Warning!!! Paypal is Permanently Limmiting Legitimate Accounts. Here's why!

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A few days ago...I had my paypal account permanently limited by paypal.

The first thing that most people will think when reading this post is that you broke their terms and therefore, you deserved that penalty.

Not so fat my friends.

You may face the same fate.

Let me explain.

If you have ever been shut down by paypal you will know that they will refer you to the site that caused the problem.

In my case..I was flagged for a site that if you take a look at it...You will see that it's totally legitimate and is not some mlm or get rich quick site.

It's simply a site advertising site that pays 100% commissions. (Note: This is not a revshare site)

I would list the site that got me penalized but I don't know if the moderators would like that (so I will error on the side of caution).

I would love to appeal to paypal about this matter, but they made it very clear in their email that this can not be appealed.

I believe the reason that I received this harsh penalty is because the site I was promoting is an instant commission site.

For those who don't know...An instant commissions site is a site that allows the customers to join and then earn instant commissions when people they refer buy the upgrades.

The thing about these sites is when people purchase the upgrades from these sites, the payment goes directly to you instead of to the owner of the site.

So...I am assuming that paypal looks at you as the owner of the site and will penalize you instead of the real site owner if they conclude the site violates their terms.

Furthermore...I received an email from Frank Salinas this morning that really confirmed my thoughts. (Frank Salinas is the owner of the site that got me banned from paypal and the owner of several other instant commission sites.)

The email confirmed my suspicions. Basically, Frank is changing all of his sites from instant commissions. Instead he will now collect all the money and pay affiliates through his paypal account instead of the customer to customer model used by most instant commission site.

In a video that he asked us to watch...Frank explained that a lot of instant commission sites have been losing their payapl accounts and he feels the reason is because they are instant commission sites. He read off a bunch of names (of people who own instant commission sites) that have contacted him and told him that they have been shut down by paypal.

So..If you belong to any instant commission site...I would recommend that you remove you paypal email address from them immediately.

Paypal is actively penalizing anyone who is getting instant commissions from these sites.

Note: Instant commission sites are not the same as affiliate programs ran through warrior plus or JVZoo. Warrior Plus and JVZoo payments are first made to the vendor through paypal and the vendor then pays you through paypal. Instant commission sites is a customer to customer payment. The vendor is not involved at all.

I mention this because..I think you will be safe if you are getting instant commissions from products promoted through JVzoo or Warrior plus.

However..sites like instant commission sites and payspree that allow you to receive direct payments from customers seem to be the problem.

In conclusion.. If you promote sites that does not require the vendor to pay your commissions instead of the customer, then you should remove your paypal address immediately and save yourself a lot of problems.
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        Originally Posted by Cesar Sampaio View Post

        That's not even close to the truth. They've committed errors before and even they recognized it (a few times).
        Agreed.

        PayPal is reputable for being the judge, jury, and executioner of their own diabolical laws. How they exercise their discretion when limiting accounts is hardly consistent. Half the time I think the reason they're so successful is because they adopt a really good make-it-up-as-you-go-along framework.

        They'd probably be really successful if they worked in IM.
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    • Profile picture of the author BrianWilson85
      Originally Posted by JonnyGuru View Post

      If they limited you they had a good reason. Period.
      LOL. You must not know how PAYPAL really works or must not being doing enough volume to have been bothered by them. When you start making over six figures on Paypal if you sneeze too hard they'll limit your account.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
    Originally Posted by webmarke View Post

    A few days ago...I had my paypal account permanently limited by paypal.
    Yep.
    They will certainly do that if the site 1) sells a product and 2) advertises the fact that the buyer can earn 100% commissions from selling the same product (i.e. by being an affiliate)

    This is NOT news. (ask Jon Leger, creator of $7 Secrets)

    Paypal sees this as MLM, and putting a link to your affiliate sign up area on the same page where you sell access to a 100% commission product has been getting Paypal accounts limited since 2007 when Jon Leger had to sell $7 Secrets to someone else because he lost his Paypal account.

    Point of interest... While still trying to work out the situation w/ Paypal, Jon simply set up his own sales to automatically go to someone else, so that the "buzz" around his product could be maintained. Unfortunately, she also lost her Paypal account as a result.

    Instant commissions itself is NOT the problem.
    Instant commissions at 100% is the problem, and advertising that "feature" on the product sales page is a red flag for Paypal.

    I don't know what instant commission system is/was being used in your situation, but the problem isn't the fact that they were offering instant commissions... It was because they were offering 100% commissions and that they were (probably) advertising that fact on the sales page
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    • Profile picture of the author webmarke
      Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

      Yep.
      They will certainly do that if the site 1) sells a product and 2) advertises the fact that the buyer can earn 100% commissions from selling the same product (i.e. by being an affiliate)

      This is NOT news. (ask Jon Leger, creator of $7 Secrets)

      Paypal sees this as MLM, and putting a link to your affiliate sign up area on the same page where you sell access to a 100% commission product has been getting Paypal accounts limited since 2007 when Jon Leger had to sell $7 Secrets to someone else because he lost his Paypal account.

      Point of interest... While still trying to work out the situation w/ Paypal, Jon simply set up his own sales to automatically go to someone else, so that the "buzz" around his product could be maintained. Unfortunately, she also lost her Paypal account as a result.

      Instant commissions itself is NOT the problem.
      Instant commissions at 100% is the problem, and advertising that "feature" on the product sales page is a red flag for Paypal.

      I don't know what instant commission system is/was being used in your situation, but the problem isn't the fact that they were offering instant commissions... It was because they were offering 100% commissions and that they were (probably) advertising that fact on the sales page
      I agree..the problem seems to be the peer to peer payment method that pays 100% commissions.

      That being said...I created 100% commission products via payspree platform and promoted several others.

      I never had a problem with that model before. It seems that they decided to crack down on that model again.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
        Originally Posted by webmarke View Post

        I agree..the problem seems to be the peer to peer payment method that pays 100% commissions.

        That being said...I created 100% commission products via payspree platform and promoted several others.

        I never had a problem with that model before. It seems that they decided to crack down on that model again.
        That's a lot different than just posting a long rant against Instant Commission systems.

        If you notice, at the bottom of Frank Salinas' EZ Instant Commissions sales page, there is a link to his affiliate program signup page.

        The affiliate program sign up page says:

        Affiliates - Earn 100 % Instant Commissions!

        Thank You For Your Interest In Promoting
        EZ Instant Commissions (FS)

        ...and you were surprised that this would be unacceptable?

        The culprit was the 100% commissions.
        The red flag was the "Affiliates" link at the bottom of the sales page.


