Do 'online guru/mentor courses' work?

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Would just appreciate some feedback, I'm spending more and more time online trying to make money from art. I'm trying to read as much as I can, but everything seems to lead to some sort of IM guru/mentor package - turn over x amount in 24hrs. For me personally, most of these packages seem way over hyped - guys in their holiday villa and sports car etc... But to me they just seem like the guys on holiday and he's got his wife to video him whilst he's on a stay in some sunny tropical destination. A lot of the 'proof' I see is just screenshots, which anyone with photoshop or using the google developer tools can spoof. A lot of the reviews I read too are usually from guys with a handful of posts, no senior members (if I'm looking on forums) - or someone who seems pally with the guy selling the package.

I'm interested to know from anyone who has bought in to these mentor/guru packages actually benefited from it? I don't deny that these 'guru's' are making money online, but I think it's more from the people buying into their hype.

I hope I don't ruffle anyones feathers, I was just merely curious to anyone having any first hand experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    If you want a mentor find someone who's doing what you want to do successfully and copy them. You don't need to buy someones product or coaching.

    Now if you find someone who has the success you want (and it's from outside proof not their proof) reach out and ask how much for a 1 hour call.

    I have done this in many areas. The hour costs less than you might expect and if you're prepared you should get all the action steps you need.

    Ignore the screenshots and fancy cars.

    If you want to make money selling "art" check out the licensing expo trade show in Vegas this summer. You'll learn more there in 3 days than any ebook can teach you.
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    • Profile picture of the author webmarke
      Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

      If you want a mentor find someone who's doing what you want to do successfully and copy them. You don't need to buy someones product or coaching.

      Now if you find someone who has the success you want (and it's from outside proof not their proof) reach out and ask how much for a 1 hour call.

      I have done this in many areas. The hour costs less than you might expect and if you're prepared you should get all the action steps you need.

      Ignore the screenshots and fancy cars.

      If you want to make money selling "art" check out the licensing expo trade show in Vegas this summer. You'll learn more there in 3 days than any ebook can teach you.
      This is the best advice I heard on the warrior forum in a long time. It seems every so called guru has an coaching program as an upsell on their products.

      I would not recommend you buy those programs unless you have actually use their products first. If their products don't work, buying their coaching program is a waste of time.
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    • Profile picture of the author WhiteH4wk
      Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

      If you want a mentor find someone who's doing what you want to do successfully and copy them. You don't need to buy someones product or coaching.

      Now if you find someone who has the success you want (and it's from outside proof not their proof) reach out and ask how much for a 1 hour call.

      I have done this in many areas. The hour costs less than you might expect and if you're prepared you should get all the action steps you need.

      Ignore the screenshots and fancy cars.

      If you want to make money selling "art" check out the licensing expo trade show in Vegas this summer. You'll learn more there in 3 days than any ebook can teach you.
      nice advice, that's the first time that i see such a good advice on a forum. Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author tyronne78
      I agree with Brad...if you're just getting started out no need to buy an expensive course or buy into a premium coaching program.

      Pick 1 "guru/mentor" you resonate with and follow everything they do. Read their blogs,signup to their newsletter,buy a few of their cheaper courses.

      Just find 1 leader/expert in your niche and learn from them. When you feel it's time to spend a little more money on your education then see if they offer coaching. Getting down the fundamentals shouldn't cost you an arm and a leg. Get started now. Don't look back a year from now with regret because you decided not to get started doing something.

      Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

      If you want a mentor find someone who's doing what you want to do successfully and copy them. You don't need to buy someones product or coaching.

      Now if you find someone who has the success you want (and it's from outside proof not their proof) reach out and ask how much for a 1 hour call.

      I have done this in many areas. The hour costs less than you might expect and if you're prepared you should get all the action steps you need.

      Ignore the screenshots and fancy cars.

      If you want to make money selling "art" check out the licensing expo trade show in Vegas this summer. You'll learn more there in 3 days than any ebook can teach you.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Verification is crucial

    Relying on 'word of mouth' or 'reputation' might not be enough. Seriously.

    Look for a proven track record and some sort of guarantee ASSUMING you actually carry out what your guru tells you.

    Also, cross reference whatever methods you learn.

    Your 'guru' might be feeding you outdated info - this is especially relevant to those looking to master FB marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Write Now
      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      Verification is crucial

      Relying on 'word of mouth' or 'reputation' might not be enough. Seriously.

