All for one and one for all isn't working on WF!

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I know that life isn't a movie, but what happened to good old musketeer's principle:

All for one and one for all?!

I don't expect or ask for someone to take my hand here and show me how the job is done and money is made. But, I also didn't expect to be buried alive more than once.

I was in the gym. It isn't working, but I'm trying. There's a guy showing me how it's done. I needed to ask if he works there. I'm in no situation to afford a personal trainer. This guy didn't have a job, but he didn't lack a good will to help other people. So, I said, you did something good, I believe in Good Karma, you're looking for a job, try some of the freelancing sites I'm working on, maybe it's gonna work for you, maybe not, but try. He didn't ask a thing in return, but I felt obliged to do something. A word of advice was all I could give at that moment.

I was under heavy fire because of my articles. I'm a writer, or at least I'm trying to become one. This is the way I communicate. I write. If I was a musician, then I would play something on a guitar to introduce myself. I write. I don't bite. But hey, if that's the main problem, I'm not gonna do it. Now, can some of the warriors change their bully attitude? I don't think so.

My words are obviously falling on deaf ears. Yet, there's no way I'm gonna stop believing in Good Karma. Musketeers have obviously become an extinct species. Yet, this doesn't mean their principles and motto are gone too. At least not for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    You want to improve your writing? You want to improve your credibility? Why not try what I suggested a little while back: open your own site and practice there.

    You can post the best articles elsewhere after they are indexed by Google. Ask for feedback on your site.

    You can still take part in the discussion here. Most of us don't write long articles here. We discuss. We ask questions. We provide answers. Yes, there is a place for an article sometimes but not 3 or 4 in a row day by day.

    An alternative is to post articles in a place like EzineArticles.com where they expect and want articles to be posted.

    I see 3 or 4 problems with what you've been posting here:

    1. You are posting in the wrong categories sometimes.

    2. You need to learn how to deal with positive and negative feedback.

    3. You use too much flowery (I don't even know the word to describe it) language. Somewhere you wrote about this "brave new digital world". Other posts just seem convoluted:

    Reason #5 – Have you ensured proper distribution channels?
    Learn from my bitter experience. I remember how frustrated I was because my LinkedIn articles failed to cause the wildfire sharing effect. What went wrong? With less than a hundred connections, I had to nerve to complain why my state-of-the-art writing fails to be noticed over and over again. My math was, I know a hundred people who know hundred more each. If they like, they will share, they will recommend. This was a theory. The real-life of viral shares can be quite different and merciless. Unless you don’t have an impressive network of literally thousands of people, I don’t recommend you to start a viral fight.
    Note: I know my English isn't perfect - nowhere close. But I do know when things are hard to read for me.

    4. You admit you have no/little experience and that you are basically a rewriter. This comes across loud and clear. Who are you to tell us how to get better search engine listings or get more sales or whatever? You don't have a clue yourself except in what you've read. I'm not saying this in a negative way - we all had to start somewhere.

    With some time, experience, and practice I believe you can turn this situation around and become a highly sought after writer here on the forum and a member that people are proud to have here. But you have to be willing to make some changes. If you keep doing what you've been doing you'll keep getting what you've been getting.

    Finally, don't get down on yourself. That's our job. LOL Just kidding.

    I've been a member here since 1999. Except for a couple longer breaks, I've pretty much been around checking the forum out regularly. I don't live here, though. I check in and answer a question or two I think I can help with. Recently, I wrote 3 longer posts. I would consider one a "success" - well received. One so-so. And one was a complete dud.

    My point? I've been here a long time and generally know how the community works, what they want, what will help, etc. But my results, while okay, were less than stellar. You don't have to hit a home run every time but if you NEVER do, then there may be a problem to fix. I sense you see that and that's why you posted this.


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  • Profile picture of the author violet0176
    If you fancy writing, start out at listverse and build a following. $100 per article.

    Write & Get Paid - Listverse
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Originally Posted by violet0176 View Post

      If you fancy writing, start out at listverse and build a following. $100 per article.

      Write & Get Paid - Listverse
      $100/article - only in my dreams, LOL.

      Thanks!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
        Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

        $100/article - only in my dreams, LOL.

        Thanks!!!
        This is the type of attitude that ruins a lot of writers. $100/article is actually VERY realistic. Plenty of people are more than willing to pay that much, or more, for quality content. The problem is, most writers go after low-hanging fruit - chasing clients who will only pay less than $10 per article. That's no way to make a living.
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        • Profile picture of the author neshaword
          Originally Posted by BradVert2013 View Post

          This is the type of attitude that ruins a lot of writers. $100/article is actually VERY realistic. Plenty of people are more than willing to pay that much, or more, for quality content. The problem is, most writers go after low-hanging fruit - chasing clients who will only pay less than $10 per article. That's no way to make a living.
          Brad,

          You leave me no choice than to say - you're right. Hate you for it. Why?

          There's this scale or hierarchy (hope I used the right terms), and this is exactly how a freelancer working for a $10/article feels when I'm walking in your shoes.

          Not to mention my colleague freelancers from India, Bangladesh and Pakistan who write one buck articles. Yet, I'm not afraid that these kinds of things will ruin the industry. I've seen articles written for a dollar, ten or hundred bucks. There's a difference and the clients are free to choose.

          I'm ashamed. This kind of defeatism is the wind under the wings of clients who want to pay less.

          Sometimes I just loose all hope. When a bank sends me a love letter, my writing price go down, down. Guess, you need to be a man, draw a line, say, I'm not gonna write for less than X dollars, end of story.

          Hate you, but you're right.

          Cheers,
          Nesha
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Burritt
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    Good share. Don't quit. Don't give up. Stay committed. Keep going. Persistence pays off.
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      No offence Jeff but have you read the crap this bloke is writing you would understand why the flaming
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      • Profile picture of the author neshaword
        Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

        No offence Jeff but have you read the crap this bloke is writing you would understand why the flaming
        Jason
        I stopped. Offered an honest apology. Start moving in the right direction.

        If that's not enough for some guys here, then this means they're helpless critics with no willingness to change. Will simply ignore them.

        Other warriors will be able to decide whether or not these attacks are justified.

        I feel the positive vibes and I'm gonna follow them. Won't look back at the "minority reports."

        Thanks for dropping by my thread.

        Appreciated.
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        • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
          First up this is not your thread or you could get rid of who you want from it ! This is a private forum and rules say anyone can reply just because you don't like it not really there concern

          May I suggest you go to the copywriters forum see how it's done , people on here treat their business as a business but I see you just think it is a joke the way you flippantly throw things about

          To me article have had there day time to move on to something new

          Jason
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          • Profile picture of the author neshaword
            OK. Now, after we were free to say what we wanted, let's move on, 'cause it's time to groove on...


            Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

            First up this is not your thread or you could get rid of who you want from it ! This is a private forum and rules say anyone can reply just because you don't like it not really there concern

            May I suggest you go to the copywriters forum see how it's done , people on here treat their business as a business but I see you just think it is a joke the way you flippantly throw things about

            To me article have had there day time to move on to something new

            Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
    Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

    I don't expect or ask for someone to take my hand here and show me how the job is done and money is made. But, I also didn't expect to be buried alive more than once.
    I didn't expect to read any words like these from you.

    After briefly reading a couple of your article posts I pretty much ignored everything you wrote.

    Perhaps you have sensed people don't want articles and do want discussions.

    Maybe engage and encourage discussion more with your posts and you will get on a better path.

    Best regards,

    Ozi
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Ozi,

      I'm done with my "article" phase, LOL.

      You can make people to love or respect you. I've realized, you could write articles all day long at the end of the day no one will read. Or, you can be honest. You can open up and see what happens.

      An article is a one-way street. Please tell me that you like it. That's not the right way to do it I enjoy discussions. I feel that somebody feels my words and reads my thoughts for a change.

      This is a therapy for me. The right kind of one I desperately need. This isn't LinkedIn. There people "communicate" through articles.

      I confessed my "article sins" and now I want to enjoy, LOL.

      Thx,
      Nesha


      Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

      I didn't expect to read any words like these from you.

      After briefly reading a couple of your article posts I pretty much ignored everything you wrote.

      Perhaps you have sensed people don't want articles and do want discussions.

      Maybe engage and encourage discussion more with your posts and you will get on a better path.

      Best regards,

      Ozi
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      • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
        Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

        Ozi,

        I'm done with my "article" phase, LOL.

        You can make people to love or respect you. I've realized, you could write articles all day long at the end of the day no one will read. Or, you can be honest. You can open up and see what happens.

        I confessed my "article sins" and now I want to enjoy, LOL.

        Thx,
        Nesha
        You are forgiven...

        Here's hoping you become one of the contributors who rebuild the forum and add benefits to forum members and visitors who come here looking for real help and advice.

        Kind regards,

        Ozi
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    I think if you'll ask specific questions you'll find people are willing to answer. But when you write articles that somewhat imply you already think you know everything it doesn't leave us much room to help you.

    I've been ghostwriting for over five years now. I try to pop in here every day or so and offer any input that I can. But I don't use this forum as my practice writing platform.

