Finding developers on Upworks?

by derh
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If I have an idea for a web browser based app, where do I go to find a reseasonably priced developer? Upworks? Any firms out there?

The app I thinking of is rather simple in nature. Are we talking thousands of dollars to get developed? I was hoping around $300.

Any ideas?
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  • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
    A big part of the cost of developing any app is back end support. I'm not sure about web apps, but many Android and iOS apps need a server for the apps to connect to. The server and getting it set up can be pretty expensive.

    Also consider what us non-developers would consider an easy app, might actually be pretty complex to implement correctly.

    My own personal opinion is that $300 is pretty cheap, and I'd question the quality of work you'd get for that price.

    Here's an article that can probably better explain the different price points for web app development and what you can expect for those prices:

    Web Development Cost, Rate Comparison - different types of custom web application development companies
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  • Profile picture of the author vedremo
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    Originally Posted by derh View Post

    If I have an idea for a web browser based app, where do I go to find a reseasonably priced developer? Upworks? Any firms out there?

    The app I thinking of is rather simple in nature. Are we talking thousands of dollars to get developed? I was hoping around $300.

    Any ideas?
    I would suggest Upwork.

    It's not great, but it's the best of a bad lot of freelancing platforms.

    For web based apps I've found the best mix of value + experience from freelancers in China.

    My advice would be to have clear milestones and dates when you need things done by. Without this, things drag on, there's no urgency or accountability.

    $300 is about 10 hours work, not a lot involved.

    My advice at this stage would be to:
    - Have specs and parameters of what you want app to do. Screenshots / mockups are great, freelancer knows exactly what to do
    - Post project on Upwork as hourly.
    - Specify you prefer fixed price project and will discuss with "promising candidates"
    - Send specs to 2-3 good candidates and have them estimate cost and time. They'll tell you if they need server access or anything

    This will give you an idea of the budget. Proceed if you like the quote and freelancer.

    With Upwork (unlike other platforms) there's no risk involved in posting project, no fees for posting project, you don't have to hire etc. Just do it
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  • Profile picture of the author Sitestomp
    I don't think you're going to get a quality app for $300. I'd increase your budget by 10x to be honest.

    You may be able to find some cheap oversea labor to do it at that price, but like others have posted above, I'd question the quality and uniqueness of the work.

    If you want to get the best price on an app, I'd steer clear of the freelancing sites and go directly to the source. The best place to find app developers is where app developers hang out. Lots of forums and message boards where you can find plenty of young people just getting in to the market who will probably take on your project in exchange for a spot in their portfolio. Be patient with them, as they are rookies, but that's where I'd go to find the best possible price.
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  • Profile picture of the author 3wCorner
    Upwork is a good source. Another is outsourcely and staff.com. You can also place ads on craiglist.

    Project payments depends on complex the project will be, the duration of planning, coding, implementation and maintenance. You can also ask the price for per project basis, per month or per hour. Your choice.
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  • Profile picture of the author derh
    Thanks Guys!!
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    One thing to know is that almost everyone quotes high.

    I recently posted a simple project and the majority of quotes were $250-$380. I ended up getting it done for $100.

    Often I will send someone a message and just say...Your price is nuts. Thanks anyway. That's what I did with everyone on the last project, except the lower more reasonable ones, which most I told them there price was high. Then you will find out who is will to negotiate, as may will reply back and ask you what you think is fair or they will just drop their price.

    The person that said that $300 is about 10 hours work. I would disagree. I have never in my life paid anyone $300 per hour. Many programmers live in countries where $30 per hour is mad money and will work for a fraction of that price.

    If you only speak English, make sure who you choose has excellent comprehension. If not, you can end up explaining something over and over to get them to understand. I always specify this in the description of the project.

    I also always say to use the word "????" at the beginning of their proposal, so you know who really read it VS who just posted an automated reply.

    In my opinion, trust no one until they prove themselves. Many freelancers will just tell you yes to anything, to get you to award them the project. So never pay anything upfront ever, always set clear/specific milestones and never pay unless you are 100% satisfied!!!

