Do You Really Need A Mentor To Be Successful Online?

by rob21
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I'd like to know your thoughts on this topic. As an internet marketer getting started online, should you find a mentor in your market space (niche) right from the "get go", or should you fail your way to success?
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Hundreds of Threads asking this exact question. Just do a Search.

    A quick answer would be... NO !!.

    Of course it can accelerate your learning curve ( and Success) but not necessary



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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    When I was new, yes a mentor did help me immensely. However your success can only be determined by one person...you and what you are 'willing' to do for yourself. I think you are meaning failing your way forward. Yes you can learn, make mistakes, readjust and keep moving forward.

    Consistency makes all the difference in the world.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Honestly, if given the chance to do it over again, I'd say a mentor or even just an accountability partner (someone who kicks you in your arse and keeps you in-line) is a big help.

    I spent nearly 4 of the 5 years I've been on this forum never having actually spoke to anyone aside an occasional pm message, and just recently having directly spoken to 3-4 people over the phone, changed my entire outlook on the people who are successfully marketing online.

    The downside is, if you don't know what your strengths and weaknesses are or where you want to go first... it could lead you in the wrong direction, or alter your path, so choosing the right mentor or accountability partner(s) only helps if you know; where you want to go or be?

    In short... I was the latter of your question... failing to find success, and even still I cannot blame that on anyone but me!

    All the Best,

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  • Profile picture of the author danieldesai
    Originally Posted by rob21 View Post

    I'd like to know your thoughts on this topic. As an internet marketer getting started online, should you find a mentor in your market space (niche) right from the "get go", or should you fail your way to success?
    You don't need a personal mentor to be successful online.

    However, you can considerably shorten your learning curve if you invest in some sort of training (like a course) that's based on proven methods for doing well with a particular business model.

    Failing your way to success is part of the process but that doesn't mean you shouldn't make things a bit easier on yourself by following an already proven path of success.

    When I got started with Kindle publishing and affiliate marketing, I invested in a few high quality courses, and implemented what I learned.

    However, as a newbie you do NOT need a personal coach or mentor...

    If you lack the discipline to see at least some results with a course, a personal mentor won't fix that.

    Regards,
    Daniel
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  • Profile picture of the author gvidass
    You don't need a personal mentor, because warrior forum is way more than just a mentor itslef...
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by gvidass View Post

      You don't need a personal mentor, because warrior forum is way more than just a mentor itslef...
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  • Profile picture of the author TheMadScientist
    For me I had a mentor/partner when I got started and it really helped. I honestly did not realize the potential in the industry until I met and worked with a respected IMer.
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  • Profile picture of the author zettiniqabis
    maybe it will shorten the learning curve
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  • Profile picture of the author GetPLRhere
    You don't need a mentor or a coach to become successful. You can get most information online and sometimes, through paid courses, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    I think a coach can be helpful in some cases but the problem is most people won't do what they are advised to do and so the only result is the person loses cash.

    Here are a few things to consider to check and see if you are ready for a coach (you=generic you):

    1. Do you know what direction you want to go? If a coach's specialty is marketing live sex streams that may not help you if you want to write Kindle ebooks.

    2. Have you started doing what you want to do? There is enough free and paid information to help anyone get started. A rank beginner that doesn't know an autoresponder from a hole in the ground isn't ready for a coach in my opinion. Someone that has started, has actual website(s) up, actual visitors, actual autoresponder series in place, etc. and then runs into serious issues or wants to take their success to the next level may consider a coach.

    3. Are you able to work on your own and get things done? Some people don't need a coach - they need a boss or a mother telling them every step to take. Most coaches don't stand by your side 24x7. You have to get the work done in a timely manner on your own.

    4. Do you know how the ROIs compare? Let's say you are trying to write Kindle ebooks. A good coach might cost $1000 for x number of calls. What is the potential ROI on that compared to spending the same $1000 on getting x number of new books ready and marketed? What could you do with $1000 of FB ads or solo ads? Once you spend the $1000 on the coach you then have to still spend $x to get the actual marketing done so you are in it for double the money.

    5. As far as the WF goes, there is a lot of good helpful information here. But there are a bunch of things that will cause you to fail, lose, get penalized, get sued, etc. too. Can you tell the difference? If not, you may choose a coach that will get you in trouble. This is one reason beginners aren't suited for coaching in my opinion. They don't know the good from the bad or even how to tell the difference.

    6. One way to see if you are ready for coaching is to pick a "guru", subscribe to their email list, watch all their videos, buy some of their courses, etc. and start doing what they do and teach before investing in their coaching. If you won't follow all their stuff on your own, you probably won't follow it if they charge you a big fee and tell you to do the same stuff that is in the course.

    Lots of times someone picks a guru/coach and isn't willing to do all that is being taught. For example, you want the best email expert to be your coach but aren't willing to follow their advice which is to hit your list 3x a day 7 days a week offering the product of the day/hour because you feel that is too pushy. Yet maybe being pushy is what got them to where they are considered to be an expert. So decide ahead of time what you are and are not willing to do and don't follow anyone you aren't willing to follow 100%. This is why you want to first join their list and visit their sites to get a feel for who they really are and what they really do.

    7. The question comparing getting a coach versus failing is wrong in my opinion because many people that have paid for coaching have failed. The way the question is worded seems to pushing the idea that the only way to fail is to get a coach.

    Hope that helps a little.
    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author heartyy
    If you are not sure what you're entering then you should really get a mentor.

    It's better to have someone to consult whenever you need to.
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  • As a newbie, I would start reading the free (already available) information online. There are a lot of free courses in affiliate marketing. You do not really have to spend your money on a mentor to teach you the basics.
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    What most people don't understand is yes it takes work, but especially in the making money online arena, you will need tools, skills and knowledge and a lot of it! This hole is not 2 feet deep, the making money online area is a million feet deep and always changing. So yes a mentor is important!
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  • Profile picture of the author superowid
    NO. You don't need to have one. Just keep reading, learning & testing!
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  • I think if you want to save massive time and perhaps money (depending on how expensive the mentor is), yeah. Also, a mentor may be able to steer you in a direction you never would have been able to find on your own. A very, very profitable direction. On the other hand, you CAN pick up valuable info from anywhere, even the bonus material at the back end of a WSO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Praveen Ben
    If you are a Zen master, you don't require a mentor.

