If you couldn't get a job and had to start from 0

by Zodiax
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I know, I know another one of THESE threads.

If you couldn't get a job- and had no choice but to start with nothing but a laptop and the seat of a car and no wi-fi- barring the ability to piggyback off of other connections- what would you do to generate an income on the internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

    I know, I know another one of THESE threads.

    If you couldn't get a job- and had no choice but to start with nothing but a laptop and the seat of a car and no wi-fi- barring the ability to piggyback off of other connections- what would you do to generate an income on the internet.
    Really!!! of all people

    I would do what I did a few years ago , just go to as many business and asked if they have a website or a social presence.

    Then outsource and make a profit

    Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelCo
    Put my car up for sale as i need to eat to live. Or, sell my laptop and start going around car boot sales finding stuff you can buy that you can flog for more so i can later invest online.

    But... you still need to eat.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
    Hmmm.

    Looks like I overlooked Ebay.

    There seems to be a group of people finding success selling e-books with resale rights there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

      Hmmm.

      Looks like I overlooked Ebay.

      There seems to be a group of people finding success selling e-books with resale rights there.
      If there was a post it has been nuked or is this just an idea you pulled out of ####
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  • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
    Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

    I know, I know another one of THESE threads.

    If you couldn't get a job- and had no choice but to start with nothing but a laptop and the seat of a car and no wi-fi- barring the ability to piggyback off of other connections- what would you do to generate an income on the internet.
    Sell a service. Either one you do or through arbitrage. One of two things is necessary to make money (an actual living, if even only $50,000/year) through all of the other methods - time or money. Yes, I'm sure you can find an example of someone who started with nothing and a few months later was doing well, but for MOST, and I mean most people who are successful, not most who try overall, had one of the two things - time or money.

    If you want to go that route, you can set up a website/landing page and autoresponder and try to forum post/guest post/Facebook Like/etc. your way to success (a big maybe), but that usually takes time or paid traffic (if it works at all for you). Living in your car and unemployed, though, you have all kinds of time on your hands. If you need to, go to your local library and use it as your office. Libraries will let you sit in a corner all day, using their WiFi.

    If you are living in your car (I'm pullin' for ya, and plenty of people have had periods of their life like that) instead of just fishing for blog post ideas with this thread, you need income coming in fast. You need to HONESTLY assess your skills and then use that as a basis for a marketing plan and rates to charge.

    This ain't easy, either, as far as establishing a long term, full time income in the service provider world, but you can at least make some money quicker, to hold you over and get back on your feet. Again, making a service gig work and getting consistent orders is waaay harder than it sounds around here, but if you are living in your car, even $15,000 over several months can help.

    Keep in mind that pretty much EVERYTHING has been commoditized, from writing to graphics to web development. This means you either need to join the fray of bidding on $5.00 gigs, or separate yourself from them and go after a different customer base.

    You don't have to have one, but should consider a website non-optional for a service based business. Put your best stuff on display (your writing, graphics, etc.) on your site. Add resource articles, etc., to give people a sample of your wares. If you are going to go this route, leave and breathe it. If you want to sell writing, even if you outsource it, you need to become an editor and understand what good writing is and isn't - a relatively easy thing to do.

    Take stock of every skill you have acquired up to this point in your life, and see how you can apply it to selling a service. I don't know what you are doing with the site in your sig (have you owned since 2001?), but if you wrote that 'essay', lol, you can write. Study up just a bit more on writing, and that is your entrance point. Forget looking at other freelancers sites (no offense, those with portfolio sites) for ideas. Head to digital agency/content marketing sites. Make your site have that type of flavor, including several 1,000+ word articles of a helpful nature. Figure out a target market to focus on, preferably something you have some knowledge in. You don't have to charge a lot (depends upon you, your skills, and your life experiences), but you should charge more along the lines of at least $20 for 800 words, or so, IMO. Just make sure your quality is up to snuff compared to the $5 crowd. Don't just think 'selling writing'. You are selling content, which includes graphics and video - stuff you can easily outsource to make a 'package' type deal.

    If this is your current situation, keep your chin up and best of luck to you. You have enough of a basis for good writing and creativity to capitalize up that skill, and that is what you need to focus on every waking second. The tough part is going to be marketing yourself and getting leads. Don't be afraid to cold email people, but do it on a personal level, keep it brief, tell them you can help them with whatever it is you are doing. Align that 'help' with how it benefits THEM, not talking about yourself.

    Don't fall for all of the pipe dreams around here, it will only distract you and hold you back. Most people on this forum have NO CLUE how to actually make a living on the Net and are not doing so, they just repeat what sounds good and common sense (a lot of this is common sense, and good advice can come from non-Im ballers). NONE of this stuff is as easy as people her make it sound, and for certain areas of IM (PPC on a good traffic source in a good, scalable market as an example), good luck without at least several thousand dollars to start.

    For the TLDR crowd, my answer is to sell a service, and if you cannot provide one, arbitrage one. And no, that advice is not for everyone. Some people will need to start small and go after those $5 gigs, but some others have enough life experience and a good enough head on their shoulders to confidently and competently enter a service market that caters to the online world.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      You know what sucks the most about the situation I am in?

      I was formerly(and still am to a point), a firm believer in the get a job and be secure route, until I lost my third job a few weeks ago.

      It seems employers have unrealistic expectations, and will throw you away on the quickest whim.

      It's like I am going against my very nature 'building a business from scratch'.

      I'm just sick,sick,sick,sick of getting my hopes and dreams crushed by an employer.

