Building Your MLM Business Completely Online

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What a great time for MLMers. The internet has opened doors and made it much "easier" for many to build their MLM business completely online. This has to be part of the reason so many top earners make over $20,000 a month. Just use a blog and email and you can communicate/contact all your prospects/members on a regular basis, anytime of day or night and automate the process.

As someone who has a good full time job, this is what has attracted me to take a second look at MLM ( not to mention retirement looming around the corner ). The whole world is really your market, now. Plus who really wants to "bug" their friends.

Also, I know many in this space disagree, but because of my current position, having some anonymity is also useful.
#building #business #completely #mlm #online
  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Burritt
    Yes, it's possible. I used to do old school. Then I figured out how to do it completely online. It's harder with some networks, but easier with others. So finding the right network is key.
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  • Agreed! It is exciting..

    ..hence companies like Empower Network are flourishing.

    It's a MLM company however it does most of its sales online. Kinda like the best of both worlds..

    It is an new evolution of MLM..
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by selfdisciplineacademy View Post

      Agreed! It is exciting..

      ..hence companies like Empower Network are flourishing.

      It's a MLM company however it does most of its sales online. Kinda like the best of both worlds..

      It is an new evolution of MLM..
      Empower Network is dead as a door nail. One of the founders is
      hawking something else via Facebook ads.
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by selfdisciplineacademy View Post

      Agreed! It is exciting..

      ..hence companies like Empower Network are flourishing.

      It's a MLM company however it does most of its sales online. Kinda like the best of both worlds..

      It is an new evolution of MLM..
      I have now come to the conclusion you are a troll , some of your posts are just so people will respond thus have been reported as such
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Still dubious. Not to say there aren't very successful people with Online MLM.
    I know there are.

    Still for the majority who enter this realm it's a losing proposition.

    A crumbling downline is a crumbling downline...doesn't matter if its online MLM or traditonal offline MLM

    The last man in loses. And don't give me some BS that he can still personally "retail" the Company's
    Amazing Products LOL


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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by ethanre View Post

        The "potential" you get with MLM is better than any other pyramid structure, like a job (pyramid structure you have to climb up), or govt etc. with MLM YOU are the boss on day 1, you build the organization under you. MLM has made more millionaires who started from nothing... No products, logistics, reseller permits, branding, etc... You take all the products and tools and run with them.. improving yourself in the process. Good luck climbing the corporate ladder. MLM is not perfect but it is better, read this: Why Network Marketing is Better! – Hemp Business Network
        Hey ethare,
        It is true there have been made many millionaires through this Model. I just think too many of this Organizations strictly focus on the downline aspect of it and Recruiting and it's all based around very marginal, over priced products
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        • Profile picture of the author ethanre
          DABK, Opportunity, potential, dream, goals ... this is what we humans live for

          potential is a priceless thing to have! people buy lottery tickets thinking they will get rich despite the chance being close to 0....

          with MLM you control your destiny success and how much of your dream u will reach 100% .. how much of the potential you take advantage of is up to you.

          you dont start a business if you thought there was no potential for profit.. MLM is the same. If you work hard at it you will get results, but the SAME goes with any business you start.
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          • Profile picture of the author DABK
            I agree. That said, potential is misused and/or overrated.

            If I'm going to open a mortgage broker business, it's because I think I'll make money because others have done so. But to actually make the money, I need planning and work and a ton of things that have nothing to do with potential.

            Same if I open a bakery, a law firm, etc.

            You equate potential with lottery. Potential like Warren Buffet uses it, is different, and, it still requires more and can fail.

            Originally Posted by ethanre View Post

            DABK, Opportunity, potential, dream, goals ... this is what we humans live for

            potential is a priceless thing to have! people buy lottery tickets thinking they will get rich despite the chance being close to 0....

            with MLM you control your destiny success and how much of your dream u will reach 100% .. how much of the potential you take advantage of is up to you.

            you dont start a business if you thought there was no potential for profit.. MLM is the same. If you work hard at it you will get results, but the SAME goes with any business you start.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
              Originally Posted by DABK View Post

              I agree. That said, potential is misused and/or overrated.

              If I'm going to open a mortgage broker business, it's because I think I'll make money because others have done so. But to actually make the money, I need planning and work and a ton of things that have nothing to do with potential.

              Same if I open a bakery, a law firm, etc.

              You equate potential with lottery. Potential like Warren Buffet uses it, is different, and, it still requires more and can fail.
              And you imagine MLM is different in what way?
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              • Profile picture of the author DABK
                I made no assumption about MLM. Read post 20 to know what I was responding to.

                Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                And you imagine MLM is different in what way?
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  • I personally am a member of a couple, and getting ready for the third, but I ignore the MLM part and focus on the products they sell. I push the products on social media, along with a secondary link to join. Got over 100 combined in the "downline" with zero recruiting, not a ton, but a start and sell the @#$%@ out of the products.
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    • Profile picture of the author ethanre
      Originally Posted by randomsoftwaregroup View Post

      I personally am a member of a couple, and getting ready for the third, but I ignore the MLM part and focus on the products they sell. I push the products on social media, along with a secondary link to join. Got over 100 combined in the "downline" with zero recruiting, not a ton, but a start and sell the @#$%@ out of the products.
      I like your strategy. some of these companies do have pretty good and outstanding (not overpriced) products.
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  • Profile picture of the author semahsedut
    i think you can get quality leads from Solo Ads ... and build business from there

    instead of doing MLM business selling stuff, try selling "MLM traffic"
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianWilson85
    Online MLM is a little different than direct sales online. Either path you choose is great especially online. Most folks don't have success with the traditional belly to belly stuff. There are a bunch of online systems that really make it simple for the new person to get started once they learn some basic IM skills.

    No matter what business one focuses on... leads are the life blood. Getting your opportunity in front the right amount of people EVERYDAY is key.
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    • Profile picture of the author ethanre
      Originally Posted by BrianWilson85 View Post

      Online MLM is a little different than direct sales online. Either path you choose is great especially online. Most folks don't have success with the traditional belly to belly stuff. There are a bunch of online systems that really make it simple for the new person to get started once they learn some basic IM skills.

      No matter what business one focuses on... leads are the life blood. Getting your opportunity in front the right amount of people EVERYDAY is key.
      100% true.
      To be honest, yes you need a relationship / trust but most people rather do this from their home than drive to meet you face to face.

      I havent used clickfunnel, but being skilled with computers I created my own lead-capture page, followed by another page that offers more info (online presentation) ..

      I am making money with this model, 1/4 the people i sponsored came online so clearly my approach can be better designed, just takes time since I am not paying someone like clickfunnel to help. I am working on a new lead capture, click funnel, call to action..

      if anyone has suggestions on how to design an MLM Opportunity clickfunnel flow I am all ears.

      Also, once the new site is designed, I will offet my clickfunnel to the people in my team, as a done-for-you site that they can now use online!

      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
    why is MLM associated with internet marketing??

    its a pyramid scheme, plain and simple..

    i dont enjoy being lumped in with the MLM crowd.

    if you're starting MLM, please reconsider..

    you can make money online ethically
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

      why is MLM associated with internet marketing??

      its a pyramid scheme, plain and simple..

      i dont enjoy being lumped in with the MLM crowd.

      if you're starting MLM, please reconsider..

      you can make money online ethically
      You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
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      • Profile picture of the author aizaku
        Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

        You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
        you mean this right?

        https://g33k5p34k.files.wordpress.co...nfographic.jpg

        it's disgusting how the word "hire" is used in the image.

        to get an accurate description, replace hire with 'trick and swindle'
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        • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
          Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

          you mean this right?

          https://g33k5p34k.files.wordpress.co...nfographic.jpg

          it's disgusting how the word "hire" is used in the image.

          to get an accurate description, replace hire with 'trick and swindle'
          An you think this silly graphic represents all of MLM... LOL

          Again... you obviously have no clue what you're talking about.
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          • Profile picture of the author aizaku
            Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

            An you think this silly graphic represents all of MLM... LOL

            Again... you obviously have no clue what you're talking about.
            Do you laugh your way to the bank when you trick some poor fool into your down line?

            you're right, I don't know the first thing about this type of evil..

            again, if you're thinking about trying out MLM then run the other way... These people are tricksters and shysters

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            • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
              Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

              Do you laugh your way to the bank when you trick some poor fool into your down line?

              you're right, I don't know the first thing about this type of evil..
              You clearly don't know the first thing about business in
              general. But you do know how to shoot off your mouth
              as if you do...

              My best guess is I have more than a hundred people in
              my downline earning more in a month than you earned in the
              past six months.

              I have never tricked anyone into joining anything. Anyone who
              had the first clue about how anything works would know just how
              stupid that would be.

              But you just keep on pretending you know something... I don't
              respond for your benefit. I respond for the people who see your
              ridiculous uninformed crap and might want to hear from someone
              who actually knows what he's talking about.
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              • Profile picture of the author aizaku
                don't get mad...
                you might scare away the next batch of pyramid slaves...

                And I have no doubt that you have a hundred people in your downline that you've exploited for years on end. As for how much they make, tell yourself whatever you need to help you sleep at night.

