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[Admin] What's Going To Happen To The WSO Threads?

by havplenty
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I was just wondering about the status of old wso posted by 'Free' members. As you can see from my signature link, I point to an old WSO which presumably is still live.

Will I in future have to pay to keep my old WSO active?

Thanks Admin,

Hav
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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    Wouldn't it just be easier and enhance your credibility if you just paid the $37 and joined the War Room?
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    • Profile picture of the author havplenty
      Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

      Wouldn't it just be easier and enhance your credibility if you just paid the $37 and joined the War Room?
      Credibility has nothing to do with it. I only spend money where I can see a clear return on investment.

      Here's a question for you:

      What's the 'pay back' period for that $37 investment?
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

        Here's a question for you:

        What's the 'pay back' period for that $37 investment?
        Well, ignoring everything else good about the War Room, I guess you could say that it depends on how good your next WSO is.
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      • Profile picture of the author peetred
        Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

        Credibility has nothing to do with it. I only spend money where I can see a clear return on investment.

        Here's a question for you:

        What's the 'pay back' period for that $37 investment?
        I guess that depends on your definition of "pay back" , but that forum is indespensable to me now!
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      • Profile picture of the author George Wright
        I'll take a stab at your question.

        1. Since it is now a requirement to be a War Room Member to run a WSO, for me, the Pay Back period would be within 5 or 10 minutes from the time my next WSO goes live.

        2. Since there are reports by Allen in there that should be selling for a lot more than the price of admission pay back period is instant.

        3. Ditto on products by many others.

        4. And if you judge pay back period only by actual ROI, about half a day if you pick one thing from there and implement it.

        4. With all due respect, credibility has everything to do with it in the eyes of many. The missing war room member logo under ones name on a WSO will probably kill the WSO anyway.

        5. I can't speak for Allen of course, but the "deal" for WSOs has always been they automatically delete after page 6. He just hasn't been doing this for some reason on the new forum.

        6. Addressing credibility again, I don't believe this myself but some of your potential customers will feel, "Hey, if he can't afford the WR then all those PayPal screen shots must be fake." However, People who would think that way might not be your target market.

        That's just a few answers I can think of.

        My best to you,
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        Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

        Credibility has nothing to do with it. I only spend money where I can see a clear return on investment.

        Here's a question for you:

        What's the 'pay back' period for that $37 investment?
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        • Profile picture of the author Jay Jennings
          4. With all due respect, credibility has everything to do with it in the eyes of many. The missing war room member logo under ones name on a WSO will probably kill the WSO anyway.
          Being a member of the War Room gives you credibility because of the intensive interview process that's required? Or the tests you take to make sure you know what you're doing?

          Oh, wait, you just pay money to get in, isn't that right?

          Not much credibility there.

          I'm not saying people shouldn't join, but thinking someone is credible because they've paid a membership fee is kind of silly, don't you think?

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          • Profile picture of the author George Wright
            Hey Jay,

            You make a good point regarding the way things should be. Unfortunately in the real world, the way things should be and the way they really are are sometimes totally different.

            As I said later in my post, I may not feel this way, I said many do, but sometimes we have to cater to how people feel if we want to sell to them. Then again we don't HAVE to. I did mention maybe he/we doesn't/don't care if they are not our target market.

            It lends to credibility just because. How's that for critical thinking.

            I guess I'm just fed up with all the posts lately saying in so many words, THIS is wrong and that is wrong because I FEEL.... No one cares how "I" feel. How does my target market feel. "I" should base my efforts on that.

            It may or may not be "silly" to base credibility on the War Room Member badge. A few who have cash in hand do. OP probably doesn't really want to stop running WSOs and he probably doesn't want to exclude anyone from his potential customer list. Maybe I'm guessing wrong.

            Just thinking out loud here.

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            Originally Posted by Jay Jennings View Post

            Being a member of the War Room gives you credibility because of the intensive interview process that's required? Or the tests you take to make sure you know what you're doing?

            Oh, wait, you just pay money to get in, isn't that right?

            Not much credibility there.

            I'm not saying people shouldn't join, but thinking someone is credible because they've paid a membership fee is kind of silly, don't you think?