      Waaaaah, there is no security today.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

        I'm just sick,sick,sick,sick of getting my hopes and dreams crushed by an employer.

        Waaaaah, there is no security today.
        Then use that to your advantage. Visualize and keep that Image in your head when your Employer informed you that they no longer needed you.

        Internalize that feeling, feel it, own it, experience it...then when you are working on your Online Business and the moment you feel like being too complacent or getting restless with it access that feeling of being treated like crap from your Employer and use that to motivate you

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      • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
        Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

        ...I lost my third job a few weeks ago.

        It seems employers have unrealistic expectations, and will throw you away on the quickest whim....
        "Unrealistic expectations"? You mean, like showing up for work on time every single day, shutting your mouth, and actually doing your job?

        I'm not going to pull any punches here. If you act in real life anything like you do here, I'm not at all surprised that you keep getting fired.

        You seem like you have a brain in your head. Use it. Stop blaming everyone else, and take a long, hard look at what you keep doing to antagonize all these employers.

        I'm not saying give up on the online dream. But right now, you need money, (and Mommy/Daddy really aren't helping you long-term with their loans). Get your *ss up and over to Labor Ready by 4am tomorrow, wait in line until they open at 5:30, get an assignment, work a full day, get paid at the end of the day, and keep doing this for a few weeks or months until you have enough cash to make the next move. Here's another hint: When the boss tells you to move 50 pounds of bricks from here to there, you stand up straight, look him in the eye, smile, and say, "Yes, Sir!!"... then actually do it, with your eyes open and your mouth shut.
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        • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
          Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

          "Unrealistic expectations"? You mean, like showing up for work on time every single day, shutting your mouth, and actually doing your job?

          I'm not going to pull any punches here. If you act in real life anything like you do here, I'm not at all surprised that you keep getting fired.

          You seem like you have a brain in your head. Use it. Stop blaming everyone else, and take a long, hard look at what you keep doing to antagonize all these employers.

          I'm not saying give up on the online dream. But right now, you need money, (and Mommy/Daddy really aren't helping you long-term with their loans). Get your *ss up and over to Labor Ready by 4am tomorrow, wait in line until they open at 5:30, get an assignment, work a full day, get paid at the end of the day, and keep doing this for a few weeks or months until you have enough cash to make the next move. Here's another hint: When the boss tells you to move 50 pounds of bricks from here to there, you stand up straight, look him in the eye, smile, and say, "Yes, Sir!!"... then actually do it, with your eyes open and your mouth shut.
          What money or benefit do I get from being somebody's *****.

          That's the reality for the 99 percent who run at the whistle.

          The school system trains us to work on the assembly lines built in the 1800s(which don't exist)

          I have yet to hear of a highly wealthy person that works a job saying 'yes sir'. What a mockery
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          • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
            Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

            What money or benefit do I get from being somebody's *****.

            That's the reality for the 99 percent who run at the whistle.

            The school system trains us to work on the assembly lines built in the 1800s(which don't exist)

            I have yet to hear of a highly wealthy person that works a job saying 'yes sir'. What a mockery
            The benefit would be earning a few hundred dollars so you would no longer have nothing to your name. I never said you'd become wealthy working as a day laborer; I said you could build up your reserves enough so that you could take the next step.

            The other benefit could be a change in attitude. You want to go into business for yourself, right? Do you really think your clients are going to be that much different than your bosses? I said to figure out why you keep getting fired; the reason I said that was so that you can potentially fix that before it really gets you into trouble in the future.

            Your problem is that you keep looking for shortcuts in life. There are none.
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            • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
              Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

              The benefit would be earning a few hundred dollars so you would no longer have nothing to your name. I never said you'd become wealthy working as a day laborer; I said you could build up your reserves enough so that you could take the next step.

              The other benefit could be a change in attitude. You want to go into business for yourself, right? Do you really think your clients are going to be that much different than your bosses? I said to figure out why you keep getting fired; the reason I said that was so that you can potentially fix that before it really gets you into trouble in the future.

              Your problem is that you keep looking for shortcuts in life. There are none.
              I know- and add that to my obviously insubordinate attitude, I get an employee of the year badge.

              It's not even that I don't try. I swear I do.

              It's just that words come out of my mouth that I don't truly mean and I can't take them back.

              It's like however hard I tried the employer wants more for less- and gets unjustifiably upset.

              My old job I came in everyday and hour early and left two hours later every day. My reward? Being told I'm coming in too early and having my co-workers trying to get my fired for no apparent reason.

              I ended up clocking out for lunch and never going back.

              I hate being disrespected in that manner, and I just don't see myself being extorted for time.

              The best job I had I came in early and did what I was told, just to be told, "we don't need anymore temps".

              Of course I was told it was my fault.
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              • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
                Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

                It's just that words come out of my mouth that I don't truly mean and I can't take them back.
                Thanks for your honesty.

                Now you have something concrete that you can focus on changing.

                No, I'm not being snarky. Believe it or not, I actually do care about you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    I love online marketing and believe anyone can build a successful business.

    But . . .

    For those desperate and needing a living income now . . .

    Put all your focus and effort into finding a local job!

    It's your best hope of real income within the next few weeks or months.

    Online business will always be there for you. You can always start making money online in your spare time down the road.

    Don't put undue pressure on your new Internet business to produce a living wage . . . it will lead you to making poor decisions about other people's claims of having the magic solution to all your money woes!

    Focus on getting a local job to cover your essential and basic needs. It's your fastest and best solution to getting back on your feet.

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      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      I love online marketing and believe anyone can build a successful business.
      Steve
      If that was true Steve the failure rate would be zero wouldn't it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

    I know, I know another one of THESE threads.

