the same active WSO running. I would pay to have it bumped to page 1 every 2-3 days. Then, after the new ownership came, they changed the rules and moved me to the "Warriors For Hire" section for about about a month.

Then the next month moved me down even deeper into the "Other Website Products & Services" section where nobody ever visits. I've bumped my thread probably one time every 2 months, if that.

So instead of getting about $300 a month from me, the Warrior forum is getting about $10 a month.

Paying to bump yourself to page 1 on the "Other Website Products & Services" is also kind of a lost cause, given the low viewership.

Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else used to be paying much more to bump their offer in the WSO section, but no longer does because they're located in a section of the forum that never gets viewed.

Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Evans
    Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

    Hey all, I'm curious if I'm the only one. I have a feeling that the Warrior forum is losing a lot of revenue by doing this and they might not be aware.

    For years, I had the same active WSO running. I would pay to have it bumped to page 1 every 2-3 days. Then, after the new ownership came, they changed the rules and moved me to the "Warriors For Hire" section for about about a month.

    Then the next month moved me down even deeper into the "Other Website Products & Services" section where nobody ever visits. I've bumped my thread probably one time every 2 months, if that.

    So instead of getting about $300 a month from me, the Warrior forum is getting about $10 a month.

    Paying to bump yourself to page 1 on the "Other Website Products & Services" is also kind of a lost cause, given the low viewership.

    Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else used to be paying much more to bump their offer in the WSO section, but no longer does because they're located in a section of the forum that never gets viewed.

    Brad
    Not sure you're missing much by not being in the general WSO section. Traffic is way, way down over there.
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    • Profile picture of the author MValmont
      Originally Posted by Nick Evans View Post

      Not sure you're missing much by not being in the general WSO section. Traffic is way, way down over there.

      Is there a big difference with let's say one year ago?
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Evans
        Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

        Is there a big difference with let's say one year ago?
        Yep. Huge difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author webmarke
    I had some free wso's in warrior forum but they were moved to the classified sections because free wso's are no longer allowed int the special offer section.
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  • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
    Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

    Hey all, I'm curious if I'm the only one. I have a feeling that the Warrior forum is losing a lot of revenue by doing this and they might not be aware.

    For years, I had the same active WSO running. I would pay to have it bumped to page 1 every 2-3 days. Then, after the new ownership came, they changed the rules and moved me to the "Warriors For Hire" section for about about a month.

    Then the next month moved me down even deeper into the "Other Website Products & Services" section where nobody ever visits. I've bumped my thread probably one time every 2 months, if that.

    So instead of getting about $300 a month from me, the Warrior forum is getting about $10 a month.

    Paying to bump yourself to page 1 on the "Other Website Products & Services" is also kind of a lost cause, given the low viewership.

    Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else used to be paying much more to bump their offer in the WSO section, but no longer does because they're located in a section of the forum that never gets viewed.

    Brad
    Brad,

    I've been thrilled with the direction the new ownership has taken...

    Previously, you had everything "clumped" into WSOs.... This meant your offer frequently sank like a rock..... Open or bump your WSO at the wrong time, your WSO was on page one for a couple hours.

    Personally, I would have broken it down into different categories... making it a bit more specific....

    But..... All in all, it is much better user experience... I don't have to wade through tons of "Discover How To Make $1,000,000 a Day While You Sleep With No Effort At All" WSOs.... That, alone, is a Godsend!

    They also had countless WSOs violating US law by not meeting the legal requirements for "Biz Ops." As a matter of fact, I don't recall one meeting the FTC guidelines. These should have been "cleaned up" years ago.

    TD
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Baxter
    Yea the traffic is way down even in the wso section so not sure it would even matter. There's been less than about 10 bumps for the entire day, don't really know what's happening to the site but hopefully things get back to the way they were.
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  • Profile picture of the author trevord92
    I'm not sure how much attention Freelancer are paying to the site or whether their revenue is growing as they hoped when they bought it but my gut reaction is that Allen was right to get out when he did.

    And I'm trying to remember the last time I even looked inside the WSO section - certainly not recently.

    The fun part is finding a replacement for the traffic that WSOs used to generate - not sure if anyone's really found an answer to that which delivers truly fresh leads.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    Is there a big difference with let's say one year ago?
    Currently Active Users: 7176

    Just 16 months ago...

    Most users ever online was 202,353, 1st January 2015 at 04:00 PM.
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    • Profile picture of the author ozki
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      Just 16 months ago...

      Most users ever online was 202,353, 1st January 2015 at 04:00 PM.
      How many of those were bots/scrapers and 'monitoring' software though?

      If it was just a simple case of traffic erosion, there would be a ready alternative to WF for its market segment (marketers looking for info in a 'help desk' type setting). There isn't.

      All the other big IM forums have seen an erosion as well. WF is still top dog in its segment.