      Look for a proven track record and some sort of guarantee ASSUMING you actually carry out what your guru tells you.

      Also, cross reference whatever methods you learn.

      Your 'guru' might be feeding you outdated info - this is especially relevant to those looking to master FB marketing.
      THIS time 100. There are A LOT of people out there that "fake the funk".

      MMO is the only industry where a guy can make "x" amount of money because he sold a product on the false premise that he has already made "x" amount of money.
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  • Profile picture of the author bushell86
    I like the idea of asking for a phone call. Some great advice.

    However, like webmarke states, it seems every guru has a coaching program and I've just been wondering is what they teach to become a 'guru' themselves and have their own coaching program, and then they all recommend and vouch for each other. Thats what got me thinking.

    Unfortunately when I said art, my art is just illustrations and caricatures, characters and not anything you'll see hanging next to a Andy Warhol
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by bushell86 View Post

      I like the idea of asking for a phone call. Some great advice.

      However, like webmarke states, it seems every guru has a coaching program and I've just been wondering is what they teach to become a 'guru' themselves and have their own coaching program, and then they all recommend and vouch for each other. Thats what got me thinking.

      Unfortunately when I said art, my art is just illustrations and caricatures, characters and not anything you'll see hanging next to a Andy Warhol
      Way to undervalue your art!

      How do you know what other people think of what you do?

      Illustrations, caricatures and characters go in newspapers, magazines, online branding, marketing pieces...there's a whole world of content creation and licensing out there. Go learn about it.

      As for mentoring...are you actually going to DO what is recommended? That's the biggest stumbling block I've had with clients, and Brad will echo that, too. Most people don't do a darn thing with what they're given...free or paid.
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      • Profile picture of the author bushell86
        Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

        Way to undervalue your art!

        How do you know what other people think of what you do?

        Illustrations, caricatures and characters go in newspapers, magazines, online branding, marketing pieces...there's a whole world of content creation and licensing out there. Go learn about it.

        As for mentoring...are you actually going to DO what is recommended? That's the biggest stumbling block I've had with clients, and Brad will echo that, too. Most people don't do a darn thing with what they're given...free or paid.
        Hi Jason, I haven't actually paid into a mentoring problem - it was more of a question, asking the feedback of others, especially those that have paid in to one. However, I do agree, I'm sure the case with quite a lot of people who buy into these programs is they don't take action on what knowledge they learn. I just thought it'd be interesting topic to discuss.

        P.S. as for my art, I'm familiar with these outlets and most of the drawings I do now get sourced to online casinos and the likes. I just meant, they're not going to sell for millions in an expo - but they put food on the table for now
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    • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
      Originally Posted by bushell86 View Post

      I like the idea of asking for a phone call. Some great advice.

      However, like webmarke states, it seems every guru has a coaching program and I've just been wondering is what they teach to become a 'guru' themselves and have their own coaching program, and then they all recommend and vouch for each other. Thats what got me thinking.
      You also have the instances where the coaching program is there merely to support the info product they are selling - they only coach as much as they have to, and as a marketing mechanism to end up promoting their product to a wider audience.

      Which is more cheesy? That way or the way you hint at, where their actual income the 'coach' makes is 'coaching', not actually implementing what they coach, well, except in their 'coaching' sales funnel, lol.

      I agree that is great advice that was given. I would remain at least as skeptical as you currently are. I'm not saying there may not be 'coaches' who could 'coach' you to the point where you felt it a wise investment of money, I'm just saying those people are not as prevalent as are the 'coaches' that are more full of shit and shinola than real world experience and advice they could share with you to help you make more money.

      Unfortunately when I said art, my art is just illustrations and caricatures, characters and not anything you'll see hanging next to a Andy Warhol
      Art is funny like that. I don't consider his stuff art, lol, and I spent time pouring bronze in a foundry for a sculptor and have been around plenty of art.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    You probably wouldn't sell anything at the expo. The purposes IMO would be to a) see what others are doing, so you can emulate--it's easier when someone shows you how; and b) start some relationships with people who could be good prospects down the road.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    You're right to be skeptical of most of the gooroo programs.

    A few years ago, I busted one faker when I recognized 'his' beach house. A slightly wider shot would have shown the 'For Sale' and 'Open House' signs next to the gated driveway. The Ferrari in the driveway? Zoom in and check the sticker for the rental car company in a corner of the windshield. I couldn't verify it, but I'm guessing the 'hot girlfriend' was also a rental.

