Is something wrong with me? - Mindmaps

30 replies
I just got an email from Andy Jenkins (and then unsubscribed) with this huge freakin' mindmap and he's offering a seminar to sell me something - er - I mean - explain it.

I just don't get the need for all these mindmaps the "guru's" are spreading around.

Am I just not getting it??

thanks,
PCRoger.
#mindmaps #wrong
  • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
    Their trying to "wow" you with the maps but the problem is that there all developing their maps wrong. Completely wrong.

    They're boring and they don't have much substance to them. They're not interactive to the user and there not visually appealing so the user can embed in their brain what it is that they're looking at or trying to learn.

    I'll blow you away with the type of new generation interactive maps that you can create for yourself or for your clients.

    Just drop me a pm or see my sig and I'll show you how.


    Frank Bruno
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1151966].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Kazooli
    Understandable that you freaked out! However, Mind Maps can be a great tool on brainstorming ideas and transforming them to projects. Imagine that you start with a little and over time you can develop a well organised project. Branches help you dig as deep as you want...brilliant tool. Plus a great brain excercise

    If you wish to learn about Mind Maping you can learn from the Author and inventor of Mind Maps Tony Buzan
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1152013].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Andy Jenkins
    LOL - Sorry that you unsubscribed from a list offering a free webinar. And doubly sorry that I would EVER EVER EVER try to sell you ANYTHING.

    You're right. What the heck was I thinking?

    And sorry that I'm doing Mind Maps "Wrong". That's a bit like critiquing how I write in Microsoft Word, don't you think?

    Users of Mind Maps - BE FREE! Use them however the HEYELL you want!

    Some people just kill me...
    Signature
    www.AndyJenkinsBlog.com

    "Shakespeare didn't have a word-processor. When we got word-processors, we didn't get Shakespeare"
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1152760].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author HomeComputerGames
      Originally Posted by Andy Jenkins View Post

      LOL - Sorry that you unsubscribed from a list offering a free webinar. And doubly sorry that I would EVER EVER EVER try to sell you ANYTHING.

      You're right. What the heck was I thinking?

      And sorry that I'm doing Mind Maps "Wrong". That's a bit like critiquing how I write in Microsoft Word, don't you think?

      Users of Mind Maps - BE FREE! Use them however the HEYELL you want!

      Some people just kill me...
      You have some interesting information on your site.
      I'll see you on the 8th.

      Tell me guys, what it the difference between a mindmap and a detailed flowchart?
      Am I missing something here? Or just showing my age?

      Actually as I look at this:
      http://andyjenkinsblogmedia.s3.amazo...ltimateWoe.pdf

      I think every person that is deciding if to start a business or not should have a look at this.
      So many try and start with only one or two things and have to learn the hard way.

      I say well done Andy!
      Signature

      yes, I am....

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1152823].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author JonMills
        Originally Posted by HomeComputerGames View Post

        You have some interesting information on your site.
        I'll see you on the 8th.

        Tell me guys, what it the difference between a mindmap and a detailed flowchart?
        Am I missing something here?

        Thanks!
        Its pretty close depending on how you lay out the mindmap

        Some mindmaps can be used simpley as a way to dump ideas down and then organize

        Other mindmaps can be used in a flowing fashion of different levels.

        Authors use them to map out their chapters, scenes and sequences

        I use them to layout ideas and approaches
        Signature
        http://www.thecopywriterwhisperer.com/ Persuasion at it's best!
        http://www.affiliateorganizer.com/ Organize your entire online business - Super affiliates give it the thumbs up!
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1152850].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author procoach
        Originally Posted by HomeComputerGames View Post

        Tell me guys, what it the difference between a mindmap and a detailed flowchart?
        Well, here's my geeky use of both tools. I use flowchart to document processes that already exist. I use mind maps to design new processes.

        To put it another way: a mind maps is great for brainstorming; a flow chart is great to specify something you already do.

        Pierre.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1152858].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author rebel-1234
          Which mind map do you suggest
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1152861].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      Originally Posted by Andy Jenkins View Post

      LOL - Sorry that you unsubscribed from a list offering a free webinar. And doubly sorry that I would EVER EVER EVER try to sell you ANYTHING.

      You're right. What the heck was I thinking?

      And sorry that I'm doing Mind Maps "Wrong". That's a bit like critiquing how I write in Microsoft Word, don't you think?

