All for one and one for all isn't working on WF!

You want to improve your writing? You want to improve your credibility? Why not try what I suggested a little while back: open your own site and practice there.

You can post the best articles elsewhere after they are indexed by Google. Ask for feedback on your site.

You can still take part in the discussion here. Most of us don't write long articles here. We discuss. We ask questions. We provide answers. Yes, there is a place for an article sometimes but not 3 or 4 in a row day by day.

An alternative is to post articles in a place like EzineArticles.com where they expect and want articles to be posted.

I see 3 or 4 problems with what you've been posting here:

1. You are posting in the wrong categories sometimes.

2. You need to learn how to deal with positive and negative feedback.

3. You use too much flowery (I don't even know the word to describe it) language. Somewhere you wrote about this "brave new digital world". Other posts just seem convoluted:

Note: I know my English isn't perfect - nowhere close. But I do know when things are hard to read for me.

4. You admit you have no/little experience and that you are basically a rewriter. This comes across loud and clear. Who are you to tell us how to get better search engine listings or get more sales or whatever? You don't have a clue yourself except in what you've read. I'm not saying this in a negative way - we all had to start somewhere.

With some time, experience, and practice I believe you can turn this situation around and become a highly sought after writer here on the forum and a member that people are proud to have here. But you have to be willing to make some changes. If you keep doing what you've been doing you'll keep getting what you've been getting.

Finally, don't get down on yourself. That's our job. LOL Just kidding.

I've been a member here since 1999. Except for a couple longer breaks, I've pretty much been around checking the forum out regularly. I don't live here, though. I check in and answer a question or two I think I can help with. Recently, I wrote 3 longer posts. I would consider one a "success" - well received. One so-so. And one was a complete dud.

My point? I've been here a long time and generally know how the community works, what they want, what will help, etc. But my results, while okay, were less than stellar. You don't have to hit a home run every time but if you NEVER do, then there may be a problem to fix. I sense you see that and that's why you posted this.


Mark

If you fancy writing, start out at listverse and build a following. $100 per article.

Write & Get Paid - Listverse

Good share. Don't quit. Don't give up. Stay committed. Keep going. Persistence pays off.

I didn't expect to read any words like these from you.

After briefly reading a couple of your article posts I pretty much ignored everything you wrote.

Perhaps you have sensed people don't want articles and do want discussions.

Maybe engage and encourage discussion more with your posts and you will get on a better path.

Best regards,

Ozi

I think if you'll ask specific questions you'll find people are willing to answer. But when you write articles that somewhat imply you already think you know everything it doesn't leave us much room to help you.

I've been ghostwriting for over five years now. I try to pop in here every day or so and offer any input that I can. But I don't use this forum as my practice writing platform.

People on the forum can seem harsh (some more than others) but most are honestly trying to help you learn how to participate in a forum in a way that will benefit you in the long run.

Rose

The problem as I see it is that the people who come here and simply post articles are not inspiring a conversation.

Instead of thinking that it is the forum's fault for not accepting your articles as good content, you should realize this is a place for discussion and not a place to post articles.

People read blogs and go to article directories when they want to read articles.

They visit forums when they want to take place in a discussion.

My advice to you would to write your articles in manner that encourages a discussion.

#1 - Know one seems to want to read a lengthy article - Shorten your forum content.
#2 - Leave room for discussions - State your opinion about a subject and ask the readers to share their opinion about the subject.


What I will agree with you own is the true rudeness and down right bullying some forum members love to take part of.

These people...You will never satisfy because they need to berate people to feel better about themselves.

You're writing for money with zero knowledge of the subjects.

Reading blogs isn't helping you because most blogs especially in the SEO niche are full of crap trying to sell something related to SEO, even If it's only an email optin, they're still selling.

You don't know a thing about SEO so stop writing about SEO. Write about a subject you know. Specialize in writing for a niche you know and understand from experience.

You're articles, particularly the SEO articles are only giving you a bad reputation. They're a joke and it's very clear you've never ranked a webpage on Google SERPs.

This isn't meant to be offensive, I'm trying to point you in the right direction.

BTW, this is a forum, not an article directory. People go to forums for questions & answers, they participate with other forum members. Dropping an article and disappearing is not participation in the forum thread. It's spam.

Perfect! We can not start at the end result. Does not matter what it is. Monies, your goals, your plans....

We need to optimize the process. Learn and do better.

The small things.

Most importantly...

HAVE FUN!