        Edit - Not only is that "Affiliates" link a red flag for Paypal, it's a sales page leak. I think it's been pretty well established around here that merchants should NOT put "leaks" on their sales pages, and that affiliate recruitment should be a separate function from product sales.

        Is it clear why NO affiliate should promote a sales page that contains a link to the affiliate sign up page? Even if the commission rate is NOT 100%, there's nothing to say that the merchant might not change the commission rate in the future.
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        • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
          I think you missed some of the more subtle points from earlier posts...

          Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

          Since we don't know what kind of site it was, what kind of product the site promoted, what the buyer received, etc, then it's hard to really understand why PP did what they did.
          OP said:
          Frank Salinas is the owner of the site that got me banned from paypal and the owner of several other instant commission sites.
          ...so I did a search for "Frank Salinas instant commissions" and found this:
          EZ Instant Commissions

          Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

          As an affiliate myself, I'd love to know what kind of product this site sold. I know that PP doesn't like "products" that basically just sell the right to promote the "product" to others.

          You've probably seen some of these scammy kits that sell for a few dollars, and all the buyer gets is the same exact sales page he bought from and instructions on how to sell the sales page to others.

          I can totally understand why PP would hate that. I hate that myself. It's a shoddy product. Actually, there is NO product.
          That's EXACTLY what got Jon Leger's PP account frozen in 2007, and also what got Frank Kern into trouble with the FTC back in that general timeframe as well.

          If you click on the "Affiliates" link at the bottom of the EZ Instant Commissions sales page (above), you get the affiliate sign up page for (wait for it...) EZ Instant Commissions - and right at the top of the page it reads:

          Affiliates - Earn 100 % Instant Commissions!

          Thank You For Your Interest In Promoting
          EZ Instant Commissions (FS)

          In other words, "Sell the same sales page you just came from, and pocket all the proceeds for yourself".
          Paypal wouldn't have had a problem with EZ Instant Commissions, itself. Rather they had a problem with the fact that it contained a link to the affiliate sign up page, so the sales page wound up "selling the opportunity".

          That one call to action (affiliates) in the footer of the sales page, is what got the OP's Paypal account frozen!!!

          Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

          Also, I'm thinking that W+ and JVZoo would not allow vendors to set their products at 100% commissions if they are aware that causes people to lose their PP accounts. I would think they would even be afraid to lose their own PP accounts.
          Except that, as I also mentioned earlier, Paypal's adaptive payments process is not specifically intended as an affiliate management system. It's a way to distribute revenue real-time and is really intended to be used for things like equity partner arrangements, or one-off distribution of the amount from a given invoice based on various criteria. As such, they needed to allow 100% distribution to any one of the recipients if that is what the service provider (JVZoo, W+, etc.) requests on any given payment.

          JVZoo and W+ also never set themselves as the primary recipient. They are a secondary recipient, receiving just a small processing fee on each sale. They are recognized (by Paypal) as simply being a service provider - not a seller.
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          • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
            Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

            I think you missed some of the more subtle points from earlier posts...



            OP said:


            ...so I did a search for "Frank Salinas instant commissions" and found this:
            EZ Instant Commissions



            That's EXACTLY what got Jon Leger's PP account frozen in 2007, and also what got Frank Kern into trouble with the FTC back in that general timeframe as well.

            If you click on the "Affiliates" link at the bottom of the EZ Instant Commissions sales page (above), you get the affiliate sign up page for (wait for it...) EZ Instant Commissions - and right at the top of the page it reads:

            Affiliates - Earn 100 % Instant Commissions!

            Thank You For Your Interest In Promoting
            EZ Instant Commissions (FS)

            In other words, "Sell the same sales page you just came from, and pocket all the proceeds for yourself".
            Paypal wouldn't have had a problem with EZ Instant Commissions, itself. Rather they had a problem with the fact that it contained a link to the affiliate sign up page, so the sales page wound up "selling the opportunity".

            That one call to action (affiliates) in the footer of the sales page, is what got the OP's Paypal account frozen!!!



            Except that, as I also mentioned earlier, Paypal's adaptive payments process is not specifically intended as an affiliate management system. It's a way to distribute revenue real-time and is really intended to be used for things like equity partner arrangements, or one-off distribution of the amount from a given invoice based on various criteria. As such, they needed to allow 100% distribution to any one of the recipients if that is what the service provider (JVZoo, W+, etc.) requests on any given payment.

            JVZoo and W+ also never set themselves as the primary recipient. They are a secondary recipient, receiving just a small processing fee on each sale. They are recognized (by Paypal) as simply being a service provider - not a seller.

            Yeah, I see what you mean.

            I have to be honest, and I don't wish to offend anyone here, but I'm not sure why any affiliate marketer would want to promote that product.

            The sales page is shoddy looking, and some of the images don't even load on the page.

            I have seen many sales pages with links to the affiliate sign up page at the bottom, though, from every platform around including Clickbank, JVZoo, etc. However, those lead to JV tools pages or pages which show you where to sign up as an affiliate. They do not lead to a page which basically just tells you how to sign up to promote a product that teaches you how to promote your own affiliate program.

            I also noticed that it seems like 100% of every single sale goes to the affiliate. Normally, the products I have seen in this format would be something like the vendor gets the first sale, the affiliate gets the second sale, etc. In effect, this is actually not 100% commissions, but 50% commissions, as the affiliate gets 100% commissions, but of every other sale.

            I think most vendors and affiliates are aware that PP does not approve of vendors selling products that are designed solely to sell your own affiliate program to others. In short, you are not really selling a product. You are selling people the opportunity to promote your product as an affiliate for 100% instant commissions. That's a BIG no-no.

            So, I think it's the product itself.

            It seems to be selling a short video that basically shows you how to set up your own "100% Instant Commissions Affiliate Program."

            It really isn't that far off from those offers I was talking about earlier that basically sell you the sales page you purchased from and a short tutorial that shows yo how to set it up and sell the same sales page to others. Basically, in a roundabout way it is pretty much a pyramid.

            I also think that regardless of the "affiliates" link at the bottom of the page, if PP caught on to you to promoting this product, they would still take action against you. The reality is the "product" reeks of "MLM/pyramid."

            I have to say that I'm a little shocked because the marketer responsible for this product has been around for a long time and from what I remember, used to sell legitimate products. I'm not sure why he would even associate himself with a "product" like that. At the very least, I'm pretty sure he should know that this type of system could get his "affiliates" into hot water. Not very responsible.

            But, as you correctly said earlier Sid, the ultimate responsibility lies with the affiliate for choosing to represent the product.

            While I feel bad for the OP, I also have to say I think maybe it wasn't the best decision to promote something like that.
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            • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
              I guess I didn't do a good job of getting those points across in my first response... Sorry.

              Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

              I think most vendors and affiliates are aware that PP does not approve of vendors selling products that are designed solely to sell your own affiliate program to others. In short, you are not really selling a product. You are selling people the opportunity to promote your product as an affiliate for 100% instant commissions. That's a BIG no-no.
              You would think... but that offer does make you wonder, doesn't it.

              So, I think it's the product itself.

              It really isn't that far off from those offers I was talking about earlier that basically sell you the sales page you purchased from and a short tutorial that shows yo how to set it up and sell the same sales page to others. Basically, in a roundabout way it is pretty much a pyramid.
              Actually, I think it is exactly like those offers, but rather than delivering the sales page for the buyer to put up on his/her own domain, it offers 100% commissions - essentially offering a hosted reseller program where you don't have to download the sales page and self-host it.

              I also think that regardless of the "affiliates" link at the bottom of the page, if PP caught on to you to promoting this product, they would still take action against you. The reality is the "product" reeks of "MLM/pyramid."
              Absolutely. As I mentioned before, the link to the affiliate sign up page is the "red flag" that allowed Paypal to draw the relationship between the sales page and the the real offer (the opportunity).

              All it takes is one buyer filing a dispute to prompt an investigation by Paypal. Since it is 100% commissions, the payments are all going into affiliates' PP accounts, so they are the only ones at risk. The merchants account is never questioned unless he/she also promotes that sales page directly.
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              • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
                Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

                Actually, I think it is exactly like those offers, but rather than delivering the sales page for the buyer to put up on his/her own domain, it offers 100% commissions - essentially offering a hosted reseller program where you don't have to download the sales page and self-host it.
                And I can see where that might be attractive - but to a newbie who has never done any, or very little, affiliate marketing. Anyone with experience should know better. And really when you think about it, even newbies have no excuse for not reading the PP TOS before using the service.

                Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

                All it takes is one buyer filing a dispute to prompt an investigation by Paypal. Since it is 100% commissions, the payments are all going into affiliates' PP accounts, so they are the only ones at risk. The merchants account is never questioned unless he/she also promotes that sales page directly.
                This is where I have a little bit of a problem with the merchant. This merchant has been around for a long time and knows the rules. I'm struggling to understand why anyone who knows how to create and sell legitimate digital products would enter into this arena and take these kinds of risks. I would think there would be absolutely no need, or want for that matter.

                While I agree with you 100% that the affiliate is responsible for the programs he/she chooses to promote, the merchant also shares responsibility for putting a product out there that is known to be risky and considered a violation of the payment processor's TOS. It doesn't matter which payment processor it is -- if a product is against their TOS, then putting it out there for anyone to promote is not exactly what I would call honest marketing.

                And, I have to even go as far as to say that the affiliate network also shares some of the responsibility. There is a good reason why you don't see products like that on top affiliate networks.

                I'm not one to name names, so all I'll say is that I've always been a little bit skeptical of the affiliate network hosting the offending product. They seem to allow people to sell anything and everything completely unchecked.
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            • Profile picture of the author webmarke
              Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

              Yeah, I see what you mean.

              I have to be honest, and I don't wish to offend anyone here, but I'm not sure why any affiliate marketer would want to promote that product.

              The sales page is shoddy looking, and some of the images don't even load on the page.

              I have seen many sales pages with links to the affiliate sign up page at the bottom, though, from every platform around including Clickbank, JVZoo, etc. However, those lead to JV tools pages or pages which show you where to sign up as an affiliate. They do not lead to a page which basically just tells you how to sign up to promote a product that teaches you how to promote your own affiliate program.

              I also noticed that it seems like 100% of every single sale goes to the affiliate. Normally, the products I have seen in this format would be something like the vendor gets the first sale, the affiliate gets the second sale, etc. In effect, this is actually not 100% commissions, but 50% commissions, as the affiliate gets 100% commissions, but of every other sale.

              I think most vendors and affiliates are aware that PP does not approve of vendors selling products that are designed solely to sell your own affiliate program to others. In short, you are not really selling a product. You are selling people the opportunity to promote your product as an affiliate for 100% instant commissions. That's a BIG no-no.

              So, I think it's the product itself.

              It seems to be selling a short video that basically shows you how to set up your own "100% Instant Commissions Affiliate Program."

              It really isn't that far off from those offers I was talking about earlier that basically sell you the sales page you purchased from and a short tutorial that shows yo how to set it up and sell the same sales page to others. Basically, in a roundabout way it is pretty much a pyramid.

              I also think that regardless of the "affiliates" link at the bottom of the page, if PP caught on to you to promoting this product, they would still take action against you. The reality is the "product" reeks of "MLM/pyramid."

              I have to say that I'm a little shocked because the marketer responsible for this product has been around for a long time and from what I remember, used to sell legitimate products. I'm not sure why he would even associate himself with a "product" like that. At the very least, I'm pretty sure he should know that this type of system could get his "affiliates" into hot water. Not very responsible.

              But, as you correctly said earlier Sid, the ultimate responsibility lies with the affiliate for choosing to represent the product.

              While I feel bad for the OP, I also have to say I think maybe it wasn't the best decision to promote something like that.
              Hey guys.

              While Sid makes some good points ....He has come to some conclusions about what I was promoting and his conclusions are way off base.

              The product that Sid is referring to is to is probably about 5 years old. Frank Salinas does not even actively promote it anymore.

              And I have never promoted .....

              EZ Instant Commissions (FS)


              The product that got me banned has nothing to do with buying in just to make instant commissions.

              It's actually a very good product that helps you get viral traffic. The 100% commission is only for members who purchase the upgrade and those members can make 100% commissions instead of 50% commissions if the people they refer purchase the upgrade.


              So...to end all the confusion. I will reveal the site that got banned. I will even post the sales video below to show that it does not even look like it could be a mlm or get rich scheme.

              The name of the program that got me banned is called...

              The Thank You Page Connection. For anyone who want to see the sales page here is the link ....http://typageconnection.com/

              And below you can see the video that's on the sales page....


              As you can see by the video and the sales page...There is nothing sketchy about the product at all.

              That's the reason..I felt the need to share my experience on this forum. If paypal banned me for promoting this site...Then anyone who promotes any instant commission site that allows customer to customer payments should be very cautious.

              Note: Frank Salinas has since changed the affiliate program so that all payments go to him and then he pays all affiliate profits each Friday. He did this to ensure no one else loses their paypal account for promoting his site.
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              • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
                Originally Posted by webmarke View Post

                The product that got me banned has nothing to do with buying in just to make instant commissions.

                It's actually a very good product that helps you get viral traffic.
                I agree. It's basically a site that makes it easy for marketers to network and trade funnel clicks AKA "download page clicks."