                This is cute, is this what you tell your prospects:
                Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                I have never tricked anyone into joining anything. Anyone who
                had the first clue about how anything works would know just how
                stupid that would be..
                I dont need to pretend I got you to spin me fairy tales...
                Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                But you just keep on pretending you know something... I don't
                respond for your benefit. I respond for the people who see your
                ridiculous uninformed crap and might want to hear from someone
                who actually knows what he's talking about
                The problem comes when ppl here actually believe these fairy tales, I'm just trying to keep the chicken hawks away from the coop....
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                • Profile picture of the author DABK
                  I bought something from an MLM company that I liked. I did not promote it to anyone. But did use it. The set up for this company tricks no one into doing anything. It sells a couple of products. You can also recruit. You have to buy to recruit.

                  I did not promote because I'm too busy with other things that already perform.

                  I am saying that there is at least 1 company that doesn't do things the way you say that I know of.

                  Which means to me that your responses are off.

                  PS I've come across MLM companies like the ones you describe too.

                  Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

                  don't get mad...
                  you might scare away the next batch of pyramid slaves...

                  And I have no doubt that you have a hundred people in your downline that you've exploited for years on end. As for how much they make, tell yourself whatever you need to help you sleep at night.

                  This is cute, is this what you tell your prospects:


                  I dont need to pretend I got you to spin me fairy tales...


                  The problem comes when ppl here actually believe these fairy tales, I'm just trying to keep the chicken hawks away from the coop....
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                  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
                    Thanks Dabk for sharing your experience with an exception to the rule.

                    That being said, you're not trying to run an MLM business you just got their product and found value in it

                    Luckily no one tried to recruit you into their downline.

                    and congrats on your success with your other ventures.

                    Originally Posted by DABK View Post

                    I bought something from an MLM company that I liked. I did not promote it to anyone. But did use it. The set up for this company tricks no one into doing anything. It sells a couple of products. You can also recruit. You have to buy to recruit.

                    I did not promote because I'm too busy with other things that already perform.

                    I am saying that there is at least 1 company that doesn't do things the way you say that I know of.

                    Which means to me that your responses are off.

                    PS I've come across MLM companies like the ones you describe too.
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                    • Profile picture of the author TobiasThomsen
                      MLM is a way for a business to get products out to consumers effectively. Why is it any different than buying a franchise, do you also say that franchises are scams because their products are sold by different owners? You have the wrong mindset about MLMs. It is true that some companies do MLM on the edge, but that doesn't mean you can say what you are saying about ALL MLM companies.

                      Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

                      Thanks Dabk for sharing your experience with an exception to the rule.

                      That being said, you're not trying to run an MLM business you just got their product and found value in it

                      Luckily no one tried to recruit you into their downline.

                      and congrats on your success with your other ventures.
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                    • Profile picture of the author DABK
                      Someone did try to recruit me and I know a handful of people he did recruit. Of the handful (handful means 5, 1 unhappy, 4 are happy... 3 years later.)

                      Anyway, you seem to have made up your mind and extrapolate from the ones you had experience with to everyone...

                      Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

                      Thanks Dabk for sharing your experience with an exception to the rule.

                      That being said, you're not trying to run an MLM business you just got their product and found value in it

                      Luckily no one tried to recruit you into their downline.

                      and congrats on your success with your other ventures.
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                • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
                  Originally Posted by aizaku View Post


                  And I have no doubt that you have a hundred people in your downline that you've exploited for years on end. As for how much they make, tell yourself whatever you need to help you sleep at night.
                  Apparently you can't read and understand English.
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                  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
                    Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                    And again... no one who actually knows how this business model operates has done that for years. Sounds to me like you had a negative failed experience at one time and think that makes you an expert. It doesn't.
                    I've had numerous negative failed experiences that's why I am me and not something like you...

                    Unfortunately, MLM is not among them.... Perhaps the chicken hawks didn't see any value in me... which begs the question.

                    When you are out on the prowl for a downline "representative", what do you look for? a simple mind? a broken leg? a willingness to please?

                    Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                    Apparently you can't read and understand English.
                    And it took you over a week's worth of communication with me to figure that out? Would you prefer we carry on this conversation in Spanish or in Japanese? Forgive me but that's all my ignorant mind can accommodate you with....
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                      Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

                      I've had numerous negative failed experiences that's why I am me and not something like you...
                      Sure... that makes perfect sense. If you had the first clue what
                      something like me is you might have an intelligent comment to
                      offer. So far... none.

                      When you are out on the prowl for a downline "representative", what do you look for? a simple mind? a broken leg? a willingness to please?
                      More of your ignorance. Professionals don't "prowl" for anything.

                      Interesting you ignored my response to the other person on the
                      success rate for what you do. I'm willing to bet 6 months of my
                      earnings that I've coached and mentored more people to a steady
                      $1000/month (and much more) than you ever dreamed of.

                      What's funny about you is how you accuse others of scamming
                      people and being dishonest while you offer one of the scammiest
                      little landing pages I've seen in a while. Good luck with all those
                      illegal income claims, promises of success and... oh... wait... the
                      most cliched and scammy enticement of all time...

                      "Do You Want To Make $20 To $100 a Day While You Sleep?"

                      I'd be embarrassed to even think that phrase in the company of
                      a legit prospect.

                      To top things off your sig link offers "Free Simple Straightforward Method"
                      which you, of course, sell for $197 at the site so... I guess deception is your
                      game.


                      You have ZERO credibility.
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                      • Profile picture of the author aizaku
                        Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                        Sure... that makes perfect sense. If you had the first clue what something like me is you might have an intelligent comment to
                        offer. So far... none.
                        Absolutely right, i'm fascinated yet puzzled by what you are...

                        So far I've deduced that your round (from your image), conniving (from your words) and you prey on the desperate and weak for monetary sustenance.... (from what you sell)

                        like a cuddly Dracula.. Did I peg you right?

                        Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                        More of your ignorance. Professionals don't "prowl" for anything.

                        Interesting you ignored my response to the other person on the
                        success rate for what you do. I'm willing to bet 6 months of my
                        earnings that I've coached and mentored more people to a steady
                        $1000/month (and much more) than you ever dreamed of.

                        What's funny about you is how you accuse others of scamming
                        people and being dishonest while you offer one of the scammiest
                        little landing pages I've seen in a while. Good luck with all those
                        illegal income claims, promises of success and... oh... wait... the
                        most cliched and scammy enticement of all time...

                        "Do You Want To Make $20 To $100 a Day While You Sleep?"

                        I'd be embarrassed to even think that phrase in the company of
                        a legit prospect.

                        To top things off your sig link offers "Free Simple Straightforward Method"
                        which you, of course, sell for $197 at the site so... I guess deception is your
                        game. You have ZERO credibility.
                        Sweet heart... you shouldn't have!

                        If you didn't get the free ebook and videos as promised then check your email or contact me... Everything else is supplementary

                        As for my credibility...true, most of my credibility is in the baby shower niche were I make the bulk of my profit selling prints.

                        I tried to reciprocate but your sig led me to some type of facebook pet store with an image of an old dog and a ball and a stick...

                        Anyways, after that nonsense... I read the first post on your "professional facebook page" about how a homeless girl earned over 50 million dollars in just two short years doing MLM? Jee Weez is that really true?

                        Is this how MLM perps lure new downliners by first confusing them with animal symbolism then hitting them up with a rags to riches tale? Little culty, no?
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                          Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

                          I read the first post on your "professional facebook page" about how a homeless girl earned over 50 million dollars in just two short years doing MLM? Jee Weez is that really true?
                          It can't be true because that's not what I wrote. You're either
                          completely ignorant of the difference between sales and profits
                          or you're simply lying about what you read.

                          The young woman I wrote about is doing in excess of $48 Million
                          in annual sales volume within the team she has built. And Jeez Weez,
                          that's true.

                          But you keep avoiding the truth... your phony illegal income claims
                          and the fact that very few people who buy your crap actually experience
                          success (that's a given in the make money IM market) yet you feel
                          all self righteous and judgmental.

                          Good luck with that. Meanwhile, you're wasting bandwidth and oxygen.
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                          • Profile picture of the author aizaku
                            I dont think it matters what you wrote if you're just going to lie about homeless people becoming millionaires within a one or two year time frame.

                            Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                            It can't be true because that's not what I wrote. You're either completely ignorant of the difference between sales and profits or you're simply lying about what you read. The young woman I wrote about is doing in excess of $48 Million in annual sales volume within the team she has built. And Jeez Weez,that's true.
                            Are there a small number of millionaires that were once homeless, sure... from MLM, I dont think so...

                            but to associate yourself with the "secret sauce" on how to turn a homeless person into a millionaire really is despicable.

                            Don't try to take down or edit that post to hide your true scammy nature...

                            Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                            But you keep avoiding the truth... your phony illegal income claims and the fact that very few people who buy your crap actually experience
                            success (that's a given in the make money IM market) yet you feel
                            all self righteous and judgmental. Good luck with that. Meanwhile, you're wasting bandwidth and oxygen.
                            Don't only thing phony about me is the shirt I wear when I make diaper cake videos for my baby shower site..

                            And of course I feel self righteous and judgmental, when I see people like you selling ways to profit that don't actually work, unless of course you become a parasite.

                            Get rid of that old dog on your "Professional" facebook page and use a more appropriate image:

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                            Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                            It can't be true because that's not what I wrote. You're either completely ignorant of the difference between sales and profits
                            or you're simply lying about what you read.