    If you couldn't get a job- and had no choice but to start with nothing but a laptop and the seat of a car and no wi-fi- barring the ability to piggyback off of other connections- what would you do to generate an income on the internet.
    Sorry, but there's really not enough info given to get quality answers.


    Do you live in a big city or small town?


    Why can't you get a job?


    What gov benefits have you applied for? Are there any food banks in your area?


    What's your cash flow situation? Do you have some cash so you can wait to get paid or do you need cash immediately?


    Do you have a home/apartment or totally out on the streets?


    Is your car OK for Uber?


    What skills do you have? Can you offer them on Craigslist?


    If you have pretty good writing/research skills, you can try www.textbroker.com.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Sorry, but there's really not enough info given to get quality answers.


      Do you live in a big city or small town?


      Why can't you get a job?


      What gov benefits have you applied for? Are there any food banks in your area?


      What's your cash flow situation? Do you have some cash so you can wait to get paid or do you need cash immediately?


      Do you have a home/apartment or totally out on the streets?


      Is your car OK for Uber?


      What skills do you have? Can you offer them on Craigslist?


      If you have pretty good writing/research skills, you can try www.textbroker.com.
      Do you live in a big city or small town? I live in NYC


      Why can't you get a job? I can get a job but the problem is keeping them. I have yet to land a job where the expectations and workplace politics get me pushed out on minutes notice.


      What gov benefits have you applied for? Are there any food banks in your area? Parent benefit


      What's your cash flow situation? Do you have some cash so you can wait to get paid or do you need cash immediately? I have the "Ask your family for money situation"


      Do you have a home/apartment or totally out on the streets? No it was just a hypothetical.


      Is your car OK for Uber? I don't have a car


      What skills do you have? Can you offer them on Craigslist? In my experience- people looking for workers on Craigslist want a bargain, as in $10-$30 for about eight hours work. Never works out for me. The level of marketing and credibility required to net four figure clients would be at a point where writing for cash would be redundant.

      If one of you skilled hustlers have experience selling "no experience" and average writing ability to net $500-$2000 payments, tell me- I am open to suggestions.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    If you can't even afford local internet for your business, then you should not even consider starting.

    An internet connection is the basic of the basic.

    If you can't get a job, sell stuff that you own and gather some money to get your own internet connection and then learn how to do paid ads.
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    If you do not have the temperament to get and keep a job then you probably do not have the temperament to be a business owner.

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    • Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      If you do not have the temperament to get and keep a job then you probably do not have the temperament to be a business owner.

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      Most of the successful entrepreneurs would disagree with you.
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    • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      If you do not have the temperament to get and keep a job then you probably do not have the temperament to be a business owner.

      al
      I disagree....

      Let's look at a man who couldn't keep or get a "job."

      Steven Paul Jobs

      He got a job by submitting Steve Wozniak' Pong as his own work.... at Atari.

      He allegedly had body odor.... because he refused to shower.

      He allegedly refused to wear shoes....

      According to Atari's Founder, Nolan Bushnell, Steve was "difficult but valuable."

      He was called an a-hole by many people....

      He had very limited technical knowledge to actually build anything...

      He allegedly had a very volatile temper....

      Looking at all of this..... He wasn't someone you'd want to hire... let alone keep.

      He couldn't get or keep a "job" to save his life unless he was the "Top Dog." Remember, he was fired by the company he founded.

      I am not saying Steve Jobs wasn't valuable...... I am saying he didn't do well unless he was in control....

      Being the visionary telling people what to do is a very different job than being a "worker bee." They require two different types of people....You do occasionally see people who can do both.... But, it is rare.

      Case in point.... Gary Vaynerchuk..... I couldn't imagine him working for someone, sitting in a cube and being told what to do for 50-60 hours per week...... He'd probably throw a tantrum after 20 minutes........ :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by TrickyDick View Post

        I disagree....

        Let's look at a man who couldn't keep or get a "job."

        Steven Paul Jobs

        He got a job by submitting Steve Wozniak' Pong as his own work.... at Atari.

        He allegedly had body odor.... because he refused to shower.

        He allegedly refused to wear shoes....

        According to Atari's Founder, Nolan Bushnell, Steve was "difficult but valuable."

        He was called an a-hole by many people....

        He had very limited technical knowledge to actually build anything...

        He allegedly had a very volatile temper....

        Looking at all of this..... He wasn't someone you'd want to hire... let alone keep.

        He couldn't get or keep a "job" to save his life unless he was the "Top Dog." Remember, he was fired by the company he founded.

        I am not saying Steve Jobs wasn't valuable...... I am saying he didn't do well unless he was in control....

        Being the visionary telling people what to do is a very different job than being a "worker bee." They require two different types of people....You do occasionally see people who can do both.... But, it is rare.

        Case in point.... Gary Vaynerchuk..... I couldn't imagine him working for someone, sitting in a cube and being told what to do for 50-60 hours per week...... He'd probably throw a tantrum after 20 minutes........ :-)

        Stop. Please. Although not being able to hold a job doesn't necessarily mean you can't run your own business, please stop with the "Steve Jobs" references. Steve Jobs (and Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerberg) are all "outliers" and shouldn't be used to make a point - ever.

        I tend to agree somewhat with agmccall. If a person doesn't have the discipline to hold down a job, what makes you think that person would have the discipline to launch and run a business? I believe this was agmccall's point.

        The characteristics of a person who is successful working for "the man" and those of a person who runs a business are far more similar than people on this forum think.