    People on the forum can seem harsh (some more than others) but most are honestly trying to help you learn how to participate in a forum in a way that will benefit you in the long run.

    Rose
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  • Profile picture of the author webmarke
    The problem as I see it is that the people who come here and simply post articles are not inspiring a conversation.

    Instead of thinking that it is the forum's fault for not accepting your articles as good content, you should realize this is a place for discussion and not a place to post articles.

    People read blogs and go to article directories when they want to read articles.

    They visit forums when they want to take place in a discussion.

    My advice to you would to write your articles in manner that encourages a discussion.

    #1 - Know one seems to want to read a lengthy article - Shorten your forum content.
    #2 - Leave room for discussions - State your opinion about a subject and ask the readers to share their opinion about the subject.


    What I will agree with you own is the true rudeness and down right bullying some forum members love to take part of.

    These people...You will never satisfy because they need to berate people to feel better about themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

    I know that life isn’t a movie, but what happened to good old musketeer’s principle:

    All for one and one for all?!

    I don’t expect or ask for someone to take my hand here and show me how the job is done and money is made. But, I also didn’t expect to be buried alive more than once.

    I was in the gym. It isn’t working, but I’m trying. There’s a guy showing me how it’s done. I needed to ask if he works there. I’m in no situation to afford a personal trainer. This guy didn’t have a job, but he didn’t lack a good will to help other people. So, I said, you did something good, I believe in Good Karma, you’re looking for a job, try some of the freelancing sites I’m working on, maybe it’s gonna work for you, maybe not, but try. He didn’t ask a thing in return, but I felt obliged to do something. A word of advice was all I could give at that moment.

    I was under heavy fire because of my articles. I’m a writer, or at least I’m trying to become one. This is the way I communicate. I write. If I was a musician, then I would play something on a guitar to introduce myself. I write. I don’t bite. But hey, if that’s the main problem, I’m not gonna do it. Now, can some of the warriors change their bully attitude? I don’t think so.

    My words are obviously falling on deaf ears. Yet, there’s no way I’m gonna stop believing in Good Karma. Musketeers have obviously become an extinct species. Yet, this doesn’t mean their principles and motto are gone too. At least not for me.




    You're writing for money with zero knowledge of the subjects.

    Reading blogs isn't helping you because most blogs especially in the SEO niche are full of crap trying to sell something related to SEO, even If it's only an email optin, they're still selling.

    You don't know a thing about SEO so stop writing about SEO. Write about a subject you know. Specialize in writing for a niche you know and understand from experience.

    You're articles, particularly the SEO articles are only giving you a bad reputation. They're a joke and it's very clear you've never ranked a webpage on Google SERPs.

    This isn't meant to be offensive, I'm trying to point you in the right direction.

    BTW, this is a forum, not an article directory. People go to forums for questions & answers, they participate with other forum members. Dropping an article and disappearing is not participation in the forum thread. It's spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Totally, totally agree!!

      If you have time just read some of the comments in this thread.

      Thank you!

      I've realized where I made the wrong turn. Now, I would like to see if some warriors can admit that they simply love to hate.

      There are no stupid warriors. So, as of this date please show me a single line I wrote that doesn't make any sense. I'm done with articles!! I'm done!!

      I will write about things I love. I can't never claim I know something. I can only say I tried something, here's my experience.

      You can tell when a warrior is telling the truth, can't you?

      Live long and prosper!

      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      You're writing for money with zero knowledge of the subjects.

      Reading blogs isn't helping you because most blogs especially in the SEO niche are full of crap trying to sell something related to SEO, even If it's only an email optin, they're still selling.

      You don't know a thing about SEO so stop writing about SEO. Write about a subject you know. Specialize in writing for a niche you know and understand from experience.

      You're articles, particularly the SEO articles are only giving you a bad reputation. They're a joke and it's very clear you've never ranked a webpage on Google SERPs.

      This isn't meant to be offensive, I'm trying to point you in the right direction.

      BTW, this is a forum, not an article directory. People go to forums for questions & answers, they participate with other forum members. Dropping an article and disappearing is not participation in the forum thread. It's spam.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
        Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

        I've realized where I made the wrong turn. Now, I would like to see if some warriors can admit that they simply love to hate.
        The people that I would consider haters are very few. It's only a handful or two of people that are negative about everything. I think you rubbed people the wrong way because of some of the things mentioned above. But that's hopefully all over now and we can have a fresh start.

        There are no stupid warriors. So, as of this date please show me a single line I wrote that doesn't make any sense. I'm done with articles!! I'm done!!
        Can you translate this for me?

        Mark,
        Perception is a bitch and vanity is Al Pacino’s favorite sin.
        My ex-girlfriend. Long time no see. She is divorced with a blue-eyed bag ten-year-old or something. She has a degree in English literature and German language. Unemployed. Back to her parents. I was like wtf is wrong with you. Get online. You would be a killer freelance writer. You could do some proofreading for me. Together we can do some translations. She was like, I work in the dance school. This is my life. I was – speechless. You know it, if you are ok, then I am happy for you.
        You have seen my profile picture. I am beautiful, no matter what you think. However, when it comes to other things I can hold my ego horses. I am not smart, I want you to tell me that I am smart. My writing sucks, prove me wrong. I have seen so many smart idiots. They will never change. You are your own worst enemy, I cannot help you my friend.
        I am desperately trying to lose some weight. Why? Because, when I am in a gym I see an athlete in the mirror not a fatty guy. Perception is a bitch.
        The question of all questions that keeps me haunting to this day.
        If you are smart, how come you are not rich? Not filthy rich, moderately rich, lol.
        Cheers,
        Nesha
        Do you talk to people like this in your everyday conversation? Some people teach that we should write more like we talk so the writing comes across in a more conversational tone.

        Mark
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        • Profile picture of the author neshaword
          There are no stupid warriors. So, as of this date please show me a single line I wrote that doesn't make any sense. I'm done with articles!! I'm done!!

          Can you translate this for me?


          People can tell when you're being honest. So, as of yesterday, if I don't have something to say/ask honestly, I'm not gonna say it at all. So, warriors can easily check, if I'm back in the "article" phase, LOL.

          Do you talk to people like this in your everyday conversation? Some people teach that we should write more like we talk so the writing comes across in a more conversational tone.


          The golden rule of writing. It correlates with the so-called readability score. If you write in a conversational tone, your readability rocks. Very simple and obvious. So, that's my way from now on.
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  • Profile picture of the author EPoltrack77
    Perfect! We can not start at the end result. Does not matter what it is. Monies, your goals, your plans....

    We need to optimize the process. Learn and do better.

    The small things.

    Most importantly...

    HAVE FUN!
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Nesha, this is far and away the best thread you've had since you arrived. It's you, communicating honestly, not trying to teach something you know nothing about. Now that it's YOU posting, and not that writer fella, welcome.

    Oh, and don't get too down on yourself. You aren't the first one to try establishing yourself by posting generic advice. You're just one of the few to acknowledge where you went wrong.

    It's an excellent start...
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  • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
    I've realized where I made the wrong turn. Now, I would like to see if some warriors can admit that they simply love to hate.

    There are no stupid warriors. So, as of this date please show me a single line I wrote that doesn't make any sense. I'm done with articles!! I'm done!!
    This thread shows that IN PART you get what so many people have been trying to tell you.

    The part you appear to get is that Warrior Forum is not a place to post articles, especially articles that are based on no personal or professional experience - merely research.

    So far so good.

    But in the passage I highlighted (and in many other posts) you appear to have a desperate need for praise. That does not bode well, and you should take a look at that as well.

    What works here is to enter into discussions with curiosity and humility.

    I have been in business for myself for 35 years, and nearly every day I learn something from forum exchanges. That is why I stick around and contribute.

    Disagreement is normal. It's good. It's helpful. Criticism is not a sign of being a "hater," whatever that is.

    We are not here to tell you that you are smart or interesting. So as you go forward, take your ego out of the picture, please. Then you will be truly making a fresh start.

    Marcia Yudkin
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"
      Matthew 7:3-5


      Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

      This thread shows that IN PART you get what so many people have been trying to tell you.

      The part you appear to get is that Warrior Forum is not a place to post articles, especially articles that are based on no personal or professional experience - merely research.

      So far so good.

      But in the passage I highlighted (and in many other posts) you appear to have a desperate need for praise. That does not bode well, and you should take a look at that as well.

      What works here is to enter into discussions with curiosity and humility.

      I have been in business for myself for 35 years, and nearly every day I learn something from forum exchanges. That is why I stick around and contribute.

      Disagreement is normal. It's good. It's helpful. Criticism is not a sign of being a "hater," whatever that is.

      We are not here to tell you that you are smart or interesting. So as you go forward, take your ego out of the picture, please. Then you will be truly making a fresh start.

      Marcia Yudkin
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Seriously? In spite of the "new attitude" you don't get it. You just keep digging...

    You don't seem to understand the positive things people say.
    ...but you are quick to pounce on anything you think is critical.
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    I wish offended people would react like fainting goats and quietly tip over.
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      A true knight always stands for a lady. Understandable.

      If this is "positive," I can only imagine how negative according to your criteria must look like.