    But if you are an ordinary person like me you need a mentor.

    Remember your childhood days...

    How much time did you require to learn that damn ABCD, in spite of your Teacher or Mother holding your hand practising writing ABCD?

    That is how we learn things.

    So the point is if we learn under the guidance of a mentor we will be guided, directed, corrected and therefore the scope for mistakes are minimised.

    Learning through a mentor is a process of accelerated learning.

    Without a mentor also you can learn, but it takes a long time before you master the fundamentals of online marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Carlos Jane
    I don't depends on anymore. I always like to handle my journey by ownself. If I don't understand anything just take the google help nothing else.
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
    You absolutely do not.

    I literally stumbled into my first real success online.

    But I have seen successful marketers go to another level and they are not shy to reveal that they were mentored.

    I can name a lot of professionals in many different categories who refer to some sort of specialist coach to achieve specific results.

    We can use leverage from other's experience to save time and reduce a learning curve.

    Art
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  • Profile picture of the author pankja
    Yes as an Internet Marketer I need a mentor.

    By having a mentor there are so many things that we can benefit from.

    1. He takes us by the hand from point A to B. Otherwise as a beginner we don't know where to start? what to start? We get overwhelmed with the so many information out there.

    2. By having mentor we reduce our time to be success online, I mean we can get success in less time rather than wondering here and there. No doubt when we do the things on our own, it takes time to get perfect, but at the same time when we have mentor he tells us the exact proven step-by-step in which we take less time to master it.

    3. By having mentor we commit less mistakes on the way to success because our mentor has already done these mistakes and can easily guide us that don't do the same mistakes which he has already done.

    4. By having mentor we get his proven strategy that is working for him and it comes by experience which he has already.

    5. By having mentor chances of winning and getting success suddenly increased by 90 to 95%.

    6. A mentor keeps us positive all the time because in this internet marketing filed there are times when we don't get any success or see any results we get frustrated and disappointed and at this point our mentor take care of us and understands our situation because he has been in this situation at once may be more.

    7. By having mentor we stand out from the crowd of internet marketers and again our chances are increased to get success.

    8. By having mentor our mentor tells us what are the exact tools we need to get success otherwise as a beginner we wonder here and there and all the we are confused which tools should I go for or which tools for not?

    9. By having mentor we get our clear vision that is very important to have. Otherwise as a beginner we don't have any vision to work on. Just only focusing on surface level vision which is I want to earn money. But there is beyond that we need to have core level vision.

    10. A mentor helps us to identify our core strength and work on that.

    11. A mentor correct us where we are committing mistakes.

    So in my opinion I need mentor to be success online in short period of time without committing many mistakes with positive frame of mind.
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    • Profile picture of the author pawandave
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      Actually, YES or NO. If your gene does not allow to experiment thing and you fear to fail better hire one mentor.

      BUT it is almost not necessary to do so, just browse forum and start reading and implementing(this is important most people only read ) and i am sure one day you will be mentor of other
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  • The unique thing a mentor can do is accelerating your learning phase. But you can also proceed alone, by paying attention to what interests you.

    There are countless resourcesonline to learn, including Warrior Forum, other forums, blogs and websites around the globe. Look for case studies, lessons and once you find someone who transmits value through his posts, stick to it and build up your experience that way.

    See you soon,
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  • Profile picture of the author EPoltrack77
    A mentor is critical to your success! Especially if you tried in the past and haven't succeeded. In anything.

    See there is a proven path to follow and we don't have enough time to figure it out on our own. You need to do what other successful people are doing. They all have mentors! The ones that don't look to other people well they most likely won't travel very far.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrvm1
      It worked for me and in my opinion it's crucial. I mentor others and have been through the ups and downs before which saves them making the same mistakes.
      In conjunction with hard work, dedication, learning and testing this can make the difference between success and failure, as most people fail at this business it's the small difference s like a mentor who make that difference.
      Good luck in your career
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Do you need a mentor to be successful?
    Let me ask you this..

    Do you need someone to teach you how to drive before you drive?
    Do you need someone to teach you how to swim before you swim?
    Do you need someone to teach you how to skydive before you jump out the plane?

    Technically you don't NEED a mentor, but if you pick the right one, chances are it will increase your changes of successful and time to become successful.
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  • Profile picture of the author tokjanggut
    so do you still need a mentor ?
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  • Profile picture of the author fredi
    A mentor can be a great help to get success in online business but it is not always necessary. Enough resources are available all over internet. You just need to find it out. Any business can be started from promoting on Facebook. Facebook is the biggest place where you will be able to get targeted traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author bunuhkafirharbi
    who is the best mentor ?
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by bunuhkafirharbi View Post

      who is the best mentor ?
      What city has the best pizza?

      Cheers. - Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author rob21
      It's not a one size fits all... from the same mentor, people will get more or less value from that same mentor.
      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Junaid khawaja
        You see, in IM it's all about who travels through the learning curve more quickly.

        A mentor, makes this journey a thousand times easier. And quicker too.

        Why?
        Because HE saves you from the mistakes he made.

        Personally, I think we humans are wired to respond to interactions made at a more personal level. A mentor who looks into his mentee eyes, hold his hand and guide him on how to make big bucks -- I can't find a reason why I mentee won't respond to that.

        We all need mentors. We all need someone to lift us up.

        And on a cheeky side: Only a student have some hope to beat his master

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      • Profile picture of the author Vid Yo
        Well...You should have a mentor to minimize hardship and frustrations and to accelerate quickly in your online venture, but I'm not so sure I believe you CAN'T succeed without one. (What is the definition of success, anyway?)

        As a matter of fact, I strongly encourage people to have a mentor to succeed in life, period. You've all heard the old adage...