                            The young woman I wrote about is doing in excess of $48 Million
                            in annual sales volume within the team she has built. And Jeez Weez,
                            that's true.
                            Well it is obvious that he is either ignorant or lying regarding your words. I actually did a little research on her & watched a recent interview on YouTube yesterday... she grew her business primarily because of social media. Even those not in MLM could learn much in that interview.

                            The monthly sales volume of her business organization is currently $7 million a month so annual sales volume will be skyrocketing as well. It was easy to do some fact-checking on her as she is currently either the 4th or 5th top earner in the company she is with. She also has 600 personal customers of which many are loyal customers or have decided to become a distributor.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
                              Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

                              Well it is obvious that he is either ignorant or lying regarding your words. I actually did a little research on her & watched a recent interview on YouTube yesterday... she grew her business primarily because of social media. Even those not in MLM could learn much in that interview.

                              The monthly sales volume of her business organization is currently $7 million a month so annual sales volume will be skyrocketing as well. It was easy to do some fact-checking on her as she is currently either the 4th or 5th top earner in the company she is with. She also has 600 personal customers of which many are loyal customers or have decided to become a distributor.
                              Yeah... we've seen a thousand flakes like him... talks a lot of smack but knows nothing.
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                                Originally Posted by tsnyder&wentzco View Post

                                Well it is obvious that he is either ignorant or lying regarding your words. I actually did a little research on her & watched a recent interview on YouTube yesterday... she grew her business primarily because of social media. Even those not in MLM could learn much in that interview.

                                The monthly sales volume of her business organization is currently $7 million a month so annual sales volume will be skyrocketing as well. It was easy to do some fact-checking on her as she is currently either the 4th or 5th top earner in the company she is with. She also has 600 personal customers of which many are loyal customers or have decided to become a distributor.

                                Yeah... we've seen a thousand flakes like him... talks a lot of smack but knows nothing.
                                that's sweet of you to say....

                                but you're still deflecting from the points i made in my last post...

                                I dont blame you, how could anybody answer for those types of shady business deals....

                                doesnt matter, you're MLM jesus (the rags to riches homeless person) "reps" for yet another scammy company...

                                Younique, is it? Just a cursory search reveals all kinds of typical MLM behavior and unethical practices...

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                                • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
                                  Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

                                  that's sweet of you to say....

                                  but you're still deflecting from the points i made in my last post...
                                  You made no points and your graphic was silly. It doesn't look or
                                  work that way at all.

                                  And you still can't answer the one simple question asked...

                                  You're wasting bandwidth and perfectly good oxygen so until
                                  you can answer that question you can go ahead and post your
                                  ignorant rants. I'll be back if I see an answer...
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                                  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
                                    Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

                                    Those people use pseudonyms to protect ther identity. It's a con trying to gain people's confidence pretending you are a woman as a mommy blogger

                                    aizuka says - "I foolishly started my baby shower blog (at the time) with a fake female pen name because I was afraid nobody would read my content if they knew I was a 6 ft 200 lb man. I believed nobody would listen to me even though I did all the proper research on the subject."
                                    you really do LOVE those cherries!

                                    Yes Wentzco, that's public knowledge. It's on my blog for the world to see...Never does it state that using a pseudonym is wrong or illegal.. but you know that right Wentzco

                                    I guess these people are all con artist too, according to you:
                                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pen_names

                                    con – to trick or persuade dishonestly. I thought you're on Snyder's side? I'm sure this doesn't help his point.. Being that he does, or did, this for a living..

                                    Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

                                    So is someone who posts/reposts an image that doesn't know how to spell "lose" supposed to be a trusted source? LOL
                                    Thank you, Exactly my point, MLMarketers target people like this

                                    the uneducated, the disenfranchised, the poor, the desperate etc...

                                    Just like Herbalife victimized scores of hispanic communities... Yes herbalife, the 3rd most profitable MLM company right now (according to a source YOU brought up: http://directsellingnews.com/index.p...t#.V7QbZlt942y)


                                    Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

                                    You know I'm not really active in MLM at this time compared to my past days as posts in this thread show. However when I see libelous clowns like aizaku (pretended he was a woman to gain people's confidence on his mommy blog - con man) throwing out ignorant nonsense & outright lies... something needs to be said.
                                    Don't worry sweetie I'm saying it. the only lie here is the reason why you stopped doing MLM, Dare I say it, you have a conscience!

                                    Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                                    You made no points and your graphic was silly. It doesn't look or work that way at all. And you still can't answer the one simple question asked....
                                    Yes I did, and yes it illustrates your business perfectly... Plus as wentsy pointed out, it shows the type of people you target.

                                    and stop drawing comparisons between what i do and what you do...

                                    I teach people to fill a demand and service their traffic... Which Ive done outside of the IM niche

                                    you teach people to trick other people to trick other people and so on....all the while dragging a product along that nobody wants from one fool to the next..

                                    That being said....you've proven yourself a hell of a PR guy, promoting my posts and drawing up all this attention to my sig, you even got your lackey committed to promoting me...

                                    I'm just worried people are going to think that you're working for me.

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                                  Most J O B 's are structured and paying like a pyramid
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                      • Profile picture of the author William Waltham
                        I don't do MLM, but, I've got to admit, there are some good MLM products out there. My wife buys from, I think, four different MLM companies, but she doesn't sell, either. She just really likes the products, and buys for the products alone. Some of the stuff she buys regularly has really impressed me, and I've asked her to buy it for me, too. So, I can see why some people get into MLM. If it's a good product....and there ARE some truly quality ones...then it seems people might be naturally inclined to want to share them with others, and make some money while doing it. Just my opinion, though. Like I said, I've never actually sold anything with an MLM.
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      • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
        Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

        why is MLM associated with internet marketing??

        its a pyramid scheme, plain and simple..

        i dont enjoy being lumped in with the MLM crowd.

        if you're starting MLM, please reconsider..

        you can make money online ethically


        Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

        You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
        That is just to funny, internet marketing involves anything that you market online that's why it's called internet marketing so why wouldn't MLM be considered internet marketing.
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        • Profile picture of the author aizaku
          Fair Enough...

          Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

          That is just to funny, internet marketing involves anything that you market online that's why it's called internet marketing so why wouldn't MLM be considered internet marketing.
          but you're missing the salient point.... MLM is inherently evil, you have to convince people to buy in to a business they'll never own for themselves...

          The "representative" is left pushing after-the-fact "products" that require them to repeat the process often times on friends and loved ones causing the "pusher/representative" feeling alienated and ostracized....

          Sure you got scammers in IM too..

          but internet marketing itself... the process of researching a niche, building a site around that niche, bringing traffic to your site and creating products for your audience based on their market's demand is not only ethical but rewarding.

          And to bring it back to my original post on this thread, I despise that what I do (IM/CM) is sometimes grouped into MLM filth
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    It doesn't matter if you are promoting MLM Online, selling CB products or even E books. If you're looking for extraordinary results to the point of making a your 'breakthrough', it's not easy. But it's possible.

    However having said all this...

    I would say that 95% (or more) will still fail (due to 'mindset' issues, lack of education, no plan and not enough action).
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    • Profile picture of the author ethanre
      Originally Posted by Rory Singh View Post

      It doesn't matter if you are promoting MLM Online, selling CB products or even E books. If you're looking for extraordinary results to the point of making a your 'breakthrough', it's not easy. But it's possible.

      However having said all this...

      I would say that 95% (or more) will still fail (due to 'mindset' issues, lack of education, no plan and not enough action).


      Thumbs up! exactly. Mindset, Action, right action, support, training and goals. Not everyone wants millions, some people just want an extra $100 a month or to get free products now and then.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pete
    What if your MLM sold no products, had no fees, ever, and was willing to pay millions to their members just to watch advertising. That way the Active members, the one who promote and participate in the program really don't need to concern themselves if their down-lines were crumbling. It's free so it's easy to fill up again.

    It's not very hard to promote something that will always be free.

    It's been my position all along that "most" not all MLM's only offer training as a product with ever increasing monthly fees, to encourage their down-lines to recruit more people who in turn try and recruit more and more people. That is the type of MLM that you will find the crumbling down-lines in.
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  • Profile picture of the author imran20
    “Determination is the key ingredient for every entrepreneur.”

    At some point in your life you’ve been pitched a multi-level marketing (MLM), direct selling, or network marketing business opportunity. While the pitch varies from company to company, it basically promises a chance to ditch your 9-5 work schedule, be your own boss, and make lots of money while making new friends in the process.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxsi
    why is MLM associated with internet marketing??
    its a pyramid scheme, plain and simple..


    you don't know what MLM is....
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  • Profile picture of the author maxsi
    after $600K+ generated from online businesses, I can say internet is => "The Real BEAST"

    YES you can live by getting passive income from the internet
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    Bugger me. When I saw that I thought it was one of those old threads that have somehow been put on page 1.

    I made up to £17000 a month (about $22,300) from network marketing back in the early 90s.

    Back then, there were folks like me who refined pitching to business people and then there were the majority who simply irritated their family members and friends until they were never invited anywhere again. Ever.