      Save your breathes you two. Definitely not worthy of my comments and time in the future.

      Live long and prosper.

      N

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Seriously? In spite of the "new attitude" you don't get it. You just keep digging...

      You don't seem to understand the positive things people say.
      ...but you are quick to pounce on anything you think is critical.
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      • Profile picture of the author danieldesai
        Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

        "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"
        Matthew 7:3-5
        Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

        If this is "positive," I can only imagine how negative according to your criteria must look like.
        Actually, the reply Marcia gave to this thread IS positive and helpful, if you view it from a point where you're not taking it personally.

        Somehow, you didn't seem to notice or grasp her obvious (obvious to me, anyway) intentions to steer you in the right direction:

        Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

        This thread shows that IN PART you get what so many people have been trying to tell you.

        The part you appear to get is that Warrior Forum is not a place to post articles, especially articles that are based on no personal or professional experience - merely research.

        So far so good.

        But in the passage I highlighted (and in many other posts) you appear to have a desperate need for praise. That does not bode well, and you should take a look at that as well.

        What works here is to enter into discussions with curiosity and humility.

        I have been in business for myself for 35 years, and nearly every day I learn something from forum exchanges. That is why I stick around and contribute.

        Disagreement is normal. It's good. It's helpful. Criticism is not a sign of being a "hater," whatever that is.

        We are not here to tell you that you are smart or interesting. So as you go forward, take your ego out of the picture, please. Then you will be truly making a fresh start.

        Marcia Yudkin
        Look at the last 2 lines Marcia left, "So as you go forward, take your ego out of the picture, please. Then you will be truly making a fresh start."

        You ignored her advice, and proceeded to let your ego make you look bad:

        Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

        Save your breathes you two. Definitely not worthy of my comments and time in the future.

        Nesha, I'm not your enemy, and neither are Kay or Marcia (or most of the other people who replied to this thread).

        I'll reiterate some points that others have left before, and I'll keep it concise:

        - Encourage discussion and not dump articles (which you've acknowledged, so good on you).

        - Enter discussions with humility.

        - Understand that not all criticism is an attack, it's just people being incredibly blunt about why they disagree with something.

        - Drop any ego (and you can start by admitting to yourself that Kay and Marcia were just being helpful).


        Nesha, I wish you the best and I remain hopeful that you'll come to realize how things work around here, and you'll stick around to become a valuable and long-standing contributor.

        Keep your chin up, and take note of how things went down in this thread... you'll be fine once you understand this.


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  • Profile picture of the author davntt
    I also believe in Good Karma. But I am NEVER stop believing in it. Just believe it once more time. Out there has a lot of sources to improve your writing skill but all is up to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author PatrickTaylor1
    Neeshaword,

    What are you talking about?

    This is a great group of folks. Overall, this is a great place to get questions answered and get a LOT of free information and guidance.

    No one is getting paid to answer questions on the forum. We're here to learn and to help pull each other up by the bootstraps, so to speak.

    I'm really not sure what exactly it is you're taking offense to here.

    My advice is to develop a bit thicker skin, heed the advice of the seasoned pros here, do some searches to find the info you need to help you on your way, and contribute in a positive way to the community.

    I think if you do this, you will experience exactly what you experience in the gym.

    For my part, I can say that I have been helped immensely just by "lurking" in the chat threads, and studying from some of the best in the world who give their time freely here.

    All the best my friend,

    Pat
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  • Profile picture of the author gingerninjas
    Is it just me or is anyone just following along and having a giggle at this? On a serious note, this Forum has been incredibly supportive over the past 5 weeks that I have been a member. No information is too silly or too minor to discuss and everyone is really interested in sharing their experience. If the 'Forum' element is focused on it's a super valuable resource. Nesha, I know you're passionate, that is obvious and I do hope you can get as much out of the forum as I have.
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
    Just one share but I could add many.

    A warrior we all know (and honestly I only knew from the cool posts she creates) gave me some advice as I rejoined the forum recently and it was more like a if you even expect me to take you seriously you will do this advice and it literally made me serious money in a very short time I would not have made otherwise. Recent stuff.

    I try to model myself from people like that.

    The Warrior Forum still Rocks.

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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Originally Posted by Profit Traveler View Post


      A warrior we all know (and honestly I only knew from the cool posts she creates) gave me some advice as I rejoined the forum recently and it was more like a if you even expect me to take you seriously you will do this advice and it literally made me serious money in a very short time I would not have made otherwise. Recent stuff.
      Art,

      You talk in riddles, lol. Can you be a little bit more precise. I would definitely like to know more. And, you also said "rejoined," what do you mean? You were gone and now you're back. Like you had a pause or your deleted or something and then created the account again. This is a story I wanna hear. Put it here, or post a new thread, but don't keep me in the dark. Maybe there are some more warriors dying to hear it.

      Thx in advance,
      Nehsa
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  • Profile picture of the author Gallag97
    if you enjoy writing, then go and start a book on the sideline of work.
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  • Profile picture of the author 431cruiser
    @ OP: I have not been a member very long, but have visited this site many times for information - reading old and current threads. Just studying and trying to take it all in before I shift to higher gears with some of my online businesses.

    Online businesses include a few ecommerce stores, writing, and AM. AM tips and advice is what keeps bringing me back here as I am only a year into it. It seems almost every search result is a thread from the forums here, which shows how much activity there is here. Good for the website, but not necessarily good for the fresh meat.

    I used Upwork as a place to develop my following and while there are many third-world writers who will bid and gladly accept a few dollars for a few hundred words, you do not have to do the same. It is easy to spot an article written by someone whose native language is not English. I built a client base and I bid what I want using my feedback, portfolio, and reputation as leverage to get the job. I do not get every one in which I bid, but I do not want every one of them.

    So go there and work on your writing, customer base, or whatever you desire as there are numerous categories. Write about SEO if you want; do not let the people here discourage you. When I wrote my first SEO article, I was still learning. Fortunately, I had an interest in it long before I began writing about it, so it wasn't totally Greek to me. Eventually, I found my own niche (a field in which I have never worked) where I write more frequently, but I also write many SEO articles in between the niche articles. When someone tells you that you cannot do something, use it as motivation. I find the grammar and spelling of those critiquing your writing skills and tone of your articles amusing.

    There has never been a more accurate statement than was stated by one of the members:

    'What I will agree with you own is the true rudeness and down right bullying some forum members love to take part of.

    These people...You will never satisfy because they need to berate people to feel better about themselves.'


    I come here to read, but I would never ask a question because every thread that I have read where someone asked for help had numerous responses just as you described and as quoted above, very little help, and plenty of discouragement. I have thick skin, thanks to years of sales and customer service experience when I had a 9 to 5; I do not have the time to waste sorting through negativity to find the "help".

    I have been successful throughout my life because of people, even my negative dad, always telling me that I could not do something. I can do anything I want and have the patience and intelligence to read, study, and figure it out (if I do not know how), then the balls to execute. You and anyone else who gets bullied and judged here can do the same. You have to believe in yourself and not give a #### about what others say.

    The attitude that I sense here is that the "new generation", as a WF member in another thread called those aspiring to become AMs, is moving onto our turf - turf being AM, your writing, one's product, or anything else that can be deemed as competition. New entrepreneurs are not going to be competition for awhile and they know this. Still, some try to push back. Because they have the experience, they love to critique and can. In a real life experience, they are probably very meek, polite, passive people.

    So, I'm telling you to keep writing but find another place to do it so that you are not discouraged to the point that you think you do not have the skill. Everyone has the skill; everyone needs to keep honing those skills just as a major league pitcher throws every day.

    My perception is that everyone here thinks they are a moderator and they want to be the first to criticize, but 9 or 10 others beat them to it, resulting in a thread of negativity. I sense people lurking like buzzards on a tree limb waiting for road kill, so that they can degrade and belittle new members and discourage them from their endeavors. However, in the midst of all the "you screwed up" comments are some secure people who are not afraid to help. Many thanks to them.

    People are quick to tell others to grow a list, yet they know very little about growing a forum of "new generation" members.
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Ecce Homo!!

      The 2nd time I've said it since I joined the WF. Almost a decade in sales, also. Lovely health killing experience. First Elance, then I had to move to Upwork. Had some oDesk experience, so I said, it's OK. Then, Upwork backstabbed me with a 20% fee, and I was like, move on 'cause it's time to groove on. Now, I'm working on Freelancer. This is how I found out about WF. You and very few other guys I met here make it for all the pain to be worthy.

      Good Karma - every now and then I deserve an encouragement such as this one.

      Cheers!
      Nesha

      Originally Posted by 431cruiser View Post

      @ OP: I have not been a member very long, but have visited this site many times for information - reading old and current threads. Just studying and trying to take it all in before I shift to higher gears with some of my online businesses.

      Online businesses include a few ecommerce stores, writing, and AM. AM tips and advice is what keeps bringing me back here as I am only a year into it. It seems almost every search result is a thread from the forums here, which shows how much activity there is here. Good for the website, but not necessarily good for the fresh meat.

