I feel so depressed after this experience

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It took me quite sometime to create an info product, design banners, design the site, got reviews and everything that was required to launch. But I was so dissappointed to see that I did not make a dime even though I had as many as 30 affiliates sign up to promote my product via Jvzoo. Most of them with good record and sales.

Yet I did not make a sale. I have my site done to the best i can. I feel so depressed was looking forward to making some good sales and do something good with my life. facing so much debt now. Dont know what to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author webmarke
    The first thing you need to do is figure out why you did not produce any sales.

    You need to figure out if you got no sales because of...

    A lack of traffic?
    Sales copy that does not convert?
    A niche that does not sell well?

    Once you figured out what of these contributed to you lack of sales, then you can figure what you need to do to fix the problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author maxdosh
      Originally Posted by webmarke View Post

      The first thing you need to do is figure out why you did not produce any sales.

      You need to figure out if you got no sales because of...

      A lack of traffic?
      Sales copy that does not convert?
      A niche that does not sell well?

      Once you figured out what of these contributed to you lack of sales, then you can figure what you need to do to fix the problem.
      Well the niche I tried selling to is the SEO niche. It was about how to create high quality backlinks. Traffic poured in a lot over the few days after the launch. But no sales.


      Someone said it was because my products were mainly ebooks. That I needed to sell videos or softwares because people are a lot lazy to read nowadays. Dont know how true that is

      I have sent you a PM with the website address so you can look it up and tell me what you think
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by maxdosh View Post

        Well the niche I tried selling to is the SEO niche. It was about how to create high quality backlinks. Traffic poured in a lot over the few days after the launch. But no sales.


        Someone said it was because my products were mainly ebooks. That I needed to sell videos or softwares because people are a lot lazy to read nowadays. Dont know how true that is

        I have sent you a PM with the website address so you can look it up and tell me what you think
        E-books still do relatively well ( if priced right) especially with help of Amazon and getting people back to reading

        Of course having a Combo imo is ideal!


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      • Profile picture of the author aymbrbr
        Originally Posted by maxdosh View Post

        Well the niche I tried selling to is the SEO niche. It was about how to create high quality backlinks. Traffic poured in a lot over the few days after the launch. But no sales.


        Someone said it was because my products were mainly ebooks. That I needed to sell videos or softwares because people are a lot lazy to read nowadays. Dont know how true that is

        I have sent you a PM with the website address so you can look it up and tell me what you think
        Could you please PM me your website. I'd like to have a look.

        Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Eric Cho
        Originally Posted by maxdosh View Post

        Well the niche I tried selling to is the SEO niche. It was about how to create high quality backlinks. Traffic poured in a lot over the few days after the launch. But no sales.


        Someone said it was because my products were mainly ebooks. That I needed to sell videos or softwares because people are a lot lazy to read nowadays. Dont know how true that is

        I have sent you a PM with the website address so you can look it up and tell me what you think
        Maxdosh - you were selling the features instead of the benefits.

        People dont want a drill, they want a hole.

        meaning sell what your client is looking for. More money is a good go-to. and you can connect the dots. Take a look at the top SEO product right now. It's almost confusing what they sell, because they talk about harnessing lighting, flashing lamborghinis, and reinforcing living your dreamlifestyle. oh yeah, they do that by teaching you how to create a massive income-generating business from SEO.... make sense?

        to be honest, no body in their right mind wants to learn SEO, (I do SEO myself and have taught it to clients and consulted other brands on their overall strategy) its boring, monotonous and there a lots of better ways to make money. However, almost every business wants more clients, more exposure, more visibility, more calls = more opportunities.

        "Nobody likes to be sold, but everyone likes to buy"
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  • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
    Originally Posted by maxdosh View Post

    It took me quite sometime to create an info product, design banners, design the site, got reviews and everything that was required to launch. But I was so dissappointed to see that I did not make a dime even though I had as many as 30 affiliates sign up to promote my product via Jvzoo. Most of them with good record and sales.

    Yet I did not make a sale. I have my site done to the best i can. I feel so depressed was looking forward to making some good sales and do something good with my life. facing so much debt now. Dont know what to do.
    Well, the best thing to do is keep failing until you get lucky.
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    • Profile picture of the author kendido
      Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

      Well, the best thing to do is keep failing until you get lucky.
      Lucky? If the successful sellers here rely on luck, then this forum would have closed up long ago. I think it is more than that. Maybe he should let us see the thread of his WSO so that we can perhaps see what is wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Killian
    As already mentioned, how much traffic did you get to your salespage? Maybe you did not get enough to make sales.

    Did the affiliates drive any traffic? Course as you probably know, most affiliates do make many sales. Not being negative, just reality.

    Seems odd if you got traffic and made no sales. Did you test the sales system to make sure it worked?
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  • Profile picture of the author ydsimple
    There is a good technique to release stress, cause when you are in stress you cant think clearly. You wanna go and do some exercise, no I am not kidding :-) . Fitness or any sport activity reduce stress and make your mind stronger. And then keep making efforts until you will succeed. Maybe you need some high quality traffic to make sales, for that buy solo ads. Or contact successful vendors in same niche and offer them affiliate program. That works! Cheers. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author GetPLRhere
    We don't know what your info product is but products that do sell well on JVZoo are geared towards the internet marketing community. And even if you have an internet marketing product, there's no guaranteed either because there's just so many of the same products already.

    It seems like the best selling products on JVZoo are software.

    Info products works well here on WSO, perhaps you can give it a try on the Warrior Forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by maxdosh View Post

    Yet I did not make a sale.

    Maxdosh,

    Did you validate your product in the marketplace prior to your launch?

    I'm talking about market research to confirm that indeed, people in the niche are asking for this type of product. Too often products are created but they don't answer any kind of real demand in the everyday marketplace.

    Another possibility is that your copywriting in the offer is not compelling. You should have copy that drives people to your buy button. If there is no immediate or urgent reason for someone to purchase . . . they probably won't - at least not right now.