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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            Originally Posted by Jay Jennings View Post


            I'm not saying people shouldn't join, but thinking someone is credible because they've paid a membership fee is kind of silly, don't you think?

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            I don't know - The BBB doesn't seem to think so
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      • Profile picture of the author misterwrecker
        Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

        Credibility has nothing to do with it. I only spend money where I can see a clear return on investment.

        Here's a question for you:

        What's the 'pay back' period for that $37 investment?


        Join the War Room and then you will see how ridiculous this question is. I don't blame you for making this statement because you never been in there before but haven't you seen all the reviews about the war room.(It's not hype at all) I still have yet to see a negative review about the war room and there is great reason for it.


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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

        What's the 'pay back' period for that $37 investment?
        I've personally downloaded at least ten times that amount in free info products offered exclusively to WR members. Chances are you can get your money's worth from it inside of an hour.
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      • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
        Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

        Here's a question for you:
        What's the 'pay back' period for that $37 investment?
        There is nothing wrong with being a free member here...

        But I wanted to answer your question:

        Today I paid $37 for an associate of mine to join the war room so he could access one thread... mind you I am already a war room member.

        He just had not joined before because he is busy doing other stuff. I wanted him to see the thread right away so I asked him to let me login to his WF account and pay for his ticket to the war room which I did gladly.

        The "pay back" period for me was about 30 seconds.

        That one thread in the war room I wanted to have him view is worth far more than $37.... and I would have paid triple that just to access the information in that single thread.

        Other than that you have already contributed by paying to list a wso...

        But if it pays to have it in your signature then I suggest paying $20 and bumping it because you will get far more conversions ;-)

        Other than that don't worry about being a "free member" the majority of warriors here are "free" members but by contributing value and by buying the occasional ad you support the forum too...

        Besides... the value of the war room is that the goof balls and tire kickers stay out
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        • Profile picture of the author George Wright
          Hey Josh,

          One problem. He probably won't be able to "bump" since the payment button won't be avaliable to him.

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          Originally Posted by Josh Anderson View Post

          There is nothing wrong with being a free member here...

          But I wanted to answer your question:

          Today I paid $37 for an associate of mine to join the war room so he could access one thread... mind you I am already a war room member.

          He just had not joined before because he is busy doing other stuff. I wanted him to see the thread right away so I asked him to let me login to his WF account and pay for his ticket to the war room which I did gladly.

          The "pay back" period for me was about 30 seconds.

          That one thread in the war room I wanted to have him view is worth far more than $37.... and I would have paid triple that just to access the information in that single thread.

          Other than that you have already contributed by paying to list a wso...

          But if it pays to have it in your signature then I suggest paying $20 and bumping it because you will get far more conversions ;-)

          Other than that don't worry about being a "free member" the majority of warriors here are "free" members but by contributing value and by buying the occasional ad you support the forum too...

          Besides... the value of the war room is that the goof balls and tire kickers stay out
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          • Profile picture of the author countonuspr
            LOL! I upgraded and didn't even realize there was a special section for War Room members. The value I am getting from this small $37 investment keeps getting better and better!
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      • Profile picture of the author lisag
        Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

        Credibility has nothing to do with it. I only spend money where I can see a clear return on investment.

        Here's a question for you:

        What's the 'pay back' period for that $37 investment?
        No joke. I got my payback literally in the first hour and have far exceeded my investment by the end of the first week.

        And this is not some feel good intangible payback. This was actual, measurable value received. You'll see what I mean when you join. If you have $37, just do it.
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      • Profile picture of the author theimdude
        Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

        Credibility has nothing to do with it. I only spend money where I can see a clear return on investment.

        Here's a question for you:

        What's the 'pay back' period for that $37 investment?
        Hmmmmm exactly 1 minute or was it 20 seconds :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author Collette
          Here's something I keep missing in all these "Is the War Room really worth $37? Why should I pay for a forum?" posts:

          Are you saying you have NOT received $37 worth of FREE education/help/consulting just from reading the FREE threads????

          Because, if you haven't... then I see your point. And I understand precisely why you'll be leaving now...