Nesha, this is far and away the best thread you've had since you arrived. It's you, communicating honestly, not trying to teach something you know nothing about. Now that it's YOU posting, and not that writer fella, welcome.

Oh, and don't get too down on yourself. You aren't the first one to try establishing yourself by posting generic advice. You're just one of the few to acknowledge where you went wrong.

It's an excellent start...

This thread shows that IN PART you get what so many people have been trying to tell you.

The part you appear to get is that Warrior Forum is not a place to post articles, especially articles that are based on no personal or professional experience - merely research.

So far so good.

But in the passage I highlighted (and in many other posts) you appear to have a desperate need for praise. That does not bode well, and you should take a look at that as well.

What works here is to enter into discussions with curiosity and humility.

I have been in business for myself for 35 years, and nearly every day I learn something from forum exchanges. That is why I stick around and contribute.

Disagreement is normal. It's good. It's helpful. Criticism is not a sign of being a "hater," whatever that is.

We are not here to tell you that you are smart or interesting. So as you go forward, take your ego out of the picture, please. Then you will be truly making a fresh start.

Marcia Yudkin

Seriously? In spite of the "new attitude" you don't get it. You just keep digging...

You don't seem to understand the positive things people say.
...but you are quick to pounce on anything you think is critical.

Bordering on....

I also believe in Good Karma. But I am NEVER stop believing in it. Just believe it once more time. Out there has a lot of sources to improve your writing skill but all is up to you.

Neeshaword,

What are you talking about?

This is a great group of folks. Overall, this is a great place to get questions answered and get a LOT of free information and guidance.

No one is getting paid to answer questions on the forum. We're here to learn and to help pull each other up by the bootstraps, so to speak.

I'm really not sure what exactly it is you're taking offense to here.

My advice is to develop a bit thicker skin, heed the advice of the seasoned pros here, do some searches to find the info you need to help you on your way, and contribute in a positive way to the community.

I think if you do this, you will experience exactly what you experience in the gym.

For my part, I can say that I have been helped immensely just by "lurking" in the chat threads, and studying from some of the best in the world who give their time freely here.

All the best my friend,

Pat

Is it just me or is anyone just following along and having a giggle at this? On a serious note, this Forum has been incredibly supportive over the past 5 weeks that I have been a member. No information is too silly or too minor to discuss and everyone is really interested in sharing their experience. If the 'Forum' element is focused on it's a super valuable resource. Nesha, I know you're passionate, that is obvious and I do hope you can get as much out of the forum as I have.

Just one share but I could add many.

A warrior we all know (and honestly I only knew from the cool posts she creates) gave me some advice as I rejoined the forum recently and it was more like a if you even expect me to take you seriously you will do this advice and it literally made me serious money in a very short time I would not have made otherwise. Recent stuff.

I try to model myself from people like that.

The Warrior Forum still Rocks.

Art

if you enjoy writing, then go and start a book on the sideline of work.

@ OP: I have not been a member very long, but have visited this site many times for information - reading old and current threads. Just studying and trying to take it all in before I shift to higher gears with some of my online businesses.

Online businesses include a few ecommerce stores, writing, and AM. AM tips and advice is what keeps bringing me back here as I am only a year into it. It seems almost every search result is a thread from the forums here, which shows how much activity there is here. Good for the website, but not necessarily good for the fresh meat.

I used Upwork as a place to develop my following and while there are many third-world writers who will bid and gladly accept a few dollars for a few hundred words, you do not have to do the same. It is easy to spot an article written by someone whose native language is not English. I built a client base and I bid what I want using my feedback, portfolio, and reputation as leverage to get the job. I do not get every one in which I bid, but I do not want every one of them.

So go there and work on your writing, customer base, or whatever you desire as there are numerous categories. Write about SEO if you want; do not let the people here discourage you. When I wrote my first SEO article, I was still learning. Fortunately, I had an interest in it long before I began writing about it, so it wasn't totally Greek to me. Eventually, I found my own niche (a field in which I have never worked) where I write more frequently, but I also write many SEO articles in between the niche articles. When someone tells you that you cannot do something, use it as motivation. I find the grammar and spelling of those critiquing your writing skills and tone of your articles amusing.

There has never been a more accurate statement than was stated by one of the members:

'What I will agree with you own is the true rudeness and down right bullying some forum members love to take part of.

These people...You will never satisfy because they need to berate people to feel better about themselves.'