        OP joined this forum over 2 years ago and still hasn't been able to launch his own business (and has likely jumped from shiny object to shiny object). This behavior is the exact lack of discipline that I believe agmccall was referring to.
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        • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
          Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

          The characteristics of a person who is successful working for "the man" and those of a person who runs a business are far more similar than people on this forum think.
          Sure, you need to be able to stick with something.....

          But, in the end....

          I think those who work for "the man" and Entrepreneurs are cut from a different cloth.
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          • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
            Originally Posted by TrickyDick View Post

            I think those who work for the man and Entrepreneurs are cut from a different cloth.
            Not necessarily. I do both. My online earnings from my own business exceed what many folks make from a full-time job. I keep my full-time job because it offers me benefits that I find valuable. I think there are MANY folks (I know some of them) who work "for the man" who would do very well on their own...

            ...which is why I say that there are far more similarities than you think.
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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

              Not necessarily. I do both. My online earnings from my own business exceed what many folks make from a full-time job. I keep my full-time job because it offers me benefits that I find valuable. I think there are MANY folks (I know some of them) who work "for the man" who would do very well on their own...

              ...which is why I say that there are far more similarities than you think.
              Hey, at least TD didn't use the term "wage slave"...
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              • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
                Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                Hey, at least TD didn't use the term "wage slave"...
                Not "wage slave." Simply a "slave." See Prince's pic below.... :-)

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            • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
              Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

              Not necessarily. I do both. My online earnings from my own business exceed what many folks make from a full-time job. I keep my full-time job because it offers me benefits that I find valuable. I think there are MANY folks (I know some of them) who work "for the man" who would do very well on their own...

              ...which is why I say that there are far more similarities than you think.
              Their are definitely "outliers."

              But, I wouldn't bet my life on thinking someone who works "for the man" would do very well on their own.... There are too many factors involved....

              You can see "potential." But, there is no way to know exactly how things would play out... People will do seemingly crazy things under stress.
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              • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
                Originally Posted by TrickyDick View Post


                But, I wouldn't bet my life on thinking someone who works "for the man" would do very well on their own.... There are too many factors involved....

                You can see "potential." But, there is no way to know exactly how things would play out... People will do seemingly crazy things under stress.
                Of course there is no way to know - and I would NEVER bet on anyone but myself.

                Your statement, "People will do seemingly crazy things under stress." illustrates my point that discipline is critical. Without it, people make poor decisions. This leads back to my original point that if a person can't find the discipline to make the EASY decisions that allow him to hold down a job, where is he going to find the discipline to make HARDER decisions that are required to be a successful entrepreneur?
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                • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
                  Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

                  Of course there is no way to know - and I would NEVER bet on anyone but myself.

                  Your statement, "People will do seemingly crazy things under stress." illustrates my point that discipline is critical. Without it, people make poor decisions. This leads back to my original point that if a person can't find the discipline to make the EASY decisions that allow him to hold down a job, where is he going to find the discipline to make HARDER decisions that are required to be a successful unrepentant?
                  True............

                  The thing is you can be very skilled in your job.... When you go out on your own, you have to learn "selling skills" on the fly. That can be tough for many people....

                  I do one of one "shining example" of someone who is so technically skilled.... He went out on his own and makes a killing...... He charges $275 per hour for his services...

                  Plus, he has staff he contracts out because of his "authority" in his field. He is probably earning a couple hundred dollars per hour on this alone.

                  He is similar to "Rain Man." Talking to him about "non technical" things is nearly impossible. Talk about technology.... He is very sharp.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

    You know what sucks the most about the situation I am in?

    I was formerly(and still am to a point), a firm believer in the get a job and be secure route, until I lost my third job a few weeks ago.

    It seems employers have unrealistic expectations, and will throw you away on the quickest whim.

    It's like I am going against my very nature 'building a business from scratch'.

    I'm just sick,sick,sick,sick of getting my hopes and dreams crushed by an employer.

    Waaaaah, there is no security today.
    Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

    I can get a job but the problem is keeping them. I have yet to land a job where the expectations and workplace politics get me pushed out on minutes notice.
    These comments remind of Jim Carrey's commencement speech that went viral a couple of years ago, reminding us that we can fail at things we don't want too.


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  • I would drop all my ideas for a tiny weeny profit here and there, and focus all my energy on executing one idea that has mass appeal and provides real value.

    + I'd work on everything I have on my to-do list in 20-minute increments. A while ago I realized that I don't need to chunk tasks into small pieces, as long as I know what I want the outcome to look like and *INVEST* my time in the task. Gets all the pressure off of me and it takes me as long as it takes me.
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  • Profile picture of the author 3wCorner
    Apply as a freelancer. May it be a writer, programmer, clerk, researcher, manager and the like.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Unemployable... is a real life issue, and I for one have come to recognize, accept, and appreciate that there is no future for me at any JOB!

    I too, am in a similar predicament as many of you already know, and I am not by any means ashamed to admit it, or willing to believe the vast majority will ever come to this crossroad and take the high road to success... instead, they will follow the herd!

    No offense, as I am no Dr. Phil.... although my philosophy escapes me more and more each passing day, and screams "freedom" louder than any paycheck I've yet to earn, for it will not come by way of renting real estate in someone else's backyard.

    Hell, I lived in a parking lot for almost a month with my wife and 3 kids... I observed humanity and it was very disenchanting... they operate like robots, and ever so often you'll meet one who just has that "radiant glow" like they know something and it escapes every fiber of their being!

