I don't know, you don't know, nobody on this forum knows!

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Have you ever noticed how many of the threads on this forum begin with

"I read somewhere . . ."
"So and so told me . . ."
"I heard that . . ."
"Everybody says to . . ."
"What does the majority think about . . ."
"____________ (insert guru's name) told me to . . ."

Conjecture. Yup, that's all it is. Someone's opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.

When you think about it, that's what keeps most forums going.

Internet marketer's love conjecture. Why? It's the easy way out.

You can hang your hat on a belief without having to go to the effort of proving anything!

But here's rub . . .

IM is serious business (or should be). It's people's livelihood. I supports families.

And people's opinions are very often wrong - sometimes partially wrong - sometimes dead wrong. People love their opinions to the point that they begin believing them as fact and truth even though they have never been tested or proven.

I've done it. We've all done it. We've put money, time, and much effort into something based solely on an opinion we hold or one that someone shares.

Half the questions in this forum could be answered by the OP with a little testing. Wouldn't it be better to know for sure?

But that takes some time and effort.

It's not hard to learn how to track and test - anyone can do it.

But it's certainly easier to just ask your question and then hang your entire business on the conjecture of some random people here at the forum that have probably never made any real money in their business.

Is it any wonder so many of us struggle?

The very best to all of you, really,

Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
    ask a question

    test it

    get an answer

    test it again
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

    But it's certainly easier to just ask your question and then hang your entire business on the conjecture of some random people here at the forum that have probably never made any real money in their business.

    Steve
    My Take :
    But it's certainly effective to ask your question to more experienced Marketers to get some valuable insight and based on a combination of this and doing some testing yourself hang a portion of your business on both your own findings and advice from these reputable people ( because there are some) who have probably made some real money in their business.



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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

      But it's certainly effective to ask your question to more experienced Marketers to get some valuable insight . . .

      Discrat,

      Excellent observation. The tricky thing for most of us is knowing who really does have the experience and wisdom and who doesn't.

      Also, experienced marketers get good at certain things . . . but don't know diddly squat about the stuff they don't implement themselves. Sometimes that doesn't stop them from giving advice anyway.

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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        Discrat,

        Excellent observation. The tricky thing for most of us is knowing who really does have the experience and wisdom and who doesn't.

        Also, experienced marketers get good at certain things . . . but don't know diddly squat about the stuff they don't implement themselves. Sometimes that doesn't stop them from giving advice anyway.

        Steve
        Yes, this can be true. A very Successful Marketer can get stuck in his whole routine and kind of get lazy as far as keeping up with other aspects of IM..

        Or he might outsource a lot of his business and be successful at that and then try to come on here and give Advice on stuff that he really doesn't have a clue about ( because he outsources it )

        Ex. may be advice on Website development when he does not even hardly know how to set up a WP etc...
        Or trying to give Advice on PPC when he hires out for this etc..etc..
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Jackman
    one more, i think google can solve many problems. just check before asking.
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    • Profile picture of the author rockapreneur
      Originally Posted by Tom Jackman View Post

      one more, i think google can solve many problems. just check before asking.
      Lol my fav is "Let me google that for you"

      Let me google that for you

      Sorry in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author superowid
    It's how the game played, which always has multiple characteristic players. I call it: real life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Asking questions such as those in the OP is a good starting point, and you have to start somewhere.


    While testing is a valuable marketing tool, it requires results before it can give any value. It also requires a minimal amount of "actions" to be accurate. There's a number of things we do in IM that may not produce enough actions to provide accurate results.


    Testing can also take a lot of time, knowledge and experience. Inaccurate conclusions can be more harmful than no testing at all. IMO, sometimes it's best to be productive and do something else than to test something done in the past.


    I'm sure someone will interpret this as me saying to never test...and your conclusion will be incorrect.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    All so true...

    Even well researched and tested topics should be suspect in many cases.

    I might prove a point with pages of research, case studies, infographics and excel spreadsheets of expertly conducted testing. The problem is there can be a dozen variables that apply to YOU that make MY results worthless.

    There is a lot of good advice given here but it should often be taken as 'general principle' and not absolute in every case.
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  • Profile picture of the author Beats4Legends
    This is like the age old saying, "consider the source". ALL information is powerful, but if it's not true it can misguide you. The truth is you just need to put yourself in a position that you are learning as much as possible, while still taking everything with a grain of salt. To think that everybody is just lying and wasting your time isn't right either. I've learned a lot of really powerful techniques on this forum and others.
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  • Profile picture of the author lhlouiscom
    Definitely agreed to @aizaku
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  • Profile picture of the author zuberr
    One marketer's methods, even though they work for him, doesn't mean that they will work for everyone in every niche. I have been doing affiliate marketing for years now, and since then, absolutely everyone says you have to build a list. But in one niche of mine, getting rid of email marketing was actually a smarter move.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by zuberr View Post

      . But in one niche of mine, getting rid of email marketing was actually a smarter move.
      Yep, there are absolutely exceptions and this is so True. I can attest to this. One of my first Sites and it is centered around CPA Signups and is all Free Money offers. Email Marketing actually made me less money compared to just having people sign up for the free offers on the Site. Tried over and over again to make Email viable but it just made me less money in this particular Niche.


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  • Profile picture of the author Legend Dude
    I believe information should not be taken blindly. Instead you should try and test it for yourself. If you can't do it, use a Google Search to find an authority.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

    IM is serious business (or should be). It's people's livelihood. It supports families.
    Great truth. Starting a business on the internet can really allow you to quit a job that you hate, and allow you to start spending time with the people that you love the most.

    This isn't a game. And the more you think it's a game, the more you struggle with your "business" and continue to make $0 online.

    I know online you can get burned, even by people on this forum. But the fast talk about riches shouldn't condition you to the idea that you will *REALLY* be making $5,000/month in 30 days signing up to some membership or program.

    The only dudes I know who are LEGIT and will help you to make $5,000/month in 30 days are the people who charge you $10,000 for their membership or coaching.... and then send you a $5,000 transfer via Paypal to say "thanks" for joining.
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    Good post Steve,


    It seems to me from those types of threads people want it EASY AND SIMPLE.


    If it was so easy to make $500 a day, we would all be doing it!


    It boils down to lack of good ole HARD WORK!


    Thanks great post...
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