      I used Upwork as a place to develop my following and while there are many third-world writers who will bid and gladly accept a few dollars for a few hundred words, you do not have to do the same. It is easy to spot an article written by someone whose native language is not English. I built a client base and I bid what I want using my feedback, portfolio, and reputation as leverage to get the job. I do not get every one in which I bid, but I do not want every one of them.

      So go there and work on your writing, customer base, or whatever you desire as there are numerous categories. Write about SEO if you want; do not let the people here discourage you. When I wrote my first SEO article, I was still learning. Fortunately, I had an interest in it long before I began writing about it, so it wasn't totally Greek to me. Eventually, I found my own niche (a field in which I have never worked) where I write more frequently, but I also write many SEO articles in between the niche articles. When someone tells you that you cannot do something, use it as motivation. I find the grammar and spelling of those critiquing your writing skills and tone of your articles amusing.

      There has never been a more accurate statement than was stated by one of the members:

      'What I will agree with you own is the true rudeness and down right bullying some forum members love to take part of.

      These people...You will never satisfy because they need to berate people to feel better about themselves.'


      I come here to read, but I would never ask a question because every thread that I have read where someone asked for help had numerous responses just as you described and as quoted above, very little help, and plenty of discouragement. I have thick skin, thanks to years of sales and customer service experience when I had a 9 to 5; I do not have the time to waste sorting through negativity to find the "help".

      I have been successful throughout my life because of people, even my negative dad, always telling me that I could not do something. I can do anything I want and have the patience and intelligence to read, study, and figure it out (if I do not know how), then the balls to execute. You and anyone else who gets bullied and judged here can do the same. You have to believe in yourself and not give a #### about what others say.

      The attitude that I sense here is that the "new generation", as a WF member in another thread called those aspiring to become AMs, is moving onto our turf - turf being AM, your writing, one's product, or anything else that can be deemed as competition. New entrepreneurs are not going to be competition for awhile and they know this. Still, some try to push back. Because they have the experience, they love to critique and can. In a real life experience, they are probably very meek, polite, passive people.

      So, I'm telling you to keep writing but find another place to do it so that you are not discouraged to the point that you think you do not have the skill. Everyone has the skill; everyone needs to keep honing those skills just as a major league pitcher throws every day.

      My perception is that everyone here thinks they are a moderator and they want to be the first to criticize, but 9 or 10 others beat them to it, resulting in a thread of negativity. I sense people lurking like buzzards on a tree limb waiting for road kill, so that they can degrade and belittle new members and discourage them from their endeavors. However, in the midst of all the "you screwed up" comments are some secure people who are not afraid to help. Many thanks to them.

      People are quick to tell others to grow a list, yet they know very little about growing a forum of "new generation" members.
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by 431cruiser View Post

      @ OP: I have not been a member very long, but have visited this site many times for information - reading old and current threads. Just studying and trying to take it all in before I shift to higher gears with some of my online businesses.

      Online businesses include a few ecommerce stores, writing, and AM. AM tips and advice is what keeps bringing me back here as I am only a year into it. It seems almost every search result is a thread from the forums here, which shows how much activity there is here. Good for the website, but not necessarily good for the fresh meat.

      I used Upwork as a place to develop my following and while there are many third-world writers who will bid and gladly accept a few dollars for a few hundred words, you do not have to do the same. It is easy to spot an article written by someone whose native language is not English. I built a client base and I bid what I want using my feedback, portfolio, and reputation as leverage to get the job. I do not get every one in which I bid, but I do not want every one of them.

      So go there and work on your writing, customer base, or whatever you desire as there are numerous categories. Write about SEO if you want; do not let the people here discourage you. When I wrote my first SEO article, I was still learning. Fortunately, I had an interest in it long before I began writing about it, so it wasn't totally Greek to me. Eventually, I found my own niche (a field in which I have never worked) where I write more frequently, but I also write many SEO articles in between the niche articles. When someone tells you that you cannot do something, use it as motivation. I find the grammar and spelling of those critiquing your writing skills and tone of your articles amusing.

      There has never been a more accurate statement than was stated by one of the members:

      'What I will agree with you own is the true rudeness and down right bullying some forum members love to take part of.

      These people...You will never satisfy because they need to berate people to feel better about themselves.'


      I come here to read, but I would never ask a question because every thread that I have read where someone asked for help had numerous responses just as you described and as quoted above, very little help, and plenty of discouragement. I have thick skin, thanks to years of sales and customer service experience when I had a 9 to 5; I do not have the time to waste sorting through negativity to find the "help".

      I have been successful throughout my life because of people, even my negative dad, always telling me that I could not do something. I can do anything I want and have the patience and intelligence to read, study, and figure it out (if I do not know how), then the balls to execute. You and anyone else who gets bullied and judged here can do the same. You have to believe in yourself and not give a #### about what others say.

      The attitude that I sense here is that the "new generation", as a WF member in another thread called those aspiring to become AMs, is moving onto our turf - turf being AM, your writing, one's product, or anything else that can be deemed as competition. New entrepreneurs are not going to be competition for awhile and they know this. Still, some try to push back. Because they have the experience, they love to critique and can. In a real life experience, they are probably very meek, polite, passive people.

      So, I'm telling you to keep writing but find another place to do it so that you are not discouraged to the point that you think you do not have the skill. Everyone has the skill; everyone needs to keep honing those skills just as a major league pitcher throws every day.

      My perception is that everyone here thinks they are a moderator and they want to be the first to criticize, but 9 or 10 others beat them to it, resulting in a thread of negativity. I sense people lurking like buzzards on a tree limb waiting for road kill, so that they can degrade and belittle new members and discourage them from their endeavors. However, in the midst of all the "you screwed up" comments are some secure people who are not afraid to help. Many thanks to them.

      People are quick to tell others to grow a list, yet they know very little about growing a forum of "new generation" members.
      Just to clarify

      https://www.warriorforum.com/main-in...moderator.html
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      • Profile picture of the author neshaword
        Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

        Thx for this useful clarification, which gives me a nice idea. This can actually be the next thread. Do we need a bully button on WF, while we already have anti-spam buttons? It is lovely to have loyal warriors, but without the newbie warriors this forum won't grow. It will the same forever. Things that don't change, don't end up well. Regards to all warriors with good intentions! Cheers! Nesha
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

          Thx for this useful clarification, which gives me a nice idea. This can actually be the next thread. Do we need a bully button on WF, while we already have anti-spam buttons? It is lovely to have loyal warriors, but without the newbie warriors this forum won't grow. It will the same forever. Things that don't change, don't end up well. Regards to all warriors with good intentions! Cheers! Nesha
          If you believe that blowing smoke up someone's ass by telling exactly want they want to hear, as opposed to what they need to hear makes you a warrior with 'good intentions' then you know nothing about IM, building a business or life in general.

          Playing 'devil's advocate' and pointing out the possible missteps, delusional thinking and potential disaster that can befall someone by simply telling them to "believe in themselves and never give up and you will be assured of great success" is the responsibility of knowledgeable members of this or any other forum. Refuting 'pie-in-the-sky' platitudes is an important part of being a voice of reason in a world filled with psycho-babble claptrap.

          You can build a list, rinse and repeat, scale it up, believe in yourself, visualize your dreams, never give up, seek out a mentor, or any one of a hundred different suggestions you will find in the "How do I make a Million $$" threads and still wind-up broke, dejected and hopeless.

          If this were not a fact then everyone could simply subscribe to these precepts and be assured of great wealth from business success, yet somehow this is rarely the case. Why is that? I'll tell you why. Because no matter how much drivel you spew, if you don't have a viable business plan, a fair degree of knowledge, a strong-work ethic - which means actually doing the work required, not simply believing in yourself and good business sense, then you are destined for failure.

          Pointing this out is NOT being negative. It's being pragmatic, realistic, honest and ultimately kind. When I see newbies with no actual experience or success under their belts, denigrating the thoughtful, heartfelt, if occasionally blunt and what some consider cruel-sounding opinions of people that oftentimes have upwards of 40 or 50 years of actual real-world experience resulting in measurable financial success, I am left shaking my head in disbelief. That so many will put the trite and laughable bromides presented by many, above the experience and advice offered by those that truly know what is required is sad beyond comprehension.

          If you are NOT successful in your endeavors then it is time to examine just who it is you are listening to. If you believe the hype that '"anyone can make it if you just believe in yourself and never give up" then you deserve to be a failure in life and that is all you ever will be.

          Listening to people that have done nothing, have nothing and will never have anything beyond the smug satisfaction of believing that they are helping people when the opposite is true, will guarantee that you will never be a successful warrior. You will always be a chump and when you place your hand in your pocket the only thing you will ever find is 'chump change.'

          Good luck with that.

          If you think this post is negative, it's time to reevaluate your perspective, because yours is totally warped and is what is more than likely holding you back from your own success.

          Cheers. - Frank
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          • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            You will always be a chump and when you place your hand in your pocket the only thing you will ever find is 'chump change.'
            Thanks Frank

            Although I've heard the expression and instinctively know it's meaning your post made me go and look for the origins of "chump change".

            Whether this definition is the real derivative who knows...