    I believe; 98% of people need to sit in a parking lot for 30 days... and go without everything less the basic essentials, and I can guarantee one of two outcomes:

    1.) They would self-destruct, melt-down and suffer permanent trauma

    2.) They's grow some balls, recognize, accept, and appreciate that they already know the answer... they just need to absorb in the moment, and tune-in to that child-like mind they once had... for it's there the dream, passion, and answer remains...

    Now, before I give away too much, as I am still trying to finish my writings and free report... there's definitely a reason when you hit zero... and in my opinion, it's a means to realign yourself with what matters most to you!

    Right on... Hey Jesus was homeless, and he left in a beam a light... how bad can it be?

    -Art

    PS- My answer to the inferred question... write a book that blows people's f..king minds, and then, show them an escape route!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
    Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

    I know, I know another one of THESE threads.

    If you couldn't get a job- and had no choice but to start with nothing but a laptop and the seat of a car and no wi-fi- barring the ability to piggyback off of other connections- what would you do to generate an income on the internet.
    I don't have "nothing" as I have done things in the past that I have experience with.

    The question is do you have some past experience that can be somehow translated into money - and if so do you need or will the internet be helpful in attaining that money.

    Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post


    Waaaaah, there is no security today.
    There hasn't been security for quite some time.

    That was a lie you were brought up to believe.

    Now, about the job thing and you not being able to keep them - perhaps you need a different job. I know there are a crap load of jobs in the city. Perhaps the issue is you thinking you are above them?

    Also, there is plenty of transportation around and out of the city. You could always look at upstate NY, CT, or Jersey depending on what it is you are doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Zodiax, it sounds like you need a bit of an attitude adjustment.

    You can't hold a job, but it's the employer's fault because their expectations don't sink to your performance?

    What's wrong with this picture?
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    • Profile picture of the author GunnerJacky
      I didn't get a job and so I am getting myself trained in firearms. After completing the course I can apply for security officer or any job that requires gun skills.
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      • Profile picture of the author DFearon
        Originally Posted by GunnerJacky View Post

        I didn't get a job and so I am getting myself trained in firearms. After completing the course I can apply for security officer or any job that requires gun skills.

        After you've done all that I'd be seriously considering setting yourself up a blog going through the process of what you've learned. Affiliate links, reviews, an "authority" blog if you will. Then teach us all how to do what you do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I'd have to start off like this:

    - Sleep in my car
    - Donate plasma for money
    - Donate sperm (if available near you) for money
    - Find free wifi places around where you live
    - Buy some decent but super cheap job interview clothes
    - Apply for jobs
    - Secure interview
    - Land job
    - Work and get that paycheck
    - Continue to live in car
    - Use some of the first paycheck to fund advertising
    - Then continue to use part of each paycheck to fund advertising
    - Save up when possible, then eventually get your own place to live

    I lived like this for 11 months before i landed a great IT job. Luckily the lifestyle didn't buy me.

    Plus... it was exciting cruising the city and streets everyday and night for ALL KINDS of different reasons.

    But if i didn't have anything, this is how i would start.
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      I'd have to start off like this:

      - Sleep in my car
      - Donate plasma for money
      - Donate sperm (if available near you) for money
      - Find free wifi places around where you live
      - Buy some decent but super cheap job interview clothes
      - Apply for jobs
      - Secure interview
      - Land job
      - Work and get that paycheck
      - Continue to live in car
      - Use some of the first paycheck to fund advertising
      - Then continue to use part of each paycheck to fund advertising
      - Save up when possible, then eventually get your own place to live

      I lived like this for 11 months before i landed a great IT job. Luckily the lifestyle didn't buy me.

      Plus... it was exciting cruising the city and streets everyday and night for ALL KINDS of different reasons.

      But if i didn't have anything, this is how i would start.
      I don't know if it's different in other countries, but in the UK you can only get a job if you have an address. So living in a car would be a stopper to getting one. Is this different in the US?
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      • Profile picture of the author art72
        Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

        I don't know if it's different in other countries, but in the UK you can only get a job if you have an address. So living in a car would be a stopper to getting one. Is this different in the US?
        People here just "borrow" an address if they need one that bad (i.e. friend, family member, make one up, etc...) it's not like your i.d. has to match your residence (although, by law I believe it is supposed to) - so, short answer... not having an address, really isn't a valid excuse here, and can't imagine it being that hard of a work-a-round in UK either, tho I've never had the pleasure to visit, let alone live there.

        I do know from experience, if you live in a motel or extended stay hotel for any measure of time (we stayed almost a year in one), you are considered homeless, and you cannot get a state i.d. or other services using those types of addresses, as it is not recognized as a legal residence or address.

        And another 'note' to remember as a US citizen, there are a lot of questionable laws as to whether or not you are required to carry a Drivers-License for non-commercial (personal travels) while operating a vehicle on ANY public road, as the DMV (department of motor vehicles) is NOT a legal authority, rather an organization that is actually violating people's "Human Rights" according to the "Bill of Rights" passed, signed, and put into place to protect what liberty and freedoms the Forefather's believed was a God-given set of rights.

        (*I've been looking deeper into something called: "FreedomProject[.com] contains some very interesting stuff as to original 1st 10 Amendments!)

        Lastly, as I got to get to work, years ago my wife and I were threatened by a State Trooper that by law, we were NOT allowed to sleep at a rest stop on Florida's turnpike, as it was illegal for us to sleep there (???) - despite having paid the tolls, just to 'tuck away' and have access to a bathroom during the night.

        *It's not like we had a tent set up, roasting squirrels on the fire, we pulled in at midnight, and left at sunrise, on the 3rd day... we were warned we would be arrested if we showed up again.