        You're the average of the 5 people in your circle

        That has a lot to do with finding a great mentor or 2 or 3!
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  • Profile picture of the author ronaldo22
    you must try and never give up
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  • Profile picture of the author ANDREIS
    You can do it on your own but it will take a lot of nerves and a lot of trials and errors before you make it. Having a mentor will also save you 2-3 years of trying to learn and do everything by yourself. To make long story short: Yes, you can do it without mentor but it will be much harder for you personaly and also your family and will also take much more time. Why spend years to learn something that somebody else already knows and can show you right now?
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    I would strongly advise against any paid coach, guru, or mentor.

    especially since many so called guru's teach absolute newbies to create a simple product using plr then upsell to another bigger and better plr product finally ending up selling your mentor and coaching program, and guess where you get that material, you guessed it PLR.

    there is plenty of Free information available here and other places. also some products that focus on the strategy you want to pursue.

    Save your money for now.

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  • Profile picture of the author blogza68
    It will sound rude if I say you Just Google it, all the answers are there. But Let me tell you my own story. I learnt about a new word for me "SEO" some 4 years ago. I researched a lot about it then. One day , i planned to get admission and get a tutor for myself. Those researches helped me arise questions a lot but you know what the problem is, no one guides you well, very few people are selfless and teach you everything they knows. Once the classes got over, i researched and researched a lot. I learnt more from google than the mentor.

    Now i think you are yourself a better mentor than making someone else your mentor. They just give you foundation or lil knowledge and they also asks you too high amount and provides you too less knowledge of what you deserved, and you can get a ocean of knowledge yourself if you practise and search yourself.

    Every paid services are not worthy. There are free resources available everywhere grab them. You might fail once or twice but you also learn from it and you become successful one day. Good Luck,
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  • Profile picture of the author SecuritySam15
    I would agree with the combination yes and no answers. I've learned as much with Google and YouTube as I've paid for but I like the accelerated learning and growth that comes from mentors, coaches or even just accountability partners. The tips, tricks guidance and knowledge they can give you insight on to me are invaluable if you want to speed things up not to mention the additional networking you're able to do through others. But it's not necessary if you're motivated!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by rob21 View Post

    Do You Really Need A Mentor To Be Successful Online?

    Roberto,

    As you have noticed, the answers to your question in the thread are all over the place. Some say mentors are essential, others say you definitely don't need a mentor . . . others are in the middle somewhere.

    The best answer that covers all these Warriors' opinions is: "it all depends"

    Isn't that the same answer to many, many threads in this forum?

    It depends upon the type of person you are . . .
    It depends upon what you want to be successful at . . .
    It depends upon the mentor you choose . . .

    and lots of other variables. Isn't that the way it is with Internet marketing?

    IM is not a "one size fits all" discipline!

    You are different than the next guy. Your niche is different than his niche. Your talent, skills, knowledge, experience and temperament are different than his. Your results are bound to vary!

    Keep it in mind,

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  • Profile picture of the author dyevan
    #YES#YES#YES
    I really believe you can expedite your set up when you have guidance. I started out without a mentor and boy I really regret it. I spent THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS trying different advertisers on the internet to no avail.

    You definitely need a mentor to HELP you through this complicated highway of the internet. It can be less hectic if you have someone to help you along the way so you wont fall in the pit like me.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    The more I read this thread, the question starts to read like;

    Should I be wearing underwear while writing this post?

    Clearly, it boils downto personal preference. To add to what i mentioned early, I DO NOT have a mentor - nor have i had one to date. As Mark Sigletary pointed out above, i have observed, studied, and read several emails, product launch sequences, and really dug deep into what it is that the "successful" marketers are doing?

    Clearly, having had offline businesses, I learned the same way... "watch and learn" and figured out how to find my strengths and weaknesses, whereby, I had surpassed many of my early idols, without every directly seeking their advice...simply just by "watching and learning to apply their tactics, methods, processes, and/or systems" and tweaking it to my own style.

    However, despite still haveing a huge appetite for "tools" and using them as do the "pros" - I do find this arena a offers an overwhelming amount of knowledge (and glimpses of wisdom) - whereby, it's easy for one to get lost in the "awe inspiring" number of paths one can pursue.

    Being my greatest weakness has been "indecision" and choosing one path... I think, meeting others, talking with them, opening up (instead of hiding behind a keyboard) is the essential element I need (personally, maybe not everyone else) - whereby, it makes this more REAL.

    Plus, just having contact with people who understand this shit... and how deep this rabbit hole goes... can be a trail marker or reminder where you've been, what you've learned, and how to find your way back to the start.

    I think there's a lot of 'us' here who forget... where we were when we entered this forum, this path, and this online arena... and in doing so, do not realize "How many people are where we once were when we entered this IM world?"

    In that sense, I feel I need to look forward to those ahead of me, while leaving behind some 'trail markers' for those behind me to find their way...

    So, in short... I think we all need to become mentors, while giving the proper respect to those who guided us, directly or indirectly! (*Meaning, you don't need to have lunch with someone to learn from them, but sometimes...it could help remove the illusions we all carry of those who at first appear way ahead of us!)

    Again, it's all personal preference... and for the record, today, I am wearing underwear, but tomorrow, I may be butt ass naked and writing from a nude beach... if only to loose whatever it is that keeps restricting myself (and others) from achieving the freedom this arena can lead one to find.

    Unfortunately, despite my prior offline disciplines and in owning and operating small businesses successfully, I find IMing far more challenging to stay focused, disciplined, and in-line with the work involved, as it crosses many 'fields of study' and eventually, IMHO will require more than myself to maintain all that it demands to attain/sustain success.

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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Cho
    It depends on your goals.

    "Don't take advice on how to get your Ferrari from someone that's driving a Toyota."

    Also depends on your definition of success. For some this means $1,000,000, for others it means Time and Freedom to do what they want. And it could also just mean $500 per month extra.