      Users of Mind Maps - BE FREE! Use them however the HEYELL you want!

      Some people just kill me...
      Andy,

      I just went to your blog and downloaded the PDF for the mind map.

      Did you have us IPod users in mind when you created it? The writing seems a little small.

      KJ
      Signature
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1152913].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author cyberws
        Whether you like or dislike mindmaps depends on how YOUR brain works. Some love them, come hate them and there's no 'right' answer. It just depends on whether they're useful for you. Personally, I LOVE mindmaps because they can take a complicated idea or process and give an overview that lets me see how all the pieces fit together. Then I have direction and understand what I'm doing. The old way of dealing with ideas - using outlines, for instance - is vastly inferior, IMO. However you might disagree and that's cool, too.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1153625].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author PCRoger
      Originally Posted by Andy Jenkins View Post

      LOL - Sorry that you unsubscribed from a list offering a free webinar. And doubly sorry that I would EVER EVER EVER try to sell you ANYTHING.

      You're right. What the heck was I thinking?

      And sorry that I'm doing Mind Maps "Wrong". That's a bit like critiquing how I write in Microsoft Word, don't you think?

      Users of Mind Maps - BE FREE! Use them however the HEYELL you want!

      Some people just kill me...
      Not trying to kill you...

      And it's fine for people to try to sell me something... (we have another thread on that topic)

      Maybe it's just that yours came along as about the 4th "mindmap" webinar offered in the last couple months and the others were a waste of time.

      I've attended one webinar too many where it went on like a 30 minute radio show:

      10 minutes introducing the speaker and thanking him for being there
      6 minutes of commercials
      4 minutes of good content
      10 minutes patting each other on the back for such a great radio show and talking about how we need to do this again.

      Hopefully yours won't be that way.

      Maybe the poster above got it right saying that with the size of the mindmap shown it's just a bit too hard to "step back" to really see what's trying to be accomplished.

      I started this thread because I hate to miss an important concept. Another post suggests that maybe they are good for some people and not others. Maybe I'm just in the latter category.

      As for unsubscribing from a list, I highly recommend it to new people especially. Most of us have a tendency to subscribe to too many and then -

      LOSE FOCUS

      -
      and not get any real work done.

      Regards,
      PCRoger.
      Signature
      Track your affiliate sales back to the ARTICLE or WEBSITE that generated the sale. CBSaleTracker

      I was making money in days with the 4 Day Money Making Blueprint

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1153702].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author MustafaKamal
    I rather use mind maps for my college subjects. Better of getting good grades with those goldmine tools.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1152781].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Kris Turner
    I'm not sure I've ever learned anything from a mindmap made by someone else, but I'd be lost without being able to create my own for planning purposes.

    I think the nature of mindmaps means you can get a lot more out of your own than someone else's.
    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1152785].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Neromancer
    ok. OMG lol this is a serious topic? Sorry . . . ahem.
    Signature

    Click Below To Order Ebook Creation Or Package:
    Click here to fill out this simple form
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1152866].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Andy Jenkins
    For what it's worth...

    For the sake of argument, lets assume that most of the projects we do are fairly complicated with a lot of dependencies, constraints, and granular detail.

    When you think in a linear fashion (i.e. making a check list), you can make a relatively surface level pass at what needs to be accomplished.

    In my own mind map world, it's just as easy for me to use Mind Jet to make a list as it is MS Word.

    Where I get value out of Mind Maps is stepping back and looking at the project as a whole. Then I can start to drap and drop different milestones into different top-level categories and really get a sense of how the entire animal hangs together.

    For example, if I know I have to write Thank You page copy, I'm pretty sure that I can re-purpose that copy for an FAQ, Knowledge Base, Help Desk, or first auto-response. Then it's easy for me to make a parent node in the mind map and create relationships between each one of those applications of the Thank You Page Copy.

    Some purists will say that you should only have 1 word per node on a Mind Map. That's fine and I think for Brainstorming, that makes sense.

    But just like anything else, the tool is only as good as you're comfortable deploying. I mean, some folks still use MS Word to create the HTML for their pages. If that works for them, then great - no, the code isn't super fantastics, but BETTER THAN NOTHING beats GREAT but NOT DONE any day of the week.

    There's also a couple of note-worthy mind map collaborative tools, like Mind Meister that allow for task assignment, deadlines, etc.