            Where Did the Expression "Chump Change" Come From

            Best regards,

            Ozi
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            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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              Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

              Thanks Frank
              My, pleasure. lol
              Although I've heard the expression and instinctively know it's meaning your post made me go and look for the origins of "chump change".
              I applaud your intellectual curiosity. :-)
              Whether this definition is the real derivative who knows...
              "The phrase "chump change" first popped up in the mid-20th century,"

              I hate dating myself, but . . . . . .that appears to be spot-on.Cheers,

              Frank
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
          1. We have a bully button. It's the red triangle on the left bottom of each post. If you feel bullied, you can use that to report the post to the moderators who will decide if it's bullying or just real life good advice that may come across the wrong way.

          2. I forget who mentioned that people around here need to have a thicker skin sometimes. You may want to look into it. Some of those saying the forum is full of bullies are themselves full of negativity when they want to. Go with the flow. Don't let anyone here get you upset. Do your business despite what anyone says.

          You've already said you want to have a new start. Starting it by asking about the bully button doesn't seem like the way to go but that's just me. Since you made the change from the articles, I haven't noticed any bullying or even much negativity but then again I don't read everything and I'm not you so maybe you feel something I don't.

          Mark

          Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

          Thx for this useful clarification, which gives me a nice idea. This can actually be the next thread. Do we need a bully button on WF, while we already have anti-spam buttons? It is lovely to have loyal warriors, but without the newbie warriors this forum won't grow. It will the same forever. Things that don't change, don't end up well. Regards to all warriors with good intentions! Cheers! Nesha
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve B
            Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

            2. I forget who mentioned that people around here need to have a thicker skin sometimes. You may want to look into it. Some of those saying the forum is full of bullies are themselves full of negativity when they want to. Go with the flow. Don't let anyone here get you upset. Do your business despite what anyone says.

            Excellent advice for every small business owner . . .
            1. "people around here need to have a thicker skin sometimes"
            2. "Some of those saying the forum is full of bullies are themselves full of negativity"
            3. "Go with the flow"
            4. "Don't let anyone here get you upset"
            5. "Do your business despite what anyone says"
            Have a productive day!

            Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
    haha, something happened to my ability in regard to posting videos

    man, sometimes i think i'm back in elemantary school

    i would like to speak to a mod, please send me a PM
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    Thx for this useful clarification, which gives me a nice idea. This can actually be the next thread. Do we need a bully button on WF, while we already have anti-spam buttons? It is lovely to have loyal warriors, but without the newbie warriors this forum won't grow. It will the same forever. Things that don't change, don't end up well. Regards to all warriors with good intentions! Cheers! Nesha
    An online dictionary defines "bullying" as "using superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants."

    No one is trying to intimidate you here, and certainly no one is trying to force you to do anything. Various people are simply saying things that you are not ready to hear.

    It appears that you believe that "good intentions" means saying nice things and giving you pats on the back and "bullying" means saying things that upset you.

    Enforcing that interpretation of "bullying" would clearly make any forum useless.

    Maybe what would serve you better at this point in your career would be a support group.

    Marcia Yudkin
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    So when you post things that are untrue, false, and are clearly posting from a point of view devoid of any practical experience, we should all just sit back and say, "Good job! Great post."???

    That would do more harm than good.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

            Freelancer/WF is encouraging the article blasting, it's not our call. Constructive criticism is one thing, continued harassment on the threads by the same few members is another.
            Yes, I understand that. But as long as there are people posting articles about things they clearly have no experience in, you are going to find members providing feedback on those articles, some harsher than others.

            I don't think anyone has gone over the line with name calling or anything like that.

            It would be nice if they sought out writers with practical experience in what they are writing about.

            I don't know exactly what you do Don, but I know it is something with graphic design. Wouldn't you be a little bit bothered if articles started popping up like "10 things every graphic designer must know" and it was clearly written by someone that didn't even know how to properly crop an image?

            That is basically what is going on.
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                LMAO --> I guess you have not read many of the OP's threads, eh? This OP has been called a straight up plagiarizer on threads where the article posted was 100% copysafe...and then the attack brigade followed along cheerfully.
                Yeah, I was talking about what I saw in this thread, and the criticism being discussed here.

                Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                Yeah, you know I have been a proponent of Warrior Champions, and you also know this subject has been discussed at length on the now deleted 400 post threads titled "Is WF an Article Directory" or similar.
                Well, to be fair, most of that thread wasn't actually about that topic after page one or two. FL never really weighed in fully other than to say the articles are going to continue as is. They did not discuss any of our concerns or ideas in that thread or others.

                Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                Actually, I am a stock photographer with a million image personal library. I am also a photo artist, and I have purchased hundreds of domains, and have built and maintained dozens of image related websites. Yes, images are my business, but graphic design is not something I care to do.

                I provide image assets to graphic designers, bloggers, webmasters,newspapers, books, magazines etc. I've been published worldwide, and if you have taken an advanced HS or biology course you may have seen a shot of mine during your studies.
                I actually studied microbiology through college, so yeah I might have seen something. Granted, it's been 16-17 years now, and those damn science books like to put out a new edition every year. I should have started a business buying a selling student books on a college campus. Talk about a profitable business.

                "Here is your biology book for $225. The class only uses the new edition, so you cannot buy it used. Oh, and we will not buy it back at the end of the semester because there will be another new edition."

                Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                It depends on the context. I read image and copyright bull jargon that is 100% false on Warrior Forum threads on a daily or a weekly basis . It's nothing new for WF or for WF "contributors" in general to post information on something that they do not have a clue about.
                Sure. But it is a little different when people are being paid/recruiting by WF to do it, don't you think?

                Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                Again, as I have made it perfectly clear on several threads now. This article thing is a WF/FL project and personally I am giving it 90 days to see what the overall effect is. I have also stated that I think some decent insight can be gleamed from some of those threads depending on what other information is contained within via normal forum replies.
                Maybe. We'll see. I have not seen anything impressive from it so far, and the threads that do promote any sort of conversation are generally unproductive.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                    Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                    My first or second post to the article thread was something to the effect ---> If the blaster haters would lay off a little bit it may help. <--- If all the threads are destroyed or derailed by opponents of the article blasters of course the program is probably not going to succeed.
                    It could just as easily be stated that if the quality was better, there would be nothing to blast them about.

                    Not to mention, most of the posters never revisit the threads to answer questions when they are asked. I tried in a few different threads. Got nothing from them. So they are not doing a very good job at promoting discussions in that regard.
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                      • Profile picture of the author dburk
                        Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                        All I know is I stated this on page 1 of the 400-500 reply article thread





                        I am still seeing it pretty much the the same way.
                        So, using a well known forum killing technique, article dumping, in a desperate attempt to save a forum in steep decline, is that what you are hanging your hat on?

                        Some sort of "forum chemotherapy", if you will, killing off the discussions so that you can rebuild WF as a healthy article directory. Hoping that the cancer of discussions are successfully killed off and replaced with a healthy ecosystem of articles and commenters?

                        I see your point.

                        That's a great idea if you are actually trying to kill off discussions and replace them with articles and comments. I just don't know how you are going to fight off the comment spam which probably has more to do with the decline than anything else, except all of the broken forum features.

                        I does make sense to "break" all of the useful forum features that aid in discussions if your goal is to kill off the discussions. I'm beginning to see the strategy, it all makes sense now. If that were the goal then they seem to be right on track.

                        First, break all of the features that make the forum easy and useful to use, then in response to the steep decline in member participation, go ahead and kill off all the remainder of the members and turn the whole thing over to article dumpers. Brilliant (assuming that was the goal).

                        Off to write the next great WF post: 101 Ways To Make Money With Cricket Farms.
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                        • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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                          Originally Posted by dburk View Post

                          So, using a well known forum killing technique, article dumping, in a desperate attempt to save a forum in steep decline, is that what you are hanging your hat on?
                          Nope. I guess you missed the words *tiny*, *may* , *90 days*, and many others in those two posts.

                          Some sort of "forum chemotherapy", if you will, killing off the discussions so that you can rebuild WF as a healthy article directory.
                          Killing off forum discussion is not part of the plan. We have had plenty of discussions on why the forum has been declining --> I think you may have missed most of those.

                          Hoping that the cancer of discussions are successfully killed off and replaced with a healthy ecosystem of articles and commenters?
                          I think you have missed the point...the forum had become a forum filled with "howd can I makes one tousand bucks tomirow" threads and sig and link spammers posting one-liners.

                          The cancer was the loss of long time contributors, vendors, and traffic...article blasting is an attempt at lessening the decline.

                          I see your point.
                          I beg to differ, I don't think you do.

                          That's a great idea if you are actually trying to kill off discussions and replace them with articles and comments.
                          I'm not sure where you got the idea that discussions are trying to be killed off. Exactly the opposite, the articles are intended to spur discussion, and add some content different than the one and two liners have been adding.

                          I just don't know how you are going to fight off the comment spam which probably has more to do with the decline than anything else, except all of the broken forum features
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                          The lack of spam control has been discussed ad nauseam for the past two years...they are finally starting to get a little better with it. That said, generally speaking, weekdays are better than weekends.