          But if you HAVE been paying attention in the FREE forum - and applying even 1/10th of the killer advice FREELY available, courtesy of Allen's generosity - then $37 is a pittance. And a moot point.

          It's about VALUE. If you can't appreciate the TREMENDOUS VALUE in the FREE forum, you sure as hell will not find it in the paid War Room membership.

          And, at the very least, consider it a small token of thanks to Allen for creating and maintaining an amazing FREE resource.
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          • Profile picture of the author George Wright
            Actualy once you get inside the WR and read a couple of posts by Allen you will might get a different view of "following the herd."

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            Originally Posted by Collette View Post

            Here's something I keep missing in all these "Is the War Room really worth $37? Why should I pay for a forum?" posts:

            Are you saying you have NOT received $37 worth of FREE education/help/consulting just from reading the FREE threads????

            Because, if you haven't... then I see your point. And I understand precisely why you'll be leaving now...

            But if you HAVE been paying attention in the FREE forum - and applying even 1/10th of the killer advice FREELY available, courtesy of Allen's generosity - then $37 is a pittance. And a moot point.

            It's about VALUE. If you can't appreciate the TREMENDOUS VALUE in the FREE forum, you sure as hell will not find it in the paid War Room membership.

            And, at the very least, consider it a small token of thanks to Allen for creating and maintaining an amazing FREE resource.
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    Nothing will happen to them..

    Your second question is something I haven't thought of. How long do you intend to keep the same one? :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Hav, in just the graphic on that WSO in your signature link you made almost ten times what the membership costs. In just two sales from that same WSO, you can pay for the membership. Why are you worried about it. Don't be so cheap. Join for hells sake.

    I have never ran a WSO, and have not made a dime off the internet. I am going to join when I get my next pay check. You are making money, surly you can spring for $37 for your business.
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    • Profile picture of the author havplenty
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      Hav, in just the graphic on that WSO in your signature link you made almost ten times what the membership costs. In just two sales from that same WSO, you can pay for the membership. Why are you worried about it. Don't be so cheap. Join for hells sake.

      I have never ran a WSO, and have not made a dime off the internet. I am going to join when I get my next pay check. You are making money, surly you can spring for $37 for your business.
      I do IM full time so I don't have to wait on a pay check to join, in fact I can join right now. But that is not the point.

      If I am being asked to part with my cash, I have to be convinced. I am never one to do something because everyone else does it. That following the herd and you all know what happens to sheep
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

        I do IM full time so I don't have to wait on a pay check to join, in fact I can join right now. But that is not the point.

        If I am being asked to part with my cash, I have to be convinced. I am never one to do something because everyone else does it. That following the herd and you all know what happens to sheep
        That actually doesn't even make sense.

        Return on investment?

        How much did you make on your first WSO? More than $37?
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        • Profile picture of the author havplenty
          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

          That actually doesn't even make sense.

          Return on investment?

          How much did you make on your first WSO? More than $37?
          How come a senior warrior and war room member like you don't understand the concept of ROI?

          Anyhow, I didn't start the thread to pick a fight with War Room members, I was merely trying to clear up something with the owner of the forum and he's duly dealt with it, Ok!

          I don't want to be hassled for my $37 investment (there is that word again!)

          Anyhow, where is the sign up button?
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

            How come a senior warrior and war room member like you don't understand the concept of ROI?
            I know if I pay $37 and make a couple thousand bucks that it is a good thing I now know that if someone doesn't pay $37 - they can't which is also a good thing.

            I wasn't trying to hassle you. I just don't know why people that run WSO's or profit in other ways from the deadly targeted traffic of this forum would even consider not paying the $37.
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          • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
            Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

            How come a senior warrior and war room member like you don't understand the concept of ROI?

            Anyhow, I didn't start the thread to pick a fight with War Room members, I was merely trying to clear up something with the owner of the forum and he's duly dealt with it, Ok!

            I don't want to be hassled for my $37 investment (there is that word again!)

            Anyhow, where is the sign up button?

            Hey Hav,

            I think what everyone is trying to say is that paying about $1.85 per year for 20 years for posting in probably the best buying and selling forum there is on the Internet, is well worth the investment if you plan to run anymore WSOs - especially when you think about how quickly WSO listings get listed in the main search engines, and what page they get listed on. And that's not even including the right type of traffic you get right here in the WF - er ... the right type of market.