    These days just replace the word irritating to spamming and you can instantlysee the difference that the internet has made.
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    i kinda like MLM n like to bring offline n online method all together.. that's the only way to do it quickly I think. PUre online, not all people are comfortable buying n joining somebody that's not real, but for lower ticket items MLM, it's OK I think to do it full online (lower than $100 a month)
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  • Profile picture of the author DURABLEOILCOM
    A true MLM Company Starts with a Great Premium Quality Product or Service, everything else comes secondary. If you are in a company that strictly pushed the recruitment of others in order to make profit that is not a legit MLM company. Once you find a company with quality product you get to work selling that product or service, everything else is all designed to ultimately sell the product at a faster rate.

    Just to clear the air there alot of wanna be "MLM" companies. But at the same time there are plenty of Legacy MLM companies that have been practicing good Business for more than 20+ years. There is no other business model that allows you to start your own business for less than $100. The bottom line with anything in life is you Reap what you sow.

    Definition of MLM
    MLM Or Multi-level Marketing is a unique form of distributing products and services. Instead of using a regular distribution channel, MLM companies sell their products and services directly to consumers. That's why it's also called Direct Selling. When these consumers or customers like these products and services, naturally they start sharing it with others. MLM companies pay you when people buy their products and services from your recommendation. You also have the ability to build a team of Distributors, generally consisting of happy consumers recommended by you and those you recommend and those they recommend and so on. Opposite to common belief, you are not paid to recruit people, you are paid depending on the total sales volume achieved from your entire team. Instead of wasting money on advertisements, MLM companies reward their consumers and distributors for their word-of-mouth advertisement efforts.
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    • Profile picture of the author Virginia Sanders
      MLm is no different than affiliate marketing. You need people to offer products and services and the vehicle you choose is all about marketing. MLM has come full circle on the Internet. The Internet offers the ability to reach the thousands if not millions of individuals that a business needs to survive. The difference is a legitimate MLM versus the "skank" nes is the product. If the product is the focal point of the transaction, the business model is as legitimate as any online sale. If the focus is to just recruit warm bodies then it is in fact a pyramid scheme. Knowledge is a great weapon against the ignorant and ill informed. Do your due dilligence on your MLM to find out what it really is Then go forth.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    IMO the internet has created opportunity for almost any/every industry to perform online (or even exclusively online)
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  • Profile picture of the author wentzco
    Well I've seen rather clueless statements in this thread calling MLM a scam, pyramid or fairy tale. Here is a list showing well-established network marketing companies & their revenues from last year.

    2016 DSN Global 100 List &mdash; Direct Selling News

    They don't reach these revenue volumes from being a fairy tale but providing quality products that people purchase to use (distributors & customers).

    You can also take a peak at some of the videos from an industry trainer which includes interviews with Tony Robbins, Les Brown, Richard Branson, Robert Kiyosaki & others. https://www.youtube.com/user/ericwor...ow=grid&sort=p

    Now I haven't really been heavily active in MLM since back around 2000 when I was a National Sales Director for a health product company which merged with another. However a few years back my wife became involved with a company selling body wrap, nutritional & cosmetics. The products are high quality & fairly priced plus has an attractive loyal customer program.

    Here's what happened - people wanted to try the products & ordered them. They became "tied" into the distributor (my wife) so that every order from then on she gets paid commissions. Some customers later became distributors & some people decided to become distributors right of the bat. Basically thru one person who became a distributor her business has developed into thousand$ of monthly product sales. With MLM (network marketing) you can get rewarded financially month after month for the connections you made as well on their efforts throughout your organization. Leverage is how you can compound your income. You never know who in your organization will grab the bull by the horns which will provide you residual financial rewards.

    Here is what happens in affiliate marketing typically. You send a merchant a customer who orders a product & you get paid a commission. When customers reorder products from the merchant... you receive nothing. Of course there are exceptions in lifetime commission affiliate programs. Here's another fact that we all know happens. Let's say you send a Clickbank merchant a customer which you get paid a commission. Soon after this Clickbank merchant is pitching the customer you brought to the table other merchant products using their own affiliate link. This doesn't happen in MLM companies as trust between distributors & the company would be instantly demolished.

    Personally I have considered launching a MLM company but don't really want the responsibility. Domain name sales & affiliate product sales is my current main income. One thing that I do see within MLM companies is that many don't have websites for distributors that make the customer purchase pitch as their prime focus. I also dislike it when companies charge distributors monthly fees to have a website & for back office access (stats, organization info, etc.). There is room for improvement regarding these matters in the industry. I do understand though that MLM software is drastically more expensive than affiliate scripts.

    So anyway - I recommend ignoring people who scream out scam, fairy tale or pyramid as they really don't know what they are talking about & lack experience. Yes - there are questionable companies that use an MLM compensation structure. When looking at an MLM - ask yourself if you or others that you know would purchase the product if there wasn't any money to be earned. If yes then consider becoming a distributor to share the products & opportunity with others. People join companies to buy products they want (customer or distributor) and/or because they desire to build an extra income. They also will join or order "because they want to do business with you". If you're an asshole, then MLM isn't for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author aizaku
      Originally Posted by TobiasThomsen View Post

      MLM is a way for a business to get products out to consumers effectively. Why is it any different than buying a franchise?
      Thanks for your input Toby

      Can you guess which one is Franchise and which one is MLM?

      A Owning your business and building equity

      B Being a "representative" not the actual owner and building no equity

      Originally Posted by DABK View Post

      Someone did try to recruit me and I know a handful of people he did recruit. Of the handful (handful means 5, 1 unhappy, 4 are happy... 3 years later.)
      These 5 were happy with what?

      Anyways, I'm 'Happy' to hear you weren't recruited. Keep working towards your goals and know that you made the right choice..

      Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

      So anyway - I recommend ignoring people who scream out scam, fairy tale or pyramid as they really don't know what they are talking about & lack experience. Yes - there are questionable companies that use an MLM compensation structure. When looking at an MLM - ask yourself if you or others that you know would purchase the product if there wasn't any money to be earned. If yes then consider becoming a distributor to share the products & opportunity with others. People join companies to buy products they want (customer or distributor) and/or because they desire to build an extra income. They also will join or order "because they want to do business with you". If you're an asshole, then MLM isn't for you.
      Thanks for breaking down MLM for me with that wondrous story.. How would you title it? The Little Representative That Could....?

      Just making fun... but really, I have no doubt that MLM COMPANIES make tons of money, my concern is with how they make this money and with who

      these "representatives" and their constant focus on the downline and not the product, that's what really motivates me to say: Stay away from MLM...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-...and_legitimacy
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

        Thanks for your input Toby

        Can you guess which one is Franchise and which one is MLM?

        A Owning your business and building equity

        B Being a "representative" not the actual owner and building no equity
        More of your ignorance.

        these "representatives" and their constant focus on the downline and not the product, that's what really motivates me to say: Stay away from MLM...
        And again... no one who actually knows how this business model
        operates has done that for years.

        Sounds to me like you had a negative failed experience at one time
        and think that makes you an expert.

        It doesn't.
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    • Profile picture of the author Pete
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      Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

      Well I've seen rather clueless statements in this thread calling MLM a scam, pyramid or fairy tale

      So anyway - I recommend ignoring people who scream out scam, fairy tale or pyramid as they really don't know what they are talking about & lack experience. Yes - there are questionable companies that use an MLM compensation structure. When looking at an MLM - ask yourself if you or others that you know would purchase the product if there wasn't any money to be earned. If yes then consider becoming a distributor to share the products & opportunity with others. People join companies to buy products they want (customer or distributor) and/or because they desire to build an extra income. They also will join or order "because they want to do business with you". If you're an asshole, then MLM isn't for you.
      Exactly right, couldn't have said it better myself!
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      • Profile picture of the author aizaku
        Originally Posted by Pete View Post

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        Exactly right, couldn't have said it better myself!
        oh oh.. we got a ripe one boys!

        Which one of you are going to 'down' line'em?

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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    When looking at an MLM - ask yourself if you or others that you know would purchase the product if there wasn't any money to be earned. If yes then consider becoming a distributor to share the products & opportunity with others.
    Here's the difference:

    #1 There is a product. The owners want help with sales. They recruit independent "distributors" and reward them for recruiting others.

    #2 A "compensation plan" is created. Then a product is found or created to meet the legal requirements.

    Some products from MLM's I've participated in over the years:

    Candy - It was good candy.

    Magnets- For health benefits.

    Postcards - The stamped kind.

    Stamps - Just regular stamps.

    Gold coins - I think I still have some somewhere...



    I've tested many since the 80s and when you look at the big picture, MLM still stands for Most Lose Money.
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    • Profile picture of the author aizaku
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      I've tested many since the 80s and when you look at the big picture, MLM still stands for Most Lose Money.
      To quote Pete
      Originally Posted by Pete View Post

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      Exactly right, couldn't have said it better myself!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      I've tested many since the 80s and when you look at the big picture, MLM still stands for Most Lose Money.
      Just curious..., what do you suppose the success rate
      is for people who engage in internet marketing?

      Of the hundreds of thousands of members of this forum
      how many six figure annual earners do you think there are?

      100?

      How many six figure monthly earners do you think there are?

      5? Maybe? Are any of them still active on the forum?

      How many members of this forum do you think have earned $1000 per month?

      How is this different than your clever Most Lose Money?
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  • Profile picture of the author kaksahhot
    hi all...since this is a MLM thread

    would you like to share the MLM script that you used to build a large networking site ?
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  • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
    I don't know why you guys are fighting over what kind of work you both do, because the things each of you guys do is equally bad.

    aizaku based on your sig website, your approach is no different than MLMers trying to sell their sub-par products in real life. The only difference is you are promoting crappy affiliate products. I agree with you on the MLM parts of your arguments though.