    And if you're feeling brave, take a look at the personal brain. That's more like a lifestyle approach to information management than just a tool for visualization.

    My 2 cents.
    Signature
    www.AndyJenkinsBlog.com

    "Shakespeare didn't have a word-processor. When we got word-processors, we didn't get Shakespeare"
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1152884].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author HomeComputerGames
    It all looks like planning to me.
    I've used visio for years to plan out many things including business ideas.

    Not sure I understand any of the sarcasms here..
    I always found planning to be a good thing. Perhaps I'm wrong.
    Signature

    yes, I am....

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1152903].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author robertuppsala
    Mind maps are very nice tools for doing exactly what Andy says, stepping back and looking at the whole picture. The problem with these huge mind maps is that stepping back is difficult, due to the limitation of screen size.

    What I usually do is print it on an A3(This is what the size is called in Sweden, is it called something else in the US?) sheet of paper and than look at it. This makes stepping back easy and opens up for using ink from multiple persons at the same time to add notes and stuff.

    Personally I think Andy's mind map is very good and it make a perfect creative jumpstart to any group discussing their internet business and plans.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1153657].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    For certain learning and personality styles, mind maps are fantastic tools. For others, mind maps can be a bunch of nonsense.

    It's not a "one size fits all" approach here.

    The measurement and analysis of personal styles and personality types is a well-defined "science". There are folks who are very visually-oriented, and there are more linear/analytical types that process information very differently.

    Mind maps tend to be effective for "big picture" people, who can assimilate and process a gargantuan amount of information from the "wide screen" or "50,000 foot altitude" views. In this mode, people tend to think about object relationships, chaining, sequencing, cause & effect, etc... The view is very including of other object concepts because the focus is how a single object relates to other objects. The attributes of a single object are important only to the extent that the attributes affect or interrelate to another object.

    But for other people, they have far more of a detailed, granular view within a single object concept. These individuals tend to be more excluding of information than including, eliminating details that do not pertain exclusively to the attributes of the core object itself. How an object relates to other objects isn't their orientation, rather than the actual attributes of the object itself.

    Within a business setting, it's the genesis of the classic struggle between engineering and marketing. "Marketing people" relate a product to solving the problems or needs of a potential customer. "Engineering people" are more interested in expanding the capability of the actual product without necessarily relating it to a need.

    I happen to be one of the rare people that walk the line between both worlds, so I understand the dynamics between both.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1153751].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author David McKee
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      For certain learning and personality styles, mind maps are fantastic tools. For others, mind maps can be a bunch of nonsense.

      ...

      I happen to be one of the rare people that walk the line between both worlds, so I understand the dynamics between both.
      I know what you mean Michael, I am an engineer and a writer - I work with business analysts and such at my day job - anyway to me Mind Maps are indispensable for some tasks, but simply get in the way for others.

      In software, they are great for getting the ideas of a system down and are directly "mappable" (if you will) into UML. For goal setting they are also indispensable if what you are attempting to do is get a picture of how you are going to get "there" from "here" - allowing you to break down your dreams into finer and finer chunks until you get to the tasks you can start doing today.

      I use an older version of Mind Manager I bought for twenty five bucks back in 2002 (it's a couple a hundred dollars now) but for anyone out there who wants to try mind mapping software for FREE go get "Free Mind" - you can get it at this link:

      Free Mind Mind Mapping Tool - FOR FREE!

      (I am not affiliated with this software in any way, I just love using it).

      Mind maps are wonderful tools, but the thing about them is that each of us thinks differently so as a matter of course, our individual maps are bound to be different from others - trying to get another map into our head may be a good exercise if we want to learn about how that person thinks, but as far as a tool for thinking ... well, you just should not allow others to do that for you!

      DTM.
      Signature
      Are you an affiliate marketer? My site has tons of free stuff and 14,000 pages of Clickbank research. www.affiliatesledgehammer.com
      Buy a Freedom Bulb! Don't let the government tell you what kind of light bulb you can use!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1153815].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author PCRoger
    MichaelHiles,

    Thanks for the well thought out response.

    I'm sure part of the issue with me is that I have some projects with a laser focus and I know what I need to do.

    Other other hand, one niche is working with those just starting out - and they really just want 1 simple concept to learn and see some money come in. Then when they have that mastered, advance to 2nd grade, etc.