    Not all of these courses are bogus, but you have to keep your BS meter set to 11. Your best bet is to buy into coaching that teaches something specific. For example, if I wanted to learn about launching a product, Jeff Walker is the guy. Want to learn Adwords? Perry Marshall. Like Brad said, find someone who is doing what you want to learn and learn it from them.

    Nowadays, that McMansion/sports car/bikini model shot is a major disqualifier for me. I see that, and I run the other way.
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  • Profile picture of the author bushell86
    John, I'm glad you said that as I wasn't sure if I was just the 'buzz killington' in the room - as I done a google image search on some of these 'luxurious gifts' and seen they were lifted off other websites. Just wanted to know if anyone has been successful with these programs. Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author workson
    Excellent points Brad, I don't understand how some people are so influenced by these pictures of houses and cars and decide to give their money to these so-called high-rollers. If they have to show pictures of cars and million-dollar properties, they sure don't need your $9
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    I'm already in the cartoon clip art licensing space.

    Feel free to emulate (just don't flat out copy) what I do over @ VectorToons.com and setup your own ecommerce store for your works.

    I started with a few items and grew my catalog to 16,000+ items for sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author ydsimple
    There are different gurus as well. I made my first $ from Guru course and from the knowledge I learn from that Guru I build a list of 1000 subscribers. Its all about taking action. :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author MuscleMemory
      Originally Posted by ydsimple View Post

      There are different gurus as well. I made my first $ from Guru course and from the knowledge I learn from that Guru I build a list of 1000 subscribers. Its all about taking action. :-)
      Same thing for me with one guy. I learned a lot from John Thornhill. I followed his one program by every step. Followed his videos and got my first website up with a PLR product re-done and new graphics.
      But I took huge massive action and spent around $220 (not including cost of course). Some people try to do it all without paying any money. That can never work. I hired a girl from Fiverr to re-write the PDF for me. Then I hired a graphic guy to do the site and product graphics. I bought into Getresponse.
      I learned so much from John. I know there are others out there just as good.
      But there are many fakers also. People on this forum will steer you right when looking for some one to learn from.
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  • Profile picture of the author trobo
    What I'm seeing here lately, is that some gurus are starting to offer "certification programs".

    This is where you pay the guru to take a course, and when you complete it they give you some sort of diploma or "certification" complete with their branded logo on it. The implication here is that people will now start to take you much more seriously when you go out to do freelance work.

    However, I doubt most clients would give two farts about these so-called "certifications". Many of your potential clients have probably never heard of these gurus.
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    • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
      Originally Posted by trobo View Post

      Many of your potential clients have probably never heard of these gurus.
      More like ALL of his potential clients.............
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    • Profile picture of the author TheGMa
      Originally Posted by trobo View Post

      What I'm seeing here lately, is that some gurus are starting to offer "certification programs".

      This is where you pay the guru to take a course, and when you complete it they give you some sort of diploma or "certification" complete with their branded logo on it. The implication here is that people will now start to take you much more seriously when you go out to do freelance work.

      However, I doubt most clients would give two farts about these so-called "certifications". Many of your potential clients have probably never heard of these gurus.
      Hi Tobo, nice to see you in the forum today.

      Actually, the word "certification" carries a great deal of weight with those who purchase products from freelancers. Freelancer.com is totally aware of this, and offers certifications for English and math.

      The word tells the potential buyer that the vendor has spent the time and money to become good at what they do; it relaxes them and therefore makes them more likely to buy. "Certified" and "Certification" have the same effect as when a medical product is endorsed by a doctor. It signifies approval, the most important emotion in all of salesdom, right up there with recognition.

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  • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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    No they don't at all, 0, nada, caput. Just corporate meaningless talk. Nothing practical in this guides.

    As someone else suggested find somebody in your area that has been successful and try to reach him/her. But i am still skeptical why they would help. They are busy making THEIR money.
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  • Profile picture of the author supereek
    I did get soload coaching.. expensive but worth it.. went from making 10$ a day to making 50$ a day.. still not much but its hell of a upgrade for me and i had to invest a lot to be honest. And what others here say.. 'ebooks' promising unrealistic things are usually washed out methods that barely work. Everybody who has a private method which banks good will most likely keep it private.
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  • Profile picture of the author SiteNameSales
    Was it my imagination, or did someone say "It works if you work it."

