Lead generation... Keeping my clients honest and making sure I get paid

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I'm thinking about starting a lead generation site. I've tried to research before posting so if anybody has any tweaks to improve my method I'm anxious to get their feedback.

It appears I can either charge per lead and let the client close it, or I can charge nothing and if it converts then charge a percentage of the job. I'm thinking about doing the latter because I have no experience. If I'm able to close a few deals, get some experience and (hopefully) some positive recommendations then I'll have some credibility to just sell leads and let the client close them.

For those who are in lead gen do you prefer one method, the other, or both?

If I take a cut how do I make sure I get paid? Do I contact the customer afterward, have him leave a review on my site and that's my proof that the transaction was completed? My concern is I'll find a lead, send it over and the business will state they followed up with him/her but no transaction was completed (even though it was.)

If its a higher paying job (like a dentist) do you offer the client a nominal amount (say 25- 20 bucks) in the form of a gift card or cash to complete a survey or leave a review once the job was performed?

And finally, Is this the proper forum to post this in or should I have put it in offline marketing to get more exposure? This is my second post and I did a search for lead generation and found discussions in both forums, but nothing pertaining to this subject.

If this has been addressed ad nauseum and the seasoned vets don't want to go over it again (I don't blame you) can somebody furnish a link to that thread?

Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    I've been generating leads online for like 18 years.

    I wouldn't waste my time proving leads for free and then only get paid based on the companies ability to close. I've had some mortgage companies try and work back-end deals like that, where your potential payout would be much higher, but everything else about the deal would be a nightmare.

    Charge per lead...period, end of story!
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    • Profile picture of the author KristiD
      Originally Posted by DIABL0 View Post

      I've been generating leads online for like 18 years.

      I wouldn't waste my time proving leads for free and then only get paid based on the companies ability to close. I've had some mortgage companies try and work back-end deals like that, where your potential payout would be much higher, but everything else about the deal would be a nightmare.

      Charge per lead...period, end of story!
      So charge less per lead instead of doing it pro bono then getting a percentage of the job? How much do you charge per lead for a high end industry (doctor, attorney, mortgage co) and how much for a trade (HVAC, plumber, etc)

      I entertained the idea of free based on if I could successfully generate a lead that the client was satisfied with...same way others give away a free report to upsell a higher priced product.
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  • Profile picture of the author 3wCorner
    Some clients pay per month like a fix salary. But it seems so unfair when you do a lot of work to get leads with or without customers. I'd say, get a percentage for a fair share of the sale.
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    • Profile picture of the author KristiD
      Originally Posted by 3wCorner View Post

      Some clients pay per month like a fix salary. But it seems so unfair when you do a lot of work to get leads with or without customers. I'd say, get a percentage for a fair share of the sale.
      If I went this route, do you follow up with the customer to verify the amount billed?
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  • Profile picture of the author dburk
    Hi KristiD,

    In my opinion, most of the time it doesn't make sense to get paid after the sale for a whole host of reasons.

    Here is a list or reasons you don't get paid:

    dishonest client
    client forgot to ask customer
    client forgot where the lead came from
    client forgot to check the source of the lead
    client forgot to record the sale
    client forgot to record the source of the sale
    client forgot where the lead came from
    client forgot where he was suppose to record the sale
    client forgot when he was to report the sale
    client forget which leads source was suppose to be recorded
    client forgot where he put the list of leads he recorded
    client forgot what the criteria was for a qualified lead
    client forgot to tell the accountant/bookkeeper to write the check
    client forgot to mail the check
    client forgot the terms of your agreement
    client forgot he had an agreement
    client doesn't have the money right now, will pay later if he doesn't forget

    And those are just some of the reasons I haven't forgotten about yet.

    Another reason is that if your client has zero invested in a lead, he will likely treat it like it is totally worthless right up to the point of getting a sale. If they lose the lead, forget where they put the last batch of leads, or accidently threw them out with the trash when tidying up the office, oh well. It didn't cost him anything, just "give me more leads and I'll try not to lose them this time... heh ... heh... heh..."

    I'm not saying it is impossible to get a client that takes very good care of a lead that personally cost him absolutely nothing, it's just as rare as the coming of the messiah.

    If you charge per lead you are far more likely to get paid for every lead, you won't have to worry about lead waste or neglect, or the ability of your client to close leads. You get paid up front and your client is just as invested in the lead source as you are.

    By the way, it still can be challenging to get paid on a timely bases, but at least it will be clear how much you are to be paid.

    Additionally, you need to clearly define what constitutes a qualified lead, put it in writing so there can be no debate after the fact, and always audit the leads returned as "unqualified" before approving a refund/credit. Sales people have a nasty habit of blaming their own personal failures on the leads, after all their sales pitch was perfect, what else could it be, but your nasty ole lead that prevented the sale.