    A coach or mentor is great to shorten the feedback cycle. If I knew what I knew now, I would have gotten a mentor as soon as I could, even while in school. And I know from personal experience, instead of taking 5-10 years, I could have gotten the same results in 6-18 months, and much more with the right mentor.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    No you don't need a mentor. All you need is a good course that will teach you everything you need to know to make money online, and then follow the advice given. If you're weak minded and you quit over and over again, then you will go nowhere online. It doesn't matter what you're selling. Believe in yourself, but it sounds like you WANT a mentor to tell you what to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Do you NEED a mentor ("someone who teaches or gives help and advice to a less experienced and often younger person", according to Merriam-Webster)?

    No.

    Can one be helpful, if one can be found? (Notice, I said 'found', not 'hired')

    Sure.

    Outside of IM, where everything has a price tag, a mentor is not hired.

    A coach ("a private teacher who gives someone lessons in a particular subject", again, Merriam-Webster) can be invaluable, and can be hired.

    I was just reading about a football player named Cordarrelle Patterson, a wide receiver for the Minnesota Vikings NFL team. Patterson was a first round draft choice. After an encouraging rookie season, he's pretty much disappeared from the offense.

    The coach arranged for Patterson to be mentored by Micheal Irvin, a Hall of Fame wide receiver. After a 15 minute conversation at the Super Bowl, Patterson decided he didn't need Irvin's help and advice. During the season just past, Patterson caught just two passes.

    Why is this important?

    When an NFL first round draft pick is signed, the contract is for four years, with a team option for a fifth. There is a formula for how much the player earns if his option is picked up.

    Patterson's attitude and lack of development led to the Vikings not picking up that option this week. That potentially cost Patterson ~$5 million. Now he's hired a coach to teach him his job in an effort to salvage his career.

    Okay, so where is this going?

    Fair question.

    My advice:

    If you have the chance to be mentored by someone who has been where you want to go, accept their mentorship. Do not go out with the objective of hiring a "mentor".

    If you need help with specific skills, hire the best coach you can afford to teach you that skill.

    With or without mentors and coaches, though, you still have to get in the game and produce results. The career you save may be your own.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      Do you NEED a mentor ("someone who teaches or gives help and advice to a less experienced and often younger person", according to Merriam-Webster)?

      No.

      Can one be helpful, if one can be found? (Notice, I said 'found', not 'hired')

      Sure.

      Outside of IM, where everything has a price tag, a mentor is not hired.

      A coach ("a private teacher who gives someone lessons in a particular subject", again, Merriam-Webster) can be invaluable, and can be hired.

      I was just reading about a football player named Cordarrelle Patterson, a wide receiver for the Minnesota Vikings NFL team. Patterson was a first round draft choice. After an encouraging rookie season, he's pretty much disappeared from the offense.

      The coach arranged for Patterson to be mentored by Micheal Irvin, a Hall of Fame wide receiver. After a 15 minute conversation at the Super Bowl, Patterson decided he didn't need Irvin's help and advice. During the season just past, Patterson caught just two passes.

      Why is this important?

      When an NFL first round draft pick is signed, the contract is for four years, with a team option for a fifth. There is a formula for how much the player earns if his option is picked up.

      Patterson's attitude and lack of development led to the Vikings not picking up that option this week. That potentially cost Patterson ~$5 million. Now he's hired a coach to teach him his job in an effort to salvage his career.

      Okay, so where is this going?

      Fair question.

      My advice:

      If you have the chance to be mentored by someone who has been where you want to go, accept their mentorship. Do not go out with the objective of hiring a "mentor".

      If you need help with specific skills, hire the best coach you can afford to teach you that skill.

      With or without mentors and coaches, though, you still have to get in the game and produce results. The career you save may be your own.
      I find it highly ironic that a Mentor , one where you can glean all the information from that you will ever need to be successful in IM, is doing Pro Bono work right here in this Thread as we speak

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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      The coach arranged for Patterson to be mentored by Micheal Irvin, a Hall of Fame wide receiver. After a 15 minute conversation at the Super Bowl, Patterson decided he didn't need Irvin's help and advice. During the season just past, Patterson caught just two passes.
      And, just how many precisely would he have caught if he had spent more time with Irvin?

      No one can answer that question. You can believe that it would have been more, but that would be nothing beyond an opinion, based on absolutely nothing.

      There are no guarantees in life or business whether you employ a mentor or not.

      Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        And, just how many precisely would he have caught if he had spent more time with Irvin?

        No one can answer that question. You can believe that it would have been more, but that would be nothing beyond an opinion, based on absolutely nothing.

        There are no guarantees in life or business whether you employ a mentor or not.

        Cheers. - Frank
        No one will ever know for sure, but not spending the time with Irvin was a big factor in the team not picking up the fifth year option on his rookie contract, which would have been worth several million dollars.

        Now Patterson has to fight for his professional life. He's still a talented kick returner, so he won't starve. But the salary difference between a top kick returner and a top wide receiver is huge, meaning that if CP84 can't get his shit together this season, blowing off Irvin could cost him tens of millions of dollars.
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          No one will ever know for sure, but not spending the time with Irvin was a big factor in the team not picking up the fifth year option on his rookie contract, which would have been worth several million dollars.

          Now Patterson has to fight for his professional life. He's still a talented kick returner, so he won't starve. But the salary difference between a top kick returner and a top wide receiver is huge, meaning that if CP84 can't get his shit together this season, blowing off Irvin could cost him tens of millions of dollars.
          That all sounds great, but has absolutely nothing to do with the benefits of an IM coach or mentor. lol

          Cheers. - Frank
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            That all sounds great, but has absolutely nothing to do with the benefits of an IM coach or mentor. lol

            Cheers. - Frank
            Not directly, no.

            But suppose you had a business acquaintance that said, "I've arranged with a friend of mine, [insert guru of your choice] to work with you on their specialty, and it won't cost you anything but your time."

            You skype GOYC, spend a few minutes chatting, and decide you don't need their advice.

            It could cost you a bundle in lost revenue or time.

            Tying things back to the original question, no, you don't NEED a mentor, especially a paid one, to be successful online. On the other hand, if you get the chance to pick the brain of someone who is very successful already at something you want to do, why look a gift horse in the mouth?
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            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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              Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

              On the other hand, if you get the chance to pick the brain of someone who is very successful already at something you want to do, why look a gift horse in the mouth?
              Because in all likelihood, the only thing you will experience is hay breath.