    Another possibility is that there are already good, reasonably priced products on the market. Since you are new, others are ahead of you and already established. Is your product superior in some way? Have you shown your prospects why you have the best product for the money?

    Does your offer contain social proof? Testimonials from satisfied users that your product is the best thing since sliced bread?

    Have you removed all the risk from the buyer? Money back guarantee? Trusted financial transaction software ? Secure site and ordering forms?

    Now is not the time to give up. As a marketer, your job is to figure out what went wrong and fix it. You do that by testing and tracking and possibly getting help from a seasoned marketer in your niche. You only lose when you stop trying.

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  • Profile picture of the author oppyeaunome
    I don't think that it was because your product was an ebook because people still read a lot especially if you write in a way that will entices them to read.

    How high quality was your product? Was it information that is rehashed? Does it really help them?

    Online Marketing is all about putting people first

    How many products have you launched before this one? Take some time and look at everything that you've done. Look at your traffic stats and see where it is that you can improve. How effect was your sales copy? Did it make them want to buy your product? Did you write it? Can a professional do it the next time around?

    I must say that the best thing that you've done is you took action and you actually did something.

    You are way ahead of a lot of people. Take a step back and don't be depressed be happy that you actually took action.

    Now figure out what needs to be improved and get to work and launch again! Its only through failing that we will become successful.

    Take care

    Keep working!
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by maxdosh View Post

    It took me quite sometime to create an info product, design banners, design the site, got reviews and everything that was required to launch. But I was so dissappointed to see that I did not make a dime even though I had as many as 30 affiliates sign up to promote my product via Jvzoo. Most of them with good record and sales.

    Yet I did not make a sale. I have my site done to the best i can. I feel so depressed was looking forward to making some good sales and do something good with my life. facing so much debt now. Dont know what to do.
    It's not the end of the world. Believe it or not, 30 affiliates isn't a lot, and how much money have you spent on paid advertising? Are you generating leads, doing email marketing, have good content? Get back on the horse and try again, and boost your traffic dramatically with paid advertising, and make sure you create a funnel system to convert your leads into customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Without seeing the actual offer, you may have made the mistake of offering people what they need rather than what they want.

    You product is about how to get quality backlinks. What people really want, based on a quick look at the subject lines on the first couple of pages of the SEO section, is tricks, push-button tools, loopholes, sneaky tricks, spam tools and more no-work, no-cost methods.

    You had 30 affiliates sign up. I wonder how many of them did anything to actually promote your launch. Slapping a banner on a blog with no traffic or sending a single email in a stream of other promotions isn't likely to yield much.

    Your launch flopped. It happens. Take a day or so and throw yourself a grand old pity party. I mean it - spend a full 24 hours wallowing in misery. By the end of that 24 hours, if you have the right stuff, you'll be sick of yourself and ready to get back to work.

    As I told another marketer, if you throw a launch and nobody comes, did you really "launch"? Did you collect any of the emails from visitors? If so, get humble and flat out ask them why they didn't buy. Let them answer by replying to the email, and provide a feedback form for those who would prefer to remain anonymous. Contact your affiliates if you can and ask them for a post mortem.

    Then retool and relaunch.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cisco120
      I could not have said it better. The Need vs. Want factor is not a thin line. People will always drive towards what they want, but hesitate going for what they need. Did you write compellingly? What I mean is, instead of saying "buy now!" A much better approach would be "I used this product myself, and so far, it's been a great investment because what I learned help me build a better website in only 3 days. Using the tools and strategies (author name) created for me really helped me realize my SEO sucked, and I needed to revamp. But with a little work, I got it done. Thanks (author name). If you're on the fence, jump to the other side! This (course name) was a definite home run. Get it here."

      Something like that speaks to people more. They want to know someone else bought it, used it, and it worked. As others have said, did the sales page make sense? Did the sales funnel work? Did the links properly go back to the platform?

      You did something. That's incredible. Most people to get to where you are. You've launched a product! That takes time and dedication. You've also poured your heart and soul into it. There are no mistakes. You either make great decisions, or you learn valuable lessons. This. Was. A. Valuable lesson. Learn from this, apply, refine, track.

      Update us. Let us know what you've found out.


      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      Without seeing the actual offer, you may have made the mistake of offering people what they need rather than what they want.

      You product is about how to get quality backlinks. What people really want, based on a quick look at the subject lines on the first couple of pages of the SEO section, is tricks, push-button tools, loopholes, sneaky tricks, spam tools and more no-work, no-cost methods.

      You had 30 affiliates sign up. I wonder how many of them did anything to actually promote your launch. Slapping a banner on a blog with no traffic or sending a single email in a stream of other promotions isn't likely to yield much.

      Your launch flopped. It happens. Take a day or so and throw yourself a grand old pity party. I mean it - spend a full 24 hours wallowing in misery. By the end of that 24 hours, if you have the right stuff, you'll be sick of yourself and ready to get back to work.

      As I told another marketer, if you throw a launch and nobody comes, did you really "launch"? Did you collect any of the emails from visitors? If so, get humble and flat out ask them why they didn't buy. Let them answer by replying to the email, and provide a feedback form for those who would prefer to remain anonymous. Contact your affiliates if you can and ask them for a post mortem.

      Then retool and relaunch.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheGMa
    Good show, John.

    What John said, Maxdosh. Yeah, putting together a launch can be scary, but you can always do it all over again. Really - it's done all the time. Hell, it's even planned: launch in the Spring, then re-launch the same product in Winter with some revamps, more bonuses, and maybe a different upsell or downsell and back end high ticket offer.

    Even though it appears you've done a good job of setting up for this launch, over the next few days study Sales Funnels, capturing leads, selling PLR's, setting up immediate email campaigns and follow ups, finding killer back end high ticket items. You may see something you missed this last time that will make all the difference in the world.