    If I had to choose one point of confusion in all the internet marketing promotion I see is that people often don't realize that they have to do the work.

    Maybe it's all those mouth-watering Done-For-You deals that confuse folks. Still, the better marketers will add the caveat that while some groundwork might be laid, you're going to need to get your ass in gear to make it all happen.

    And then there are the added costs. If you don't have a list and are told it is essential to have one, you're going to have to spend money on advertising or solo ads, etc. Cycling a promotional post through Facebook all day just ain't going to make it.

    Not all, but many of the miracle techniques I'm familiar are often black hat shortcuts that will probably get you banned some day from one platform or another.

    Finding the right coaching program can be difficult. Hyperbole and hype abound. But there are honest, talented coaches out there.

    Just realize that to be successful always takes a good work ethic and most often some sort of monetary investment above and beyond your sign-up fee.
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    • Profile picture of the author truthma
      Originally Posted by SiteNameSales View Post

      Was it my imagination, or did someone say "It works if you work it."

      If I had to choose one point of confusion in all the internet marketing promotion I see is that people often don't realize that they have to do the work.

      Maybe it's all those mouth-watering Done-For-You deals that confuse folks. Still, the better marketers will add the caveat that while some groundwork might be laid, you're going to need to get your ass in gear to make it all happen.

      And then there are the added costs. If you don't have a list and are told it is essential to have one, you're going to have to spend money on advertising or solo ads, etc. Cycling a promotional post through Facebook all day just ain't going to make it.

      Not all, but many of the miracle techniques I'm familiar are often black hat shortcuts that will probably get you banned some day from one platform or another.

      Finding the right coaching program can be difficult. Hyperbole and hype abound. But there are honest, talented coaches out there.

      Just realize that to be successful always takes a good work ethic and most often some sort of monetary investment above and beyond your sign-up fee.
      I think most that are not successful online have not yet come to the realization that they have to work to make money online. Coaching/Mentoring can have a dramatic impact on your business (a shortcut to success)!

      I enlisted 3 coaches since I have been online, only one of which helped me increase my business. But in fairness I didn't do all the work that was required, I wanted success but I didn't want to work that hard.

      I am on hundreds of marketers lists and I can only name 5 who I open all their emails and those are the people I ask about coaching because I like the way they market it resonates with me.
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  • Profile picture of the author bhopkins
    I haven't been around in a long time so take this with a grain of salt. I won't get into the gurus type thing as in my opinion they don't exist most of the ones you see are just selling you the dream. They search forums, MOZ, whoever, then repackage the content and sell it to you for $97 or $997.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
      Originally Posted by SCrafted View Post

      No they don't at all, 0, nada, caput. Just corporate meaningless talk. Nothing practical in this guides.

      As someone else suggested find somebody in your area that has been successful and try to reach him/her. But i am still skeptical why they would help. They are busy making THEIR money.
      Didn't you say in another thread that you have never bought these courses? I'm curious as to how you know, then that there is "nothing practical in this guides?"

      Originally Posted by bhopkins View Post

      I haven't been around in a long time so take this with a grain of salt. I won't get into the gurus type thing as in my opinion they don't exist most of the ones you see are just selling you the dream. They search forums, MOZ, whoever, then repackage the content and sell it to you for $97 or $997.
      Have proof of that or is it just a feeling?

      Mark
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      • Profile picture of the author bhopkins
        Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

        Didn't you say in another thread that you have never bought these courses? I'm curious as to how you know, then that there is "nothing practical in this guides?"



        Have proof of that or is it just a feeling?

        Mark
        Was on that feed and did not see how to get here. Yes, I have seen it with my own eyes. I've worked with some big name IMers, that you would know if I mentioned names and yes this is what happens a good bit. I'm not saying with everything, but with a lot of stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author bhopkins
      Well, it posted twice and I can't seem to edit. Anyway. as I was saying, the courses may be useful and sometimes someone may have a really good trick that can allow you to gain SE positions, but the truth is most of them have never actually tried the methods. Or they half way try thme and see a little improvement so they go with it.

      So the question is this, if you think you can figure it out on your own, then don't buy them, if the person has a decent reputation and there is a money back guarantee, then it may save you some time and headache.

