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Devilfish168

7 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Meaney

For me it depends on the circumstance.. if it's a genuine copyright violation then I'd remove it.

But if it's because somebody is offended by something (yeah that really happens), well that's just tough luck.. the content stays.

huh if you insisted content stays would you get sue or whatever?

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7 years ago

Originally Posted by Devilfish168

huh if you insisted content stays would you get sue or whatever?

Nobody is gonna threaten me into removing content just because they don't like it LOL.. if it offends them.. then who cares?

In instances where that has happened.. with a particular cult, that shall remain nameless, I sought legal advice.. and then just published even more content that upset them.

Welcome to the Internet.

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Devilfish168

7 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Meaney

Nobody is gonna threaten me into removing content just because they don't like it LOL.. if it offends them.. then who cares?

In instances where that has happened.. with a particular cult, that shall remain nameless, I sought legal advice.. and then just published even more content that upset them.

Welcome to the Internet.

interesting but if they lodge complain also on google would it affect your website rank whatever?

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7 years ago

Originally Posted by Devilfish168

interesting but if they lodge complain also on google would it affect your website rank whatever?

I gave Google the finger years ago.. if they don't like what I'm doing there's not enough incentive from them for me to change a thing.

When I say I'm independent, I actually mean it.

Google changed the rules way too many times over the years for me to carry on playing that game.

When you stop depending on Google, or any other entity, your whole operation gets a crapton of freedom.. and you can do business on your terms.. not somebody else's.

For example.. see all those lovely squeeze pages everyone makes? Google hates them.. I don't know any serious marketer that depends on free traffic from Google.

Everybody's learnt..probably the hard way, by having traffic taken away from us.. that Google changes the rules in a snap.

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ksmusselman

7 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Meaney

I gave Google the finger years ago.. if they don't like what I'm doing there's not enough incentive from them for me to change a thing.

When I say I'm independent, I actually mean it.

Google changed the rules way too many times over the years for me to carry on playing that game.

When you stop depending on Google, or any other entity, your whole operation gets a crapton of freedom.. and you can do business on your terms.. not somebody else's.

For example.. see all those lovely squeeze pages everyone makes? Google hates them.. I don't know any serious marketer that depends on free traffic from Google.

Everybody's learnt..probably the hard way, by having traffic taken away from us.. that Google changes the rules in a snap.

Love it! That's the only attitude to have today! I had two of my sites hit HARD by Google's ever-changing algorithms so I don't rely on them either. Twitter and Pinterest are working a lot better and depending on the content, I get traffic from LinkedIn too.

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Steve B 7 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Meaney

When you stop depending on Google

It goes without saying that it's not smart for any online business to depend upon one search engine or other source for all of its traffic . . . however . . .

To ignore the largest search engine on the planet, by far, to me at least, is not a sound business strategy. Certainly, some business models don't need to be concerned with organic traffic or even paid traffic (with Google and others). But for most of us, it is foolhardy to pay no attention to the benefits of SE placement and indexing in Google.

Google gets four times the unique monthly visitors that the next closest competitor (Bing) gets (1.6 billion compared to 400 million). Google also gets more monthly visitors than the next 14 largest search engines combined.

While it may seem macho to give your finger to Google, for most online businesses, you would be smart to pay attention to Google and try to learn at least the basic strategies of SEO, attracting organic traffic, and at least how to improve your Google rankings. Sure, the game changes every so often . . . it does with most all large online tech companies.

Don't totally write off Google or any other search engine if you have an online business. Learn their rules and enjoy their traffic.

Just my opinion,

Steve

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- Michael Meaney 7 years ago
  
  I'm going off topic with my reply here..
  
  Originally Posted by Steve B
  
  you would be smart to pay attention to Google and try to learn at least the basic strategies of SEO
  
  Steve, my experience comes first hand, going way back to the 90's doing professional SEO for major brands at the UK's largest web marketing firm.
  
  Originally Posted by Steve B
  
  Don't totally write off Google or any other search engine if you have an online business. Learn their rules and enjoy their traffic.
  
  That would be an ideal situation Steve.. but if you're paying attention, then you'll notice that Google keep changing their rules..
  
  Remember when guest blogging was all the rage? Google even encouraged it for a while.
  
  Everyone thought it was a bulletproof way to get backlinks, traffic and credibility.
  
  Then one day, with a single algorithm update.. boom.. guest blogging becomes risky and millions of sites get penalized for it..
  
  Even when we learn and stick to their Google's rules it can quickly become meaningless.. and occasionally damaging.
  
  And masculinity has nothing to with it.
  
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MikeFriedman 7 years ago

Originally Posted by Devilfish168

interesting but if they lodge complain also on google would it affect your website rank whatever?

If it is a legitimate DMCA complaint, yes Google can remove the page or entire site from their index.

Also, if the complaint is sent to the web host, they host may take the site down.
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aizaku

7 years ago

remove it and replace it with something better.

Just in case somebody doesnt have a terms or use, privacy policy or dmca then i recommend this plugin:

https://wordpress.org/plugins/auto-t...rivacy-policy/

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7 years ago

It's all fine and good to diss google and tell people you'll do what you please....but if this OP got a DMCA it's almost certain it's copyright or trademark problem.

You can give Google all your fingers if you want - but if you are in the wrong, that won't save your site.

The OP is not concerned about WHY he got the DMCA (or at least hasn't told US what the problem was) - but only if he can ignore it without consequence.