    HTH
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    • Profile picture of the author KristiD
      Originally Posted by dburk View Post

      Hi KristiD,

      In my opinion, most of the time it doesn't make sense to get paid after the sale for a whole host of reasons.

      Here is a list or reasons you don't get paid:

      dishonest client
      client forgot to ask customer
      client forgot where the lead came from
      client forgot to check the source of the lead
      client forgot to record the sale
      client forgot to record the source of the sale
      client forgot where the lead came from
      client forgot where he was suppose to record the sale
      client forgot when he was to report the sale
      client forget which leads source was suppose to be recorded
      client forgot where he put the list of leads he recorded
      client forgot what the criteria was for a qualified lead
      client forgot to tell the accountant/bookkeeper to write the check
      client forgot to mail the check
      client forgot the terms of your agreement
      client forgot he had an agreement
      client doesn't have the money right now, will pay later if he doesn't forget

      And those are just some of the reasons I haven't forgotten about yet.

      Another reason is that if your client has zero invested in a lead, he will likely treat it like it is totally worthless right up to the point of getting a sale. If they lose the lead, forget where they put the last batch of leads, or accidently threw them out with the trash when tidying up the office, oh well. It didn't cost him anything, just "give me more leads and I'll try not to lose them this time... heh ... heh... heh..."

      I'm not saying it is impossible to get a client that takes very good care of a lead that personally cost him absolutely nothing, it's just as rare as the coming of the messiah.

      If you charge per lead you are far more likely to get paid for every lead, you won't have to worry about lead waste or neglect, or the ability of your client to close leads. You get paid up front and your client is just as invested in the lead source as you are.

      By the way, it still can be challenging to get paid on a timely bases, but at least it will be clear how much you are to be paid.

      Additionally, you need to clearly define what constitutes a qualified lead, put it in writing so there can be no debate after the fact, and always audit the leads returned as "unqualified" before approving a refund/credit. Sales people have a nasty habit of blaming their own personal failures on the leads, after all their sales pitch was perfect, what else could it be, but your nasty ole lead that prevented the sale.

      HTH
      Thank you everybody for the feedback! I love this forum. Sorry if I was banging the pro bono drum too hard, I was introduced to lead gen from a (now infamous) domainer and his method recommended collection after the fact. I'm convinced this is erroneous. You're absolutely right DBurk...if they don't have anything invested they won't use it. Kind of like some of the great (but free) ebooks I've D/L'd and haven't read :p

      The part about salespeople and my crummy lead......love it. Glengarry Glen Ross comes to mind

      About pricing.....I've googled up some lead gen site examples to model. If I go with dentistry (probably not, I have a feeling it may be too competitive) would I contact the webmaster of that site, pretend I'm a dentist, ask about his fees and use that to set my rate? Lather/rinse/repeat for other niches I want to target?
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  • Profile picture of the author Daye
    Hi all, brand new to these forums. Thought it might be a good place to come for advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daye
    Oops.. I guess I can't hit enter.

    I recently entered into a contract with someone to give them leads based on a percentage of the closed deal. I am a licensed Realtor, and so are they. We are licensed with the same brokerage, and I can see the deals and client names that come through, so I can keep him honest. Besides that, I trust him.

    I'm curious about the concept of selling per lead, because that seems like a much tougher sell from my perspective. Most Realtors are OK with a % agreement, and most are skeptical of an upfront cost.

    Right now I'm not generating a high volume of leads (about 2 per day), but a closed transaction can land me $1500 or so based on our agreement.

    Anyway, I guess I'm in a bit of a unique position seeing that I can monitor the transactions, but based on my low lead yield a % seems better, at least from the onset.
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    • Profile picture of the author KristiD
      Originally Posted by Daye View Post

      Oops.. I guess I can't hit enter.

      I recently entered into a contract with someone to give them leads based on a percentage of the closed deal. I am a licensed Realtor, and so are they. We are licensed with the same brokerage, and I can see the deals and client names that come through, so I can keep him honest. Besides that, I trust him.

      I'm curious about the concept of selling per lead, because that seems like a much tougher sell from my perspective. Most Realtors are OK with a % agreement, and most are skeptical of an upfront cost.

      Right now I'm not generating a high volume of leads (about 2 per day), but a closed transaction can land me $1500 or so based on our agreement.

      Anyway, I guess I'm in a bit of a unique position seeing that I can monitor the transactions, but based on my low lead yield a % seems better, at least from the onset.
      Hi Daye
      Thank you for responding. The fact that you have your RE license and I wanted to investigate this niche I'd like your feedback. I've already completed the 60 hours and passed all the practice tests to get my RE license, just haven't sat for the test yet.