                          I does make sense to "break" all of the useful forum features that aid in discussions if your goal is to kill off the discussions. I'm beginning to see the strategy, it all makes sense now. If that were the goal then they seem to be right on track.
                          Again, killing off discussions is something you or someone else brought up, not I.

                          First, break all of the features that make the forum easy and useful to use, then in response to the steep decline in member participation, go ahead and kill off all the remainder of the members and turn the whole thing over to article dumpers. Brilliant (assuming that was the goal).
                          I think you must have read another thread or post, nobody that I know is advocating any of that.
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                          • Profile picture of the author dburk
                            Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                            Killing off forum discussion is not part of the plan. We have had plenty of discussions on why the forum has been declining --> I think you may have missed most of those.
                            Granted, I may have missed most of those discussions, because I got tired of coming here and finding almost no discussions save a few in the off topic forum.

                            Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                            I think you have missed the point...the forum had become a forum filled with "howd can I makes one tousand bucks tomirow" threads and sig and link spammers posting one-liners.
                            Indeed that problem has plague this forum for all the many years I have visited. For most of those years those who post such nonsense were drummed out by senior forum members, much to the applause of most members.

                            The problems go much deeper than that.

                            Since the current owners have taken over the forum many of the most useful features have been removed or simply broken and never fixed. Each of these neglected features have made the forum less user friendly and evermore frustrating to use.

                            I think we all know features I am referring to but just incase you don't here is a partial list:
                            • Previously visited thread links no longer distinguishable.
                            • Subscribe threads indicator was missing for a while and then replaced with a much less prominent indicator
                            • view last post button removed, replace with a less prominent ">" that is now broken for a long time.
                            • thread post links broken and never fixed
                            • view next unread post link broken and never fixed
                            • Account remember me logins broken and not fixed for days.

                            I think a lot of people just stopped coming because all the features that made this a standout forum are mostly all broken now. They must have thought the new owners of the forum don't give a rats patootie about keeping the forum in decent working order.

                            Can you explain why this forum has fallen into so much disrepair and neglect?

                            Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                            The cancer was the loss of long time contributors, vendors, and traffic...article blasting is an attempt at lessening the decline.
                            I disagree, that is the symptom, not the cause. They left "because" of the cancer, the cancer of neglect and disrepair.

                            How can you expect people to stay around for very long or visit very often when the forum is in such a state of neglect?

                            The "article blasting" is just another example of neglectful abuse of this forum.


                            Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                            I'm not sure where you got the idea that discussions are trying to be killed off. Exactly the opposite, the articles are intended to spur discussion, and add some content different than the one and two liners have been adding.
                            Because discussion are being killed off by the blasted article dumping. There have been article dumping attacks on this forum several times in the past, the old timers can vouch for this. Each time the Article dumping started up traffic dropped off the previous owner pinpointed the source "article dumping" warned members and banned them if they didn't immediately discontinue the abuse of the forum.

                            Now you imply that the forum operators are the ones that are perpetrating the article dumping attack on their own forum. Well hells bells, I don't know what to say to that kind of self-sabotage. They couldn't possible be that stupid, so it must be part of their strategy to kill off the discussion so that they can convert WF into an article directory. Nothing else makes sense.

                            Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                            The lack of spam control has been discussed ad nauseam for the past two years...they are finally starting to get a little better with it. That said, generally speaking, weekdays are better than weekends.
                            The spam has always been with us, that hasn't really changed that much. It isn't more spam than before, it just that so many formerly active members have stopped coming around because it is so much less enjoyable with all the broken features that have been neglectfully left, rotting away the membership to the point that the usually amount spam now makes up most of the posts on the forum.

                            And I have to say for someone that goes by the Handle "ForumGuru", you might be under qualified to use that around here. Just saying How could you be a forum guru and not see what is so damned obvious? Article dumping is a discussion killing practice, it always has been in the past and is certainly holding true today. The only real discussion it brings is about how much it is hated be active members.
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                            • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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                              Originally Posted by dburk View Post

                              Since the current owners have taken over the forum many of the most useful features have been removed or simply broken and never fixed. Each of these neglected features have made the forum less user friendly and evermore frustrating to use.
                              I have been one of the most vocal on here over the past three years to get broken features fixed. If one thinks back, many of the the forum's search features were hosed badly at times prior to FL taking over, downtime was getting worse, and page loads were becoming less fun.

                              I think we all know features I am referring to but just in-case you don't here is a partial list:
                              While I don't care to check every feature you listed at the moment, I do know they have been fixing some bugs and broken features relatively quickly if you post the problem in the suggestions section. They have fixed several issues I have reported recently, give it a try.

                              That said, I appreciate some of the features FL has added to the forum. Especially the thread selection options available on feed view.



                              I also like the notifications feature.



                              I think a lot of people just stopped coming because all the features that made this a standout forum are mostly all broken now. They must have thought the new owners of the forum don't give a rats patootie about keeping the forum in decent working order.
                              Things seem to be changing. Alaister is gone and bugs reports are getting acted on. Call your friends back in and tell them to make a report and we will see how fast it gets acted upon.

                              Can you explain why this forum has fallen into so much disrepair and neglect?
                              In a nutshell...

                              #1 Dumped the old mods and replaced them with inexperience.
                              #2 Reduced the amount of skin in the game required to post in the marketplace, reducing the value of the section, resulting in the loss of traffic, repeat customers, and quality vendors.
                              #3 Too aggressive on forum changes that caused/allowed lots of forum function breakdowns.
                              #4 FL mods and/or admins never became ingrained in the fabric of WF putting the forum at great risk.
                              #5 Spam control became beyond absurd for a major forum.
                              #6 Bad leadership and some bad direction given by senior members. (too much detail to go into here)

                              The list is long, but those are a few.

                              I disagree, that is the symptom, not the cause. They left "because" of the cancer, the cancer of neglect and disrepair.
                              IMO...not really a cancer.

                              Decline by dozens of cuts...

                              #1 Facebook Groups
                              #2 Off-Site Launches
                              #3 Too rapid and hasty integration of Warrior Payments, WAMAs, and the Feed View to the detriment of basic old-school forum functionality and feel.
                              #4 Poor moderation and sometimes administration.
                              #5 Warrior Champions was a good initiative, it should not have been killed.
                              #6 Admin and mod interaction with the community has been poor.
                              #7 Confusing Warriors by "hiding" the old WSO link was not a good thing.
                              #8 A lot more info is widely available on the net these days, many do not need to bury their head in a forum like they did in the old days.
                              #9 Some forums are having trouble competing with Social Media, this is one of those right now.
                              #10 Spam Control was horrendous.
                              #11 Continued allowed posting of sig and link spam.
                              #12 Not taking some of the good advice given the past 2 years and/or not reading the advice on the threads.

                              I am sure we could add a dozen more...

                              How can you expect people to stay around for very long or visit very often when the forum is in such a state of neglect?
                              They care.

                              The "article blasting" is just another example of neglectful abuse of this forum.
                              I got it, we've had a ton of threads discussing that opinion.

                              Because discussion are being killed off by the blasted article dumping.
                              Feel free to post an insightful thread. Last I checked, members are allowed to post threads.

                              There have been article dumping attacks on this forum several times in the past, the old timers can vouch for this. Each time the Article dumping started up traffic dropped off the previous owner pinpointed the source "article dumping" warned members and banned them if they didn't immediately discontinue the abuse of the forum.
                              The WF Community Manager started the "dumping" as you call it.

                              Now you imply that the forum operators are the ones that are perpetrating the article dumping attack on their own forum.
                              Again, the WFCM started the campaign. We've had massive threads about this already.

                              Well hells bells, I don't know what to say to that kind of self-sabotage. They couldn't possible be that stupid, so it must be part of their strategy to kill off the discussion so that they can convert WF into an article directory. Nothing else makes sense.
                              I suggest you voice your opinion directly to Dan the Man.

                              The spam has always been with us, that hasn't really changed that much. It isn't more spam than before, it just that so many formerly active members have stopped coming around because it is so much less enjoyable with all the broken features that have been neglectfully left, rotting away the membership to the point that the usually amount spam now makes up most of the posts on the forum.
                              Give the suggestions forum a try these days...I know Dan and the tech team are watching it closely.

                              And I have to say for someone that goes by the Handle "ForumGuru", you might be under qualified to use that around here. Just saying How could you be a forum guru and not see what is so damned obvious?
                              You must not read many of the threads, as I have been one of the most vocal on here about getting the broken features fixed and the WSO section cleaned up, and keeping spam off the boards. This guru has been telling them to fix the stuff since the moment I noticed it has been broken, neglected or abused...for years. I still do, take a quick peek at the suggestions forum when you get a chance.

                              Article dumping is a discussion killing practice, it always has been in the past and is certainly holding true today. The only real discussion it brings is about how much it is hated be active members.
                              This point was made over and over again on the now deleted 500 post article thread, and on numerous other threads. Again, Dan is the man, I suggest you take it up with him.

                              Cheers
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                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  . They did not discuss any of our concerns or ideas in that thread or others.
                  As you know.. Not only have we had substantial talk on the threads, Dan has been contacting members directly for forum advice. I am pretty sure he has heard a bunch from many members.