        I'm not trying to turn this into a legal issue concerning people being homeless, but my point is; even in the US it is highly frowned upon if you do not have a residence, and there are few (safe) shelters to take refuge. At least ones that are not over-filled by vagrants, chronic homeless, and those who actually "choose" the lifestyle. *There is a big difference between being temporarily 'outdoors' and actually being labeled 'homeless' - I've experienced it, it's not pretty man!

        Thank God... I'm not out there now, it is a humbling experience, and yet it's not one I would welcome having further experience in... unless, I am camping out and catching fish, lol.

        -Art
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  • Profile picture of the author semahsedut
    offer work as a freelancer and build reputation from there
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  • Profile picture of the author danieldesai
    I would be a stripper.

    Yes, I know that isn't internet marketing but it works.

    Trust me.

    Regards,
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Originally Posted by danieldesai View Post

      I would be a stripper.

      Yes, I know that isn't internet marketing but it works.

      Trust me.

      Regards,
      Daniel
      Don't know if manboobs sell
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      • Profile picture of the author danieldesai
        Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

        Don't know if manboobs sell
        Ahh, but mine do.

        They're called pecs.

        Daniel
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  • Profile picture of the author xrobot
    no money, no internet, no problem if you have ideas to make money offline
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    I have always said Attitude will give you Altitude

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  • Profile picture of the author EPoltrack77
    If you couldn't get a job then thats the first problem. Having a laptop will take you no where. You have to be the correct person!

    Is it you could not get a job or you don't want a job? Big difference!

    Go to the library and start educating yourself...

    Do you have a library card? They are free you know
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    I would take my laptop to the library down the road where they have free internet access.

    Then I'd run an ad in Warriors for Hire to write articles. I'd post to the ad in my signature. I might offer a discount for the first five warriors.

    I'd also put in some bids on freelance sites.

    When I wasn't writing for clients I'd start publishing on Kindle. (Not a short term way to make money but it starts to build after awhile).

    But that's just me....

    Rose
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    I'm not saying "discipline" is all it takes. What I'm saying is that "discipline" is a fundamental piece of the whole thing.

    Launching and running a business requires discipline to do things that aren't glamorous and that aren't fun.

    Know what else requires discipline to do things that aren't glamorous nor fun? Holding down a job.

    That's the point I was making.

    Does an entrepreneur possess other qualities? Sure. But without discipline, the other stuff often doesn't matter.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    The main problem I see is the backup plan is "my parents". While that's great when you are starting out it also means you don't have to try as hard.
    You won't be hungry or homeless so if you lose a job it's an inconvenience.

    If you can't keep a job time after time - if you complain about "expectations" and "office politics"...you need real job training.

    The only place you should "stand out" in a new job is in the quality or quantity (or both) of work you produce. Other than that - keep your head down and your mouth shut. Stay out of office politics and personal problems of other workers....don't gossip or snipe or offer suggestions for "how this company can run better".

    If a steady job is what you want - why not move to an area where jobs are more plentiful and cost of living is not as high? If online work is what you want to do - what's stopping you?

    An inability to keep a job does not make you a "visionary". If it did, it would mean there are a LOT of "visionaries" living in Momma's basement in their 30's and 40's....
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  • Profile picture of the author Dale Ziskoff
    Freelancing is your best bet to start off. There has to be something your good at that is marketable and sellable. Start there
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    There are two types of people (okay there's more than two, but let's use two for this example).

    One says:

    I prefer to work for myself because -

    I want to set my own hours.

    I want to choose work that I enjoy and I feel I'm accomplishing something.

    I would rather work 60 hours a week for myself than 40 for someone else.

    I don't want to limit my income potential.

    The other person says:

    I don't really want to start a business but due to lousy employers I can't keep a job.

    One has a good chance of succeeding as an entrepreneur. The other, not so much.

    Just my thoughts.

    Rose
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  • Profile picture of the author DFearon
    The first thing I did as I had little technical know how when I was couch surfing after a few unwise investments and ex-gf clearing out the bank account was flip 1940/50s pottery. Sounds crazy I know, but I was turning $5 car boot sale thrift into hundreds of dollars on specialized FB groups. I checked out physical auctions and watched items worth hundreds going for dollars. Hell I sold 70s clothing from charity shops to Fancy Dress shops to hard cash, easy simple and good money if you willing to drag yourself out of bed to fight for it. That's how I got back on my feet. The money is out there if you want it enough. Good luck, whatever you do.
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  • Profile picture of the author yehova
    sell short report or ebooks in fb groups
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      first build and optin page

      then drive all the traffic you can to it.

      Help list, offer them stuff.

      The three tips I have given you above, have taken comapanies worth $0 to millions of dollars.

      The secret is generating FRESH and HIGH QUALITY lead each day.

      I guess easier said than done most likely, but no impossible.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

      What money or benefit do I get from being somebody's *****.

      That's the reality for the 99 percent who run at the whistle.

      The school system trains us to work on the assembly lines built in the 1800s(which don't exist)

      I have yet to hear of a highly wealthy person that works a job saying 'yes sir'. What a mockery
      Unless they got their wealth the really old fashioned way (via inheritance), highly wealthy people didn't start that way. Many of them got their start in jobs where 'yes, sir' was the expected answer to any request. They did as they were told, learned what they could, and eventually hired young pups who were expected to say 'yes, sir'.

      Sounds to me like you want to skip that stage. Maybe a hitch in the military would do you some good. Learn a little discipline, get your meals and other essentials covered, and leave in a few years with veterans benefits.