    Once you're all set up again, try the WSO route, ask plenty of questions in the forum, make sure you've prepared a well-oiled campaign.

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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    is tricks, push-button tools, loopholes, sneaky tricks, spam tools and more no-work, no-cost methods.
    It's sad, but hypey nonsense sells better than rock-solid step-by-step tutorials.

    That's a comment on the buying market, as smart sellers give people what they want.
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    • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      It's sad, but hypey nonsense sells better than rock-solid step-by-step tutorials.

      That's a comment on the buying market, as smart sellers give people what they want.
      So you make it out to be hypey nonsense, then deliver something that fulfills the hype in a useful way.

      And since it's useful, it'll probably get refunded
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      It's sad, but hypey nonsense sells better than rock-solid step-by-step tutorials.

      That's a comment on the buying market, as smart sellers give people what they want.
      Wow, I knew you were a SMART man, but this is the comment of the day.

      Lots of money has been made from your 2 simple sentences mate.

      Having a list of freebie seekers, and a list of buyers comes into as well.

      I mean a list of BUYERS is much better than a list of FREEBIE seekers...

      However you hit the nail on the head.

      Ever seen how FRANK kern does this. He will actually ask you what you are into, and then give you a whole sales page, triggered, and customized to what you said.

      Its crazy and a lot of work, but can make you a truck load of money as you are laser targeting offers to the type of people on your list are.
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  • Profile picture of the author 3wCorner
    It is inevitable. But don't worry friend, next time you will be successful. Try and try until you succeed. Have a solid market research first then do a marketing plan and a business plan if the product is feasible or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Here are two "positives" for you:

    1- Now you have experience seeing the reality of IM. Sometimes launches and products flop! It happens to everyone and is typically more prone to happen to newbies than the more experienced (although it happens to veterans all the time too.)

    2- Now you know what doesn't work! You're one step closer to finding what does work. I'm serious - this can be a positive thing in the long run. You're going to have to adjust your strategies and learn how to turn a tanked campaign into something that works. Knowing what to test, how to be more precise, what to do differently . . . all those things will serve you well in the future.

    Keep at it!

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    • Profile picture of the author CaRTmAnBrAh
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      Here are two "positives" for you:

      2- Now you know what doesn't work! You're one step closer to finding what does work. I'm serious - this can be a positive thing in the long run. You're going to have to adjust your strategies and learn how to turn a tanked campaign into something that works. Knowing what to test, how to be more precise, what to do differently . . . all those things will serve you well in the future.

      Keep at it!

      Steve
      erm, the guy is now in the poor house and in debt due to the failed venture. There are no positive heres. Should he try and feed himself and his family off your words at the dinner table tonight?
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      • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
        Originally Posted by CaRTmAnBrAh View Post

        erm, the guy is now in the poor house and in debt due to the failed venture. There are no positive heres. Should he try and feed himself and his family off your words at the dinner table tonight?
        Yes.

        You must have faith.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by CaRTmAnBrAh View Post

        erm, the guy is now in the poor house and in debt due to the failed venture. There are no positive heres. Should he try and feed himself and his family off your words at the dinner table tonight?
        Would you rather he just give up and curl up in a corner? That ain't putting bread on the table, either.
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        • Profile picture of the author CaRTmAnBrAh
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          Would you rather he just give up and curl up in a corner? That ain't putting bread on the table, either.
          You're avoiding the point buddy. He's in DEBT. It is TERRIBLE advice to encourage people in debt to spend money on business ventures especially internet marketing ventures with zero guarantee than to pay down on the debt.

          This is the problem with wishy washy nonsense that gets spouted on here. How many people do you know that have failed to make money online, taken a big hit on a failed venture, got into debt then set up a new venture and it all worked out. It's nonsense. People talk about the myths, the few who have never quit and made it. They don't talk about the millions who never recover.

          Please be more responsible when giving advice warriors.
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            Originally Posted by CaRTmAnBrAh View Post

            You're avoiding the point buddy. He's in DEBT. It is TERRIBLE advice to encourage people in debt to spend money on business ventures especially internet marketing ventures with zero guarantee than to pay down on the debt.

            This is the problem with wishy washy nonsense that gets spouted on here. How many people do you know that have failed to make money online, taken a big hit on a failed venture, got into debt then set up a new venture and it all worked out. It's nonsense. People talk about the myths, the few who have never quit and made it. They don't talk about the millions who never recover.

            Please be more responsible when giving advice warriors.
            Well you are back again ,I thought you would have learnt some lessons cart

            but you still bring the same shi***t man

            I feel you should respect and to be honest you deserve none Mate

            If you have any issues you can PM me
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            • Profile picture of the author CaRTmAnBrAh
              Originally Posted by chyan007 View Post

              Well you are back again ,I thought you would have learnt some lessons cart

              but you still bring the same shi***t man

              I feel you should respect and to be honest you deserve none Mate

              If you have any issues you can PM me
              Exactly which part of my post that you quoted seems incorrect to you?

              I've got to hear this!
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by CaRTmAnBrAh View Post

        You're avoiding the point buddy. He's in DEBT. It is TERRIBLE advice to encourage people in debt to spend money on business ventures especially internet marketing ventures with zero guarantee than to pay down on the debt.

        This is the problem with wishy washy nonsense that gets spouted on here. How many people do you know that have failed to make money online, taken a big hit on a failed venture, got into debt then set up a new venture and it all worked out. It's nonsense. People talk about the myths, the few who have never quit and made it. They don't talk about the millions who never recover.

        Please be more responsible when giving advice warriors.
        Show me where I said he should go further into debt. You told him that there was nothing positive in his situation without going into any more detail. I offered the alternative that you seemed to suggest - that he curl up in a corner and do nothing.

        I do agree with not going in the hole for the purpose of sending good money after bad, but that doesn't mean giving up.

