Making Money without Lying

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Asked this question on Quora, the best response was someone selling a ponzi scheme. In 2016 you can't make money without either lying to yourself or lying to someone else, which ends up with the same end result

There is now very limited external monetary input, it's syndicated within each market, which means when it goes, and it will, you will hear the bang around the world. Won't list the details but there are some products and services (top 1%) that do exactly what they say on the tin saving both time and money (no lying), occasionally (top 5%) you get one or the other (one lie), and most (95%) do neither (both lies)

Backlinks
Validates backlinks for quality and currently not paid saving hours and days of work

Affiliate
Auto-syncs a 1million product WordPress site with networks for fixed price (also Magento but no-one has access to that)

Networks
The affiliate retailers are not paying up, 180days or more, advised of a strategy which provides immediate income generation of $100s/mth/retailer in to a quality affiliate site with the tech to make it happen, it dilutes the problem and solves the retailers marketing issues at the same time.

Hosting
Gets Google to index sites (Magento/WordPress/Drupal/Joomla) in days with high ranking (need 1,000s products/pages but that is possible by the affiliate tech) as Google think the sites are $multi-million, this one's a bit special. Google make ~70% of revenue via AdWords duping most that it helps them, so it's just balancing the equation.

Forex
Downloads forex data in realtime and processes it in to OHLC, you can code institution grade algorithms in hours and it will send you alerts via Twitter.

eCommerce
Instant eCommerce site launched sameday to start generating revenue overnight.

and so on.

The key to life is prevention, so don't say you weren't warned, when a house of cards goes it's takes everyone out and there's no new capital coming in. Have been reading all the forums paying close attention, it's all syndicated. If you don't have the services to support capital generation 'outside of the syndicate' the income will dry up overnight. Worked for a large corporate where they had an internal syndicated structure, when the 'event' happened it took out a lot of people, including ones who shouldn't have been.

Live by a simple principle, if can't have a win/win situation which generates revenue and also helps the other party equally, will always side on helping people. Everyone else sides on the revenue generation, as you cannot have either these days you sell your soul or sit and watch the show.

Note: By the way, all those products were made for internal use, if someone had any sense and asked for help they would have probably let them use some of them for free, they make their money in other ways and help people with growth strategies, close enough to an incubator. Einstein was right about the universe and stupidity. Ciao!
#lying #making #money
  • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
    Well since you brought up Einstein at the end there. There's a quote that gets attributed to him that sums up what you just wrote...

    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
    I get what you're trying to say, but your post reads like confusing mess..
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  • Profile picture of the author Chante Freeman
    Hey, cheer up! Your post seems so sad.. looks like some company got the best of you.. I do think you can make money without lying to people. Just deliver exactly what you say you are going to deliver. As far as the ones you mentioned, those were just ways to get more traffic. Its up to the consumer/customer to do their due diligence to not get "scammed". Don't be so negative friend!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by Acornia View Post

    In 2016 you can't make money without either lying to yourself or lying to someone else

    If you really believe this, I would strongly suggest you get out of Internet marketing right now. There is nothing here for you and your mindset. Such generalizations show your defeatist attitude which will not serve you well in this industry.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    Originally Posted by Acornia View Post

    In 2016 you can't make money without either lying to yourself or lying to someone else, which ends up with the same end result
    Utter nonsense and I don't appreciate being called a liar.

    Just because you don't have the smarts or determination to make a go of things, it's everyone else who must be wrong, right?

    I'm sure there were people who said the same thing at the start of the print revolution.. when newspapers.. books and magazines started filling shelves.. and even up to a few decades ago when tutorial VHS's were launched in stores...

    What you're witnessing right now is the continuing evolution of how information is disseminated.

    Because it's digital.. you can think of it like... a comet.

    And you're a dinosaur.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gambino
    Originally Posted by Acornia View Post

    In 2016 you can't make money without either lying to yourself or lying to someone else, which ends up with the same end result
    This was the dumbest thing I've ever read. Well, at least until I read the rest of the OP.
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    • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
      Originally Posted by Gambino View Post

      This was the dumbest thing I've ever read. Well, at least until I read the rest of the OP.
      LOL. was the same for me....however [one nagging thought on the back of my head is coming in...]

      maybe i am lying to myself right now?

      do we Know when we're lying to ourself? No, we ignore that possibility

      THAT point is true explosive material in the OP.

      KUDOS for that OP, you know something of true value. Ignorance is actual fact
      all liars are ignorant to their own weakness: which is: lying to themselves is
      undetectable by ourselves. Not one will acknowledge that possibility.