                  "Here is your biology book for $225. The class only uses the new edition, so you cannot buy it used. Oh, and we will not buy it back at the end of the semester because there will be another new edition."
                  LOL...Every new edition of those used to earn me another royalty check.

                  Sure. But it is a little different when people are being paid/recruiting by WF to do it, don't you think?
                  Sure. I'll agree with that.

                  Maybe. We'll see. I have not seen anything impressive from it so far, and the threads that do promote any sort of conversation are generally unproductive.
                  From what I have looked at, I don't think a whole bunch of reasonably decent threads were given a real chance to get off the ground. That's a matter of opinion though.

                  Cheers
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            • Profile picture of the author dburk
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              It would be nice if they sought out writers with practical experience in what they are writing about.
              I have to disagree with you on this point: Article dumping is a proven forum killer. It doesn't matter how well written the article.

              The only reason a discussion breaks out on those article dump threads is to discuss how little the author knows about the topic of the article. If well written articles were posted the forum would completely cease to be a forum, because it will kill practically all discussions, we would be left with nothing much beyond comments, and tons of comment spam.

              Anyway, that is how I see it.

              If FL wants this forum to transform into an article directory, why not just proclaim that as the direction and goal? Members would leave in droves and they will have nothing left but SE traffic left. Seems that is what is happening anyway, so it must be their goal.

              Members that want to keep WF as a discussion forum are the ones that are trying to police the destructive behavior of the article dumpers. It would be nice if the moderators would step in and do that themselves. Afterall, isn't that their jobs?
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              • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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                Originally Posted by dburk View Post

                Members that want to keep WF as a discussion forum are the ones that are trying to police the destructive behavior of the article dumpers. It would be nice if the moderators would step in and do that themselves. Afterall, isn't that their jobs?
                You are talking about the old days..

                This is the new WF...and as has been mentioned before --> WF is not going to do a whole lot of policing on threads that they have encouraged. Unless, of course, they suddenly stop encouraging articles to be posted to these boards.

                Apparently, the amazingly steep decline in traffic and participation has spurred the article blasting campaign.

                http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...##post10712422

                Cheers
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                • Profile picture of the author dburk
                  Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                  You are talking about the old days..

                  This is the new WF...and as has been mentioned before --> WF is not going to do a whole lot of policing on threads that they have encouraged. Unless, of course, they suddenly stop encouraging articles to be posted to these boards.

                  Cheers
                  So you are saying it is official? The WF is no longer a discussion forum, but an article dump directory? Must be why I keep hearing crickets around these parts.

                  Say it ain't so, Joe, say it ain't so!

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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by dburk View Post

                I have to disagree with you on this point: Article dumping is a proven forum killer. It doesn't matter how well written the article.

                The only reason a discussion breaks out on those article dump threads is to discuss how little the author knows about the topic of the article. If well written articles were posted the forum would completely cease to be a forum, because it will kill practically all discussions, we would be left with nothing much beyond comments, and tons of comment spam.

                Anyway, that is how I see it.

                If FL wants this forum to transform into an article directory, why not just proclaim that as the direction and goal? Members would leave in droves and they will have nothing left but SE traffic left. Seems that is what is happening anyway, so it must be their goal.

                Members that want to keep WF as a discussion forum are the ones that are trying to police the destructive behavior of the article dumpers. It would be nice if the moderators would step in and do that themselves. Afterall, isn't that their jobs?
                Oh, I agree with you, but them not doing it is just not an option, so I would like to at least see them get some writers with experience in what they are writing about.
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                • Profile picture of the author dburk
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  Oh, I agree with you, but them not doing it is just not an option, so I would like to at least see them get some writers with experience in what they are writing about.
                  I see... so the WF converting from forum to article directory is a fait complete?

                  And since this is now an article directory, might as well get some really good authors to generate great articles for the WF Article directory? I see your point. I guess I haven't completely given up on the idea of WF remaining a discussion forum. I need to get with the times.

                  Maybe I should submit some articles too. I just have figure out what to write about, that I know nothing about currently, so that it fits the criteria for acceptance.
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            • Profile picture of the author neshaword
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              To be fair to neshaword - he said that he is not posting articles now...and he isn't. He's posting comments and asking questions - once he begins to trust answers and gains experience - he'll be fine.

              Maybe it's time to give him his thread back
              Just saw Game of Thrones final 10th episode of the 6th season. There's this "Sparrow trial." You confess your crimes to the priests and you're good to go.

              I confessed my "article crimes," and I expressed my wish to become a true Warrior. More sacrifices required?!

              Can't find a YouTube video, this HBO is heartless, LOL.
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              • Profile picture of the author gotthrowaway
                Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

                Just saw Game of Thrones final 10th episode of the 6th season. There's this "Sparrow trial." You confess your crimes to the priests and you're good to go.
                Without getting too much into spoilers, how did that work out for those in the Sept?

                You still have a lot to work on when it comes to your GoT connections.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Neshaword -

            There was a thread posted yesterday that you might find helpful. If you haven't read it - check it out. It's not my thread - it's not selling anything - it's not perfect - but it's an example of how helpful people here CAN be.

            http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...do-income.html
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by dburk View Post

            The only reason a discussion breaks out on those article dump threads is to discuss how little the author knows about the topic of the article. If well written articles were posted the forum would completely cease to be a forum, because it will kill practically all discussions, we would be left with nothing much beyond comments, and tons of comment spam.
            Maybe I'm giving the powers that be too much credit, but if the intent is to spark discussion, wouldn't posting the kind of drivel that passes as "expertise" and letting experienced, knowledgeable people pick it apart do just that?

            The problem comes when the picking apart goes from the content to the poster. And to be fair, posters of said articles fan the flames by returning the personal aspersions (like labelling critics as 'haters' and dismissing their feedback).

            Neshaword was headed down that path, but I think he's now headed in the right direction. So I'm giving another chance. That doesn't mean I won't speak up if I think something he posts is wrong, just that I'll give him the same consideration as others.

            Posters, don't take feedback personally until it does get personal. Then grow a thick hide and consider the source, and the energy required to fight back. I've been around for almost ten years, but I still have scars from some of my first forays into discussions with people more experienced than me. I learned the difference between a contentious debate and a dick measuring contest. I got into the former with gusto and learned to walk away from the latter.

            Commenters, if you want to rip apart the content, have at it. But keep it about the content, not the poster.
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            • Profile picture of the author dburk
              Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

              Maybe I'm giving the powers that be too much credit, but if the intent is to spark discussion, wouldn't posting the kind of drivel that passes as "expertise" and letting experienced, knowledgeable people pick it apart do just that?

              The problem comes when the picking apart goes from the content to the poster. And to be fair, posters of said articles fan the flames by returning the personal aspersions (like labelling critics as 'haters' and dismissing their feedback).

              Neshaword was headed down that path, but I think he's now headed in the right direction. So I'm giving another chance. That doesn't mean I won't speak up if I think something he posts is wrong, just that I'll give him the same consideration as others.

              Posters, don't take feedback personally until it does get personal. Then grow a thick hide and consider the source, and the energy required to fight back. I've been around for almost ten years, but I still have scars from some of my first forays into discussions with people more experienced than me. I learned the difference between a contentious debate and a dick measuring contest. I got into the former with gusto and learned to walk away from the latter.

              Commenters, if you want to rip apart the content, have at it. But keep it about the content, not the poster.
              Maybe I didn't make my point clear enough. The main point, to me, is that article dumping kills discussions and replaces it with commenters, ipso facto, article directory.

              The WF can be an article directory, or a discussion forum, but apparently not both at the same time. People that are here for discussions can't discuss, they can only comment. Except to discuss how the article dumping is killing the forum discussions, there are no more discussions, just comments, and tons of comment spam.

              When's the last time you saw an article directory ranking for anything except obscure topics?

              How much more of this before Google flatout de-indexes WF completely?

              Article dumping is not what made the WF great. It will not help to make it great again, it will only send it into a death spiral.

              Article dumping = death of discussions.

              Comment spam = death of readership

              Article dumping + Comment spam = death of Warrior Forum
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            More sacrifices required?!
            What is REQUIRED is for you to understand posts before you insult people.

            The last two posts I made were helpful - to provide a good plan for you to read in the thread I linked to - to encourage you and acknowledge your new efforts.

            YOU RESPONDED RUDELY - AGAIN.

            This has happened in more than one thread.

            Either you don't understand what is being said - or you are here only to be rude and demanding. Please DON'T go to the thread I linked - people there are being helpful and positive....and polite.
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      So when you post things that are untrue, false, and are clearly posting from a point of view devoid of any practical experience, we should all just sit back and say, "Good job! Great post."???

      That would do more harm than good.
      Mike,

      When I was still in my stupid and narcissistic "article" phase, I was slammed. I asked why. I got an answer. I thought about it. Realized. Regretted it all. Turned over a new leaf.

      There's a specific date you can notice a difference, unless you don't want to, for I don't know what reason.

      So, new me. Honest threads. A true Warrior's way. Guess what? Slammed again. Why?

      So, Mike, I think that some Warriors take pleasure in virtual pain. Why? It's beyond me. I thought that the high-school-bully-phase is the worst it can get.