        Having flopped in this launch, the thing to do is a proper postmortem. Following that, revise the plan, make course corrections, and accumulate the means to do things right without having the "burn the boats" pressure to succeed.

        If you'r familiar with Jeff Walker's PLF, this might mean doing a seed launch or internal launch to a home-grown list before attempting the full-blown "get rich overnight" launch again.
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        do you have ideas to start my friend ?
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Hi Max,

    Been there. Know how much this feeling sucks.

    I'd say, revisit your reason WHY you're doing what you're doing online.

    Any time I felt depressed and deflated and disgusted- Triple D's - I was heavily attached to outcomes like money and traffic and subscribers.

    If/when you shift from the heavy outcomes attachment to the "I am doing this mainly for fun attachment", a few things happen.

    1: You'll create products mainly for the joy of creating. The creating is most of your reward. This detaches you from outcomes, helping you enjoy the journey, and also, you won't feel deflated if outcomes don't pop up as you expected, because you'll not be heavily bound to results.

    2: With this higher energy intent, you'll not make the minefield of mistakes that most folks make online. So you'll get sweet results more quickly.

    My deal: I worked my old blog like an animal, struggled to make barely any coin, got no pub, hated the online bit. I attached heavily to outcomes. So my energy was terrible. And I struggled, fought, struggled, and flopped.

    I trashed the old blog and brand, did most stuff online for the fun of doing it, and I created a blog and brand which felt....fun. Followed my passion.

    So when I wasn't raking it in money-wise or reader-wise within the first few weeks, I was cool. No depression. No deflation. But as I detached more from outcomes, my creativity knew no bounds, and I started appearing on well-known blogs....then Virgin Dot Com and Forbes featured me....and I cared about money and traffic even less, and of course, the money and traffic keeps increasing.

    Sit in a quiet room. Forget the practical stuff, because it seems like your debt and rejection are overpowering you. Follow your fun. Pick a niche you feel passionate about, then dwell on content creation methods which feel fun to you.

    All the best; I've been there, so I know how you feel.

    This is the exact point when you can detach some from chasing money or traffic, and, when you can follow a fun-feeling niche, so you can do all the stuff that the rocking online folks do.

    Then, when you have raised your vibe, you'll take successful practical steps, and you'll align with folks who blog from paradise ahem...I mean...with folks who can help you in your niche of choice.

    Signing off from still not sunny NJ.

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  • Profile picture of the author maxdosh
    Thanks a lot guys.

    Some people were asking if I received traffic from the affiliates, the answer is yes.
    The Niche was internet marketing, It was about building high quality backlinks
    Does it have a sales funnel? Yes.

    Maybe I will simply throw the site here so all of you can take a look and tell me where I went wrong

    http://seotutor.me

    And I can also send you a copy of the ebook, if you request it via PM.

    Thanks guys
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Originally Posted by maxdosh View Post

      Maybe I will simply throw the site here so all of you can take a look and tell me where I went wrong

      http://seotutor.me
      You're promising a lot for just $7. My first impression (and I'm in your Market) is that your product isn't all that good for that price. (Just an opinion.)

      Charge what it's worth to people. (Or don't "overpromise" in your Copy.)

      HTH.
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      • Profile picture of the author maxdosh
        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        You're promising a lot for just $7. My first impression (and I'm in your Market) is that your product isn't all that good for that price. (Just an opinion.)

        Charge what it's worth to people. (Or don't "overpromise" in your Copy.)

        HTH.

        It was initially $17 dimesale, but when there were no sales I pulled it down to $7
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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          Originally Posted by maxdosh View Post

          It was initially $17 dimesale, but when there were no sales I pulled it down to $7
          Providing that it's worth it, test your price points. Many times increasing the price actually improves conversion.
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        • Profile picture of the author Univee
          Originally Posted by maxdosh View Post

          It was initially $17 dimesale, but when there were no sales I pulled it down to $7
          I agree, too cheap.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Hey look at it this way... at least you put a whole funnel together, went through the motions, even connected with affiliates (be that a good thing or not, IDK) who may have tried to help you out.

    I just put my free report up on the copywriting thread to get some feedback, spent 3 weeks busting my ass building the site, writing the report, and got slammed hard by a well-known copywritier.

    One guy complimented, but said the "look and feel" was "hypey and internet marketing looking" and should I revise it from a position of authority with a more appealing feel... then it might do well.

    I mean even with all the research in the world... it's up to the "people's court" to weigh its worth, and if it flopped... maybe you need a new angle.

    Sometimes the best way to learn is by finding out first hand (the hard way) - what not to do!

    As John said above , I sat in a deep dark place for about a day, day and 1/2 really, and I'm just now so 'over it' - whereby, I figure "the concept" has a powerful message...maybe I just need to package it differently.

    Either way, you did more then most people will ever do online... you tried, failed. Now, try again!

    It's painfully delicious... not every idea leads to pots o' gold! - But the collective experience usually does, stick with it, the next round you'll be even stronger.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      Hey look at it this way... at least you put a whole funnel together, went through the motions, even connected with affiliates ...
      Good point Art. Kudos to you maxdosh. Look at it like it is (a learning experience) and you will either succeed with your Site or create another one.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexCN
    1. Your headline is an important part of your sales page and your message to
    prospects. You are in the Biz Opp space. Prospects don't want "Secrets to Backlinks" or
    "Rankings to the Roof"

    They want fast cash. And faster cash.

    2. Why are you filling your sales-page with all of those fake earnings screenshots and
    earnings videos?

    Very bad for business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mel Bel
    I took a look at the site and read just about the everything (but I skipped the video testimonials).

    1. It sounds like a sales pitch that is 5-years too late.

    2. You are giving away a bonus software that produces 5000 backlinks (nobody that has been around since the Google slaps are going to think you are credible after seeing that - we all know automated backlinks are a no-no).

    So basically, your offer's potential buyers would likely be absolute newbies only, who are thinking of buying an autoblog (because they never heard of it before and it sounds like an amazing idea).