    Try and be very detailed in your specs. The very first program that I had developed, I didn't do this. So while I got what I wanted, it didn't have the exact functionality that I was expecting. This is because I was vague in my specs and the programmer had to interpret my assumptions that I thought were obvious, because how else would you do it. Well it turned out there were other ways.

    Once you find someone you can trust, is quick and fair on pricing. Stick with them. My main programmer has worked with me for about 19 years. Some small amount of things he doesn't do and that's when I have to use freelancer sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author bluejeans
      Originally Posted by DIABL0 View Post

      One thing to know is that almost everyone quotes high.
      I don't agree. As both a freelancer and client on upwork, more of what I see is clients posting projects expecting people to work for pennies on the hour. I've seen folks post requests for full site redesigns with a budget of $50. Seriously?

      Like most things, you get what you pay for. I don't quote high, I quote realistic to provide North American standards for quality. A significant percentage of jobs I pick up are people who started trying to get something done on the cheap and their sites are left completely messed up by freelancers who abandoned them after failing to implement feature requests successfully.

      So, I think it's good to consider the importance of not focussing only on who can do things the cheapest. Don't be that person who exploits how desparate some freelancers might be since it has a high chance of coming back and biting you in the end.
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      • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
        Originally Posted by bluejeans View Post

        I don't agree. As both a freelancer and client on upwork, more of what I see is clients posting projects expecting people to work for pennies on the hour. I've seen folks post requests for full site redesigns with a budget of $50. Seriously?

        Like most things, you get what you pay for. I don't quote high, I quote realistic to provide North American standards for quality. A significant percentage of jobs I pick up are people who started trying to get something done on the cheap and their sites are left completely messed up by freelancers who abandoned them after failing to implement feature requests successfully.

        So, I think it's good to consider the importance of not focussing only on who can do things the cheapest. Don't be that person who exploits how desparate some freelancers might be since it has a high chance of coming back and biting you in the end.
        I understand what you are saying, but you are a freelancer and you want to get the highest payment possible. While I am on the opposite side and want to get the best price possible. What you consider pennies, other people may consider good pay. Also when you say that you get what you pay for, doesn't mean that you have to pay top dollar to get top dollar work.

        As to freelancers abandoning jobs is exactly why I said never to pay anything upfront and have clear / specific milestones and only pay when 100% satisfied.

        If your needing a one off job done and someone is willing to do the job for $100 and I'm going to get the same quality work as others that want $250-$350+, choosing someone
        with a higher price makes no sense.

        The exception to this for me is the amount of experience / skill needed to complete a project is very high. Then a lower price may not be the wisest way to go. This is why I have a lead programmer that I have been working with for 19 years. This way I know the job is going to get done right (regardless how complex it is), in a reasonable time frame and at a fair price. Now I'm still getting it done at a great price, but at a premium of what I could have worked a deal on a freelancer site.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    You will certainly get people who will develop a web based app for you at 99designs but the cost will be a little over the roof.

    If you want a cheap one, I can refer you to a designer but will need to browse through my Skype for the name which I can't remember now.
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    • Profile picture of the author derh
      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      You will certainly get people who will develop a web based app for you at 99designs but the cost will be a little over the roof.

      If you want a cheap one, I can refer you to a designer but will need to browse through my Skype for the name which I can't remember now.
      Thanks I would like to take you up on this offer if that's okay!!
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  • Profile picture of the author GetPLRhere
    I would suggest learning programming on your own. After some time, if programming is a struggle for you, then consider outsourcing. Even if you get the app done, you might still need to upgrade it over time. Not to mention, potential bugs that might need to be address.

    Think about the potential cost down the road. You might need to rehire the same programmer for continuous work on your app.
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  • Profile picture of the author vic1
    vedremo's instructions are great.
    I've used upwork for about 2 years with good results but I could be just lucky.

    I would guess a browser based app would be around $800 or so by a quality programmer.
    There are always changes you'll think of and other stuff that will need to be done while the job is being worked on which adds to your cost.
    Than of course it will need updating as things change etc...

    Don't be afraid to throw your job into the ring and see what response you get.
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