                Originally Posted by webmarke View Post

                The 100% commission is only for members who purchase the upgrade and those members can make 100% commissions instead of 50% commissions if the people they refer purchase the upgrade.
                And therein lies the problem. You stated that:

                The product that got me banned has nothing to do with buying in just to make instant commissions.
                Then you stated:

                The 100% commission is only for members who purchase the upgrade and those members can make 100% commissions instead of 50% commissions
                That is buying in to make 100% instant commissions right there. That is the definition of an MLM.

                Originally Posted by webmarke View Post

                I will even post the sales video below to show that it does not even look like it could be a mlm or get rich scheme.
                I agree the product itself is not an MLM. However, the way the affiliate commissions are set up makes it one.

                Originally Posted by webmarke View Post

                Note: Frank Salinas has since changed the affiliate program so that all payments go to him and then he pays all affiliate profits each Friday. He did this to ensure no one else loses their paypal account for promoting his site.
                I'm afraid that is not going to matter. The problem is that there is an upgrade being sold for the sole purpose of allowing affiliates to earn 100% commissions instead of 50%. That makes it "multi-level."

                The product should be fine if he simply cuts out the upgrade and just pays all affiliates 50% across the board. While the FE product is completely legit, the upgrade is solely selling the opportunity to earn 100% commissions. PP sees that as an MLM, well, because it is one.

                All he needs to do is cut that component completely out of the product and just sell the funnel click or "Thank-You Page Connection" product and pay affiliates 50% or 75% across the board, and the product will be fine.

                If he wants to add an upgrade to the product, then maybe he should break it down into levels like the FE product lets you have 1 ad, and the upgrade allows you to post 3 ads, etc.

                Just changing the way he pays his affiliates and not changing the structure of the product will not change anything, IMO. He must stop selling the opportunity to get 100% commissions as an upgrade completely.

                If he wants to leave it the way it is, then I would suggest finding another payment processor to run his system on. There are many other payment processors that allow MLMs.

                Furthermore, it took me about 2 minutes to come with a much better system for a business model like this.

                It would be so much easier to set up a membership site and charge the members a monthly rate to belong, and just let them network with each other. Now you don't have to worry about controlling the code on everyone's pages, and you have set up a recurring income system. All you would need is to set up a forum based membership site and for a certain amount each month the members could belong and set up their own funnel swaps, as many as they'd like and as many different funnels as they like.

                You could even run an affiliate program. You could pay out 30% per month for every new member that a regular member refers. Let's say you charge $9 per month for the membership. When a member refers 3 new members, that will end up covering their membership every month. This gives people the incentive to refer new members and it completely eliminates the "multi-level" aspect.

                If you wanted to take it a step further and had some money to pay a developer, you could integrate click tracking and make it kind of like the "Safe Swaps" model, where you can set up funnel swaps for certain amounts of clicks, etc. Once you had those features in place you could even raise the monthly membership rate.

                There is absolutely no reason to make people pay extra to get a higher affiliate commission rate. It makes no sense with this type of product. I really feel badly for the people who are still blindly promoting this without realizing what they are actually promoting.

                I really feel terrible for the OP. I know it must be a terrible feeling to have that happen.

                The thing is, though, with the way that it's currently set up, PP saw the OP as the merchant.

                If Frank continues with the site the way it is and he starts paying people every week out of his own PP account, I don't think it will take long before they yank his. I hope it doesn't happen, because I don't like to see that happen to anyone, but man the way that site is set up now is just a recipe for disaster.
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        • Profile picture of the author webmarke
          Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

          That's a lot different than just posting a long rant against Instant Commission systems.

          If you notice, at the bottom of Frank Salinas' EZ Instant Commissions sales page, there is a link to his affiliate program signup page.

          The affiliate program sign up page says:

          Affiliates - Earn 100 % Instant Commissions!

          Thank You For Your Interest In Promoting
          EZ Instant Commissions (FS)

          ...and you were surprised that this would be unacceptable?

          The culprit was the 100% commissions.
          The red flag was the "Affiliates" link at the bottom of the sales page.


          Edit - Not only is that "Affiliates" link a red flag for Paypal, it's a sales page leak. I think it's been pretty well established around here that merchants should NOT put "leaks" on their sales pages, and that affiliate recruitment should be a separate function from product sales.

          Is it clear why NO affiliate should promote a sales page that contains a link to the affiliate sign up page? Even if the commission rate is NOT 100%, there's nothing to say that the merchant might not change the commission rate in the future.
          Just to be clear.

          I did not post a long rant against instant commission sites. I simply told my experience and warned people about a trend that has popped up in the last week or so.

          It's no coincidence that quite a few of the same type of sites that pay instant commissions got slapped by paypal in the same week.

          I was simply trying to inform members of my experience and the experience of vendors who got banned in the same week. They were all instant commission sites and they all allowed peer to peer payment.

          As I stated in the reply above this one...The site in question was not EZ Instant Commissions.

          It was Thank You Page Connection and it is not designed just to make commissions. See...the video in the above post.

          It's a legitimate service/product which has yielded me some quality free traffic and signups.
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          • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
            That's great to hear...

            Originally Posted by webmarke View Post

            While Sid makes some good points ....He has come to some conclusions about what I was promoting and his conclusions are way off base.
            Of course, if you had let us know when I first posted about EZ Instant Commissions (a week ago), maybe I could have saved some time.

            The product that Sid is referring to is to is probably about 5 years old. Frank Salinas does not even actively promote it anymore.
            Frank may not send out mailers for EZ Instant Commissions anymore, but...
            The page is still up, and comes up on page 1 of Google for me. That IS promotion.

            The product that got me banned has nothing to do with buying in just to make instant commissions.

            It's actually a very good product that helps you get viral traffic. The 100% commission is only for members who purchase the upgrade and those members can make 100% commissions instead of 50% commissions if the people they refer purchase the upgrade.
            What is it about that statement that DOESN'T sound like MLM or pyramid???

            The name of the program that got me banned is called...

            The Thank You Page Connection. For anyone who want to see the sales page here is the link ....http://typageconnection.com/


            As you can see by the video and the sales page...There is nothing sketchy about the product at all.
            ?????
            I spoke earlier about sales page leaks.
            While Thank You Page Connection doesn't have the "affiliates" link at the bottom...
            Did you bother to check out the Recommended Site of The Day link at the bottom of that page?

            Do you get commissions on the page that is delivered to your visitor if they click on that link?
            Click that link again.
            How about that offer? Who benefits from that offer?
            Click again, etc.


            Note: Frank Salinas has since changed the affiliate program so that all payments go to him and then he pays all affiliate profits each Friday. He did this to ensure no one else loses their paypal account for promoting his site.
            I don't want to bash Frank Salinas here. I know of him, but I really don't know him/his products beyond what little research I've done as a result of this thread, however...