    3. Your copy doesn't say much. The page is mostly testimonials, both video and text, but it doesn't lead the potential buyer to any convinced conclusion that makes them excited to hit the buy button and get this.

    (The sales page is big, but the amount of copy you have on that page is just not much at all really; It's not complete, and it's not convincing - no USP).
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  • Profile picture of the author Mel Bel
    But I want to encourage you to keep going. You did a lot more than most do. You worked hard and completed something. My first sales page sucked too and I only made 1 sale. It's something we all go through (most of us, anyway). Keep pushing. You'll get better with more attempts and more experience.

    One more thing - my first product only made one sale, but I was able to use it as a bonus incentive for products I started trying to promote as an affiliate, and it ended up making me some decent money that way.

    You have an original product. That's an asset you can use to build a list, offer as a bonus that nobody else can offer, and package with other future products you create.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Some excellent advice here from others.

    Some other things you may want to consider:

    1. Are you making any money online now at all? The reason I ask is that while you have "proof" of earnings on your sales page, you talk here about being in debt and you recently asked about how to make quick money in another thread.

    2. You say you made your first $500 last year on Clickbank using your secrets but a couple months ago you were asking here about how to get SE traffic to a blog. In another post, you were wanting to know how to get traffic to a CPA offer. This creates some doubt about whether you actually know how to get traffic.

    3. You promise your information can rank websites in 2 weeks. You also talk about getting thousands of backlinks fast. Do you have thousands of backlinks? Are you ranking for any meaningful terms at a sufficient rank to prove your backlinks work?

    4. Those folks that found the other pages on your website may have been turned off because the text is almost too small to read but the ads are huge. It gives the appearance of being a spammy site even though it may just be a problem with font size on the text.

    5. While people won't know the quality of your product before they buy, they will pay attention to things like proper English and you have some minor issues in that area. Some folks will equate bad English with a bad product.

    I'm not trying to be negative but helpful.

    Good luck.

    Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      Some excellent advice here from others.

      Some other things you may want to consider:

      1. Are you making any money online now at all? The reason I ask is that while you have "proof" of earnings on your sales page, you talk here about being in debt and you recently asked about how to make quick money in another thread.

      2. You say you made your first $500 last year on Clickbank using your secrets but a couple months ago you were asking here about how to get SE traffic to a blog. In another post, you were wanting to know how to get traffic to a CPA offer. This creates some doubt about whether you actually know how to get traffic
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      I guess this is why he isn't making any money. He doesn't know what he's talking about- and wants to try and rip people off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Chicas
    There have been some important points made on perhaps why your product flopped. Here is my take....

    Why on heaven's does anyone need an ebook from you to learn about backlinks?

    Really, think about this one...

    The internet is littered with so much information on SEO and backlinks, and even though people might not like "Gurus" that put out new SEO information... people learn to use what the gurus say and use it when necessary.

    And a more important point (related to the one above) is that why should anyone listen to you or your sales page offer?

    It's so generic. Just like the topic of backlinks is so generic. If I wanted backlinks I would simply go to Fiverr, or when I wade through all the confusing information on SEO... I usually look up the annoying gurus for the latest... anyways back to this second point....

    You are not a guru. Nobody knows who you are, and on top of that, you don't even attempt to show your persona on your sales page. Your page has a generic video with a generic actor... where is the person behind this latest SEO secrets???

    btw... never use the word "secrets" on anything ever again (ad copy, emails, banners, etc).

    "Backlinks" are so outdated so personally I would never buy an ebook, I'd just go to fiverr to get it done for me, but if I was ever to buy and ebook on backlinks I would want to see someone speaking with authority, and more importantly... show me samples of what you have done in SEO.

    Maybe others think like me when I say...

    I dislike SEO products with a passion.

    Go into a niche that you really love and develop your name and presence.

    Having created and gone through this experience... you have a lot of potential, so I"m sure you'll figure it out. It's just something that you have to work at. We all go through this.

    All the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author gooroo
    Okay, I'm someone who doesn't know much about SEO, especially good backlinks building and I wouldn't think even for a second about buying this, for few reasons.

    1. Very hard sell
    2. Your sale page content feels very unnatural and forced
    3. Too desperate about making sales - you keep decreasing the price and therefore value of the product, at least what you believe it's worth.

    And last but not least important:
    4. There is bunch of SEO stuff already out there, content marketing, backlinks, guest blogging - anything you can think of that has to do with SEO, there will free, amazing courses on that topic, if I felt like I want some premium guide on building backlinks, I wouldn't look for a 7$ product. The price and the way your ebook has been presented just doesn't make me feel like I have a very high quality guide in front of me.
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  • Profile picture of the author tukuro
    can wee see your sales page bro ...maybe from there we can identify weaknesses


    maybe u should read this bro
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  • Profile picture of the author basteluna
    Just check all the possible source of your problem.

    See where you went wrong. Just know that everything happens for a reason.

    You'll get through it. Just be patient.
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  • Profile picture of the author vanlamvl2016
    In my point, you should take a look at your site first. How about your SEO campaign? Content? Is it interesting enough?
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  • Profile picture of the author Tmill
    Sorry to hear about your experience and depression. Trying to make money online was the same for me when I started. Pouring so much time, effort and your hard earned money into something and having it fail is a horrible feeling, but most people do fail their first few times online. Learn from your mistakes and keep altering until you start seeing some results, and then build on those results and scale up.

    The SEO niche is very bloated as well. I created an ebook on internet marketing and SEO in 2010 and I had the same result. Only got a couple sales and lost a bunch of money and time. Don't be depressed though! You still have a product that has value. You could easily set up a blog and give the ebook away for free in exchange for email subscription or social share.

    If you build a list from your current product and people liked it, then the next time you release a product, you already have a list of people to promote to that know who you are and trust you. Maybe do a video course instead of ebook and preview some of the content before they purchase.

