Is paypal worth using at all???

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I was tinkering with a few things:

1) selling direct with a paypal button. That requires the user to click about 3 times at least before they can just enter their credit card info. 1) on your site. 2) to choose either paypal or cc. Then another then maybe another before they can actually order. That's nuts.

2) Then I tried using JVzoo as I was thinking it might be good to get an affiliate program working. Well same thing, even worse. Like jvzoo's checkout page when linked via paypal is disgusting! It's totally disgusting, confusing and not all that realistic for a real business.

What I need is just then click some kind of buy button, and on the next screen they can enter their CC info and click "order". Just fast simple streamlined. Plus everyone including myself has had problems with paypal, so I'm just thinking I should find something else.

What do you suggest?
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  • Profile picture of the author PPG19
    Originally Posted by theoperator View Post


    What I need is just then click some kind of buy button, and on the next screen they can enter their CC info and click "order". Just fast simple streamlined. Plus everyone including myself has had problems with paypal, so I'm just thinking I should find something else.

    What do you suggest?
    I think either paypal and jvzoo both have a pretty easy and super fast checkout process but you could have a look at Stripe, (user clicks the buy button which opens a pop up with email, name and credit card information and a pay button at the bottom of the popup, user pays and is redirected to the Thank You page).
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    • Profile picture of the author theoperator
      Originally Posted by PPG19 View Post

      I think either paypal and jvzoo both have a pretty easy and super fast checkout process but you could have a look at Stripe, (user clicks the buy button which opens a pop up with email, name and credit card information and a pay button at the bottom of the popup, user pays and is redirected to the Thank You page).

      Ya there sort of on my short list. Any other really fast easy to sign up for streamlined processors??? Damn I forgot about this nightmare. crap.
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    • Profile picture of the author theoperator
      Originally Posted by PPG19 View Post

      I think either paypal and jvzoo both have a pretty easy and super fast checkout process but you could have a look at Stripe, (user clicks the buy button which opens a pop up with email, name and credit card information and a pay button at the bottom of the popup, user pays and is redirected to the Thank You page).
      paypal + jvzoo is a total joke. It's totally disgusting. They click the buy button on your page. Then on the next screen it's a dogs breakfast, no where for the customer to enter their CC info or checkout. Just jvzoo asking for the customer email so they can spam them. What a joke. It's nuts. What kind of operation are they running. Like I could set it up way better than that. On the next screen if the customer can't order, they're gone. And JVzoo doesn't know that? They're in that realm of doing "checkouts". They should know that. They're stupid!
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      • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
        Originally Posted by theoperator View Post

        paypal + jvzoo is a total joke. It's totally disgusting. They click the buy button on your page. Then on the next screen it's a dogs breakfast, no where for the customer to enter their CC info or checkout. Just jvzoo asking for the customer email so they can spam them. What a joke. It's nuts. What kind of operation are they running. Like I could set it up way better than that. On the next screen if the customer can't order, they're gone. And JVzoo doesn't know that? They're in that realm of doing "checkouts". They should know that. They're stupid!
        I don't know if you're just a troll or if you really are that stupid. I guess it doesn't matter.

        You don't want to use the most used, most trusted payment processor on the planet? I'm sure PP and JVZ are fine with that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve L
      Originally Posted by PPG19 View Post

      I think either paypal and jvzoo both have a pretty easy and super fast checkout process but you could have a look at Stripe, (user clicks the buy button which opens a pop up with email, name and credit card information and a pay button at the bottom of the popup, user pays and is redirected to the Thank You page).
      Stripe definitely has a superior user experience IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sven300
    Before deciding to pay, people do not just look at the number of clicks they have to do ...

    One important thing for consumers is security. They must have confidence in the payment processor to decide to buy.

    Paypal is well known and people trust it. Personally I have never had any problems with PayPal.
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    • Profile picture of the author gooroo
      Originally Posted by Sven300 View Post

      Before deciding to pay, people do not just look at the number of clicks they have to do ...

      One important thing for consumers is security. They must have confidence in the payment processor to decide to buy.

      Paypal is well known and people trust it. Personally I have never had any problems with PayPal.
      That.

      Also, you can set up express checkout which will allow people to enter their CC information directly on your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    You seems like a noob with no IM experience.
    As far as am concern, those payment methods/checkouts are simply straightforward and over simplified.