      You wrote in a later post that coming in an hour early and staying two hours late got you in dutch with coworkers who tried to get you fired. Admirable as the intent was, you could have caused trouble for your employer as well. They can get into serious hot water for allowing employees to work off the clock.

      I worked for one company that nearly fired me for working through a 15 minute break. Seems that before my time, a former employee made a habit of being gung-ho, working through lunches and breaks, starting early and staying late. He later turned around and sued the company for unpaid wages plus damages, and won. From that moment, all breaks were to be taken away from your desk, and you had a five minute window for clocking in and out.

      Zodiax, you don't sound like a bad guy, or a dummy. You sound like a really young guy with some maturity issues and some whack ideas about work and business. I wish you well...
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    • Profile picture of the author William Waltham
      I'd use my internet connection at whatever wi-fi hub I could find to get some work at the better paying content mills. I learned how to make pretty decent money there years ago, and know that with my fast researching and writing skills, I could easily go back and make between $500 and $1,500 a month, depending on how hard I worked and how motivated I was. In fact, that's always my fallback plan, because I know I can always go back to it and make money. I gave up being an employee a decade ago, and won't go back. I'm not suited to it.

      While I was building up my income and savings and paying my bills with content mill writing, I would also look for private writing clients online and in the local community, and gradually transform them into full-service SEO clients. It's exactly what I did when I set out to be my own boss back in 2006. It worked then, and it would work again. It's not for everyone. But, it worked for me, and I know I have the skills it takes to build it all again from scratch if I had to.
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  • Profile picture of the author jc0708
    Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

    I know, I know another one of THESE threads.

    If you couldn't get a job- and had no choice but to start with nothing but a laptop and the seat of a car and no wi-fi- barring the ability to piggyback off of other connections- what would you do to generate an income on the internet.

    Digital information products to start with (clickbank, jvzoo). Create
    a landing page to redirect to the products url
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
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    If you couldn't get a job and had to start from 0
    I've done it before.

    I am creative and multi-talented, so it's not an issue.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      I've done it before.

      I am creative and multi-talented, so it's not an issue.
      I'm thinking, guitar and piano lessons
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  • Profile picture of the author PBScott
    How would you eat? $0 is too little to do anything with except to become a criminal or a beggar, maybe there is a list of the best beggar signs on the internet that I could plagiarize and maybe make enough money to get some food ?

    At 0$ you cant even set up your own hosting account.

    Maybe if I could steal a camera somewhere, I would set up a YouTube account of me trying to live in my car, and maybe the odd bank robbery.

    Is Bum Fights still around ? Guess I would be able to Google it.

    I will do your homework for you on fiverr for $5 for a bonus $10 I will get you a passing mark on it.

    Really the point where you drop below $500 dollars and have no credit, is the end of all hope for a better future.
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    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
      Originally Posted by PBScott View Post

      Really the point where you drop below $500 dollars and have no credit, is the end of all hope for a better future.
      I guess 90 percent of children, pre-teens, and teenagers are in trouble.

      Zodiax take a job it is so easy to not take any steps toward IM. It is easy to drink coffee or hangout online then to dig into Internet Marketing. Once the bills start coming in that you can longer pay, the stress levels begin to rise. Find something even part time to help pay bills. Then to jump into the IM world to make a quick buck. Good luck!
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

        I guess 90 percent of children, pre-teens, and teenagers are in trouble.

        Zodiax take a job it is so easy to not take any steps toward IM. It is easy to drink coffee or hangout online then to dig into Internet Marketing. Once the bills start coming in that you can longer pay, the stress levels begin to rise. Find something even part time to help pay bills. Then to jump into the IM world to make a quick buck. Good luck!
        From comments he's posted on this thread, it doesn't sound like getting a job is a problem. Keeping a job is the problem.

        His comments about employer expectations and politics tell me that, if he's like the young ones I used to manage, those expectations are things like showing up on time, following a dress code, working hard even if the task isn't glamorous, etc. "Politics" is usually code for another employee (one that can follow expectations) gets favorable treatment. If that's true, he's going to get a rude shock when he finds that customers also have expectations.

        Right now, it sounds like he can fall back on the "Bank of Mom and Dad" to keep the wolves at bay while he pursues fantasies of the "laptop lifestyle".
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  • Profile picture of the author sj1976
    I am actually in this exact position, And am trying to figure it out, I will let you know when I do, and no this is not a joke. I have no electric or heat no internet, I lost my kids and soon the water will be off, oh and no car. But I will figure out a way.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Originally Posted by sj1976 View Post

      I am actually in this exact position, And am trying to figure it out, I will let you know when I do, and no this is not a joke. I have no electric or heat no internet, I lost my kids and soon the water will be off, oh and no car. But I will figure out a way.
      You are in the best position ever.

      No responsibilities and nothing to lose.

      I still have things to lose.

      Good luck man. I am sorry about the kids- I don't have any so I don't know the emotional pain that you are going through because of this.
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  • Profile picture of the author mahedi
    I want a job but i can not get because everyone wants experience but how can i get experience if i can not start.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxsi
    Mailing list is very important (your subscribers)

    Brokerage is a powerful way to make money without a budget ($$$$), it works without advertising
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
    When you find yourself in a scenario where your focus is you and your personal dilemma that is exactly the time to place all your focus on how YOU can help OTHERS get what THEY want.

    It works every time. Meditate on the people around you and how you can help make their lives easier and a plan will take shape.. You will be rewarded for the focus you placed on helping others.

    For example,

    Help another marketer make sales.