    There are literally thousands of internet marketing products out there and chances are most of your traffic has had bad experience with these in the past. I know I have.
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  • Profile picture of the author chedet
    SEO is ok but the competition is way too high

    maybe u should go into PBN
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  • Profile picture of the author T S Chan
    If you have lots of debts, better get a steady job first.

    Then work part time to build your online business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Timmo7890
    I can sympathise with this. It's not an easy ride for most affiliate marketers and not everyone makes it work for them. I agree with T S Chan - get a steady job and think of your affiliate business as a hobby until it starts to pay. Work it part time around a steady job to pay of your debts.
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    Lots of empathy! We've all been there... the only way is up!

    Lots of things can help.

    1.) 20 products at a price point does not imply scarcity. IF you're going to use a dimesale, increase the price every sale or 2.

    2.) A review that reads "This is an amazing product. I wonder why I didn't get this information all the time. 5 stars" screams FAKE!

    3.) Did you join all the JV groups on FB so folks knew who you are/what you are making?

    4.) Did you reach out to power affiliates with what you have to offer?

    5.) I'm assuming you offered 100% on a $7 product... Are there upsells that would make affiliates money?

    That's just off the top of my head ideas. Feel free to PM me a review copy and I'll check it out.

    Hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
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    Originally Posted by maxdosh View Post

    It took me quite sometime to create an info product, design banners, design the site, got reviews and everything that was required to launch. But I was so dissappointed to see that I did not make a dime even though I had as many as 30 affiliates sign up to promote my product via Jvzoo. Most of them with good record and sales.

    Yet I did not make a sale. I have my site done to the best i can. I feel so depressed was looking forward to making some good sales and do something good with my life. facing so much debt now. Dont know what to do.
    My friend you have an asset. Treat it like one.

    Affiliates and marketplace has to be considered the gravy if you do not already have a mailing list you really can not depend on them.

    But let's discuss what you do have.

    A fully packaged ready to go product that maybe someone else could purchase Master Rights to and promote it under their own brand.

    You could bring another Marketer in as a 50/50 partner that has strengths where you may have weakness.

    I once sold a product for 30 days, made about $5000 then sold the rights to it on Flippa and made another $2500 cash.

    You could sell your fully packaged product on eBay, maybe here to another Warrior, also several places online if you give it a try.

    You could even add to your product with upsells to make it even more attractive.

    Just some intial thoughts I wanted to share.

    You do not need any quiet room my friend.we are marketers...market that thing brother!


    -Art
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    • Profile picture of the author WarWizard
      Talking about backlinks that openly in 2016 is going to result in what Todd Brown and other top marketers call 'mental opt out'.

      You may want to watch and learn about creating offers from one of the masters -> (for FREE)

      All the best, you have a product, you can always tweak the offer and position it with the right angle that the market would be interested in.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by maxdosh View Post

    Thanks a lot guys.

    Some people were asking if I received traffic from the affiliates, the answer is yes.
    The Niche was internet marketing, It was about building high quality backlinks
    Does it have a sales funnel? Yes.

    Maybe I will simply throw the site here so all of you can take a look and tell me where I went wrong

    http://seotutor.me

    And I can also send you a copy of the ebook, if you request it via PM.

    Thanks guys
    I take back what I said earlier about offering people what they needed instead of what they want. You definitely spiked the hype meter on this one.

    Abundant testimonials are fine, but pretty much all of these read like the "I'll trade a free copy for a testimonial" phony testimonials. Lots of "this is cool" fluff, but no one saying "I used it and got results".

    Kill the "proof of income" shots. They create a disconnect. While the ultimate goal might be more money, your product is about links and rankings. The results you show should be congruent with that premise. If you have to use screen shots, use SERPS and link lists, or a before and after of inbound links. Give them something they can verify if they wanted to. This makes sense, while a few relatively small income shots with no other facts could be luck, but most people in this market will assume you faked them.

    On to the "bonuses", which offer the same info you already promised for the main product. Except for the software, which has already been pointed out as either outdated or the exact risky behavior you warn against in your little video. I'd also lose the "value" buttons attached to the bonuses. I know you want to build value, but this hasn't been the way to do it for years, unless it's something that you have actually sold for the prices listed.

    As for the "dime sale", it smells desperate. There's no "reason why" other than one vague statement about making it accessible. There's no time limit just the old lame "the price might be higher next time you look."

    I'm guessing you did the sales letter yourself. If so, it's a respectable first effort even if the promotion flopped. If you have the cojones, put on your asbestos underwear and your romex suit and post a request for help in the Copywriting section. As Art said, you may get torn to shreds, but don't take it personally. You should end up with a sales page that makes you some money, and success goes a long way to treating bruised feelings.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
    Honestly I think the best shot at succeeding with product creation is to give up.

    I know, I know.

    But there is more than one way to skin a cat. Product creation is not the only way to make money- and the most successful product creators are those made by people who are established.

    You aren't even ranking websites or making money yourself, as Mark kindly pointed out a few posts above- so why are you trying to sell a product teaching someone to do something you don't even know how to do.

    If you knew what you were doing, you would have created a proven track record of ranking websites and grown a following over a period of a half a decade-or-so like everyone else and than created your product. I guarantee if you did this- you would have had tons of sales flowing in because everyone would trust you.

    There is nothing that separates you from the garbage offers people get on a daily basis in their inbox.
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  • Profile picture of the author repoh
    so are you creating new product now ?
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Did these affiliates send you traffic or not. If they did and you did not get any sales, maybe you should look at your sales page and hire a copywriter to improve it.

    If no one sent you their traffic, then it is time you market it yourself and then get your customers to become your affiliates.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamescanz
    Originally Posted by maxdosh View Post

    Yet I did not make a sale.
    Without knowing or looking at what you did...

    It's probably because of the offer / hook wasn't good at all.

    I'd recommend checking out some of the best sellers...