      "Me? - Never!" Hahaha.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Gambino View Post

      This was the dumbest thing I've ever read. Well, at least until I read the rest of the OP.
      It still is for me because it was so incoherent I stopped reading after the first paragraph or two
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        It still is for me because it was so incoherent I stopped reading after the first paragraph or two


        Interesting.

        So an active forum is better regardless of the thread quality?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Interesting.

          So an active forum is better regardless of the thread quality?
          One thread doesn't make a forum. We have had incoherent posts for ever since I can remember. I have read a couple of your posts that I thought the same.

          If you hate the quality of the forum so much you always have to gripe and derail threads all over WF with the quality of this active forum then why not move on ? Nowhere else to go (ahem thats active)? Theres always an offline life you could begin building.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            One thread doesn't make a forum. We have had incoherent posts for ever since I can remember. I have read a couple of your posts that I thought the same.

            If you hate the quality of the forum so much you always have to gripe and derail threads all over WF then why not move on ? Nowhere else to go? Theres always an offline life you could begin building.




            Actually this thread is better than some of the threads recently started in the SEO forum.

            Not sure why you would encourage someone to leave.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post


              Not sure why you would encourage someone to leave.
              its a conditional statement since you didn't notice

              IF you hate the quality of the forum so much you always have to gripe and derail threads all over WF then
              You can always stay and stop griping and derailing threads trying to make them into threads about the general condition of WF. totally optional.
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                its a conditional statement since you didn't notice
                It looked like encouragement for forum members to leave.

                I'm not sure why I would leave.

                Can you clarify your motive?







                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                You can always stay and stop griping and derailing threads trying to make them into threads about the general condition of WF. totally optional.
                Thanks, I think I'll stay.

                I have to be honest, I'm getting mixed signals with your comments.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  Thanks, I think I'll stay.
                  Great! You are very welcome. Glad I could convince you to stay - Seo forum has some great topics started recently . give it a try. things are improving every day. Cheer up
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                • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  It looked like encouragement for forum members to leave.

                  I'm not sure why I would leave.

                  Can you clarify your motive?

                  Thanks, I think I'll stay.

                  I have to be honest, I'm getting mixed signals with your comments.
                  i read 3 threads now you guys talking with each other like a married couple

                  so....you gonna reunite now - or is the split final?

                  "I'm not sure why I would leave." You stay! end of story. We all like you.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by George Schwab View Post

                    so....you gonna reunite now - or is the split final?
                    The "re" in that sentence is hurl worthy
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                  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                    Originally Posted by George Schwab View Post

                    i read 3 threads now you guys talking with each other like a married couple

                    so....you gonna reunite now - or is the split final?

                    "I'm not sure why I would leave." You stay! end of story. We all like you.


                    He's not my wife.

                    He's all yours... enjoy. Lmao.
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                    • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
                      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                      He's not my wife.

                      He's all yours... enjoy. Lmao.
                      Honestly cannot enjoy that idea, what would I do with him?

                      I wished we could have a decent SEO discussion with him,
                      but somehow we seem to live in different parallel universes
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  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
    seems like your bringing the wrong kind of attention to yourself.


    but you got that part right,,, you need to bring attention to your: blog - funnel and product/affiliate..


    once you start doing that then you'll back on this post and realize how silly your comment was..

    not judging, ive had silly opinions myself.


    anyways..

    best of luck,
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  • Profile picture of the author bleght
    I had a bit of a hard time following this and I'm still not sure who you're talking about and what point you're trying to make.

    So I'll just disagree with the sentiment of the title and first paragraph. There are A LOT of ways to earn money without lying. Many companies are very open about their products and free trials and return policies make sure you are very unlikely to be paying for something you don't want and/or can't use. What's the problem there? Most real businesses either provide consumers with something they want or provide business with something that is useful to them. If at least one of those is not the case, the business in question is not likely to last very long.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Most people who see success. They do not copy. Instead, they get angry. Don't let that be you.

    A used car salesman said - you can't move cars without lying, but he was selling yugos.

    Key is to sell a great product or a service. That way you do not need to lie to consumers.

    Find a career you can believe in. This is not the one for you.

    Customers have problems and need you to help em.
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    • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
      [QUOTE=seobro;10844045]Most people who see success. They do not copy. Instead, they get angry. Don't let that be you.