      Now, just because some Warriors show off with the number of years or posts here, it doesn't mean I should treat them as WF sheriffs.

      Now, if you can find last 5 (five) threads of mine that are "untrue, false, and are clearly posting from a point of view devoid of any practical experience," then I'm not telling the truth, at least to say.

      Would like to see how you question other warrior's threads/comments the way you treat mine.

      Regards,
      Nesha
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

        Mike,

        When I was still in my stupid and narcissistic "article" phase, I was slammed. I asked why. I got an answer. I thought about it. Realized. Regretted it all. Turned over a new leaf.

        There's a specific date you can notice a difference, unless you don't want to, for I don't know what reason.

        So, new me. Honest threads. A true Warrior's way. Guess what? Slammed again. Why?

        So, Mike, I think that some Warriors take pleasure in virtual pain. Why? It's beyond me. I thought that the high-school-bully-phase is the worst it can get.

        Now, just because some Warriors show off with the number of years or posts here, it doesn't mean I should treat them as WF sheriffs.

        Now, if you can find last 5 (five) threads of mine that are "untrue, false, and are clearly posting from a point of view devoid of any practical experience," then I'm not telling the truth, at least to say.
        I have not read any of your most recent threads other than this one, and have no plans to. You have already established a reputation for yourself. Besides the articles you were writing, whenever anyone did offer an honest critique of anything, even when you asked for it, you got combative.

        That reputation won't change overnight or with a few posts.

        Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

        Would like to see how you question other warrior's threads/comments the way you treat mine.
        Good or bad, I treat everyone equally.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Forgive my ignorance, but I saw little to no value reading through all the extra added bs that's attached itself to this thread, but in direct response to the OP's thread...

    Why don't you scroll down and post your "ARTICLES" here:

    Articles

    [edit] SCRATCH THAT... just saw that section is 'CLOSED" to new submissions... my apologies![/edit]

    Create blog posts (in your user panel) with headlines and titles that may interest readers, on the topics you cover (or rewrite, or whatever!) - at least then you'll get some benefit from this forum instead of getting "NUKED".

    Man, there is a lot of hostility looming about over here lately...

    I might want to be careful as I am easily provoked to engage in arguments. However, as of late, the whole; "if your a member of more than one site/forum thing is really getting old!"

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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      Forgive my ignorance, but I saw little to no value reading through all the extra added bs that's attached itself to this thread, but in direct response to the OP's thread...

      Why don't you scroll down and post your "ARTICLES" here:

      Articles
      The Article Section was closed a long time ago for good reason. It was a forum that became filled with copy and paste plagiarizers that would fill up almost entire forum pages with pirated articles.

      Even when it was open, members had to pay to post in there.

      Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author CityCowboy
    I absolutely agree with you, there are a lot of Cyber bullies here on WF,

    Plus if you're only here since 2016, the so-called experts will try to put you down everytime you try to say something useful or to outsmart them...

    They don't ever think that you may have:

    - Came from another well-established forum like BlackHatWorld
    - You got your old account banned and created a new one
    - ...

    In short, If you are new here, the warriors will give you no respect, and they always find a way to put you down

    But, you need to be strong and you need to become successful to prove them wrong, ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

    All for one and one for all isn't working on WF!

    Really, it doesn't surprise me at all. You know why?

    Business is competitive - sometimes cutthroat - this isn't a mutual admiration society.

    You can ask for a "partnership" where everyone contributes all they have . . . but honestly, what does the new and inexperienced person bring to the table? How are they contributing?

    New members come here all the time asking the successful members to divulge everything they have learned by costly, difficult experimentation and trial-and-error. They want to know the best tools, best traffic sources, best strategies, where to get the best traffic, and on and on. (In reality, my "best" whatever probably won't work for you).

    I'm fine with helping a new member when I can, but "all for one and one for all" really seems one-sided to me. It's great if you're new . . . not so great if you're the one doing all the contributing.

    Just something to think about,

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    • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
      Mahaha,

      actually it's better to order perfume in China, including the bottles
      made to your design, and your logo on the bottles and packaging

      P.S. To the rest of you I like to make a little statement here:

      I'm here since 2004 even when it says "2016" and some here
      who think they are the experts I clearly identify as newbies
      and wannabees forum chit-chatters. Dont get me wrong,
      I'll give everyone a chance to sober up and get a life,
      however some here need to get a basic ability to communicate
      your understanding without being a pain in the a. That you dont
      know yet, because of your lack of culture.

      Let me give you a little hint:

      Monaco for example makes Los Angeles look like North Korea,
      so be a bit more humble because of your background coming
      from this 3rd world country that plays with nukes just like Kim
      Tschonck Nill
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      • Profile picture of the author 431cruiser
        Thanks, Regional Warrior, for the info regarding that "everyone" is a moderator. Makes sense in the context of everyone pitching in to help police the site. In my original post, I probably should not have stated "everyone" in the context that I used it in that one sentence. If in separate sentences, both points would have been true with your clarification.

        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post


        If you are NOT successful in your endeavors then it is time to examine just who it is you are listening to. If you believe the hype that '"anyone can make it if you just believe in yourself and never give up" then you deserve to be a failure in life and that is all you ever will be.
        BF, it was these kinds of comments that inspired me to support the OP a couple of weeks ago. Anybody can write (or do whatever they choose) successfully IF they want it, are willing to get the education, experience, practice, work the hours, whatever they need, as we all have a certain skill sets. This is what you are more or less saying in the midst of the other nonsense.

        My little town of 9k has two young men who graduated a year a part in high school and now play in the NFL; a women in the WNBA, and a guy and two girls singing in Nashville. My nephew had a full ride to NYU, graduated and is trying to get his acting career rolling. This is just in the last 7 years...we have others from this little hole in the wall town who played in the NFL many years ago when we were a pop of about 5k, and several who are established writers and a world renowned artist. A popular major news anchor was raised 30 miles from here in an even smaller town.

        What if these people, living in this little town that does not even have a theater, were surrounded by your comments when they aspired to have these careers? You are down right harsh to people and that is why I encouraged the OP to not give up, to go to the other writing site and get more experience, etc. Some people let people who think like you alter their course. Others, like me, get inspired by it, thrive on it, and enjoy a good debate! That is what makes some successful, some envious, and others clueless.

        Also...
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post


        Listening to people that have done nothing, have nothing and will never have anything beyond the smug satisfaction of believing that they are helping people when the opposite is true, will guarantee that you will never be a successful warrior. You will always be a chump and when you place your hand in your pocket the only thing you will ever find is 'chump change.'

        Good luck with that.
        How does that sound to you when you read it today? Are you this critical (or insecure) in RL or do the keys bring it out of you?

        You do not know me, for example, on a personal level nor likely many of the others in this circle jerk. What I and others have, the wealth which is created while sleeping, sitting on the sofa in my underwear working from any place that I choose, or through ROIs, is a judgement that does not fit this conversation.

        You even judged yourself, favorably of course, when you said:

        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post


        If you think this post is negative, it's time to reevaluate your perspective, because yours is totally warped and is what is more than likely holding you back from your own success.

        Cheers. - Frank
        What you are really communicating is, "I can belittle you and not add any value to the thread, and if you don't agree, then you are f'd up and will never be successful.

        As I mentioned in my previous post, and as George did below, I have been around this site for awhile reading, studying, and observing. I have had successful online businesses for years now. Making money sleeping, working an hour or two a day before I ever put my pants on, and from a campsite, mountain top, or sandy beach.

        Do not let my post count or membership time mislead you. After a very long time of hanging around on the site, I only became a member when I wanted to comment on some of the BS that I see on every thread that Google has led me to while researching other interests.

        In fact, I was searching something else the day I made my original post on this thread. I do not know what forum category this is or was when I posted, but this thread ranked high enough that I saw the OP's opening lines on the Google search.

        For all searches to bring people to WF, is a good thing one would think. But for each thread in which Google leads a "new" person to be full of this off- topic mess, speaks volumes about the culture of such a popular site.

        Cheers to you.


        Originally Posted by George Schwab View Post

        Mahaha,

        actually it's better to order perfume in China, including the bottles
        made to your design, and your logo on the bottles and packaging

        P.S. To the rest of you I like to make a little statement here:

        I'm here since 2004 even when it says "2016" and some here
        who think they are the experts I clearly identify as newbies
        and wannabees forum chit-chatters. Dont get me wrong,
        I'll give everyone a chance to sober up and get a life,
        however some here need to get a basic ability to communicate
        your understanding without being a pain in the a. That you dont
        know yet, because of your lack of culture.

        Let me give you a little hint:

        Monaco for example makes Los Angeles look like North Korea,
        so be a bit more humble because of your background coming
        from this 3rd world country that plays with nukes just like Kim
        Tschonck Nill
        Agreed, and well said on each point, George.
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  • Profile picture of the author jenlpan
    I agree, Mindset is a huge part of achieving success, and the one reason why I've been so successful

    Be sure to always:

    1.Be dedicated to what you do and believe that it will happen.

    2.Being disciplined in something you are passionate about is the key.

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  • Profile picture of the author dansilvestre
    How about moving this conversation here?

    Thanks!
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