              Do I know everything? No? Do I hope or desire to know everything on any topic? No, not at all.

              If I were interested in what my good friend's guru had to offer me, I would have already searched it out on my own.

              I'm funny that way. :-)

              Cheers. - Frank
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              • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                Because in all likelihood, the only thing you will experience is hay breath.

                Do I know everything? No? Do I hope or desire to know everything on any topic? No, not at all.

                If I were interested in what my good friend's guru had to offer me, I would have already searched it out on my own.

                I'm funny that way. :-)

                Cheers. - Frank
                But then again, you're funny a lot of ways. Remember what the VA said, you're no ordinary narcissist.
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                  Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                  But then again, you're funny a lot of ways. Remember what the VA said, you're no ordinary narcissist.
                  Touché. lol

                  Cheers. - Frank
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                • Profile picture of the author discrat
                  Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                  But then again, you're funny a lot of ways. Remember what the VA said, you're no ordinary narcissist.
                  lol. A different side I haven't seen of you.


                  I like it
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  • Profile picture of the author kirang3333
    for success we don't need mentor but for right direction mentor plays important role
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  • Profile picture of the author Edwin Torres
    Having a mentor will definitely give you an advantage over others. You can ask them questions and have that direct feedback. The downside is mentors are VERY expensive. If you dont have a budget I would pick a 'guru' you really resonate with and purchase all their products. Go through their training and implement EVERYTHING you see.
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  • Profile picture of the author online with me
    I had a mentor for 6 months previously. He is a member here and it looked like he had a good reputation, so I started by purchasing his basic Affiliate Marketing course.

    After a short while, he told me I would need to pay him a fixed amount per month if I wanted his help further. So we struck up a deal and basically, all I got from him for the 6 months were promises and how he is the "best in the business".

    After 6 months I decided that I'd had enough and then realised that I'd made a big mistake. He hides behind a website and doesn't even show his face.

    Despite him telling me constantly that I was doing great, I didn't make a penny, but lost a lot.

    Six months wasted, but lesson learned.

    I now have a great guy helping me who couldn't be more different, he gives me a lot of his time and isn't only interested in getting money out of me.

    So, having a mentor is great, but you have to make sure it's the right one for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author albaser
    It depends how quick you want to succeed. Like a lot of us we have been trying for years to make it without much success. You can be an affiliate for a products where the owners give you good back up and advice along the way
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  • Although it is possible to succeed without one, but you risk loosing time and wasting a lot of money. It is easier to succeed with a mentor, it is even more easier to get a mentor nowadays. It need not be physical contact with the mentor.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxsi
    A mentor with experience is a good thing, especially because market is very hard today....

    pay attention to your choice, some mentors are beginners that have 6 months of experience or less
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  • Profile picture of the author nathangee
    If you are just starting you will really need an advise from the expert.

    But you don't have to depend your success to them. It all depends on you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Isaiah Jackson
    Originally Posted by rob21 View Post

    I'd like to know your thoughts on this topic. As an internet marketer getting started online, should you find a mentor in your market space (niche) right from the "get go", or should you fail your way to success?
    You don't really need one.

    You just need the right course and take action on what's taught and focus on nothing else but what you learn in the course.

    Getting a mentor is like taking a shortcut because you don't have to deal with any fluff at all just get right into the meat and begin getting results.

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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Originally Posted by Isaiah Jackson View Post

      You just need the right course and take action on what's taught and focus on nothing else but what you learn in the course.
      Wrong.

      This is the type of misinformation that keeps newbies spinning their wheels.

      You need the right knowledge- not the right course.

      A course is just a way to learn- not a magic bullet.
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      • Profile picture of the author Isaiah Jackson
        Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

        Wrong.

        This is the type of misinformation that keeps newbies spinning their wheels.

        You need the right knowledge- not the right course.

        A course is just a way to learn- not a magic bullet.
        Well that's what I mean when I said right course.

        Course to learn, which will supply one with the
        knowledge needed to be successful online.

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  • Profile picture of the author DizzST
    I am more for the 'it depends' combination. Having a mentor would definitely shorten your learning curve but I do believe that in order to succeed we must go thru ups and downs to better understand the market. From my view mentor could be of great help if 1) you have budget 2) you fear to fail and 3) you too lazy to make a research and find publicly available information on the internet or even here on warriorforum. Once again its just my subjective opinion.

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  • Profile picture of the author 3wCorner
    I just research on my own and get information as quick as possible given that the content is new and updated. I love trying new ideas on what i read but still lacking of any success from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheQuebecer
    For me I think it's like danieldesai said... You may not need a personal sponsor but having someone who proved to be successful and modeling on how they do it really help. I don't think I wouldn't have any success at all without it... Even if that success is still very little for now....
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  • Profile picture of the author vour1995
    Some people need mentors, while some do not. That's the inevitable truth. No matter the amount of free information available, some people do not know what to do with it until they are shown step by step. So, which one are you?
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  • Profile picture of the author motorkitty
    If that little voice in your head that, when working properly, says "this sounds just too good to be true so I'll avoid it" doesn't speak to you loudly and often, then yes . . . get a mentor. However, if your BS meter is well oiled and tuned up, then really all you need is this forum and lots of studying up. All the knowledge is free and readily available. Your rate of success is directly proportional to how hard you are willing to work. There are no shortcuts. Even with a mentor.

    Make mistakes (just not ridiculously expensive ones), and that will be your best mentor.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdeflation
    Problem is those who tell don't know and those who know don't tell..

    99.9% of people selling "help" don't know jack sh*t as if they did they would just be using their own advice to market something and not pandering (oh excuse me - "marketing") to desperate people.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by mrdeflation View Post

      Problem is those who tell don't know and those who know don't tell..

      99.9% of people selling "help" don't know jack sh*t as if they did they would just be using their own advice to market something and not pandering (oh excuse me - "marketing") to desperate people.
      If you limit this to the assorted tricks and loopholes "they" don't want you to know, I might agree with this.

      The trick is, there is advice and then there's advice.