            If that doesn't convince you, well then stay a free member, and do without the income from the WSO forum.

            To me, if I make $100 selling my WSO, and pay the $20 fee to post, paying that $37 was well spent, and a wise investment because it was paid off in the first couple of sales - and that's just for that 1 WSO.


            I think the real problem with people regarding this simple change is that most people do not like change of any kind, and it doesn't matter if it will be better for them in the long run or not. It's like every other time something gets changed. It's been like that throughout history lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

        If I am being asked to part with my cash, I have to be convinced. I am never one to do something because everyone else does it.
        Do you ever want to run another WSO?

        That's not something that requires convincing, only you can answer that.

        Whatever you decide, best of success to you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

        I do IM full time so I don't have to wait on a pay check to join, in fact I can join right now. But that is not the point.

        If I am being asked to part with my cash, I have to be convinced. I am never one to do something because everyone else does it. That following the herd and you all know what happens to sheep
        I haven't read through the entire thread so someone may
        have already said this...

        Dude...

        You have some big balls. Admin provides you free access to the best
        damn marketing forum on the internet... where you can find advice on
        strategies and techniques from many of the best around... and you
        have the temerity to ask what your ROI will be on $37?

        You've got to be kidding us.

        Further... if I understand correctly... unless you pony up the 37
        smacks your WSO days are over. So... you figure the ROI based on
        your previous WSO. Then think long and hard about just how silly
        your post was.

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        • Profile picture of the author havplenty
          Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

          I haven't read through the entire thread so someone may
          have already said this...

          Dude...

          You have some big balls. Admin provides you free access to the best
          damn marketing forum on the internet... where you can find advice on
          strategies and techniques from many of the best around... and you
          have the temerity to ask what your ROI will be on $37?

          You've got to be kidding us.

          Further... if I understand correctly... unless you pony up the 37
          smacks your WSO days are over. So... you figure the ROI based on
          your previous WSO. Then think long and hard about just how silly
          your post was.

          Tsnyder
          Do you know why I have the temerity to ask what the ROI is on $37? Because it's MY $37!

          You see, I think carefully about how I spend MY money. You can call my post silly all you want, but it won't undermine my approach to how I spend MY money.

          Enough said.

          Hav
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          • Profile picture of the author George Wright
            Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

            Do you know why I have the temerity to ask what the ROI is on $37? Because it's MY $37!

            You see, I think carefully about how I spend MY money. You can call my post silly all you want, but it won't undermine my approach to how I spend MY money.

            Enough said.

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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

            Do you know why I have the temerity to ask what the ROI is on $37? Because it's MY $37!
            Q. F. T.

            He's looking out for his business and planning his investments. That's smart. Questioning why he would ask doesn't change the simple fact that he damn well ought to be asking, just like anyone else planning an investment.
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            Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

            Do you know why I have the temerity to ask what the ROI is on $37? Because it's MY $37!

            You see, I think carefully about how I spend MY money. You can call my post silly all you want, but it won't undermine my approach to how I spend MY money.

            Enough said.

            Hav
            Good on you. What's really silly is someone else who thinks it's any of their business how you choose to spend your money.
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      • Profile picture of the author MSGeek
        Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

        If I am being asked to part with my cash, I have to be convinced. I am never one to do something because everyone else does it. That following the herd and you all know what happens to sheep
        I don't think anyone following the herd here. I admire your frugality, we all know that million dollars start from just the first one, but it's just for most people it seems a little strange, considering that you probably already did pretty well on that WSO offer.

        I joined before the decision was made, because I wanted somewhat walled community with those working to their individual success in IM. Not the herd, more of the pack, or even the pride. Frankly, that was priceless for me, although clearly I would not pay any price for that. But $37 was well within the comfortable price range with a clear overdelivering for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    I think Lance's point is that your increased credibility will in turn increase your ROI, as more people will trust you enough to buy your products.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by Kezz View Post

      I think Lance's point is that your increased credibility will in turn increase your ROI, as more people will trust you enough to buy your products.
      Exactly. It's $37 for 20 years. It comes down to what Kevin Riley said in another thread. If you're treating this as a real business $37 won't stop you. Especially as someone who has seen the benefits of running a WSO.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    You want to see a clear "return on investment" ??????? How much money would you have made if you could not post that WSO ?????? There is your return, you posted a WSO for a pitty $20 and probably made 10 or 20 times that.