    And seeing if you can model (not copy) them for your future launches.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mirabelle Morah
    Take it easy on yourself. Life has ups and downs, we learn from our mistakes
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  • Profile picture of the author john129
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    JohnMcCabe: I am depressed as well.


    It is very hard to make any money online. I came to this forum on the promise that I can find something or buy a WSO that I can use to make money. but its not working.




    You have to understand that it is frustrating and hard not being able to make any money online.


    why there is not something that we can follow and make money online?


    why it has to be hard and complicated?


    Making money online is supposed to be easy. but its very hard.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by john129 View Post

      JohnMcCabe:
      It is very hard to make any money online. I came to this forum on the promise that I can find something or buy a WSO that I can use to make money. but its not working.




      You have to understand that it is frustrating and hard not being able to make any money online.


      why there is not something that we can follow and make money online?


      why it has to be hard and complicated?


      Making money online is supposed to be easy. but its very hard.
      I hear you , man ! I know things in Life in general can be downright frustrating when you see other people have Success and you can't quite get there.

      But I will say do not let anyone tell you this is Easy. It's not. It is a very simple process but just not easy.

      There are little ways to make some extra money. Surveys, Gpt Site like Cashcrate and Fusioncash are examples.

      These are not real business opportunities though but it is a way to make pocket change and it is EASY !

      The full time opportunities just take time to build


      - Robert Andrew
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      • Profile picture of the author john129
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        I don't have any money.


        We are poor.


        I have to feed my family.


        is there anyone who can help me to make money??






        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        I hear you , man ! I know things in Life in general can be downright frustrating when you see other people have Success and you can't quite get there.

        But I will say do not let anyone tell you this is Easy. It's not. It is a very simple process but just not easy.

        There are little ways to make some extra money. Surveys, Gpt Site like Cashcrate and Fusioncash are examples.

        These are not real business opportunities though but it is a way to make pocket change and it is EASY !

        The full time opportunities just take time to build


        - Robert Andrew
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        • Profile picture of the author [RyanMilligan]
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          Originally Posted by john129 View Post

          I don't have any money.


          We are poor.


          I have to feed my family.


          is there anyone who can help me to make money??

          Send me a link to the sales page. I'll take a look at the copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author TrafficFlow
    I think this would have sold very good 3 years ago but these days people don't have the same level of confidence in back link building or don't have the time to do it themselves. I would try relaunching as a PLR and giving away a free chapter for those who sign for your list.

    If that does not work I would set up an SEO blog and consider giving away some of your package in exchange for sign ups and sellong the balance to your list.

    I have a low quality but high traffic SEO blog I bought a few years ago. I have no idea why it gets like 800 visitors a day according to my Stats plugin.

    Send me an affiliate link and I will try putting up an on the site.
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  • Profile picture of the author john129
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    TrafficFlow: Can you help me as well?


    can you put my affiliate link on your blog as well please?
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  • Profile picture of the author majal
    hope you can bounce back bro
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  • Profile picture of the author RS3RS
    Congratulations. You just had your first big failure on the way to success.

    You only fail overall when you give up.

    We read stories all the time about people who suddenly had massive success and made millions. What those stories fail to cover is the dozens (or hundreds) of failed attempts along the way and the countless 3 AM work nights put in to reach that point.

    Don't be like me. I wasted years by getting depressed after my first major product launch that barely did a 10th of the numbers I was expecting. I finally got back on the boat and realized how close I really was if I had just kept grinding away.

    Figure out what went wrong. Check your traffic figures. Critique your sales copy. Validate your target market. Make changes. Find better JV partners. Rebrand and relaunch.

    Depression is a cancer. Put a smile back on, meditate, go for a jog, and then start digging in. Make it happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author flipperhacks
    Props for putting it out here for people to give advice on and critique.

    1. It took my laptop so long to load it, it was kind of frustrating. Page load times have a huge impact on traffic conversions. Try save the images in a different format as to lower their size.

    2. Headline wasn't really enticing. Maybe a video of yourself explaining how good this is and exactly how it would help someone.

    3. Is it your first attempt? I always go in with the mentality that my first 50 attempts at something will fail miserably. It's true for a lot of my business ventures. Once you know the process and have done certain things right things start getting a lot better!
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberdenizen
    Originally Posted by maxdosh View Post

    It took me quite sometime to create an info product, design banners, design the site, got reviews and everything that was required to launch. But I was so dissappointed to see that I did not make a dime even though I had as many as 30 affiliates sign up to promote my product via Jvzoo. Most of them with good record and sales.

    Yet I did not make a sale. I have my site done to the best i can. I feel so depressed was looking forward to making some good sales and do something good with my life. facing so much debt now. Dont know what to do.
    First of all, please stop calling yourself "Internet Dunce." Success begins with a good self-image.

    Is this your first time to sell a product? You can't expect to succeed on your first try. Hey, I sold a WSO almost a couple of years ago. I failed spectacularly, but I learned a lot from my experience. By the way, I'll be launching another product soon.

    Ask yourself, "Why did I fail? What can I learn from this? What can I change to get better results the next time?"

    (Also, I suggest that you do some market research before you launch another product. That's what I neglected to do, so it's not surprising that I failed.)

    See failure as part of success, not as its opposite. Many wildly successful people failed numerous times. But they failed fast and they failed forward. They didn't allow their failures to discourage them.

    Don't let your failures bring you down. Learn from them and move forward!
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  • Profile picture of the author Praveen Ben
    First, you deserve my appreciation.

    The reason is simple.

    You are an action taker, unlike many Internet marketers.

    Coming to your unfortunate experience;

    This is exactly happened in my case also when I launched one of my WSO's

    Like you I have also expressed make pain in one of Facebook groups.

    One gentleman advised me to change the title and first to 3 paragraphs of my sales page.

    I have followed his advice.

    Guess what?

    My product is successful.

    So what is the lesson for you?