    As I mentioned above, because of the offer of a free ebook with "all the answers", so many getting started get on too many lists; find attending a webinar easier than "working" and get distracted, then frustrated, then quit.

    I spend a lot of time (probably too much) sifting through what's out there looking for the true gems that will help the new person.

    thanks,
    PCRoger.
    Signature
    Track your affiliate sales back to the ARTICLE or WEBSITE that generated the sale. CBSaleTracker

    I was making money in days with the 4 Day Money Making Blueprint

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1153825].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author David McKee
      Originally Posted by PCRoger View Post

      MichaelHiles,
      I spend a lot of time (probably too much) sifting through what's out there looking for the true gems that will help the new person.
      Ain't that the truth! I still have dozens of email folders with stuff coming in from years of signing up for everything, but over time I start to pare that down until I am left with the real good, cream of the crop stuff. Truth is, if you synthesize all of the great stuff from all of the great marketers, coaches, mentors, and places like this Warrior Forum, you can learn just about everything there is to know - if you have the time, that is the kicker.

      So I need to come up with an WSO product that slows time down for overworked internet marketers!

      Anyway, I have a couple of IM mind-maps I made for myself (nothing like that monstrosity of Andy Jenkins) that links together ideas for copywriting and for marketing that I use to "pull it all together" - probably a good exercise for all of us from time to time.

      DTM
      Signature
      Are you an affiliate marketer? My site has tons of free stuff and 14,000 pages of Clickbank research. www.affiliatesledgehammer.com
      Buy a Freedom Bulb! Don't let the government tell you what kind of light bulb you can use!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1153840].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author ItsDubC
    Mind maps are actually one of the best things I've learned about this year, especially for infoproduct creation. I wish I knew about mind maps back in school, as it would've helped me write my outlines a lot faster.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1153864].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author jsanderz
      Hi,
      Over the last 10 years I have tried many different Mindmap programs and for the last 2 years have been using Tony Buzans iMindmap which is brilliant. It uses the mindmap laws better than any other software I have used. Unfortunately when I am at work I cannot use it as I am unable to download the software onto my PC, which is a bit frustrating.
      I have tried many different online Mindmap applications, but none of them felt quite right, Mindomo, Mindmeister etc.
      I have recently been using an online web application called mapmyself, which at the moment is in beta, and looks like a stripped down version of iMindmap. This mindmap software has a lot of potential, is easy to use, and you can create some fantastic mindmaps.
      For now, you can only use it with IE, however if you use Firefox you can download the IE add-on. You may also need to install Microsofts Silverlight application.
      Regards.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1185094].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Marakatapolis
    I just started using Mindmaps, makes it easy to visualize detailed projects. I've been doing this for years just drawing flow charts on paper, or with Visio, but I really liked the mindmap by Andy. I downloaded Freemind but it didn't seem right and after a forum search I see he used Mind Jet. Don't know if it's worth paying for it when Freemind is free, but I think I'll do the free trial and see if there is any point.

    EDIT: Check out this video tutorial, the first minute or two explains why/how mindmaps are useful for productivity and efficiency:

    http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoafYv93.html
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1834440].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author DamianLeon
    Try this free online flash based resource Mindomo dot com and no def not an affiliate link, just helping out- People want to look at attractive things, and this can create attractive maps, freely and looks nice Damian
    Signature
    Grab Your FREE Step-By-Step Video Internet Marketing Training Here!! Enjoy :) -
    Click Here Now To Download Yours!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1836856].message }}
  • {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1836933].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      I once showed someone a map of my mind. They ran screaming from the room and where in therapy for a year. I think I won't put up any mindmaps.
      Signature
      Kevin Riley, long-time Warrior living in Osaka, Japan

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1836958].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        I once showed someone a map of my mind. They ran screaming from the room and where in therapy for a year. I think I won't put up any mindmaps.
        Killer hamsters have that effect on some people . . . or was it the mankini?
        Signature

        Just when you think you've got it all figured out, someone changes the rules.

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1837467].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Marakatapolis
    Anybody happen to know what mind mapping program created the "Brainstorming Niches" mind map from the 2009 30 Day Challenge? I love how visually pleasing it is lol.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1836969].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author dfs_dean
      Might have some outdated links or information, but here's a link I've had tucked away in my favorites.

      99 Mind Mapping Resources/Tools/Tips


      Peace
      Signature
      Find something to enjoy about reality. It's not going to go away.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1837433].message }}

Trending Topics