      For example, I'll happily give/sell all the advice I can about how to catch fish - what tackle and bait to use, when the best time to go is, what kind of spot to look for, etc. Sharing that information does not limit my ability to catch fish.

      On the other hand, there's no way I'll tell you about the assortment of specific locations/patterns I use to catch fish. Doing so inevitably leads to my 'honey holes' being crowded and fished out. Take what I teach you and find your own spots.

      Change the term 'catching fish' to 'making money online' and the same logic applies.

      That's why so many threads asking about specific places to promote or specific niches/sites as examples are often met with chirping crickets.
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      • Profile picture of the author Robscom
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        If you limit this to the assorted tricks and loopholes "they" don't want you to know, I might agree with this.

        The trick is, there is advice and then there's advice.

        For example, I'll happily give/sell all the advice I can about how to catch fish - what tackle and bait to use, when the best time to go is, what kind of spot to look for, etc. Sharing that information does not limit my ability to catch fish.

        On the other hand, there's no way I'll tell you about the assortment of specific locations/patterns I use to catch fish. Doing so inevitably leads to my 'honey holes' being crowded and fished out. Take what I teach you and find your own spots.

        Change the term 'catching fish' to 'making money online' and the same logic applies.

        That's why so many threads asking about specific places to promote or specific niches/sites as examples are often met with chirping crickets.
        This is the best explanation I think I have ever seen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    99.9% of people selling "help" don't know jack sh*t
    You are correct.

    All the basics can easily be found free. The people who succeed will figure out their own unique approach.

    Mentors are great but IMO should be "supplemental." Take what works for you and leave the rest.

    It's like drivers on the highway during a blizzard. People often focus on the tail lights of the car ahead to the point they follow the leader right into the ditch.

    "Don't follow leaders..." ~ Bob Dylan
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    I always hang around people who are earning more than me.

    This is how sports people get better.

    This is how poker players get better.

    This is how you can work on yourself and improve your profits.

    Do you think you can get rich, by hanging around broke people.

    Cut them out of your life, and find 5 successful people and hang round them, see what they do, and how they do it. Make friends first, and then ask them to watch.

    Doing this has been the biggest driver of sales for our business.

    Then you CAN CUT THE CHIT!, and wake up each day, knowing what activities you have to do, as in what proper activities you have to do that will make you money.

    My guess is your broke friends, you are still in contact with, do not do this, and do not want to improve their lives.

    So cut these people out of your lives, and find people who have big successful busiensses.

    The chances are, while your friends are stuck in a crappy 9-5'er job, these guys wake up happy, and know they get on their machine for 2-3 hours a day, and only perform in money getting activities, like setting up paid ads, building high quality leads, creating content, helping clients.

    Actually that is just the tip of the iceburg.......

    in the end, its WHO you hang around with that will basically predict your INCOME and DAILY SUCCESS!

    cut out those that do not add to your life, and who are successful, even if that means people you like, or family members. Trust me, it will cut out some of the drama and crap you do not need in your life as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      I always hang around people who are earning more than me.

      This is how sports people get better.

      This is how poker players get better.

      This is how you can work on yourself and improve your profits.

      Do you think you can get rich, by hanging around broke people.

      Cut them out of your life, and find 5 successful people and hang round them, see what they do, and how they do it. Make friends first, and then ask them to watch.

      Doing this has been the biggest driver of sales for our business.

      Then you CAN CUT THE CHIT!, and wake up each day, knowing what activities you have to do, as in what proper activities you have to do that will make you money.

      My guess is your broke friends, you are still in contact with, do not do this, and do not want to improve their lives.

      So cut these people out of your lives, and find people who have big successful busiensses.

      The chances are, while your friends are stuck in a crappy 9-5'er job, these guys wake up happy, and know they get on their machine for 2-3 hours a day, and only perform in money getting activities, like setting up paid ads, building high quality leads, creating content, helping clients.

      Actually that is just the tip of the iceburg.......

      in the end, its WHO you hang around with that will basically predict your INCOME and DAILY SUCCESS!

      cut out those that do not add to your life, and who are successful, even if that means people you like, or family members. Trust me, it will cut out some of the drama and crap you do not need in your life as well.
      Yeah ^^^This^^^Exactly^^^

      There's only one problem, cutting people out of your life is a hell of a lot easier than getting 'accepted' by successful people when your broke... clearly, that's where the marketing skills come into play, provided that 'voice in your head' is pursued relentlessly by a belief and a passion to succeed... and even then, if you suck at marketing, and you're broke... time to hit the books man!

      It's ironic my daughter kept talking about some guy named Ty on YouTube giving away cars and such... and here I am a little over 5 years dabbling in IM related stuff, and just now figured out who she was talking about... Tai Lopez... guy is definitely a trip!

      *Hell, I want to hang out with him, lol!

      Actually, he indirectly gave me confidence as he's damn near as scatter brained as I am, and I think to know why; "He's store housing a ton of knowledge and covering a wide array of niches to boot!"

      Lastly, after signing up to his 67 Steps email list... his first email sentence reads;

      "First of all, I wanted to welcome you to my online community and tell you that I'm grateful for the opportunity to be your mentor."

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  • Profile picture of the author mapuhkerah
    can someone tell a success story doing mentoring in WF ?
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  • Profile picture of the author RennieBottali
    I think you are the right place "warriorforum" to solve your query.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxsi
    Yes Magic Buttons to make $$$$ are = a waste of time and money ( scam websites)
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  • Profile picture of the author MValmont
    I wished I started with a Mentor...I would have reached Financial freedom much sooner.

    People that don't want to invest in themselves often don't achieve success..The reason is they are not committed. If you are truly committed, you will find a way and you WILL invest in yourself.

    You can succeed without a mentor, but let me ask you WHY would you do that?

    Why? Chances are high that it is because deep down you are not convinced that it will work. If you knew it would work (and make lots of money), then obviously you would be ready to spend the money right?

    People that are certain it works and work smart will succeed no matter if they have a mentor or not, this is a fact. A mentor just makes the whole thing happen much faster.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

      I wished I started with a Mentor...I would have reached Financial freedom much sooner.