            Your above statement caused me to look for his affiliate program by scrolling through the same set of search results mentioned above. In the first few pages, I found this...
            http://FrankSalinas.com/affiliates

            The first product listing shown to affiliates has a headline that says "Start Earning 100% Instant Commissions Via PayPal By Promoting This Red-Hot Interview Product!"

            Now, since you seem to hold Frank in pretty high esteem, I would guess that this IS NOT his real affiliate sign up page, but it is what it is.

            Originally Posted by webmarke View Post

            It's no coincidence that quite a few of the same type of sites that pay instant commissions got slapped by paypal in the same week.

            I was simply trying to inform members of my experience and the experience of vendors who got banned in the same week. They were all instant commission sites and they all allowed peer to peer payment.
            I agree. It is NOT a coincidence. However, your conclusions were pretty hastily drawn.

            First, a week does not a trend make.

            Second, what else did the other unfortunates have in common (i.e. were they all promoting Frank's products, were they all using Payspree?)

            Third, you have NO idea whether any instant commission sellers who were using non peer-to-peer (inaccurate term, but used here for consistency) affiliate payment methods also had their PP accounts limited.

            edit - Just to be clear, I don't have a problem with 100% instant commissions. But... IF you make 100% commissions a part of your offer (even if just one bullet item in your benefit list), and you use Paypal as your payment processor, your days are numbered.

            Separate your affiliate recruiting efforts from your product sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
    So were you promoting a weight loss program ?

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    Not so fat my friends.
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  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
    paypal doesn't mess around

    if they ban you its because u broke their tos.

    its never a mystery......

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    • Profile picture of the author madstan
      Sounds like Amazon which is worse imo.

      Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

      paypal doesn't mess around

      if they ban you its because u broke their tos.

      its never a mystery......

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      • Profile picture of the author aizaku
        Originally Posted by madstan View Post

        Sounds like Amazon which is worse imo.
        my paypal account is fine and without problem...


        yes amazon did kick me out of their affiliates program for incentivizing a lead capture, but that was years ago and completely my fault for not reading their ToS.


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  • Profile picture of the author rodonet
    Does that mean it's curtains for those who use scripts like the 7 Dollar Script and RAP? And does that also mean that Payspree's days are numbered?
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Not at all!!

      Originally Posted by rodonet View Post

      Does that mean it's curtains for those who use scripts like the 7 Dollar Script and RAP? And does that also mean that Payspree's days are numbered?
      Instant Commissions and 100% commissions are NOT the same thing.
      None of those programs require you to set the commission rate to 100%

      Paypal looks at 100% commission programs as simply a way to recruit a downline and immediately lumps those into the category of MLM business and/or pyramid or ponzi schemes. All of these are against their Acceptable Use Policy and will not be allowed if they find them.

      This is not new.
      I noted this in an earlier response... Jon Leger (the creator of $7 Script) lost his Paypal account in early 2007 because of the 100% commission rate. It didn't help that he actually advertised the 100% commission rate right on the sales page.

      RAP was released in September 2007 (about 6 months after Jon Leger lost his Paypal account) and is still in use 9 years later.
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      • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
        Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

        Not at all!!



        Instant Commissions and 100% commissions are NOT the same thing.
        None of those programs require you to set the commission rate to 100%

        Paypal looks at 100% commission programs as simply a way to recruit a downline and immediately lumps those into the category of MLM business and/or pyramid or ponzi schemes. All of these are against their Acceptable Use Policy and will not be allowed if they find them.

        This is not new.
        I noted this in an earlier response... Jon Leger (the creator of $7 Script) lost his Paypal account in early 2007 because of the 100% commission rate. It didn't help that he actually advertised the 100% commission rate right on the sales page.

        RAP was released in September 2007 (about 6 months after Jon Leger lost his Paypal account) and is still in use 9 years later.
        I understand what you are saying Sid, but there are hundreds, if not thousands of vendors who sell on JVZoo and Warrior Plus and offer 100% on their FE products and include links to the affiliate/JV sign up page at the bottom of the sales page.

        While I agree that's probably not a great idea, it's done by thousands of vendors. It's even pretty much common practice for top vendors who have huge launches weekly or monthly on JVZoo or Warrior Plus.

        I don't know if the OP was just unlucky or what. I believe it has a lot to do with the "peer to peer" commission instead of the offering of 100% commissions on the FE product.

        I think PP wants the payment to first go to the vendor, and then the vendor issues the commission to the affiliate. If it is not done like this, it can be an absolute nightmare when it comes to people wanting refunds.

        For instance, when a sale is made by an affiliate on JVZoo, the payment goes into the vendor's PP account and then the affiliates percentage is paid to their PP account. If the customer requests a refund, the affiliate's payment is automatically pulled from their PP account as soon as the vendor issues the refund.

        With "customer to customer" 100% instant payments, the refund process would be an absolute nightmare. The vendor basically has no control over issuing refunds for his own product. It seems obvious to me why PP would not approve of that.

        Imagine you are a vendor and you put a refund policy on your page, yet there is no real way for you to stand by it because it's up to the customer who received the payment to refund the buyer. If the customer refuses, it results in a dispute, etc. Basically the vendor is putting something on their sales page that they know they absolutely cannot stand by.

        Also, I can easily see how this would look like an MLM to PayPal.

        However, punishing the affiliate seems a little harsh to me.
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        • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
          Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

          I understand what you are saying Sid, but there are hundreds, if not thousands of vendors who sell on JVZoo and Warrior Plus and offer 100% on their FE products and include links to the affiliate/JV sign up page at the bottom of the sales page.
          I, myself, don't sell much at 100% commissions - but it is just as common with the 3200+ RAP vendors.

          I make it very clear to them from day 1 that affiliate recruiting should NOT be done from the sales page, and the templates I supply with RAP have no link to the affiliate sign up page.

          While I agree that's probably not a great idea, it's done by thousands of vendors. It's even pretty much common practice for top vendors who have huge launches weekly or monthly on JVZoo or Warrior Plus.
          Yeah - I laugh at this. I can turn just about any $7 info product into a $19 product in about an hour, and then give my affiliates a 50% commission rate. They make more per sale ($9.50) than they would make on a $7 product at 100%.

          I don't know if the OP was just unlucky or what. I believe it has a lot to do with the "peer to peer" commission instead of the offering of 100% commissions on the FE product.
          ..but do you really have any more basis for that opinion than the OP had for forming his?

          My statements were based in part on Jon Leger's own very detailed account of why he lost his PP account (he posted publicly on the 7 Dollar forum at the time), as well as my own/my customers experience over the past 9 years of using RAP.