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7 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

It's all fine and good to diss google and tell people you'll do what you please....but if this OP got a DMCA it's almost certain it's copyright or trademark problem.

You can give Google all your fingers if you want - but if you are in the wrong, that won't save your site.

The OP is not concerned about WHY he got the DMCA (or at least hasn't told US what the problem was) - but only if he can ignore it without consequence.

Appeasing Google... and infringing on someone's copyright are two different issues being discussed here.

Nobody said copyright infringement was ok..

Being issued with a take down notice because someone is offended has nothing to do with copyright, and has no legitimacy, imo.

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JohnMcCabe

7 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Meaney

For me it depends on the circumstance.. if it's a genuine copyright violation then I'd remove it.

But if it's because somebody is offended by something (yeah that really happens), well that's just tough luck.. the content stays.

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

If it is a legitimate DMCA complaint, yes Google can remove the page or entire site from their index.

Also, if the complaint is sent to the web host, they host may take the site down.

The key word here is legitimate.

If there's a legitimate copyright issue, a DMCA notice is an appropriate response. In this case, whether you take down the content or not depends on how you arrived at using the content.

For example, there's a walking/fishing pier at one end of a public beach not far from here. If you did a search, you would find dozens or hundreds of images of that pier. If I stand at the same spot at the same time of day, the original image I shoot will look like many others. A takedown notice based on similarity to other photos in this case is legitimate, but can be defended fairly easily. Pursuing a lawsuit could be easily countersued.

If I got my image of that pier by using a method frequently suggested in Really Bad Advice posted on this forum (using Google Images with the commercial use filter), all bets are off. I take the image down immediately, because I can't verify my right to use it.

On the other hand, a DMCA notice is not a legitimate response to content that simply offends somebody. They can ask you to take down the offending material, but they can't force the issue through the DMCA. Any lawsuit would be summarily dismissed and leave the plaintiff liable for the defendant's expenses.

As for Google, the last time I looked they weren't really concerned about indexing/ranking content based on who (especially any individual) might be offended.

[Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, have never played one on TV, nor did I spend the night at a Holiday Inn Express. If you mistake my opinion for legal advice and get into hot water relying on it, you're on your own. No indemnification offered or implied.]

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7 years ago

Being issued with a take down notice because someone is offended has nothing to do with copyright, and has no legitimacy, imo.

I agree - but the OP didn't mention that. He didn't say WHY he DMCA.

"People report you" - may refer to someone reporting the OP (filing the DMCA) for copyright violations. We don't know because his question is "can I get by with it".

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JohnMcCabe

7 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I agree - but the OP didn't mention that. He didn't say WHY he DMCA.

"People report you" - may refer to someone reporting the OP (filing the DMCA) for copyright violations. We don't know because his question is "can I get by with it".

You're right, Kay. he didn't. I was referencing Michael Meaney's comments.

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7 years ago

Remember when guest blogging was all the rage? Google even encouraged it for a while.

And, way before that, when reciprocal linking was the way to go....and when profile links weren't noticed as a problem...and many other "things"...

For a while, Google allows a practice and even rewards it - or hasn't considered it a problem - and then people pile on and game it every which way....and google cracks down. Is that google? Or the people trying to game every advantage? I don't know.

I don't ignore Google but I don't count on Google, either.

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7 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

And, way before that, when reciprocal linking was the way to go....and when profile links weren't noticed as a problem...and many other "things"...

For a while, Google allows a practice and even rewards it - or hasn't considered it a problem - and then people pile on and game it every which way....and google cracks down. Is that google? Or the people trying to game every advantage? I don't know.

I don't ignore Google but I don't count on Google, either.

True story Kay.. and yep a lot of the changes came from techniques being abused to the point of spam.. Google's algorithms aren't nearly as sophisticated as they pretend, so they carpet bomb.

I've found the best way of 'dealing' with Google is to just get on with building high quality resources that people find useful, gain value from and want to share. That creates the most natural looking link graph.

That's something Google has always touted, and probably always will.. it's been about the only consistent thing that company has said.

And it's probably the best way to build your business anyway, irrespective of what Google says.. it's the right thing to do, ain't it.

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JohnMcCabe

7 years ago

We are drifting a bit off the trail here, but I think it's a valuable diversion.

Guest blogging still works, if you talk about publishing one or more posts on a legitimate, trusted blog. Pervert the process with automated spam tools and blog networks set up purely for the purpose of generating backlinks, and you tread on thin and melting ice.

Even reciprocal linking still works, if you define it as two sites linking to relevant and valuable content on the other site. Again, pervert the process by using automation and web properties set up solely to generate links, and the hammer will come down.

The problem isn't with legitimate linking that happens to resemble some of the blackhat tactics. The problem is with the perversion of the process in an attempt to gain an unfair advantage.

I've said it before, and I'll likely say it again. No search spider or ranking algorithm has ever bought anything from me, so I don't worry about them. I do my best to put my links in front of flesh and blood people who can benefit from what I offer. I don't ignore the SEs, but I don't try to manipulate them either. I do basic onsite SEO, then rely on my efforts to reach real eyeballs to provide the backlinks.

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7 years ago

I recently launched a new WSO on Instagram marketing and had it up on instagramearnings.com and guess what, 3 days into the WSO and I receive an email from instagram that I am not allowed to use their brand name to sell stuff and all that...

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