    Everything have a due process and it's not just about taking the customers money as fast as you can. They too aren't that dumb and are consciously buying things of desire.

    And if you are worried about the technical know how then note, this is the computer age.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheMechanic
    I think that you are looking for a credit card processor...something like 2checkout or authorize.net
    Although, I must say that I am using PayPal card processor on my woocommerce websites (woocommerce plugin for paypal) without any issues and customers are happy with them
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnVianny
    Use Stripe.

    Sometimes paypal even freeze accounts if they receive lot of money unexpected.

    Stripe is far better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    everyone including myself has had problems with paypal
    Simply not true - many of us have used Paypal for YEARS successfully.

    The idea that it's too much for a buyer to click three times is ludicrous. They click to choose to buy, to choose how to pay and to approve the payment.

    If a buyer is buying through JVZoo and using paypal to pay - they don't have to enter a bunch of numbers. The payment preferences are already in their paypal acct.
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    • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Simply not true - many of us have used Paypal for YEARS successfully.

      The idea that it's too much for a buyer to click three times is ludicrous. They click to choose to buy, to choose how to pay and to approve the payment.

      If a buyer is buying through JVZoo and using paypal to pay - they don't have to enter a bunch of numbers. The payment preferences are already in their paypal acct.
      I agree. I've processed over 10,000 vendor sales with PP & JVZoo and close to 9000 affiliate sales. Add to that another 10,000 affiliate sales with PP & Warrior Plus.

      The conclusion I can draw from that is that people have absolutely NO problem going through the payment process.
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  • Profile picture of the author krees
    I think PayPal is widely known and trusted. I would go through 5 clicks if I know it is a secure payment processor. I don't think people actually think about how many clicks it takes them to pay. If they want it, they will pay for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
    number of clicks is a factor but not as important as:

    perceived safety of the transaction

    and the desire for what you have..


    paypal works fine for me, never had any issues,,,, but i have heard some horror stories.

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  • @ theoperator ,

    Like many of my friends said here. PayPal is the best payment gateway available for startups. Its because they are best on what they do.

    They have much more simplified one step process also. Do check with them they will be able to assist on the same. But normally speaking number of clicks shouldn't be the concern at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anek Sartitos
    From experience, Paypal is really easy to use and have a user-friendly checkout process. I have it implemented on my website that sells subscriptions and never had problems with it so far. I haven't tried JVzoo though. But if Paypal does not work well with you, you can try Authorize.net. The customer can enter their CC info upon selection, thus decreasing number of clicks.
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  • Profile picture of the author kursat
    Paypal should be good enough for any medium sized online business. For personal use I prefer payoneer but for subscriptions paypal should be good and easy enough to set up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexis Gil
    I like to work with PayPal and the number of clicks is not a problem for me. More important is security. PayPal is well knowing and most of people believe it. I don't think you should change it only because of the clicks.
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  • Profile picture of the author PinkStar
    Like others have said, those 2 extra clicks probably doesn't matter since pretty much anyone online today knows and trust this company.

    But you could signup for a cardprocessor, and then have 2 links for your shoppers to choose from, and if they want to use their cc it's 1 click to the checkout page or go via paypal.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      This is just plain silly...

      Originally Posted by PinkStar View Post

      But you could signup for a cardprocessor, and then have 2 links for your shoppers to choose from, and if they want to use their cc it's 1 click to the checkout page or go via paypal.
      By using Paypal, you give the customer both the option of using their Paypal account OR using a credit card.

      Your visitors don't need more options... they need more simple.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    OMG... 3 whole clicks for checkout?

    I buy and sell on line day in and day out. When I buy even through Amazon, unless I activate the 1-click button (which I NEVER use) it takes 3 clicks/screens there too.

    I have 3 Paypal accounts. My oldest Paypal account is from 2001. I have processed a LOT of money through that account and one of my other ones. I have never been frozen. I was limited once due to a large influx of orders (launched a product). But I logged in, confirmed a few items Paypal asked and my limit was lifted immediately.

    We hear all kinds of Paypal horror stories, but the fact of the matter is Paypal is far from the only processor that freezes accounts when they see anything unusual. In most cases, the freezes are justified, whether the account holder admits it (or even knows the real reason they were frozen) or not.