          I think PP wants the payment to first go to the vendor, and then the vendor issues the commission to the affiliate.
          Paypal doesn't care. They are NOT an affiliate commission platform. Peer to peer payments is exactly their business model.


          If it is not done like this, it can be an absolute nightmare when it comes to people wanting refunds.

          With "customer to customer" 100% instant payments, the refund process would be an absolute nightmare. The vendor basically has no control over issuing refunds for his own product. It seems obvious to me why PP would not approve of that.
          It's not a nightmare, at all.

          Over the past 9 years, customers have paid my affiliates $162,610 for their 50% "commission". In that time frame, affiliates have had to refund about $32,000 of that money. That's just monies that MY affiliates have earned. Those 3200+ RAP customers I mentioned earlier, also have affiliates selling their products, paying them commissions in a "peer-to-peer" fashion, processing refunds, etc.

          Refund requests for my own affiliates often come to my helpdesk, and I forward the request to the affiliate.

          The affiliate either processes the refund, or I advise the customer that he/she needs to process a Paypal dispute against the affiliate. I don't have a specific number for how many times I have had to advise the customer to file a dispute, but it's a minuscule number (i.e. less than 10).

          However, punishing the affiliate seems a little harsh to me.
          Punishing the affiliate for not processing the refund? as opposed to automatically withdrawing the affiliate commissions directly from their account?

          The only "punishment" occurs when the affiliate refuses to abide by the terms of the affiliate agreement.
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          • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
            Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

            Punishing the affiliate for not processing the refund? as opposed to automatically withdrawing the affiliate commissions directly from their account?

            The only "punishment" occurs when the affiliate refuses to abide by the terms of the affiliate agreement.
            No. What I meant to say was that I think the punishment was a little harsh on the OP since it was not a site he owned. He was just an affiliate. However, if their TOS got broken, they do have a right to do that. That's part of the agreement that is made when you start to use their services, so they are within their rights to do that.

            I remember the way RAP works. I myself never used it but I was a paid member of RapBank and the way it worked was similar, now that you mention it. If someone bought one of my products through one of my affiliates, I think it was up to me to issue the refund to the buyer, and then the affiliate had to send the money back to me.

            I have to admit I don't really remember how that worked, since it's been such a long time since I sold a product through RapBank, and they aren't even around anymore. I'm sure you would remember better how that process went.

            All I know is how it works through JVZoo and Warrior Plus, since those are the two main platforms I promote from.

            If I make a commission and the buyer wants a refund, the refund is issued to the buyer by the vendor, and then the vendor automatically pulls the commission out of my account and back into his.

            I kind of like this better since it's all automatic and requires less work on my part and there is no chance that I could screw up and not see a refund request in a timely manner, etc.

            The only thing that you have to be smart about with this system is to make sure you keep enough money in your account to cover any possible refunds.

            This is how a lot of newbies mess up.

            They start making commissions and immediately withdraw the money from their PP account. Then if a few refunds come in and they don't have the money in their account and do not have enough money in their linked bank account to cover it, they are left with a negative balance. If they do this a couple of times it won't be long before they lose their account.

            Technically, with the new 6 month refund rule on digital products, even though the commission is paid to you instantly, it really isn't "clear" to withdraw for at least 6 months. That's why I think it's very important to keep a considerable amount of money in your account, especially if you are making a large number of commissions.

            All I'm saying id that there are literally thousands of vendors offering 100% commissions on FE products. Whether or not the fact that they advertise their affiliate program is what causes these account closures, I don't really know.

            I guess the lesson here is that you should always have a backup plan in place in this business, because you never know what can happen when you are relying on third party companies for vital components of your business.
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            • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
              I understand what you're saying (now)...

              Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

              No. What I meant to say was that I think the punishment was a little harsh on the OP since it was not a site he owned. He was just an affiliate. However, if their TOS got broken, they do have a right to do that. That's part of the agreement that is made when you start to use their services, so they are within their rights to do that.
              but I don't agree.
              1. The OP knew that he was being paid directly by the customer,
              2. he knew that he was receiving the full selling price (100% commissions), and
              3. because he received the full price from the sales page, Paypal has NO way of knowing that he is just an affiliate (nor should they care)

              From Paypal's point of view, they limited an account that was using their service in a manner that was not in compliance with their Acceptable Use Policy. They may not have gotten every one in the "pyramid", but in their eyes, they got one... and expect to get more of them over time.

              Affiliates really need to do a better job of vetting the products that they recommend - especially if they are getting 100% commissions.

              Of course, the vendor should do a better job of setting up their product promotion, but affiliates are responsible for the recommendations they make, and "...but I'm just an affiliate" isn't a valid excuse. There's more to being an affiliate than just tacking your affiliate ID onto the end of a URL.

              That's not just me talking. Above and beyond just the ethics involved, there are FTC guidelines to be followed, and (surprise, surprise) the terms of their Paypal account agreement. I wonder how many have even read the agreement and/or the Acceptable Use Policy?
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              • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
                Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

                I understand what you're saying (now)...



                but I don't agree.
                1. The OP knew that he was being paid directly by the customer,
                2. he knew that he was receiving the full selling price (100% commissions), and
                3. because he received the full price from the sales page, Paypal has NO way of knowing that he is just an affiliate (nor should they care)

                From Paypal's point of view, they limited an account that was using their service in a manner that was not in compliance with their Acceptable Use Policy. They may not have gotten every one in the "pyramid", but in their eyes, they got one... and expect to get more of them over time.

                Affiliates really need to do a better job of vetting the products that they recommend - especially if they are getting 100% commissions.

                Of course, the vendor should do a better job of setting up their product promotion, but affiliates are responsible for the recommendations they make, and "...but I'm just an affiliate" isn't a valid excuse. There's more to being an affiliate than just tacking your affiliate ID onto the end of a URL.

                That's not just me talking. Above and beyond just the ethics involved, there are FTC guidelines to be followed, and (surprise, surprise) the terms of their Paypal account agreement. I wonder how many have even read the agreement and/or the Acceptable Use Policy?
                Sid, I agree with you for the most part. What I'm trying to say, though, is that it had to have been something to do with the way the site is set up and worded that would cause PP to think it's a "pyramid" type product.

                There are thousands of products listed on JVZoo and Warrior Plus that pay 100% commissions on the FE product and then usually 50% on the remaining products in the funnel, and I've not heard of anybody losing their PP account over running their products on those two platforms, and I know a LOT of vendors who do it.

                Since we don't know what kind of site it was, what kind of product the site promoted, what the buyer received, etc, then it's hard to really understand why PP did what they did.