    Which brings me to Tsnyder. I've seen him around for years. He's the champion hero for MLM and he's been at it for years. I remember seeing his MLM blog awhile back that died out (not that it was popular or anything). Now his sig link is pointed at a dead facebook group. If you're so good at what you do, why can't you keep a following active for more than a few months?

    Judging from all the arrogant responses you make (none of which actually explain why anyone is wrong about MLM. Just that they don't know anything...) you would think you would have a hoard of people wanting to follow everything you say and become the next big thing in MLM right? Oh wait...

    Tsynder is or was apart of some type of flower / or giftcard MLM company. I don't know how well that's treating him if he has to spend all his time coaching new students to bring in "a steady stream of $1000 a month"... which is the perfect example of an average MLMer...Work your ass off for peanuts.

    I understand why both of you want to defend your way of making money. That's all both of you really know. More power to you if both of you can make it work, but don't act like what both of you do isn't shady in some way or another.

    As for everyone else reading this thread... There is a big lesson to be learned here from these two arguing.

    Spend your time building a real business that YOU own. You don't want to be another warrior trying to build an email list selling crappy affiliate products to people for money. And you don't want to be that guy who starts doing MLM for 15+ years building a business for someone else with nothing to show for it at the end.
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    • Profile picture of the author wentzco
      Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

      Tsynder is or was apart of some type of flower / or giftcard MLM company. I don't know how well that's treating him if he has to spend all his time coaching new students to bring in "a steady stream of $1000 a month"... which is the perfect example of an average MLMer...Work your ass off for peanuts.

      I understand why both of you want to defend your way of making money. That's all both of you really know. More power to you if both of you can make it work, but don't act like what both of you do isn't shady in some way or another.

      As for everyone else reading this thread... There is a big lesson to be learned here from these two arguing.

      Spend your time building a real business that YOU own. You don't want to be another warrior trying to build an email list selling crappy affiliate products to people for money. And you don't want to be that guy who starts doing MLM for 15+ years building a business for someone else with nothing to show for it at the end.
      Well do remember Tsnyder from old AOL discussion boards back in the late 1990s & presume he is with the same health product company if I remember correctly (I believe he uses a greeting card company as a business builder tool which also is MLM). I'm pretty positive that in the last 15+ years that his income has provided more than enough for retirement. As far as building a business for someone else with nothing to show for it... that isn't how it works. You do own your business. You can sell your network marketing business if you choose or like many with well-established organizations... pass it on to your kids. I also highly doubt he is working his ass off though he may have initially.
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      • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
        Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

        Well do remember Tsnyder from old AOL discussion boards back in the late 1990s & presume he is with the same health product company if I remember correctly (I believe he uses a greeting card company as a business builder tool which also is MLM). I'm pretty positive that in the last 15+ years that his income has provided more than enough for retirement. As far as building a business for someone else with nothing to show for it... that isn't how it works. You do own your business. You can sell your network marketing business if you choose or like many with well-established organizations... pass it on to your kids. I also highly doubt he is working his ass off though he may have initially.
        How exactly does one sell a network marketing business if your money comes from a MLM business?

        Unless you own some sort of asset like a website, store, or anything that can be transferred to the new person to take over the operations... there is nothing tangible there to sell.

        You can't sell your list of contacts, because why would anyone want to work with some random guy or business who bought "access" to them like cattle and expect to continue working with someone they don't even know? Isn't that the whole point of recruiting and training them to begin with? You would be working with someone that knows what they are doing?

        And I don't know the legalities of going up to a MLM company that pays you $1000 a month on the income your referrals make and asking them if they could "start paying this other guy instead because I sold him my "business"."

        They will probably tell you to piss off, because you don't actually own any rights to the people you brought in to that company. They are simply paying you out of their own pocket for doing so. It was never your "asset" to sell to begin with.

        Now if Tsnyder actually owns some sort of networking business where he makes money by recruiting people into his own program where he sells products, training, services, whatever. Then yea of course he could possibly sell that, but that has nothing to do with MLM directly. He is just selling those people on the idea of MLM.

        He might make some side income from the actual MLM company for referring those people, but it would be obvious that his REAL business is the networking / training business. Not MLM. The MLM would just be an added bonus if those people even make money doing it.

        Which brings this all back to another point. If the above example is exactly what he is doing, then his success would be attributed to the real business he has, the training and consulting work. Not MLM. He's just using MLM like someone on here would use something like email marketing as a skill you learn so you can sell training services. Those people don't have to make money doing email marketing, they just have to convince other people they know how to do it and sell them on the coaching / training.

        If that was the case, would you call that being successful at MLM? Or just using MLM as a way to make money off the people trying to do it by 'teaching' them?

        Either way if he actually had a consulting business training people how to do MLM, that would be a tiny bit more respectable than just trying to convince some random person to pay $500 to join some MLM company hes with so they could sling some crappy health products so he can make 5-10% on every sale they make.
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        • Profile picture of the author wentzco
          Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

          How exactly does one sell a network marketing business if your money comes from a MLM business?

          Unless you own some sort of asset like a website, store, or anything that can be transferred to the new person to take over the operations... there is nothing tangible there to sell.

          You can't sell your list of contacts, because why would anyone want to work with some random guy or business who bought "access" to them like cattle and expect to continue working with someone they don't even know? Isn't that the whole point of recruiting and training them to begin with? You would be working with someone that knows what they are doing?

          And I don't know the legalities of going up to a MLM company that pays you $1000 a month on the income your referrals make and asking them if they could "start paying this other guy instead because I sold him my "business"."

          They will probably tell you to piss off, because you don't actually own any rights to the people you brought in to that company. They are simply paying you out of their own pocket for doing so. It was never your "asset" to sell to begin with.

          Now if Tsnyder actually owns some sort of networking business where he makes money by recruiting people into his own program where he sells products, training, services, whatever. Then yea of course he could possibly sell that, but that has nothing to do with MLM directly. He is just selling those people on the idea of MLM.

          He might make some side income from the actual MLM company for referring those people, but it would be obvious that his REAL business is the networking / training business. Not MLM. The MLM would just be an added bonus if those people even make money doing it.

          Which brings this all back to another point. If the above example is exactly what he is doing, then his success would be attributed to the real business he has, the training and consulting work. Not MLM. He's just using MLM like someone on here would use something like email marketing as a skill you learn so you can sell training services. Those people don't have to make money doing email marketing, they just have to convince other people they know how to do it and sell them on the coaching / training.

          If that was the case, would you call that being successful at MLM? Or just using MLM as a way to make money off the people trying to do it by 'teaching' them?

          Either way if he actually had a consulting business training people how to do MLM, that would be a tiny bit more respectable than just trying to convince some random person to pay $500 to join some MLM company hes with so they could sling some crappy health products so he can make 5-10% on every sale they make.
          Selling downline organizations does indeed happen - it is a sales organization that is an asset of the distributor. If you don't think a sales organization producing $5K - $10k monthly or whatever is not an asset... I don't know what to say. They built it through their connections. Typically someone in the upline organization will aid in finding a buyer as they know people in the industry looking for an established sales organization. Sometimes even the company may purchase that position. The companies definitely want active distributors desiring to build businesses so they have little problems with downline business sales & have procedures in the term & conditions to handle these processes. There was "legal precedence" in a 1974 court case that said "FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION ORDER - Preventing distributors from entering into consignment agreements or selling their business to another individual." Plain & simple - distributors own their businesses & have the right to sell them. Your statement of "because you don't actually own any rights to the people you brought in to that company." is incorrect. Here's one industry person who does broker some downline businesses at Buy Sell MLM Companies MLM Downlines . (Not sure how active Rod is though now)

          Distributors get paid for product sales in their organization. Training provided by companies/distributors are for "producing more product sales" by teaching others proven methods of sharing the products & business. There is a reason why "teachers" are often very successful in network marketing by the way.

          If company products are crappy... these companies don't last. As I pointed out further above in this link at 2016 DSN Global 100 List &mdash; Direct Selling News - these are companies producing million$/billion$ annually with "quality" products that distributors/customers purchase "consistently" for a reason.
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          • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
            Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

            Selling downline organizations does indeed happen - it is a sales organization that is an asset of the distributor. If you don't think a sales organization producing $5K - $10k monthly or whatever is not an asset... I don't know what to say. They built it through their connections. Typically someone in the upline organization will aid in finding a buyer as they know people in the industry looking for an established sales organization. Sometimes even the company may purchase that position. The companies definitely want active distributors desiring to build businesses so they have little problems with downline business sales & have procedures in the term & conditions to handle these processes. There was "legal precedence" in a 1974 court case that said "FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION ORDER - Preventing distributors from entering into consignment agreements or selling their business to another individual." Plain & simple - distributors own their businesses & have the right to sell them. Your statement of "because you don't actually own any rights to the people you brought in to that company." is incorrect. Here's one industry person who does broker some downline businesses at Buy Sell MLM Companies MLM Downlines . (Not sure how active Rod is though now)

            Distributors get paid for product sales in their organization. Training provided by companies/distributors are for "producing more product sales" by teaching others proven methods of sharing the products & business. There is a reason why "teachers" are often very successful in network marketing by the way.