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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    I can't believe what I am reading from you hav. You are asking what your ROI is, and what your pay back is going to be. Did you make money with your last WSO, are you intending to run another WSO? You say that you are a full time internet marketer. Yet you question being a paid member of the premier internet marketing forum in the world, IMO. If we were talking real money, I might understand your concern. But we are talking chump change. Even I, who survives on a disability income from the government and has not had a job in six years because of health problems plan to join when I get my next payment. I frankly can't understand your thinking.

    I am sorry, I hope I am not being rude. I really don't mean it that way. So I hope that you are not taking it that way.

    It is chump change man. I am sure that you have already had that amount of value in the forum, now it is time to pay the piper.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
    Perhaps I'm missing something here, but it sounds like Hav doesn't want to post new WSO's in the future, but wants to continue being able to generate income from the one he already posted.

    The way the OP was worded Hav is worried that WSO's posted before the new requirement was put in effect will be deleted and he will no longer be able to rely on that income.

    I may be way off, but that is how I read the post. If I am correct I am wondering why would you rely so heavily on one WSO that you are worried about losing the income from it.
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    • Profile picture of the author havplenty
      Originally Posted by Johnny Slater View Post

      Perhaps I'm missing something here, but it sounds like Hav doesn't want to post new WSO's in the future, but wants to continue being able to generate income from the one he already posted.

      The way the OP was worded Hav is worried that WSO's posted before the new requirement was put in effect will be deleted and he will no longer be able to rely on that income.

      I may be way off, but that is how I read the post. If I am correct I am wondering why would you rely so heavily on one WSO that you are worried about losing the income from it.
      Hi Johnny,

      The question was asked for the benefit of those who will remain free members and have WSO in their sig. I don't rely on WSO's at all, in fact I am going to change that sig right now
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    LOL...Hav just sign up and you'll understand what everyone is talking about.

    I've been in the War Room since the beginning and it has helped me in many ways and not always in terms of money but in saving me time too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark-Dickenson
      Not sure why everyone is jumping all over Hav.

      I am sure the War Room is a great reasource BUT...

      The fact is, we are still in a very severe recession and $37 is a lot to some people(not saying that is Hav's case)

      And no one knows the numbers of his WSO

      I paid my $37...would be crazy not to...but it did leave a bad taste in my mouth

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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    What is the ROI in joining the War room, well that will depend on different people. Everything in there is free, including many WSO's.

    Let's say a wso is being sold for $20 and you buy it, what would you expect your ROI to be on that? It depends on what the wso is and what you do with it.

    Then you find another wso for $20 and you buy it.

    Already you have spent $40 on two wso, but the secret is both are in the War Room, and they are free to you.

    Choice a) stay out and miss out on a pile of excellent free products, including many reports written by Allen. Many wso's exclusively for the war room. 1 book by Allen will/can generate thousands for you, if you take action.

    Choice b) buy in and have a massive ROI because you have paid $37 for the next 20 years. Even if you only stayed there for 1 month, you could expect to make your money back and more within that month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hersh
    Why all of you keep saying that it's $37 for 20 years?

    Am I missing something here guys?

    As far as I can see on the payment page it says that it's recurring.

    Isn't it?
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Mike Hersh View Post

      Why all of you keep saying that it's $37 for 20 years?
      When you go to the upgrade page, you'll see something that says:

      "Validity periods marked * indicate that purchasing this subscription is recurring"

      When you drop down the combo box, you'll see only one validity period:

      "20 years"

      It is not marked * because it is not recurring.

      The price under it is "US$37.00" - so it's $37 for 20 years.
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  • Profile picture of the author zerofill
    I wish it was a monthly membership to be honest...at least 80% of the board anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author JCTunes
      Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

      I wish it was a monthly membership to be honest...at least 80% of the board anyway.
      I'm glad it's not a monthly membership because at this time I wouldn't be able to swing a monthly payment, much less be able to sponsor someone else into the WR.