      You can succeed without a mentor, but let me ask you WHY would you do that?
      Yes, I agree and I think a Mentor comes in different forms. I've said this before and I think it is worth mentioning again, but you can acquire a "silent" Mentor right here at WF for FREE. That's what I did. Pick some of the top Warriors and just follow them and observe. And if you are polite and not intrusive you can also PM with a question.
      Just don't do it too much


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  • Profile picture of the author SCrafted
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  • Profile picture of the author CapY
    Originally Posted by rob21 View Post

    I'd like to know your thoughts on this topic. As an internet marketer getting started online, should you find a mentor in your market space (niche) right from the "get go", or should you fail your way to success?
    You don't necessarily need a mentor to be successful online, but I'd recommend you to have a mentor who is already where you want to be or achieved something you want to achieve.

    Why? Because simply he has been through it - he knows pros and cons, what to do and what not to do - he'll spare you a lot of your time(because he won't let you make mistakes he did) and point you in the right direction. Just watch out who do you choose and how do you two get along!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jasmine Carter
    It really depends on your mentality and how you view being coached by someone. It takes humility to step back and follow other peoples advice. I have been trying to make money on the internet for 4 or so years now and was completely unsuccessful because I had no clue where to start. Additionally there are sooooo many ways and as I am sure as you have already seen there are hundreds of ways to make money on the internet. I originally started as an affiliate and while that had its certain successes, it was not what I was exactly looking for in the pay off range and it was too time consuming. I was the lazy affiliate and wanted a quicker pay off. I hired a mentor and although if I would have just applied what he told me I would have been enormously successful again I was a complete newbie and got so stuck and discouraged that I gave up and I literally spent 2 grand on my first mentor. I was not determined to listen and just follow the advise. I am on my second mentor only this time he has given me an easier system that I actually understand and already see how the money will start flowing in very soon. This mentor has made things simple which is very encouraging for me to get started and actually apply what I learned from my original mentor.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jasmine Carter
      Originally Posted by Jasmine Carter View Post

      It really depends on your mentality and how you view being coached by someone. It takes humility to step back and follow other peoples advice. I have been trying to make money on the internet for 4 or so years now and was completely unsuccessful because I had no clue where to start. Additionally there are sooooo many ways and as I am sure as you have already seen there are hundreds of ways to make money on the internet. I originally started as an affiliate and while that had its certain successes, it was not what I was exactly looking for in the pay off range and it was too time consuming. I was the lazy affiliate and wanted a quicker pay off. I hired a mentor and although if I would have just applied what he told me I would have been enormously successful again I was a complete newbie and got so stuck and discouraged that I gave up and I literally spent 2 grand on my first mentor. I was not determined to listen and just follow the advise. I am on my second mentor only this time he has given me an easier system that I actually understand and already see how the money will start flowing in very soon. This mentor has made things simple which is very encouraging for me to get started and actually apply what I learned from my original mentor.
      So ultimately no you don't need one, but if you get one be willing to put in the work they tell you to do because even if you get one it doesn't mean you will be successful like I wasn't in the beginning. But without a mentor I would still be making pennies and wasting valuable time and effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author tich
    Originally Posted by rob21 View Post

    I'd like to know your thoughts on this topic. As an internet marketer getting started online, should you find a mentor in your market space (niche) right from the "get go", or should you fail your way to success?
    Did anyone teach you to walk?
    What about to talk?
    What about to read?
    What about to drive?

    If you answered yes to the above you know the answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rokas847
    Learning yourself takes more time, but it gives you an opportunity to gain better knowledge at that field, on the other hand, good mentor and a good student is also a good option.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
    I'm with celente on this one.

    Watch the guys bigger than yourself, make some friends => then join them in
    inner circle groups whenever possible. Wake up happy every single day.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Never underestimate a good mentos.
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    • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Never underestimate a good mentos.

      hehehe, you got it in strawberry-mango flavor?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Welter
    No, but it helps if you have one. Just to shorten the learning curve.
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    I wonder how many mentors hired mentors to mentor them on becoming a mentor.

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  • Profile picture of the author semahsedut
    who is the best mentor here in WF ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sahbi77
    I think if you are a beginner, A Mentor (good One) will have a huge impact towards your success, however, it will depend on only one thing which is your mindset to achieve success. I think this is the main key success also on the way plan your time and your budget.
    I hope this will help and I wish you all the success.

    Best Regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author Ivana Adnium
    Short answer: If you've got a budget for a mentor then yes it's helpful. If not, you can still be successful but it mighth take longer.
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  • Profile picture of the author samuelbreezey
    A mentor IMO would help you alot as they are there to guide you through the process and teach you how to do things where they may have failed before.

    But then on the flipside of this sometimes you just have to get down and dirty and do things yourself and not rely on others, it's good to make mistakes as you'll learn and know next time how to avoid the same mistake.

    So there are plusses on both sides for sure.

    So really it all depends on wether you want to "QUICK START" everything & if the "price is right"
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  • Profile picture of the author gwilfo1988
    It's true that you don't have to have a mentor to be a successful online, but this isn't just about the online business, what you're asking is a general question that applies to any business.

    There have been 'rags to riches' stories. Although, It's almost true that almost every successful person had or has a mentor.

    Oprah Winfrey had Maya Angelou
    Warren Buffett had Benjamin Graham
    Tony Robbins had Jim Rohn

    Yes, you can learn everything out of books and forums, youtube tutorials and blogs. But do you think you'd become a more successful investor reading books, or hanging around with Warren Buffett, copying what he does, getting that 'insider' knowledge.

    Do you think you'd be a better in your industry listening to your business lecturer? Or going to somebody who runs a billion dollar business?

    As social animals, we mostly intuitively learn through osmosis. It's not listening to people and then doing. It's not watching and then doing. It's about being around the right people, in the right environment and slowly copying over time, that's where the fastest route to success comes.