    That marketer will certainly take time to help you do that..
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  • Profile picture of the author yetdomains
    Just keep control on brakes bcz its the perfect time you hit some riches.... why keep a lap and car seat just sell them too.
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  • Profile picture of the author zaralockwood
    Library for free web access, foodbank, if you are desparate with no food (that's your belly and web connection sorted) Then buy a cheap cell / mobile phone - join survey sites - Do phone survey's - you can earn $45 bucks for telling somebody why you like one brand of coffee (or other product) over another - once you have that sorted - sell stuff on auction sites (people like collections of things - even junk - free to collector = no capital outlay if you walk there to get it, then resale it) and in online classifieds. If you really can't cope with a full time job, try part time, away from public, school / cinema cleaners don't usually have a creep watching over them for long- or in high turnover jobs like cleaners, you can become the creep when yours quits within 6 months :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Isaiah Jackson
    Craiglist.

    Garage Sales.

    Thrift Stores.

    Flip the items using eBay.

    Drop shipping if I have too.

    Or begin selling services to different business.

    Mobile optimize websites, social media services, reputation management and things of that nature.

    Isaiah
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  • Profile picture of the author serviskerek
    usemailchimp and other free method to drive traiffic n build list
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  • Profile picture of the author greatwriter
    The stark contrast between the OP's question and his signature
    struck me, I just had to check out that signature link and Oh Boy!
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  • Profile picture of the author syoksore
    i will start building my email list
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  • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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    I would sign up on platforms such as freelancer and fiverr and provide services i am good at...
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  • Profile picture of the author tich
    Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

    I know, I know another one of THESE threads.

    If you couldn't get a job- and had no choice but to start with nothing but a laptop and the seat of a car and no wi-fi- barring the ability to piggyback off of other connections- what would you do to generate an income on the internet.
    Sell the car and focus on finding things you can buy offline and sell online for a profit
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  • Profile picture of the author maxsi
    resell other people products is pretty easy, they want you (affiliate products or not)
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  • Profile picture of the author jaysolution
    Hey, that's how I started back in December 2016. Created an easily duplicated item. Paid $12 for a domain name and 1-year of web hosting. Used a Google Adwords coupon. My YTD can be seen @ Here. It's not going to make me rich, but when I was sleeping in the back of my SUV in northeastern Ohio in the dead of winter it was all I could come up with. The hardest thing was sticking with the plan, and believing it would work.
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  • Profile picture of the author David45
    I started by writing comments to the films.At the same time attending courses in web design
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  • Profile picture of the author maxsi
    you can create a Brand on FB (other social media too) without money

    you can have massive traffic for zero $$$$ today, so you leverage your brand
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    • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
      Originally Posted by maxsi View Post

      you can create a Brand on FB (other social media too) without money

      you can have massive traffic for zero $$$$ today, so you leverage your brand
      Whizz-bang plan...Then you can sell your "brand" to facebook or Google for BILLIONS!
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      • Profile picture of the author OliviasDad
        Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

        Whizz-bang plan...Then you can sell your "brand" to facebook or Google for BILLIONS!
        Does anyone have the link to the WSO?
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    Hmm.. Zero. No food money. Nothing?

    I have been close but I have never been at zero.

    Maybe throw myself off a tall building?
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  • Profile picture of the author Howlerckc
    Just because you build your brand, does not mean the traffic will come, especially MASSIVE Traffic. You have to advertise for that, or show some skin!
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  • Profile picture of the author paulpower
    Yes it's the following link:

    LostMyMarbles.com

    Is cheap at just two wampum.
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  • Profile picture of the author ClarkT
    Good Question;

    I'd probably try to get a loan or something from a friend for seed money to take an online course through Udemy or virtually anywhere else to get an understanding,

    I'm the guy that likes to have a pretty good grasp on what I'm doing and start out of fun instead of desperation
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

      Hmm.. Zero. No food money. Nothing?

      I have been close but I have never been at zero.

      Maybe throw myself off a tall building?
      Better to wait until Christmas and throw yourself off a bridge. A wingless angel will surely scoop you up and make everything better.

      It worked for Jimmy Stewart. Why not you?

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      • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Better to wait until Christmas and throw yourself off a bridge. A wingless angel will surely scoop you up and make everything better.

        It worked for Jimmy Stewart. Why not you?


        Man, i nearly choked on my breakfast. Deserves 3 x
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnVianny
    If you dont have job, maybe you have TIME to learn new skills and
    to sell these skills in:

    fiverr, upwork, peopleperhour etc...

    BUT the best way is FIND a REAL job in order to have enough money to
    invest in online business and ESCALATE the earnings.
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  • Profile picture of the author BigMike56
    I had a friend that did this.

    He went to the library every day with his laptop and went to EVERY website he could find that had free programming tutorials.

    Once he learned all that he could, he went down to the temp agency and listed all the programming/web stuff that he learned.

    He ended up with some small gig at 10 bucks an hour that was temporary, but now he is working in IT full time.

    Just a suggestion.
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  • Profile picture of the author reachintan
    Although I have came across many ways online, the best one in my opinion is buying a good website on Flippa, with nice URL and established traffic. Then, start working on providing valuable content through it. I have done so quite recently, and started seeing instant results.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Dig up 1.00 in change out from under your seat or something, go to a Mcdonalds and order a coffee, get onto their wifi. Get on Facebook and start letting all of your friends know that you are in dire straits, and secure a place to stay for a couple of weeks. Settle in, get calm , and make a solid plan when you aren't in such a desperate mindset.


    Surely someone loves you enough to not let you live in a car, and would try to help you get up.
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