      /QUOTE]

      no way, after you watch " angry birds 2016" in 3 D - you've gotta get angry
      or you will not make any money this year. ya, i/ve said it.

      angry is full of energy... takes you to places...reminds me of ... still going to
      take down one arrogant company off the interwebs - top 500 co,
      tonight...hey they bargained high
      -and they lost -
      goodbye! you're offline within a week. Sorry to say
      companies that cheat people: goodbye! have a vacation :
      BUT not on my island.
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Some really harsh assertions and Generalizations by OP.
    And probably rightfully getting flamed
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    Einstein was right about the universe and stupidity. Ciao!
    Did you have a little "white powder" this morning? I only ask because the last time I heard something so scattered and insensible, it was coming out of the mouth of a tweaker.
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  • Profile picture of the author Isaiah Nixon
    Offering the quick way to massive will more than likely be a lie. You can make money with the truth though.
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  • Profile picture of the author William Waltham
    The OP didn't make a lot of sense with his post, it's true. But, maybe he's not a native English speaker? I see this a lot online, so I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. The post actually reads like it was written by someone who's first language is not English.
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  • Profile picture of the author go4wardnow
    Wow, the original post got many juices flowing here. I have had great experiences trusting many different marketers and their information/information products. I have also seen some not so good products...so true anywhere you do business in life, right?

    I will say this though...That 100 % of the time that I ever failed in IM or business opportunity that it was due to my own actions (or lack of). I discovered that when I
    failed the common denominator was me...not the program or opportunity I was trying to implement!

    So heads up to people ready to condemn a product or opportunity...Maybe its time to look into the mirror! Keep on keeping on ...Get back up when you fall... Find reasons for success not reasons for failure, after all quitting is the easiest route.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris-
    Lying is always a short-term strategy, because people are not that stupid (or they are only stupid a few times, at least!).

    With a short-term strategy, you are, in effect, re-building your business over and over again. Much better to use an honest approach, where your business grows exponentially, rather than not at all.

    In other words, lying as a marketing strategy, is usually an approach for those who are bad at math

    There are a plenty of gray areas, where things that are said are not exactly true, but not exactly lies either, but still, I find honesty best.

    There are certainly some areas where honesty is MUCH better. An example is writing informative product-reports about physical-products, to help someone make a better buying decision. Using information from real buyer-feedback, and actual facts, is much better than writing hyped-up nonsense, in this area, where the real facts are not difficult to verify (such as by looking at user-reviews on Amazon).

    Honesty is also much cheaper . . . good sales-copy can cost huge amounts, but plain honesty, in areas where it works (such as reports on physical-products), is vastly cheaper, and can often work better in practice.

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  • Profile picture of the author Cookej2
    I have to fully disagree with this post. Yes, there are unethical marketing going on out there but most of it is ethical and very helpful to the online world.

    Stay true to yourself and find others who are true to themselves as well and you will see success. I recommend tuning into Russell Brunson for guidance!
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  • Profile picture of the author Acornia
    Very good, @Chris- summed it up perfectly. It's very simple, all the tools, all the current marketing, it's based on Ponzi scheme mechanics. Go to LinkedIn, you used to be able to 'discuss' things, all groups are now 'middlemen' providing their wares. Ahrefs, Moz, it's designed for middlemen to provide services to other middlemen and any customers they can find who have any capital left.

    The problem, the customers are now wising up to the fact that the middlemen don't actually add much value in 'most' cases, but having a hard time filtering the good from the bad and ugly! However they also do not have any 'direct access' tools available to avoid them, a catch22. Anyone looking for tools to generate revenue are always guided to Ponzi mechanics as a rational revenue generating solution has three core problems.

    1. You actually have to get off your backside and produce something meaningful as technology can only automate up to 80-95%, the last part has to be done manually

    2. You do not get to keep 100% of the profits, you either have to pay for the 'middleman' avoiding tools which are expensive or the people who designed them want a cut of the action via revenue share

    3. As almost all of the posts these days are from the 'middlemen' on more or less any public forum, any solution not using the same 'middlemen', not providing relatively instant income (ponzi), and not providing 100% revenue retention (ponzi) will automatically be rubbished with the contempt normally reserved for effigies


    You can see this from new people coming in to public forums, they are now questioning the 'buy my service' as they are starting to understand the ponzi nature of it all. There are some very valuable middlemen, but they are usually diluted 100:1 by the 'others'. It's interesting to watch, however all ponzis end with a bang similar to two stars colliding, you just don't want to be in the middle of it!

    So, given the quantity and quality of the comments, looks like the ponzi is starting to implode! Will not respond as have the answer from the comments, look up a normal distribution, summary, detail, conclusion. In all cases summary and conclusion should match, and they do so thanks everyone for spending time commenting. A scheme based on ponzi mechanics never has the same conclusion as the summary. Happy days!
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