      I was putting it on hold so I could pursue IM instead but it sounds like in your industry there are legal contracts (same as if I was a listing agent bringing you a client and we closed a sale, for example) to where everybody is protected.

      You've brainstormed an idea that makes me want to combine lead gen with RE. If I get my license and start a lead gen site in my state, furnish a lead locally or another part of the state, if the transaction closes I'm essentially a buyer's agent and my broker and I have the paperwork that will protect our cut...correct? I realize your current operations are all under your broker so there's total transparency. How do you (or have you done) it when you/your broker/another broker/his agent are included in the deal and you furnished the lead?

      Like Daye I'm brand new and want to observe proper etiquette. Not sure if this should be asked via PM or if posting it publicly may help out other warriors if they are in the RE niche.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daye
        Originally Posted by KristiD View Post

        Hi Daye
        Thank you for responding. The fact that you have your RE license and I wanted to investigate this niche I'd like your feedback. I've already completed the 60 hours and passed all the practice tests to get my RE license, just haven't sat for the test yet.

        I was putting it on hold so I could pursue IM instead but it sounds like in your industry there are legal contracts (same as if I was a listing agent bringing you a client and we closed a sale, for example) to where everybody is protected.

        You've brainstormed an idea that makes me want to combine lead gen with RE. If I get my license and start a lead gen site in my state, furnish a lead locally or another part of the state, if the transaction closes I'm essentially a buyer's agent and my broker and I have the paperwork that will protect our cut...correct? I realize your current operations are all under your broker so there's total transparency. How do you (or have you done) it when you/your broker/another broker/his agent are included in the deal and you furnished the lead?

        Like Daye I'm brand new and want to observe proper etiquette. Not sure if this should be asked via PM or if posting it publicly may help out other warriors if they are in the RE niche.
        Hi Kristi I'm so sorry for the huge delay in response.

        Yes I have a contract, albeit not an official one, it is a custom one that I drafted up which I believe to adequately protect my interests. That being said, I also very much trust the party I'm "selling" the leads to, so the contract is really a formality and to avoid any potential for ugliness.

        Now, one point I will make is that I'm located in Canada. In terms of the Internet of Real Estate, there is a stark contrast between our two countries, where ours is still very much protected by the various Real Estate bodies. That being said, I do not doubt there still exist many opportunities in the United States, I just know that you're competing for web traffic with huge companies such as Redfin.

        In terms of the transaction, I've done it two ways. The easiest is to keep the lead for yourself. That way, you get 100% of the commission. The downside, for me at least, was that Internet Leads require substantial amounts of follow ups phone calls and e-mails, and after awhile I got burnt out with all of it. In this method, you're legally representing the Buyer in the transaction, showing them properties, drafting the contract etc.

        The other way, is to refer the lead. Standard for most North American referrals is 25% of the gross commission received by the agent you've referred to. I have a contract in place to ask for 30% as I'm offering some other services and exclusivity to my "client." In this, it is up to my client to record me as the referral agent when doing the paperwork, to mark down that I'm receiving 30% referral. As mentioned, the advantage is that I am licensed with the same office so I can access the paperwork and keep him honest (not that I expect the need).

        I have referred probably 200 leads to outside Realtors, some with a quick referral form signed by both parties, others with the honor system. I have not received a dime from any of them. I'm hoping, as an optimist, that the leads simply never lead anywhere, but there is a real chance that they decided to leave out that referral fee. The downside for them is I never sent them more leads, but I guess I'm the one out money.

        So, we have a custom agreement (I can e-mail you the template if you like) to refer all leads at 30%. We also have a standard company referral form which both parties sign, where we detail the client's information, and then it's submitted to the office so if that name comes through we know, and it's legally binding if we can prove they worked with them; but honestly it does come back to the honor system really. And finally, if you represent the Buyer yourself then you're doing all of the paperwork and you're protected in that all documentation says you're getting 100% of the commission.

        I hope that helped. Again, I am sorry for the slow reply. If you have more questions feel free to reach out and I'll do my best to answer and get back to you sooner. I'd also love to hear what success you're having with various online avenues, maybe we can compare notes.
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  • Profile picture of the author phenomix
    If you know the person you are creating the website for, then you shouldn't worry about getting paid. I created a lead generation website for a wholesale meat company in my country who I used to work for a few years prior. I knew the industry very well and made a legitimate looking and high-quality website that gets inquiries every week.

    I showed it to my old boss and he couldn't believe the business that we emailing me looking for some stock. I told him that all these leads are warm as he now knows what they are interested in buying. All you have to do is get your sales rep to cold call them and lead into selling what they inquired about. Needless to say, I negotiated a rate of $50 per week for the lifetime of every converted customer.
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  • Profile picture of the author JFlex
    yea this is the place to be
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