    I hope this helps
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  • Profile picture of the author nickstrech
    A good mentor can save you a heap of time, so if you are in a hurry get a mentor.If you want to faff about testing everything out making mistakes (that could have been avoided) then dont get a mentor..
    Just make sure you get a good one.
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  • Profile picture of the author gabrielrala
    It depends on the market or business that you will be having, I am seeing that there are some company that offers coach included in your subscription, and having a coach who's expert in this field, can guide you, to the right direction towards success and will tour you to Pro's and Con's
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  • Profile picture of the author michdubs
    yes you definitely need one, i would personally recommend a tutor/ mentor, not doing so could mean plunging into darkness that will frustrate you in your entire online career
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    Having the right mentor / coach can greatly decrease your learning curve and help you avoid making mistakes, saving you time and money and increase your chances of success.

    There are so many naysayers that think it's all a scam, those that can't do...teach, etc... or all you need is a course, everything you need is on the internet for free, etc...

    Well, if it's so easy, why do most fail?

    By no means am I saying that it is required. But for some, it can mean the difference between success and failure.

    To be completely transparent, I coach people. However, I started offer it after 4 years of getting PM's from users, asking if I would teach them and telling them no. Additionally, I have over 16 years experience doing what I coach.
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  • Profile picture of the author rbeckwith
    I have been marketing online since 2002 and can say that having a mentor will help shortcut a lot of grief and confusion if (and that's a BIG IF) you get the right person for you to help you understand and guide you in the right direction for you.

    There are many great coaches in various areas(and some bad ones) but receiving coaching is a VERY personal thing. Some do better with one-on-one live coaching while others prefer email or group coaching which is much less expensive.

    If you are a newbie, you don't know what you don't know, so it would be wise to first do some research on what you think you want to get involved with and then learn the basics before you approach a coach.

    Hope this helps
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  • Profile picture of the author jdjenkins
    Getting results with a personal coach or mentor depends a great deal on the individuals involved. I'm sure at school you experienced teachers who got their message across better than others. But different students prefer different teachers. If you feel you need a personal coach of some kind, then be prepared to shop around in order to find someone you can work with closely, You obviously have to trust and respect them, because you just need to do everything they tell you.

    Apart from the technical, business coaching, I think it can be good just to be able to hang out with people who have the kind of lifestyle that you are aiming for. It helps you to visualise the life that you want to live - actually seeing and experiencing it for yourself. You can then create strong images and feelings to boost your motivation even more every day.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    no mentor - i stayed broke.

    with my 2 mentors, one in here in the WF, i basically went from $0 to $100 a day, now I get depressed if I do less than $500 per day. LOL.

    but there are people that fail with a mentor, cause they sit on their fat ass doing nothing, and not taking action.

    So there are pros and cons, but if you are an action taker it can be good for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author silveroaks
    Well it is not necessary for one but it sure will help you learn quicker than by experiencing things alone.
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  • Profile picture of the author AronParker
    It's 10x harder to make it without a mentor.

    We all have mentors, if not direct - we have mentors that even talk to us.

    We listen to them through Books and take their advice.

    We all need mentors honestly to succeed, you can go from zero to hero quicker with someone who helps you out every step of the shows and shows you how the game is done.

    I was a struggling marketer when I met Ace Reddy but now I'm making a good amount of cash thanks to everything he teaches.

    My relationship life was bad until I read Grant Cardone's books on how to sell people and get everything you want. I used the closing abilities to get a new girlfriend lol and we're still in love with each other!
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  • Profile picture of the author OliverJOP
    You definetely need a good mentor except you love to be frustrated!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Cho
    If you value your time and know which direction you want to go in IM then it is absolutely necessary to get a coach.
    For every 10 methods to make money online I've found 1 that works and the rest just simply doesn't work. It's taken a lot of time and exhausted me trying out the 9 methods that didn't work almost to the point of giving up.
    So again i would say that if you truly value your time and are thinking to shortcut your way to your goal, then yes a coach is required.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slym
    I believe you only need a mentor for motivation... If you have a mentor and then you fail, you can blame him, but if you don't, you'll blame yourself and maybe quit doing what you do.
    Basically psychology.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrewsfm
    Originally Posted by rob21 View Post

    I'd like to know your thoughts on this topic. As an internet marketer getting started online, should you find a mentor in your market space (niche) right from the "get go", or should you fail your way to success?
    It depends, I'd personally prefer to join a system that teaches me all of this automated and in my own time, then also have the option to purchase personal mentoring etc.

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    You don't need hand holding with everything, just learn the basics and it's trial and error.
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  • Profile picture of the author 1Bryan
    Well, since this is a forum where a LOT of folks sell their "mentoring" ...

    Can't really get a good conversation flowing.

    I never had an IM mentor.

    In my first year online ... I made more than most who sell their "mentoring" do.

    If you understand sales?

    And you realize that you have to be able to get traffic?

    There's absolutely no reason to pay someone just so they can ding your credit card every month.

    Reality is ...

    Most of the IM mentors out there?

    Have only made money from selling their mentoring. That's not all. But definitely most. Especially on WaFo.

    IM is simple:

    Get traffic and convert that traffic. Over and over again.

    The learning of how to get traffic and how to convert traffic is from doing. Just like you don't learn how to hit from reading books and you don't learn how to hit listening to a guy who couldn't even swing in Little League ...

    You yourself have gotta get in the box and swing.

    Over and over again.

    Of course, a good hitting coach helps. But a good hitting coach almost always has at least one .300 season or one 30 HR season under their belt.

    And you can't say the same for most IM mentors.

    Most are the guy who never even played Little League ... and all they are doing is parroting back to you what they themselves read in a book.

    They are just a middleman between you and whatever book they read.

    So if you are going to buy anything?

    Buy that book.

    Better still ...

    Learn to sell and learn to get traffic and you will make money. More than any "mentor" is making. *If* you do it over and over ... again and again.

    P.S. I've had many real mentors in life. And not a single one I paid. Real mentors take you under their wing. If you actually "get" marketing? You know what paid mentoring is. It's a repackaging of basic stuff you'd get in an ebook and a way to charge a lot more for it. That's what it is. If you don't "get" that? You are a buyer and not a seller. A customer and not a producer.
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