    No doubt the quality product is a prerequisite to being successful.

    And however, that critical element is feuding with the market requirement that is where majority product curators will fail.

    Bottom line!

    Spend some time with your target audience and understand their pain points...

    Then fine-tune your product accordingly.

    Hopefully, with some editing, you may be successful.

    I wish all the best.

    Praveenben
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  • Profile picture of the author 800MobileApps
    Most people fail. I have a product on Clickbank and I have made a few sales.. Yea, I lost money but I kept on and found other things that worked for me. I work 100% out of my house now. You can't give up.. Most people think that they launch a product and they are going to make a ton of money.. Truth is, they don't and 99% of the people fail, the first couple of times.. Take a look at what didn't work and make a few changes. Just because you haven't sold anything as of today, doesn't mean you're not going to sell something tomorrow. Make a few changes, lower / raise the price.. And get other people's thoughts.. Good luck, hangin there..
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Originally Posted by maxdosh View Post

    It took me quite sometime to create an info product, design banners, design the site, got reviews and everything that was required to launch. But I was so dissappointed to see that I did not make a dime even though I had as many as 30 affiliates sign up to promote my product via Jvzoo. Most of them with good record and sales.

    Yet I did not make a sale. I have my site done to the best i can. I feel so depressed was looking forward to making some good sales and do something good with my life. facing so much debt now. Dont know what to do.
    Unfortunately this happens, this is not uncommon. It often takes many attempts to find a true winner, not ever product or campaign will be a winner.

    The best way to find success is to keep launching campaigns/products.

    If you can speak with affiliates, ask them for their opinion and challenges they had with your product, it might be harsh to hear but the feedback is important.
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  • Profile picture of the author bunuhkafirharbi
    i hope you will succeed bro
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  • Profile picture of the author RogozRazvan
    This is what usually happens in life.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogozRazvan
    This is what usually happens in life.

    Now you have a choice. You've already put in 90% of the effort. The bulk is there. You can give up or you can just find out what is wrong and fix those things. You may be one headline, one page, one strategy away from success. I think it would be stupid to give up at this point.
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  • Profile picture of the author themikerogers
    The images in you adcopy show you making money on JVzoo and Clickbank. Why not continue doing what is making you money?

    You're earning money which is not what most people are doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Creating a product that no one wants is frustrating, but do not give up. Often, I refer to the 95 - 5 rule that says - 95% of your products bring in only 5% of your income. The lion's share of your profits comes from a few star products that are proven winners. That 5% is what brings in 95% of my money. OK so create more products, pray for a winner, and remember that you need to play to win.

    Here are some strategies to help you:
    • beta testers to find errors
    • many products, not just one
    • entry level products that cost only $1 - trip wire
    • free e-books where you get people excited about your services
    • VERY IMPORTANT!!! What you need are a lot of positive reviews
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  • Profile picture of the author YourIMSpecialist
    Welcome to Internet Marketing my friend
    What you experienced is common, so don't take it too personally. I've had more than my fair share of flops, but the worst thing you could do is give up. You will never make it if you give up now. Keep trudging along, but learn from your mistakes.

    Before launching your product, did you test it with solo ads, or any other traffic source to see how it converts? It may cost money upfront to do this kind of testing, but it will save you money in the long run - not to mention the relationship you have with your affiliates.

    In our rush to get it done and live on the internet, we sometimes overlook very important steps. Dust yourself off, and try again
    hope this helps
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  • Profile picture of the author [RyanMilligan]
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    If the page got a decent amount of warm traffic from reputable affiliates then I'm sorry to tell you but it's your copy. It doesn't convert.

    Scrap it, if you want to make money off the product now then hire a copywriter. If you can wait, I suggest you get over to the copywriting section for the next 6 months.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxdosh
    Hey guys thank you for all your responses. I accept the good, bad and ugly replies as all of them have an atom of truth in them.

    However, this is the 2nd product I have created. I made almost $600 from the product I created last year in the relationship niche. I guess that was just luck. I was hoping I could pull it off again. But I failed.

    I gave people copies for the reviews I placed on the sales page. I guess the key was to have real testimonials. Someone said the best thing to do is give up and thats what i will do. The fact is I am not an authority in the IM niche and I wont claim to be one.

    My best option now is to start a blog and create quality content, grow my list gradually and promote offers. I guess I was looking for a quick way out and that has taught me a lesson.

    Thanks a lot guys for being true.
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  • Profile picture of the author sirtiman
    If your launch not got good feedback, then start to buzz your product to social networks, forums, list building etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    I noticed that you mention that you got 30 affiliates signed up. That's really not that many. 95% of the affiliates on JVZoo and Warrior Plus are absolute punters who will never make one sale.

    You know how many affiliates I have signed up to promote my products on JVZoo? 2130. You know how many actually promote and make sales for me? 12.

    Also, you made a product in an incredibly difficult market. People are already skeptical of anything to do with SEO because every time you turn around Google changes the rules and what was relevant 2 weeks ago might not be relevant now.

    It looks like you have the launch process down. You need to do a lot of research and come with a product that will add value to a person's online business. What's more, you need to make sure that the product you put out WORKS.

    Then, you should check out all of the affiliate contests on JVZoo and Warrior Plus and you should approach the affiliates whose names are always showing up in those results. You will need to give them a review copy of your product, and you will need to offer them healthy commissions. Most vendors nowadays are offering 100% on the FE and then 50% on the upsells. If you want to attract the top affiliates you need to be in line with what the top product sellers are doing.

    The most important thing is that you do not give up. It was your first launch. I don't know of anybody who succeeds with their very first launch. If they do, it just means they got very lucky.

    Another thing you might consider is creating a product and then partnering up with an established vendor. A lot of newbies will offer an experienced and well known vendor a slice of the profits in exchange for them putting their name on the product. BUT, if you want someone well known to put their name on your product, it better be an really excellent product.
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