            If company products are crappy... these companies don't last. As I pointed out further above in this link at 2016 DSN Global 100 List &mdash; Direct Selling News - these are companies producing million$/billion$ annually with "quality" products that distributors/customers purchase "consistently" for a reason.

            That's actually good to hear that there is a law supporting the selling of your downline. That would actually make it an asset. Although judging from some of the prices I see for these downlines it doesn't look like they are valued anywhere near what a real business would be valued at on its earnings.

            The other problem is you are building a 'business asset' inside of another business. If the main business goes out of business, your assets are pretty much worthless. I won't even get into the numbers that support the claim that 99% of people will never even make it to a point where they have built any kind of downline in MLM, and those numbers come from the biggest MLM company, amway.

            and your point about...

            "these are companies producing million$/billion$ annually with "quality" products that distributors/customers purchase "consistently" for a reason."
            It's funny you put the distributor clause in there, because that's who really is buying the products. If we know that 99% of people in amway never really make any money. Who are all these customers that buy all these "great" products? I'm sure there are some people out there who might actually enjoy the products, but its quite obvious the bulk of amway product sales are by the failed distributors that constantly churn and burn out of these companies.

            Either way you try and spin it, getting into a MLM venture is not worth it compared to just starting your own business. But the truth is some people just don't have it in them to create a real business so they join MLM companies and play pretend CEO. I get it and I get why as a MLMer you would defend your choice of "business" so adamantly.
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            • Profile picture of the author wentzco
              Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post


              Either way you try and spin it, getting into a MLM venture is not worth it compared to just starting your own business. But the truth is some people just don't have it in them to create a real business so they join MLM companies and play pretend CEO. I get it and I get why as a MLMer you would defend your choice of "business" so adamantly.
              Well as I stated further above in the thread... I really haven't been active in MLM for years but do have years of experience as a distributor, as a company National Sales Director & compensation/marketing plan design. Domain name sales & affiliate income has been my focus though indeed I get the network marketing itch & have considered launching a company or really focusing in a company I have belief in.
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              • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
                Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

                Well as I stated further above in the thread... I rally haven't been active in MLM for years but do have years of experience as a distributor, as a company National Sales Director & compensation/marketing plan design. Domain name sales & affiliate income has been my focus though indeed I get the network marketing itch & have considered launching a company or really focusing in a company I have belief in.
                I'm curious, why did you decide to leave the MLM space?
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                • Profile picture of the author wentzco
                  Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

                  I'm curious, why did you decide to leave the MLM space?
                  Back in around 2000, the owner of the company I was National Marketing Director for decided to merge in with another company & I wasn't told it was going to occur. I told myself that I would need to own the company if I was going to work MLM again. I didn't really totally do that to the 100% degree but decided to focus primarily on domain names & affiliate marketing.

                  Back in the early to mid 2000s, you could have a good domain name, crappy website & rank on the first page of search engines. Even though in MLM, time freedom is spoken as a big plus but it isn't totally the case. One of the great things about MLM is the people involved. One of the bad things about MLM is the people involved... . My websites never complained to me but often distributors would. I probably would likely tell negative distributors nowadays to quit being so damn negative or I won't deal with them anymore. Again - I do get the MLM itch again lately.
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            Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

            2016 DSN Global 100 List &mdash; Direct Selling News - these are companies producing million$/billion$ annually with "quality" products that distributors/customers purchase "consistently" for a reason.
            Wait one second. This list of yours is for direct selling companies and you're not distinguishing the difference here between DS and MLM. That's not cool.

            I mean, just the top three companies on that list are laughable...

            *Avon for different reasons, as far as MLM goes they're in the clear.. they're a straight up DS company where you buy product and sell it WITHOUT THE NEED TO RECRUIT OTHERS..

            1. Amway & 3. Herbalife, Really? They've been mired in legal problems because of their MLM business models.
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            • Profile picture of the author wentzco
              Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

              Wait one second. This list of yours is for direct selling companies and you're not distinguishing the difference here between DS and MLM. That's not cool.

              I mean, just the top three companies on that list are laughable...

              *Avon for different reasons, as far as MLM goes they're in the clear.. they're a straight up DS company where you buy product and sell it WITHOUT THE NEED TO RECRUIT OTHERS..

              1. Amway & 3. Herbalife, Really? They've been mired in legal problems because of their MLM business models.
              Virtually everyone on that list is definitely multilevel as you can see here looking at compensation plan structures at 2016 Profiles &mdash; Direct Selling News . It does incorrectly list companies as single-level which actually are multi-level (Example #27 Market America - they use a binary MLM compensation plan. #70 Noevir uses a MLM unilevel compensation plan are just a couple I noticed.)

              Avon uses a MLM compensation plan & like other legitimate MLMs... you don't need to recruit people but can choose to focus on just gathering a customer base if you choose. The top earners in Avon have developed large organizations of distributors which provides them a "leveraged" income. Avon would not be as big as it is if it wasn't for their multi-level structure rewarding reps for building sales organizations.

              Amway hasn't had any issues in years (I'm not an Amway fan myself). Herbalife's recent issues have been resolved - Herbalife and the Federal Trade Commission Reach Settlement Agreement (NYSE:HLF) . This is actually a good thing for the company IMO as they (& others) need to place product sales to consumers/preferred customers as a major focus. They've always had retail customers but need to do better IMO. Like in many MLM companies - many distributors of Herbalife join just to purchase the product at distributor cost. They always have had high quality products that people want.

              The smart, faster-growing & more stable MLM companies put focus on distributors gathering retail & loyal customers. This is done with strong price discounts for customers as well as cash or product incentives for distributors to build a customer base. It also makes distributors more money in their organization. Example - let's say you are going to get paid for a distributor on your 1st or 2nd level 10% overrides. If those distributors are just placing orders for themselves than volume may be $60-$100 for example. However - lets say they have signed up 12 loyal customers placing orders & maybe a couple retail purchases than that distributors personal volumes goes from $60-$100 to likely $800+.
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              • Profile picture of the author aizaku
                Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

                Avon uses a MLM compensation plan & like other legitimate MLMs.
                You're right Avon is MLM, I stand corrected. I see that now..

                Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

                Amway hasn't had any issues in years (I'm not an Amway fan myself). Herbalife's recent issues have been resolved - Herbalife and the Federal Trade Commission Reach Settlement Agreement (NYSE:HLF) . T
                That being said, both Amway and Herbalife have terrible reputations because of MLM. Can you imagine telling someone "Yea, I sell Amway.." that person is going to run the other way in fear that you'll try to recruit them.. Herbalife is just the most recent incarnation of that... especially in hispanic communities

                Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

                The smart, faster-growing & more stable MLM companies put focus on distributors gathering retail & loyal customers. This is done with strong price discounts for customers as well as cash or product incentives for distributors to build a customer base. It also makes distributors more money in their organization.
                I dont know of these companies and I doubt they're real, MLM is inherently evil (i gave reasons up above.)

                I mean, even MLM's Wikipedia page makes it sounds unethical.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing

                not to say wiki is always right, but in this case... yes.
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                  Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

                  both Amway and Herbalife have terrible reputations because of MLM.
                  No... whatever reputation they have is the result of the practices
                  of a small percentage of the people in their INDEPENDENT distributor
                  force.


                  Can you imagine telling someone "Yea, I sell Amway.." that person is going to run the other way in fear that you'll try to recruit them..
                  Yet the last time I looked Amway is still handing out those Diamond
                  pins on a fairly regular basis.



                  I dont know of these companies and I doubt they're real
                  They're very real. Many (most... soon all) companies now require a
                  certain number of customers who aren't distributors or a certain level
                  of customer purchase volume before you can earn overrides on downline
                  volume.

                  The fact that you don't know about them isn't surprising. Why would you?
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                    You're back! Thank goodness, I was afraid you were in the big house....

                    Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                    No... whatever reputation they have is the result of the practices of a small percentage of the people in their INDEPENDENT distributor
                    force.
                    Again, with my ignorance... I don't know if you're just willing to say anything or you're just delusional

                    Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                    Yet the last time I looked Amway is still handing out those Diamond pins on a fairly regular basis.
                    Im sure they reward their top scammers....

                    Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                    The fact that you don't know about them isn't surprising. Why would you?
                    That's right, I dont know the inner workings of these different types of criminal organizations...
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                      Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

                      You're back! Thank goodness, I was afraid you were in the big house....
                      Don't worry. I'l always be around to let the public know whenever
                      you post incredibly silly nonsense on a subject you obviously know
                      nothing about.
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                        Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                        Don't worry. I'l always be around to let the public know whenever you post incredibly silly nonsense on a subject you obviously know nothing about.
                        Oh yea? you got somebody on the outside posting on your behalf? Life must be hard for an old-timey crook like you... I hear parasites don't fare well in prison....
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                          Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

                          Oh yea? you got somebody on the outside posting on your behalf? Life must be hard for an old-timey crook like you... I hear parasites don't fare well in prison....
                          I'm sure you'll find out soon enough...
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                            Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                            I'm sure you'll find out soon enough...
                            That's cute... You've been on this thread so long that you forgot my stance on the subject.

                            It's ok old timer, let me remind you....

                            I think MLM is a scam, and so do most of the folks you'll come across...