      So Hav, it might be better to take advantage of the membership fee now before it DOES become a monthly or annual fee.

      Just my 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author lisag
    Sometimes, for some reason, we get into feeding frenzies in threads. I don't see anything Havplnty said or asked that warrants him being jumped on.

    If you think of a dollar bill as a money seed, in that if you plant it, and tend to it, it will grow more, then he was right to ask what crop his 37 money seeds will produce for him.

    In other places we would call that due diligence and respect someone for taking the time to perform it. Why not here?.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by lisag View Post

      I don't see anything Havplnty said or asked that warrants him being jumped on.

      If you think of a dollar bill as a money seed, in that if you plant it, and tend to it, it will grow more, then he was right to ask what crop his 37 money seeds will produce for him.

      In other places we would call that due diligence and respect someone for taking the time to perform it. Why not here?.


      Well, he mentioned ROI. In the context of this discussion it amused me a little, but I don't have a problem with it. HOWEVER, later he said...


      Originally Posted by havplenty View Post

      I just made $35 bucks so as soon as I make the extra 2 I'll join. Probably later today.

      That isn't congruent with his comments about ROI.

      Anyway, if you're considering $37 an investment and you're teaching others how to make money... (do I really need to finish that thought?)

      It's not my objective to jump on or harrass havplenty, but the tone of this thread has seemed a little odd to me from the start.

      But to avoid seeming cantankerous, I'll repeat my thoughts from earlier.

      Whether he decides to join or not, I wish him success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Some people are having a hard time digesting the new rules and facing a new fact: they buy WR membership or they "stay out" of the best IM forum worldwide.

    I understand that to some point. Here's what i can say to you:

    War Room for Dummies

    1 - Yes you need to invest $37.
    2 - Yes the payback is instant > You have total access to lot's of powerful techniques/methods/blueprints/scripts for FREE - both old and the new ones coming almost every week.
    3 - Yes It's so damn good.

    Fernando

    P.S.: Amazes me how some people take this forum for granted (imagine life without it for a couple seconds) and seem to be pissed off to pay less then $40 to access all this information each and every day.

    P.P.S.: Don't you dare to say to me $37 is too much money. Right here, right now, you have blueprints on how to make more then that in a couple days using FREE tools. IF you can't be successful with that blueprints, then the problem is not the $37 - It's YOU.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      For those who weren't here before the new forum, in the old days, WSOs
      were for a period of 21 days and then they were automatically deleted
      by the software.

      Because this software apparently doesn't have the ability to do that, WSOs
      stay forever.

      Thus, based on the original TOS of this site, by rights, all WSOs over 21
      days have every right to be deleted as that TOS was never officially
      rescinded...just no longer enforced because of software limitations.

      So by rights, if you have a WSO running now and are still a free member,
      after 21 days, Allen has every right to delete it.

      Think about it.

      Who gets to run an ad for $20 for life?

      A newspaper ad that runs for a day could cost you 10 times that much.

      A solo ad to a mailing list? One mailing?

      I've paid as much as $100 for one of those.

      I can't speak for Allen because this is HIS forum but given the value
      members have been getting for a mere $20, I don't think expecting those
      with current WSOs to pay an additional $37 to keep them running is
      asking a lot.

      If that $37 is seriously going to impact your profitability, you need to take
      a good, hard, long, objective look at your business model because it is
      built on a house of very old cards.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Marketing 101:

    This thread should have stoped at post #36

    We're gonna talk him out of this.

    Welcome, Hav

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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Gammage
    This is a really long sales page for the War Room.

    To expand on Mr. Wagenheim's post, who gets to run a $20 ad for life on a site with as much traffic as the Warrior Forum?
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I found this thread really funny.

    Although I don't actually agree with people jumping on Hav for asking a legitimate question, the thing that makes it so funny is....

    Some of us already paid to join this forum in the first place. It used to be a paid only forum.

    The fact that even if you don't pay now you're still able to post is way more than some of us got.