                Also, I'm thinking that W+ and JVZoo would not allow vendors to set their products at 100% commissions if they are aware that causes people to lose their PP accounts. I would think they would even be afraid to lose their own PP accounts.

                As an affiliate myself, I'd love to know what kind of product this site sold. I know that PP doesn't like "products" that basically just sell the right to promote the "product" to others.

                You've probably seen some of these scammy kits that sell for a few dollars, and all the buyer gets is the same exact sales page he bought from and instructions on how to sell the sales page to others.

                I can totally understand why PP would hate that. I hate that myself. It's a shoddy product. Actually, there is NO product.

                However, as long as it is a legitimate digital product, such as a video course or ebook, or a piece of software, I can't see them having a problem with people offering 100% commissions on those.

                The only reason I say this is simply because of the thousands of vendors who do it. There are many "big name" marketers doing launches like this once or twice a month, and they even include a link to the JV page on the sales, in effect promoting their own affiliate program. Many vendors even promote their affiliate programs using Facebook ads.

                Maybe you're right. Maybe PP just hasn't caught up to all of them. I don't know. I certainly don't have all the answers and I could be wrong. Lord knows I've been wrong plenty of times.

                Like I said, when you open a PP account, you agree to their TOS, so it's not wrong for them to shut down any account at any time for any reason they wish. I don't think they are wrong for doing that when they feel have good enough reason. After all, they have a business to protect, and they are not going to put themselves at risk for one account. I get that. It's just proper business.

                Again, as I said earlier, I guess that's why it's important to always have a backup plan and to not "put all your eggs in one basket," so to speak.
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  • Profile picture of the author Splatterfox
    PayPal is really harsh and can destroy or heavily harm your business in a matter of seconds. My advice is that as long as you use PayPal you should be extremely careful on what you sell and especially HOW.
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    • Profile picture of the author madstan
      PayPal has really come a long way since it's early days.

      Originally Posted by Splatterfox View Post

      PayPal is really harsh and can destroy or heavily harm your business in a matter of seconds. My advice is that as long as you use PayPal you should be extremely careful on what you sell and especially HOW.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Bright
    Have heard lots of complain about Paypal these days and it keep scaring me to keep my hard cash in there
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    • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
      Originally Posted by Paul Bright View Post

      Have heard lots of complain about Paypal these days and it keep scaring me to keep my hard cash in there
      I trust PP with a lot of money. I trust them more than some "brick and mortar" banks I've dealt with.

      For the last 6-8 years, I've used my PP business debit card for nearly everything.

      It gets my vote for the best "Internet created" inovation of all.
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      • Profile picture of the author BrianWilson85
        Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

        I trust PP with a lot of money. I trust them more than some "brick and mortar" banks I've dealt with.

        For the last 6-8 years, I've used my PP business debit card for nearly everything.

        It gets my vote for the best "Internet created" inovation of all.
        I used to feel the same way until I got hit, and my friends got hit, and their friends got hit... It's not a matter of IF but more like WHEN.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    2 things

    1) If you are doing the wrong thing, and have not read their terms and conditions properly, you will be punished and for good reason.

    2) Normally people do not realise, and they get angry and curse GOD and PAYPAL to hell, when the chit hits the fan or their accounts sees a problem....but they do not realise its a quick phone call, to work something small out. Do not make a mountain over a mole hill, that is not how you deal with pp problems.

    in 2016, with traffic monsoon and all that other BS, and pyramid and HYIP, and bitcoin to pp crap, its no wonder they are clamping down.

    Also, make sure your payment descriptions are legit, and are professional. I worked out they do not like scam type programs, and or words that sound the alarm bells, so choose wisely.

    Ive done over $80K USD in paypal sales this year, already in just 1 of my main accounts. They are making nice money from me, [as I pay transaction fees] but realistically, there is not anything wrong with Paypal, if there is a problem, its usually with you, or something your selling. So be sure to look into all the terms, and conditions, and also stuff your selling. To ensure you do not get into trouble within days, or down the track.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
    Honestly sorry to hear it, but no surprise here with that 100% com thing.

    Man, why did you do it? You are a smart cookie, but not in that case.
    Let's try to find a solution:

    you basically could use one of the many co-processors
    that offer several processing options, and one of them is Paypal?

    Then you basically would take payments on THEIR paypal account?
    and they transfer it to something which you would have access to.....
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  • This also means that if you're a part of any network such as easy1up, exitus and similar programs your paypal account might get shut down.

    So be cautious when you become a part of such MLM programs that offer little to no value to your customers and that have no real product that's being traded when people complete a purchase.

    Earn 100% commissions and you only have to resell the same thing you just bought. Really? I'm very against these types of programs that keep on popping up in social media and our email inboxes.

    It will only get you in trouble with PayPal and with your subscribers and future customers (usually a lot of them complain because there isn't any way possible for them to make money unless they have a huge following so they can pitch them).

    Just my 0.02

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  • Profile picture of the author EPoltrack77
    Simple reason is people do not follow their terms of service. Even though paypal is one of the most expensive merchants I have been using them for years and I offer them a second source for my website where I sell fishing products.

    I average around 3 to 5 thousand a month with them and have never had a problem.

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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Agree 100%

      Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

      This is where I have a little bit of a problem with the merchant. This merchant has been around for a long time and knows the rules. I'm struggling to understand why anyone who knows how to create and sell legitimate digital products would enter into this arena and take these kinds of risks. I would think there would be absolutely no need, or want for that matter.
      I think you are assuming a level of understanding among marketers (merchants and affiliates, alike) that just doesn't exist. Most (IMHO) internet marketers who use Paypal's services have never even read Paypal's AUP. Of those that have... Most (IMHO) don't understand it to the degree that would allow them to understand how it applies to this situation.

      I don't think Frank Salinas realized that he was exposing his affiliates to the degree that they were impacted. Heck - for all I know, he STILL doesn't realize it. I think he saw this simply as an easy way to attract more affiliates to promote this and other products that he promotes, and didn't anticipate any downside whatsoever.

      While I agree with you 100% that the affiliate is responsible for the programs he/she chooses to promote, the merchant also shares responsibility for putting a product out there that is known to be risky and considered a violation of the payment processor's TOS. It doesn't matter which payment processor it is -- if a product is against their TOS, then putting it out there for anyone to promote is not exactly what I would call honest marketing.

      And, I have to even go as far as to say that the affiliate network also shares some of the responsibility. There is a good reason why you don't see products like that on top affiliate networks.
      You'll get no argument from me there. There is plenty of blame to go around.
      Unfortunately, Paypal is only policing the transactions that are processed through their platform and the only person receiving payment in this situation was the OP. As far as they can tell from the order button code that was passed to them... the OP IS the merchant.


      Originally Posted by EPoltrack77 View Post

      Verify your account!
      Absolutely!!