                            it's not to late to change your ways

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                              Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

                              That's cute... You've been on this thread so long that you forgot my stance on the subject.
                              I'm perfectly aware of your position of total ignorance. I'm referring
                              to the scammy make money while you sleep crap you're promoting.

                              You never answered the question... because you can't... and because
                              your numbers are likely worse than the worst mlm-er you've ever encountered.

                              What is the success rate of the people you've hooked with your
                              illegal income claims and phony pitch phrases?
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                                Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                                I'm perfectly aware of your position of total ignorance. I'm referring
                                to the scammy make money while you sleep crap you're promoting.

                                You never answered the question... because you can't... and because
                                your numbers are likely worse than the worst mlm-er you've ever encountered.

                                What is the success rate of the people you've hooked with your
                                illegal income claims and phony pitch phrases?
                                I don't know what question or questions you're referring to...

                                it also boggles the mind why you'd ask a totally ignorant person questions...

                                that being said.... I know diarrhea of the mouth is no laughing matter.

                                I'm hoping you'll pull through....
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                                  Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

                                  I don't know what question or questions you're referring to...
                                  Do you have even the slightest idea of how silly you look posting
                                  that sentence directly below the question? Of course you don't.

                                  Here it is again...

                                  What is the success rate of the people you've hooked with your
                                  illegal income claims and phony pitch phrases?

                                  it also boggles the mind why you'd ask a totally ignorant person questions...
                                  Since the question is about YOUR business thanks for telling the world
                                  that you're ignorant of your own business. I'm sure it will inspire confidence
                                  in your potential buyers.
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                                    Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                                    Of course you don't.Here it is again...
                                    What is the success rate of the people you've hooked with your
                                    illegal income claims and phony pitch phrases?
                                    I'm sorry, is that loaded question for me? I didn't know there was much wiggle room in being 'totally ignorant'.

                                    Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                                    I'm sure it will inspire confidence
                                    in your potential buyers.
                                    You see, there you go again, I dont need to inspire "confidence". I'm not in MLM... that's your game... You're the con man.

                                    Tell us, how does con-man Snyder inspire "confidence"? I'm sure you have a lot to say about that...

                                    Do you feed them the "exponential leverage" bit towards the beginning or the end of your con?
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                                      Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

                                      I'm sorry, is that loaded question for me? I didn't know there was much wiggle room in being 'totally ignorant'.



                                      You see, there you go again, I dont need to inspire "confidence". I'm not in MLM... that's your game... You're the con man.

                                      Tell us, how does con-man Snyder inspire "confidence"? I'm sure you have a lot to say about that...

                                      Do you feed them the "exponential leverage" bit towards the beginning or the end of your con?
                                      It's amusing watching you run away from a simple question.

                                      The truth is the people who buy your stuff have no greater success
                                      rate than anyone in MLM. The truth is you hook them with phony claims
                                      and pitch phrases... typical rookie marketing stuff.

                                      Cue the third grade I know you are but what am I response...
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                                        Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                                        It's amusing watching you run away from a simple question.

                                        The truth is the people who buy your stuff have no greater success
                                        rate than anyone in MLM. The truth is you hook them with phony claims
                                        and pitch phrases... typical rookie marketing stuff.

                                        Cue the third grade I know you are but what am I response...
                                        Who's running? I'm sitting front row, getting entertained by a master con-man..

                                        Question: do you have contracts in MLM? Does a contract materialize out of smoke and fire after you give your scripted con speech?

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                                          Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

                                          Who's running?
                                          You are. Answer the question.

                                          [B]Question:
                                          I'll be happy to answer any question you have... as soon as you
                                          answer the one simple question I asked...
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                                            Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                                            as soon as you
                                            answer the one simple question I asked...
                                            Never saw a simple question...

                                            I saw a loaded one predicated on falsehoods,,

                                            and its not a habit of mine to comply with the wishes of a con-man.

                                            besides, its much more entertaining watching you react to me. Or NOT react with the truth penetrating points I made earlier
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                                              Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

                                              Never saw a simple question...
                                              Let's simplify it further so you have no excuse...

                                              What is the success rate of those who have purchased
                                              the products you promote that purport to teach people how
                                              to earn money online?

                                              Doesn't get much simpler than that...
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                                                Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                                                What is the success rate of those who have purchased
                                                the products you promote that purport to teach people how
                                                to earn money online?
                                                approximately 99.7%
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                                                  Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

                                                  approximately 99.7%
                                                  Good... now you're making claims... Prove it.
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                                              Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

                                              Never saw a simple question...

                                              I saw a loaded one predicated on falsehoods,,

                                              and its not a habit of mine to comply with the wishes of a con-man.
                                              Speaking of falsehoods and con men... what do we have here?

                                              How To Create a Mom Blog From Scratch To Profit

                                              "JUNE 12, 2016 BY IKE PAZ

                                              First, you need to know who I am and why you should listen to me. I’m Ike Paz, a 37 year old man.
                                              That’s right, I’m not even a Mom; or a Dad for that matter!"

                                              "I foolishly started my baby shower blog (at the time) with a fake female pen name because I was afraid nobody would read my content if they knew I was a 6 ft 200 lb man."

                                              So you conned these people...
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                                                Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                                                approximately 99.7%: Good... now you're making claims... Prove it.

                                                Oh that?
                                                that's just the MLM failure rate, I thought I should feed you something....

                                                Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                                                "I foolishly started my baby shower blog (at the time) with a fake female pen name because I was afraid nobody would read my content if they knew I was a 6 ft 200 lb man."

                                                So you conned these people?
                                                Thanks for the shout out! ...Man, I can't thank you enough....

                                                Is having an actual reputable business a con? That's right, they came for diaper cakes and prints, and when they left my baby shower site....Guess What......? they left with diaper cakes and prints...

                                                ....wow, an actual business... who would have thought... I didn't have to con anybody.....

                                                I didn't have to rope my customers into some dubious MLM scheme, I have no expecting moms or baby shower hosts in some sort of wonky downline.

                                                Now.... if using a pseudonym makes you a con-artist then that puts a boat load of reputable business men/women, authors, musicians and everyday people on Facebook into the con-artist realm.

                                                hell, you could argue that creating pseudonyms is part of the zeitgeist of the internet..

                                                No.... I'm talking about actual con men, MLMers like you. That push after-thought products with no real market demand,,

                                                with the only TRUE objective is to put people into downlines and having them put others into their downlines.. until you got something that looks like this:



                                                All the while, destroying long lasting bonds and family relationships, and paying exorbitant buy-in fees with the promise of riches...

                                                On top of that, they own nothing, they're just "reps" with overpriced merch... You Know, An Actual Con..

                                                Maybe I'm missing something with MLM?

                                                What's that story again Snyder? The one you told about the homeless girl who became a multimillionaire in just two short years because of MLM....

                                                I like that fairy tale... I also like your Doctor Seuss-type ending you give with every story:

                                                Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                                                "If you knew what I know you'd be doing what I do"
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      Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

      aizaku based on your sig website, your approach is no different than MLMers trying to sell their sub-par products in real life. The only difference is you are promoting crappy affiliate products. I agree with you on the MLM parts of your arguments though.
      Bro, what do you have against Mark Ling? I proudly sell his IM products. He's method is the reason I get free traffic and profit on my baby shower site day in and day out.

      I dont need anybody to sell my baby shower prints, just me.

      But if you want to use MLM terminology then my "downline" consists of my Youtube channel, my funnel (aweber), my pinterest account and my Google rankings.

      I didn't have to trick anyone to make money online..

      That's why i have something useful to teach in the IM niche, I profit and help expecting mothers and baby shower hosts put on the events they want and I've been doing it for years.

      And if a 37 year old, 6 ft, 200 lb man can create a profitable site in a woman's dominated niche which he had no experience previously in, then I think I can contribute in the IM niche.

      Unlike the parasite you've seen me communicate with, I can sleep at night easily..
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      Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

      I don't know why you guys are fighting over what kind of work you both do, because the things each of you guys do is equally bad.

      aizaku based on your sig website, your approach is no different than MLMers trying to sell their sub-par products in real life. The only difference is you are promoting crappy affiliate products. I agree with you on the MLM parts of your arguments though.

      Which brings me to Tsnyder. I've seen him around for years. He's the champion hero for MLM and he's been at it for years. I remember seeing his MLM blog awhile back that died out (not that it was popular or anything). Now his sig link is pointed at a dead facebook group. If you're so good at what you do, why can't you keep a following active for more than a few months?

      Judging from all the arrogant responses you make (none of which actually explain why anyone is wrong about MLM. Just that they don't know anything...) you would think you would have a hoard of people wanting to follow everything you say and become the next big thing in MLM right? Oh wait...

      Tsynder is or was apart of some type of flower / or giftcard MLM company. I don't know how well that's treating him if he has to spend all his time coaching new students to bring in "a steady stream of $1000 a month"... which is the perfect example of an average MLMer...Work your ass off for peanuts.

      I understand why both of you want to defend your way of making money. That's all both of you really know. More power to you if both of you can make it work, but don't act like what both of you do isn't shady in some way or another.

      As for everyone else reading this thread... There is a big lesson to be learned here from these two arguing.

      Spend your time building a real business that YOU own. You don't want to be another warrior trying to build an email list selling crappy affiliate products to people for money. And you don't want to be that guy who starts doing MLM for 15+ years building a business for someone else with nothing to show for it at the end.
      And here we have another know it all who knows nothing. I've never been an advocate of
      building mlm online.... anyone who has read my posts over the years, as you claim to have
      done, would know that.