    It's perfectly rational to ask what you're getting for your money, but you youngsters don't know how lucky you are

    I'm buying other people memberships and giving away my stuff in the War Room, so I don't think there's ever been a better time to be a Warrior than now.

    But I don't blame anyone for asking what they get for their money and what they're losing if they don't pay.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
    HavPlenty has plenty because he is careful where he spends what he has.

    That said, my ROI isn't just from the intangibles of learning new methods, techniques, systems, and processes (although I have), nor is from the benefits I've received from various scripts and programs (again, I have).

    I have made $194.35 from the affiliate sales of one product that is free to War Room members which I reviewed on my blog several months ago.

    That's over a 500% ROI, even without considering the intangibles.

    Next, I've half-heartedly implemented one strategy that I learned from the War Room on three sites. These sites combined have earned $3,288 over the past 12 months. That's nearly a 9400% ROI to date.

    If I had gone into that model full bore, I can only imagine where they would be.

    Take one system from the War Room and run with it and you'll see why the members are so insistent about the value of the membership.
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  • Profile picture of the author .X.
    I think many of you need to chill
    a bit with Hav, put down your
    glass of Kool-aid and think about
    this from his perspective.

    First of all, aside from ass chapped
    opinions of the gun-toters it's
    obvious he hasn't read word one
    about the War Room or he'd know
    where to sign up.

    So, the value hasn't been made
    obvious and $37 is $37 and if it
    ain't no big deal, send me $37.

    Actually, I want you to send me
    $37 anyway. Do it now.

    Second, it's not the norm online
    to pay to join a forum. Why the
    hell then is it logical to pay to
    join a forum so you can pay to
    run an ad you've already paid to
    run? Out of context that sounds
    like complete bull****.

    Step out of your frame and into
    his frame. It will all make complete
    sense.

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  • Profile picture of the author Melkor
    If you call yourself a marketer and can't think from the prospect's frame of reference, you aren't going to be calling yourself a marketer for very long.
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    • Profile picture of the author .X.
      Originally Posted by Melkor View Post

      If you call yourself a marketer and can't think from the prospect's frame of reference, you aren't going to be calling yourself a marketer for very long.
      Exactly.

      Here's the extra 10 characters
      necessary for adding value to
      this post.

      :-)

      Actually it's more than 10
      characters - it's like throwing
      in a lot of added value for
      nothing!

      X

      PS - I'm happy to see this go
      back to a paid deal. I think it
      should be great for the forum.

      Now that we've solved the
      newbie problem, maybe some
      portion of the money that comes
      in from the newbies could be
      funneled towards the old codgers
      in *serious* need of some stool
      loosening. I think that'd be a
      great thing for everyone - at
      least until Obama's health plan
      can resolve our ills.

      Enemas all around!
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by Melkor View Post

      If you call yourself a marketer and can't think from the prospect's frame of reference, you aren't going to be calling yourself a marketer for very long.

      That's a good point.

      It has nothing to do with what we're disucssing.

      But it's a good point in general.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    You're a full-time Internet Marketer and you're baulking at paying a lousy 37 bucks for all the great advice and freebies in the War-Room PLUS the ability to post money-making WSOs? I shake my head.
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    • Profile picture of the author theimdude
      Originally Posted by Metronicity View Post

      You're a full-time Internet Marketer and you're baulking at paying a lousy 37 bucks for all the great advice and freebies in the War-Room PLUS the ability to post money-making WSOs? I shake my head.
      Not picking on you but we need to redefine the words used referring to 99% of content offered as "Free or Freebies" in the war room

      They not free as I just got a script there that would have cost me $17 if I wern't a member. "Free stuff" is when you use google to look for free stuff and none of the 99% of the content offered by other war room members will appear in google results as free.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    Doesn't the War Room have a money-back guarantee?

    Couldn't you have just joined, found out for yourself, and gotten your money back if you weren't satisfied?

    Remember TIME is an investment too... and you've sunk a LOT of that in this thread.

    Look, I'm as stingy as the next guy... but when it comes to my education I'm happy to pay for anything I'll use that will help me make more cash.

    And if your WSO has made you more than $57 ($20 posting fee + $37 WR fee) I would be reinvesting it in a heartbeat... but that's just me.

    -Dan
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