      Spamtastic Skype/FB groups don't even come close.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Previously, you had everything "clumped" into WSOs.... This meant your offer frequently sank like a rock..... Open or bump your WSO at the wrong time, your WSO was on page one for a couple hours.
    WSOs used to fall down and off the first page fast because there were 50 or more WSO's being launched every day. That made it an extremely profitable section for the owner.

    If you compared 2 yrs ago with today - you'll find a 70+% DECREASE in the number of people "viewing the WSO section". There's no way that's a good thing for sellers there and the decline in eyes-on-the-offers shows in the sales numbers.

    Personally, I don't think WSOs should be permanent offers and many now seem to be years old. Maybe we need a section for "Warrior Permanent Offers"?
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    • Profile picture of the author Matthew Iannotti
      I agree with Brad, if they were indeed moving the right direction the traffic on this website wouldn't have tanked so fast. I think they forgot how much traffic marketers drove to those WSO's. That's all but gone.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChantalVanderlaan
    Wow...this decline in numbers is really discouraging for WSO sellers....
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    • Profile picture of the author Robscom
      Originally Posted by ChantalVanderlaan View Post

      Wow...this decline in numbers is really discouraging for WSO sellers....
      I guess so if you're used to the higher numbers, but maybe it's a good start for someone if they are just starting out?

      (Just a guess. A few thousand eyeballs on an offer sounds good to me.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    You're right - it's an expensive platform where marketers can sell their products. It's also name and product exposure for new marketers.

    But it's not the cash cow it was in the past and certainly not improved in the past couple of years. But people are usually getting their ad money back and making some profit here and there.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChantalVanderlaan
    Correct me if I 'm wrong but I was under the assumption that affiliates could promote WSOs? Is it possible that the decline in numbers to the WSO forum is partly due to affiliates not promoting WSOs as much to their lists?
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    • Profile picture of the author Matthew Iannotti
      Originally Posted by ChantalVanderlaan View Post

      Correct me if I 'm wrong but I was under the assumption that affiliates could promote WSOs? Is it possible that the decline in numbers to the WSO forum is partly due to affiliates not promoting WSOs as much to their lists?
      Part of it, many marketers stopped using the WSO section all together and no longer use the WF to launch a product. In all fairness that happened before the new owners purchased. But the new ownership placing more restrictions on things only hurts themselves as well as sellers. More Restrictions = More Regulations = Hurts Businesses .. Just like the economy in many countries these days.
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      • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
        Originally Posted by Matthew Iannotti View Post

        But the new ownership placing more restrictions on things only hurts themselves as well as sellers. More Restrictions = More Regulations = Hurts Businesses .. Just like the economy in many countries these days.
        I'm curious.... Exactly what restrictions did they put on those selling legally and ethically?

        You mean requiring that Affiliates actually disclose they are Affiliates before giving a glowing review?

        You mean cracking down on all of those fake "earnings" screen shots? (Getting rid of those in clear violation of US law.)

        You mean people using "paid" reviews?

        You mean sellers using fake "testimonials?"

        I cannot see how they hurt sellers who operate ethically and legally.... I'm certainly open to hearing your thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChantalVanderlaan
    That's a real shame for marketers who are just getting their feet wet (such as myself). A lot of marketers launch WSOs on this forum to help build their reputation and build their lists. It's much harder to sell products on JVZoo or other platforms if you're not a "known seller"....this makes it virtually impossible to get affiliates to promote your products.

    Currently I'm working on about 3-4 WSOs that I was really excited about launching on the WSO forum - after reading this thread, I don't feel the same excitement anymore
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I was under the assumption that affiliates could promote WSOs? Is it possible that the decline in numbers to the WSO forum is partly due to affiliates not promoting WSOs as much to their lists?
    The "affiliate programs" began about 2008 - WarriorPlus (owned by a member of the WF) was the first. Prior to that there were no affiliate commissions or affiliate links. But there were a LOT of WSOs sold back then.

    I'm working on about 3-4 WSOs
    If it were me I'd launch ONE - promote it and see how it goes...rather than starting several at once. If people weren't selling anything - the WSO section would be empty and it's not. YOU won't know how YOUR sales will be until you give it a shot.

    One fact remains - for $20 it's some of the cheapest advertising you can find.
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  • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
    One more thing.... to the new owners' credit...

    They broke up the WSO "rings."

    Person A releases a product -> Person B, Person C, Person D and Person E give glowing reviews.

    Person B releases a product -> Person A, Person C, Person D and Person E give glowing reviews.

    Person C releases a product -> Person A, Person B, Person D and Person E give glowing reviews.

    You get the idea.....

    The massive problem was newbies who hadn't "caught on" to the con game were looking at these as honest reviews from "Trusted Warriors" not realizing this was a "group promotion" by Affiliates and friends.

    The funny thing is many of these Affiliates and friends didn't even bother to check out the product.... They just posted a general but glowing review.