      Personally, I do my own research and methods that work are not sold for a few bucks on a forum. I can make more using them myself and make more money over time than I could selling a few tips and tricks.
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  • Profile picture of the author bhopkins
    I haven't been around in a long time so take this with a grain of salt. I won't get into the gurus type thing as in my opinion they don't exist most of the ones you see are just selling you the dream. They search forums, MOZ, whoever, then repackage the content and sell it to you for $97 or $997.
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  • Profile picture of the author danieldesai
    There are some excellent mentors/products/courses out there that help you a lot.

    Notice I said "help".

    The products themselves won't make you one red cent.

    YOU need to make the money, a good product can only show you how to get it done.

    It's kind of like how a gym trainer can show you how to get super-fit but only YOU can actually do the work to get in shape... makes sense?

    So while it's true that a lot of courses sold by "gurus" aren't that good, even a good product can't save you...

    You are the one that makes it work (assuming it's legit).

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  • Profile picture of the author smiket
    The lifeblood of internet marketing is traffic. There are numerous ways to get traffic, both paid and organic. None of these ways are easy if you don't have a deeper understanding of the platform/medium that you are using. Realistically, you have 2 choices:
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  • Profile picture of the author smiket
    The lifeblood of internet marketing is traffic. There are numerous ways to get traffic, both paid and organic. None of these ways are easy if you don't have a deeper understanding of the platform/medium that you are using. Realistically, you have 2 choices: 1. Study one and just one way of generating traffic. You need to focus on it, despite the 1000s of distractions that you are going to encounter in your inbox and during your browsing sessions that say "The Complete Beginner's Guide to Work From Home". Test different angles and get good at tracking what works and what doesn't. Do more of what does work. There are plenty of resources, free resources, if you look for them. Google, Bing, Facebook, etc offer their own resources. This is going to take a lot of time and a lot of effort, but if you are technically inclined, it might be very well worth it. 2. Find someone who can generate leads for you. You will have to pay for those leads - pay the people that generate them and pay for any expenses that they have made on your behalf, such as web hosting, web design, advertising expenses(if you do paid advertising), content generation, etc. I can help you with both of these options(send me a message) - with free advice, should you want to do it on your own or with lead generation if you need someone to do it for you. Most of the gurus have a hidden angle, a way to make money off of you by promising a map to the riches that you desire. The reality is that most people want to get a lot with a minimum amount of effort/money. There are people that are ready to make a promise that you will get your heart's desire for the low, heavily discounted amount of(insert amount here), but for that price, you usually get just the promise itself and a watered down version of those previously mentioned free resources. It's the same thing that happens in the weight-loss vertical. The pills never work, at least not without a strict diet/exercise regime, but it is still a billions of dollars(with a B) market because the people will always fall for what they desire.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    If you want a mentor find someone who's doing what you want to do successfully and copy them. You don't need to buy someones product or coaching.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nico Puegher
    Well, you can find great "internet gurus" out there, but you can find a lot of shit as well and scams. When I say a lot of shit I mean A LOT OF SHIT.

    The better thing I can recommend to you is building your own network where you can ask people you trust a recommendation, in this case, a guru. That way you will find a good one for sure!
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  • Profile picture of the author neo3838
    there are a lot difrent gurus some are scams ;/
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  • Profile picture of the author dawoodkhan97
    Well, I believe where there is "GOOD", there is "BAD".
    So to say that ALL gurus out there provide nothing would be wrong.

    A mentor will always guide you in the right direction, teach you
    stuff which is tested, plus will also save you thousands of dollars
    getting wasted. I can personally name you more a dozen mentors
    that have SUCCESSFULLY coached many students.

    The thing isn't about whether mentors work or not because there
    are con artists, scammers everywhere. It should BE US who need
    to do proper 'RESEARCH' and homework before going for any mentorship.

    Regards
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Iannotti
    Mentors can go way beyond just slapping a product together or instructing someone what to do. That part is easy. The mental game is what most people lack and often times when a true mentor can assist with. Other's may need that extra push or supervision, there is lots of reasons people may need a mentor, but you can certainly succeed without one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tandil Wijaya
    I have attended some of IM guru/mentor's packages over the years. It is most effective when you really put into practice what he/she/they have taught while the knowledge is still fresh in your mind and the techniques taught are still current, as you must be aware that some techniques will soon turn obsolete over probably short period of time.
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