      Only a business account should be used to conduct commerce via Paypal (even as an affiliate), and account verification is a pre-requisite to "Verified" status.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

    Actually, I think it is exactly like those offers, but rather than delivering the sales page for the buyer to put up on his/her own domain, it offers 100% commissions - essentially offering a hosted reseller program where you don't have to download the sales page and self-host it.
    Sounds like the seller-hosted MLM recruiting pages that get so many newby MLMers' sigs turned off here. I'm sure PP has flags built in to recognize this footprint.

    Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

    This is where I have a little bit of a problem with the merchant. This merchant has been around for a long time and knows the rules. I'm struggling to understand why anyone who knows how to create and sell legitimate digital products would enter into this arena and take these kinds of risks. I would think there would be absolutely no need, or want for that matter.
    One would think so, right?

    Yet how many threads are started every day asking how to get around some site's TOS, or how to get another account after the marketer has been caught/banned?

    I think the key is differentiating between "anyone who knows how to create and sell legitimate digital products" and the grifters and hustlers who just want to make a buck without having to diddle around with things like ethics or following TOS.

    Terms of Service? We don't need no stinking Terms of Service...


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    • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      Sounds like the seller-hosted MLM recruiting pages that get so many newby MLMers' sigs turned off here. I'm sure PP has flags built in to recognize this footprint.



      One would think so, right?

      Yet how many threads are started every day asking how to get around some site's TOS, or how to get another account after the marketer has been caught/banned?

      I think the key is differentiating between "anyone who knows how to create and sell legitimate digital products" and the grifters and hustlers who just want to make a buck without having to diddle around with things like ethics or following TOS.

      Terms of Service? We don't need no stinking Terms of Service...

      Blazing Saddles - We dont need no stinking badges.. - YouTube

      (RIP, Gene Wilder)
      It's funny you posted the Gene Wilder video. Since his passing last week, I have been watching all of the Richard Pryor/Gene Wilder "buddy" movies.

      I watched Stir Crazy a few days ago and just this afternoon I watched See No Evil, Hear No Evil.

      Those guys were incredible together. My sides were literally in pain from laughing after both of those movies.

      Not IM related, but since you posted the video I have to say that Gene Wilder was pure comedic genius.
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      • Profile picture of the author Virginia Sanders
        You might want to check to see if you or that program received a lot of complaints or refund request.. I joined one of Frank Salinas' sites and the amount of scammy emails as a result are ridiculous One of the sites i joined claimed they had this software that was so incredible that it helped you promote.... on.. and on. When you signed up for $67.00 you realized that they did not have any software you had to purchase the real software from another site that was just a lead capture system that costs $47.00 per month. This program was some kind of automated funnel that was not even completed ready to go. It was a complete mess. I of course demanded my money back but there are numerous examples of less than ethical programs from that 100% com site that Salinas has. Refunds from these sites are the responsibility of the seller.. meaning you and if they are not done .. you can really get in trouble with PayPal, So beware of your offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpacashman
    To be safe & not be banned by paypal we should not pick 100% commissions offers on the front
    end only go after say a 50% commissions split with the vender taking all orders & then sending
    our commissions out correct.

    Is it still safe to use these sites wso-jvzoo & payspree if we make sure the
    vender takes the orders & then sends out our commissions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      That's certainly the safest route, but...

      Originally Posted by cpacashman View Post

      To be safe & not be banned by paypal we should not pick 100% commissions offers on the front
      end only go after say a 50% commissions split with the vender taking all orders & then sending
      our commissions out correct.

      Is it still safe to use these sites wso-jvzoo & payspree if we make sure the
      vender takes the orders & then sends out our commissions.
      There is nothing wrong with promoting 100% instant commission offers from JVZoo, PaySpree, etc. as long as you understand the offer first.

      Make sure you understand how Paypal would view the offer. That means, understanding the offer AND understanding Paypal's Acceptable Use Policy.

      If it has an affiliates link at the bottom of the sales page, and that affiliates page explains that the offer can be promoted with 100% commissions - avoid it like the plague.
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      • Profile picture of the author cpacashman
        Thanks Sid I'll do that before I get in trouble with paypal wise advise.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Although every company has a horror story to be honest 9 times out of 10 I find people who have issues with Paypal were not selling a legit product or service.

    That doesn't discount the 1 in 10 others. I don't put my head on the block for any company but I've done well with Paypal for over a decade even as people were crying the sky was falling
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  • Profile picture of the author Skywriting
    Originally Posted by webmarke View Post

    In my case..I was flagged for a site that if you take a look at it...You will see that it's totally legitimate and is not some mlm or get rich quick site.
    If you buy a car for 10,000 and the dealer recommends you sell it to 3 more people at $10.000 each, you can see how it's not a legit business model.
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    • Profile picture of the author webmarke
      Originally Posted by Skywriting View Post

      If you buy a car for 10,000 and the dealer recommends you sell it to 3 more people at $10.000 each, you can see how it's not a legit business model.
      Following your example...All resell right products would be considered MLM schemes.

      Does anyone on this site really believe that to be true?

      Because your example is the same model people who sell resell right products use.

      And by the way...I I sell the same car 3 times..There is no way that the 3 buyers can all have access to the car.

      Although I don't agree with everything SID said...at least his statement made since.

      Your drive by comment is baseless.
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  • Profile picture of the author SALINAS
    a friend let me know about this post.. to help where I can: paypal did not tell me it was due to instant commissions.. actually, they were very vague.

    Since this has happened, a few people I know had their accounts limited and some of them did not payout instant commissions nor did they pay out 100% commissions. Also, some of them were not site owners either, they were affiliates/members.

    I have owned several 100% instant commission sites since 2007 and never had trouble with them...up until earlier this year (march) when they limited my account for less than 24hrs...I contacted them and they reviewed my sites and lifted the limitation. I had let them know the sites sold advertising and members earned commissions instantly if they chose to promote.. and that my sites paid out 1 tier commissions.

    I cannot prove it but really think it has to do with the traffic monsoon stuff that went on. I wasn't even a member of that site but I think they are
    relating any site that offers traffic/advertising to a ponzi scheme like traffic monsoon came out to be.

    this is a real document:
    https://www.sec.gov/litigation/compl.../comp23604.pdf

    so anywho.. my account is still limited and that's okay with me.
    A few years ago I would have probably not been able to handle it.. but now, I am using it as a reason to keep pushing forward and to grow and to find a way no matter what.. and I am. Paypal isn't the only way to get paid and I am glad I don't rely on it as my sole source of income anymore.

    I am coming out of this way better off because it forced me to think outside the box and to be more proactive and come up with solutions for myself and members of my sties.
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