    In contrast, I have no problem with giving out review copies and posting honest and detailed reviews clearly disclosing you got a review copy.
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    • Profile picture of the author igrowyourbiz
      Freelancer PTY is a big difference than Alan Says

      Anyone else around long enough and was part of the restricted Warrior Section "Marketing To The Herd"

      closed to the regular forum members, but discussed best way to move the masses to buy.

      Which I had an archive of that, I tell my students about it all the time and explain how the issues that were here were by DESIGN.

      Guess thats why we don't hear a lot from the "gurus" anymore -lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Evans
    I have two active WSOs and, for me, traffic has gone way down since about February of this year.
    My products still convert at the same rate though, so it's not a quality issue.
    In late 2015, I used to bump each WSO at least once every two days. This week, my two WSOs stayed on the front page for 4 days in a row. I've never seen that on the WF.
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    • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
      Originally Posted by Nick Evans View Post

      I have two active WSOs and, for me, traffic has gone way down since about February of this year.
      My products still convert at the same rate though, so it's not a quality issue.
      In late 2015, I used to bump each WSO at least once every two days. This week, my two WSOs stayed on the front page for 4 days in a row. I've never seen that on the WF.
      That is what I observed as well......

      You may have less people.... But, you are getting more time on page one....
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Evans
        Originally Posted by TrickyDick View Post

        That is what I observed as well......

        You may have less people.... But, you are getting more time on page one....
        The free extra time on page1 doesn't really matter, "Dick"

        I'd rather get, say, 10,000 views/day and have to bump on a daily basis than get 1,000views/day and only have to bump once every four days.
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        • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
          Originally Posted by Nick Evans View Post

          The free extra time on page1 doesn't really matter, "Dick"

          I'd rather get, say, 10,000 views/day and have to bump on a daily basis than get 1,000views/day and only have to bump once every four days.
          That is the rub......

          It is difficult if not impossible to calculate how many people viewed your WSO title (not clicked into your thread) while it was on page one....

          So.............

          If you were on page one for four days..... and viewed by 4,000....

          or....

          If you were on page one for one day... and viewed by 4,000.

          It is pretty much the same...... Some would argue the former is better than the latter.
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          • Profile picture of the author Nick Evans
            Originally Posted by TrickyDick View Post

            That is the rub......

            It is difficult if not impossible to calculate how many people viewed your WSO title (not clicked into your thread) while it was on page one....

            So.............

            If you were on page one for four days..... and viewed by 4,000....

            or....

            If you were on page one for one day... and viewed by 4,000.

            It is pretty much the same...... Some would argue the former is better than the latter.
            I use Warrior Payments, which keeps track of page views and I can assure you that views are going down fast. Same conversion rate, though, which means it's not even more targeted traffic, which could offset the much lower traffic.

            And it's not just me. Basically every "well-known" WSO seller has experienced lower traffic recently.
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            • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
              Originally Posted by Nick Evans View Post

              I use Warrior Payments, which keeps track of page views and I can assure you that views are going down fast. Same conversion rate, though, which means it's not even more targeted traffic, which could offset the much lower traffic.

              And it's not just me. Basically every "well-known" WSO seller has experienced lower traffic recently.
              Warrior Payments keeps track of how many times your WSO title is shown? That is cool to know how well your headline is working. I'm a Warrior+ guy; so, I haven't looked into Warrior Payments in a while.... The last time I looked they were missing some features I needed.

              In the end, that is one awesome thing about owning your own business....

              You learn to adapt.... and not put your eggs in one basket.... especially when it comes to traffic. Things are always bound to change.
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              • Profile picture of the author Nick Evans
                Originally Posted by TrickyDick View Post

                Warrior Payments keeps track of how many times your WSO title is shown? That is cool to know how well your headline is working. I'm a Warrior+ guy; so, I haven't looked into Warrior Payments yet.... The last time I looked they were missing some features I needed.
                They're still missing plenty of features, to be honest. But I switched to Warrior Payments after W+ stopped processing payments out of the blue for over 24 hours in February. Since I typically sell my WSOs directly without relying on affiliates, I decided to switch over to Warrior Payments. It's fine, but it's really basic in terms of features.
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                • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
                  Originally Posted by Nick Evans View Post

                  But I switched to Warrior Payments after W+ stopped processing payments out of the blue for over 24 hours in February.
                  Ouch! Sorry to hear about that, my friend.... I can understand you wanting to explore other alternatives.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    It's not all that difficult - unless you are guessing.

    Those members who sell WSOs now and have done so in past years....know very clearly whether they are getting more sales or fewer sales. The numbers don't lie. Someone must be selling or they wouldn't keep launching WSOs.
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    • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      It's not all that difficult - unless you are guessing.

      Those members who sell WSOs now and have done so in past years....know very clearly whether they are getting more sales or fewer sales. The numbers don't lie. Someone must be selling or they wouldn't keep launching WSOs.
      Very true when you are looking at sales....

      People are certainly getting "good bang for their advertising buck" with WSOs... at $20 it is hard to beat.
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