I come here to read, but I would never ask a question because every thread that I have read where someone asked for help had numerous responses just as you described and as quoted above, very little help, and plenty of discouragement. I have thick skin, thanks to years of sales and customer service experience when I had a 9 to 5; I do not have the time to waste sorting through negativity to find the "help".

I have been successful throughout my life because of people, even my negative dad, always telling me that I could not do something. I can do anything I want and have the patience and intelligence to read, study, and figure it out (if I do not know how), then the balls to execute. You and anyone else who gets bullied and judged here can do the same. You have to believe in yourself and not give a #### about what others say.

The attitude that I sense here is that the "new generation", as a WF member in another thread called those aspiring to become AMs, is moving onto our turf - turf being AM, your writing, one's product, or anything else that can be deemed as competition. New entrepreneurs are not going to be competition for awhile and they know this. Still, some try to push back. Because they have the experience, they love to critique and can. In a real life experience, they are probably very meek, polite, passive people.

So, I'm telling you to keep writing but find another place to do it so that you are not discouraged to the point that you think you do not have the skill. Everyone has the skill; everyone needs to keep honing those skills just as a major league pitcher throws every day.

My perception is that everyone here thinks they are a moderator and they want to be the first to criticize, but 9 or 10 others beat them to it, resulting in a thread of negativity. I sense people lurking like buzzards on a tree limb waiting for road kill, so that they can degrade and belittle new members and discourage them from their endeavors. However, in the midst of all the "you screwed up" comments are some secure people who are not afraid to help. Many thanks to them.

People are quick to tell others to grow a list, yet they know very little about growing a forum of "new generation" members.

haha, something happened to my ability in regard to posting videos

man, sometimes i think i'm back in elemantary school

i would like to speak to a mod, please send me a PM

An online dictionary defines "bullying" as "using superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants."

No one is trying to intimidate you here, and certainly no one is trying to force you to do anything. Various people are simply saying things that you are not ready to hear.

It appears that you believe that "good intentions" means saying nice things and giving you pats on the back and "bullying" means saying things that upset you.

Enforcing that interpretation of "bullying" would clearly make any forum useless.

Maybe what would serve you better at this point in your career would be a support group.

Marcia Yudkin

So when you post things that are untrue, false, and are clearly posting from a point of view devoid of any practical experience, we should all just sit back and say, "Good job! Great post."???

That would do more harm than good.

Forgive my ignorance, but I saw little to no value reading through all the extra added bs that's attached itself to this thread, but in direct response to the OP's thread...

Why don't you scroll down and post your "ARTICLES" here:

Articles

[edit] SCRATCH THAT... just saw that section is 'CLOSED" to new submissions... my apologies![/edit]

Create blog posts (in your user panel) with headlines and titles that may interest readers, on the topics you cover (or rewrite, or whatever!) - at least then you'll get some benefit from this forum instead of getting "NUKED".

Man, there is a lot of hostility looming about over here lately...

I might want to be careful as I am easily provoked to engage in arguments. However, as of late, the whole; "if your a member of more than one site/forum thing is really getting old!"

Art

I absolutely agree with you, there are a lot of Cyber bullies here on WF,

Plus if you're only here since 2016, the so-called experts will try to put you down everytime you try to say something useful or to outsmart them...

They don't ever think that you may have:

- Came from another well-established forum like BlackHatWorld
- You got your old account banned and created a new one
- ...

In short, If you are new here, the warriors will give you no respect, and they always find a way to put you down

But, you need to be strong and you need to become successful to prove them wrong, ...

Really, it doesn't surprise me at all. You know why?

Business is competitive - sometimes cutthroat - this isn't a mutual admiration society.

You can ask for a "partnership" where everyone contributes all they have . . . but honestly, what does the new and inexperienced person bring to the table? How are they contributing?

New members come here all the time asking the successful members to divulge everything they have learned by costly, difficult experimentation and trial-and-error. They want to know the best tools, best traffic sources, best strategies, where to get the best traffic, and on and on. (In reality, my "best" whatever probably won't work for you).

I'm fine with helping a new member when I can, but "all for one and one for all" really seems one-sided to me. It's great if you're new . . . not so great if you're the one doing all the contributing.

Just something to think about,

Steve

I agree, Mindset is a huge part of achieving success, and the one reason why I've been so successful

Be sure to always:

1.Be dedicated to what you do and believe that it will happen.

2.Being disciplined in something you are passionate about is the key.

How about moving this conversation here?

Thanks!