      I've dinked around here and there with online stuff... like the inactive page in my sig but have
      never focused on it because I just plain don't believe in it. The purpose of that page was to experiment
      with some Facebook advertising. Another mystery solved for you...

      There is absolutely nothing wrong with people earning a steady thousand dollars a month.
      What an absurd criticism. I have many six figure earners on my team as well. And here's the
      great part... I haven't actively worked that business in years. I don't have to. It's been self
      sustaining for a long time... we call that residual income... the stuff guys like you dream about.

      And guess what... I own it... I can sell it... I can will it to my children.

      The card and gift company you refer to is one of the best companies I've ever seen... in or
      out of MLM. I haven't built a big team with this company... not really motivated to do that level
      of work again and, thankfully, I don't need to. I love the product and have a bunch of customers.

      Some day when you have an open mind and feel like actually learning something I'd be happy
      to teach you how this business model actually works. Not interested in sponsoring either of
      you but I'm happy to enlighten you so you don't make such foolish posts in the future.

      Or... hey... keep bashing and criticizing something you obviously don't understand. I'll keep
      correcting the record.
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  • Profile picture of the author ritaroyani
    can you list down 10 best MLM to join ?
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  • Profile picture of the author dajjalkiller
    what is the best MLM to join now ?

    and any ebook or coaching or webinars that is good for MLM nowdays ?
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  • Profile picture of the author sedaknyobei
    is there any good mlm script available online ?
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  • Profile picture of the author rick98media
    I think most of the major MLM company's offer online integration as standard these days. I remember in the mid to late 1990's when Amway went online as Quixtar. I could be wrong but I think they were one of the first MLM company's to do this.

    Interesting to note is I know of one Amway rep back then who did lousy building exclusively through his warm market, but went online and his organization exploded almost right away.
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  • Profile picture of the author pisangkicap
    so the final verdict is MLM bad ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by pisangkicap View Post

      so the final verdict is MLM bad ?
      The final verdict is that MLM is neither bad nor good... people are.
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    • Profile picture of the author aizaku
      Originally Posted by pisangkicap View Post

      so the final verdict is MLM bad ?
      I've answered this already but let me add a little bit more color..

      there is a reason why...

      ....Google images is filled with "MLM is a scam" images

      .....there are a dozen TV exposés revealing why MLM is a scam.

      .....the top most profitable MLM companies have all been embroiled in legal problems because of MLM. Not only in the US but in many other countries....

      .....YouTube is filled with "MLM is a scam" videos

      ......MLM's Wikipedia page makes it sound unethical, go ahead and have a read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing

      etc...

      I can go on... but you see, when the over-priced product is an after thought and you're incentivized to recruit others and you got your downline recruiting even more people. and so on and so on....when you have the whole pyramid looking to expand then you have a recipe for disaster. It's as simple as that

      On top of that, you don't own anything... It's NOT YOUR business..you're just a rep with over-priced merch that has no real market demand or value..

      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      I'm sure it will inspire confidence
      in your potential buyers.
      plus you got clowns like this who need to inspire "confidence", that's exactly how a con-man gets in your wallet....

      Want more proof, here is the aftermath of the third most profitable LEGAL btw MLM company:

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  • Profile picture of the author jawatempe
    which MLM is considered ok nowdays to join bro ?
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  • Profile picture of the author chemtechguru
    I think MLM is good...if YOU are the wealth pharaoh sitting on top of the pyramid hehe
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  • Profile picture of the author infomaniacs
    I am with several MLM companies in the one niche area and do it 100% online. I have been doing it for over 4 years and have built myself a comfortable lifestyle. It is a great low cost way to grow a business if you have commitment
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  • Profile picture of the author enjamulahsan
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    Yes, This is possible to build a MLM business in online, Which is well known as referral sites. You can create membership areas and various of scripts are available for creating those sites. But MLM sites are prohibited on some countries so be careful starting any business.
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    • Profile picture of the author wentzco
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      What's funny about you is how you accuse others of scamming
      people and being dishonest while you offer one of the scammiest
      little landing pages I've seen in a while. Good luck with all those
      illegal income claims, promises of success and... oh... wait... the
      most cliched and scammy enticement of all time...

      "Do You Want To Make $20 To $100 a Day While You Sleep?"

      I'd be embarrassed to even think that phrase in the company of
      a legit prospect.

      To top things off your sig link offers "Free Simple Straightforward Method"
      which you, of course, sell for $197 at the site so... I guess deception is your
      game.


      You have ZERO credibility.
      You know 4th richest person in the world Warren Buffet, has a different view of MLM companies as Berkshire Hathaway purchased one - Building A Company Warren Buffett Would Buy the pampered chef has great numbers, strong management, and a secret recipe. why wouldn't buffett love it?

      I guess aizuka would call him a con man based on his comments in this thread. I recommend listening to Buffet. By the way .. do you think Buffet would have a scammy signature like ""Do You Want To Make $2 Million a Day While You Sleep?"

      Originally Posted by aizaku View Post


      Now.... if using a pseudonym makes you a con-artist then that puts a boat load of reputable business men/women, authors, musicians and everyday people on Facebook into the con-artist realm.
      Those people use pseudonyms to protect ther identity. It's a con trying to gain people's confidence pretending you are a woman as a mommy blogger

      aizuka says - "I foolishly started my baby shower blog (at the time) with a fake female pen name because I was afraid nobody would read my content if they knew I was a 6 ft 200 lb man. I believed nobody would listen to me even though I did all the proper research on the subject."

      Con man - definition of con man by The Free Dictionary
      - con (kon) – to trick or persuade dishonestly.


      con man - a swindler who exploits the confidence of his victimcon artist, confidence man
      chiseler, chiseller, defrauder, grifter, scammer, swindler, gouger - a person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud

      You plain & simple fit the description of a con man based on the definition & your actions.

      Originally Posted by aizaku View Post


      So is someone who posts/reposts an image that doesn't know how to spell "lose" supposed to be a trusted source? LOL

      Anyone that actually has experience in network marketing realizes that your business organization doesn't take a pyramid shape. Usually you have people in your downline organization making much more money than those in their upline because they have built a bigger business which they get paid on. I've seen that in my past as well as currently in wife's organization. There are people 12 levels deep making more than her. The top earners in companies are not the first person in. Here is what typically what a someone's multilevel organization looks like or the company as a whole ( a diamond shape or strings with diamond shapes)


      Now you can read more from those with actual experience (source - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140...-iceberg-truth) - "According to one of the leading experts in the world of MLM (and my good friend), Len Clements of Inside MLM, "Downlines are not pyramid shaped, they're diamond shaped. The widest point tends to be in the middle, not the base." He adds, "in actual practice since the organization is more diamond shaped, and due to the limited number of first level positions under most people it tends to form a tall, skinny diamond."

      As an MLM software provider, and someone who has developed the technology to track sales organizations and downline genealogies, I can confirm this truth. The fact is, the larger an MLM get's, the more Diamond (or Iceberg) shaped it becomes. This is proven over and over directly from repeated and verifiable database analytics."


      You know I'm not really active in MLM at this time compared to my past days as posts in this thread show. However when I see libelous clowns like aizaku (pretended he was a woman to gain people's confidence on his mommy blog - con man) throwing out ignorant nonsense & outright lies... something needs to be said.
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  • Profile picture of the author tyronne78
    You can't become a leader in network marketing and build a huge downline without using the telephone. The internet should only be used as a tool to prospect and generate leads for your business. If you're going to build a business online why not just get into affiliate marketing? Or e-commerce?
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    • Profile picture of the author wentzco
      Originally Posted by tyronne78 View Post

      You can't become a leader in network marketing and build a huge downline without using the telephone. The internet should only be used as a tool to prospect and generate leads for your business. If you're going to build a business online why not just get into affiliate marketing? Or e-commerce?
      Yeah I do agree - you have to build relationships & that makes talking to people directly over the phone (& Skype) or in person. Now the MLM companies that have proper e-commerce sites in place do indeed make customer acquiring easy. As I pointed out further up in a thread comment - these customers are tied to you so when they re-order you keep getting paid on their future orders.Unless an affiliate program has lifetime commissions (very infrequent) - you will typically send a merchant a customer & get paid once (unless past a time-based cookie length)... on future orders you get nothing.
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      • Profile picture of the author aizaku
        Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

        "maybe i'm missing something about MLM?"That's the only honest thing you've said in this whole thread.
        You like them cherries huh?



        Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

        Yeah I do agree - you have to build relationships & that makes talking to people directly over the phone (& Skype) or in person. Now the MLM companies that have proper e-commerce sites in place do indeed make customer acquiring easy. As I pointed out further up in a thread comment - these customers are tied to you so when they re-order you keep getting paid on their future orders.Unless an affiliate program has lifetime commissions (very infrequent) - you will typically send a merchant a customer & get paid once (unless past a time-based cookie length)... on future orders you get nothing.
        Again you prove to be such a clever MLMarketer, instead of roping in, i'm sorry, "tying in" friends and loved ones onto your downline or putting on those embarrassing house parties where you come out at the end with an "amazing ground floor opportunity!"

        instead of all of that nonsense and heartbreak, you can rope people into your 'downline' all day every day and have them do the same... that's adorable!

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