    Paypal's protection measures are there to protect buyers first - THEN the sellers. They have to answer to any/all chargebacks (for example), so if as a vendor you're chargeback rate is high (as Paypal determines) then they will freeze your account. Same with too many refunds and/or disputes. As well as your response to refund requests and disputes. Many vendors who scream about Paypal freezing their account are USUALLY guilty of one of these things. Yes, there are exceptions...but not as many "innocent" vendors as you might think.

    As stated in other responses, Paypal is a recognized and trusted processor for MANY people. I typically will run BOTH Paypal and a credit card processor.

    JVZoo - they have how many customers? More than you? Probably. Another trusted format used by MANY people.

    Feel free to not use Paypal or JVZoo. I'm sure you won't hurt their feelings one bit
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  • I agree with Anek. Paypal is one of the most widely used payment processors with about 8 million transactions every day. As both seller and buyer, I do not mind spending a few clicks till orders are processed as long as I know security is in place at every gateway. Plus, Paypal's buyer protection is a complete bliss. It even reimburses payments in full to buyers that did not receive what they paid for.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by theoperator View Post

    I was tinkering with a few things:

    1) selling direct with a paypal button. That requires the user to click about 3 times at least before they can just enter their credit card info. 1) on your site. 2) to choose either paypal or cc. Then another then maybe another before they can actually order. That's nuts.
    You'v missed the whole point of Paypal


    Nearly 200 Million users

    Those people do not need to enter any Credit card info and in many cases they do not have to even fill out their address.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Leader
    I nearly always use paypal for online transactions as I feel its safe. I have at times not gone ahead with a purchase when paypal hasn't been and option.
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  • Profile picture of the author vic1
    For ease of payment processing using a brand that most everyone in the universe knows about, you can't beat PayPal.

    I've tested alternatives on and off for years because I like to have a back-up just in case and PayPal buttons out preform any other payment processor.
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    I still do not understand why people do not look into paypal payments pro with gateway. It acts just like any other payment processor and it is attached to your paypal account for easy accounting. you can find information about this in your dashboard or https://manager.paypal.com/

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  • Profile picture of the author Edwin Torres
    Paypal is awesome and has been used by marketers for years. It's the best solution. Of course use a solution like JVZoo or DealGuardian to make the checkout process look a little cleaner.
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  • Profile picture of the author fulfilledlife
    It is very much dependent on who your customers are. If it is an older European crowd than PayPal might now work for you that well and choosing and you will have no choice but to look for other payment processors like Stripe or BrainTree.

    Another thing to consider is the niche. If you in IM niche and have mostly younger crowd then PayPal might be the only thing you need.

    With that being said either way you look at it, you are always better off to have a PayPal processing as well the direct credit card payment.
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  • Profile picture of the author stevetickolo
    Paypal, so far so good. JVzoo, quick checkout, and yes, affiliate bonuses is a good deal. Have you looked into WePay yet? They have a simple checkout process without redirecting customers to a third-party site to process payments like Paypal does by sending customers to their website before payment is fulfilled. The downside is that WePay is only available to US and Canada buyers and sellers only. Not a good thing if you are an international merchant.
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  • Profile picture of the author William Waltham
    Have you tried looking into Dwolla? I checked it out once, when I was looking for PayPal alternatives. It wasn't for me, but it might be good for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author theoperator
    I think in reality once someone's mind is made up to buy, they're not gonna care about the CC processor that much. Ya it's a bit of an issue but it's not any make it or break it scenario.

    Here's my problem. Ya I'm with paypal, and I don't even know if my account is working. I tested it and it seems to be but I haven't had any activity. Meanwhile when I tested it through JV zoo on a new product (as I'm sort of just getting back into this whole IM thing after a long lay off) it came up with an error message saying "this account has been restricted."

    so I contact JVzoo. They told me it's my paypal account not working properly. So I contacted Paypal. They're impossible to get ahold of unless maybe you call in or something. So although I can link everything up I really don't even know if my paypal account is actually working.

    Then jvzoo came back giving me like a dozen things then wanted updated. I just HATE THAT! Like think about this, why does jvzoo need to take any active role in what you do. That's stupid. They're an affiliate hub. That's what they should focus on. Let me worry about the marketing. Same with paypal. Why don't they get back to CC processing and let us worry about our end. Instead both of them feel like they need to dictate all this crap to us. It's stupid. That's not their role. It shouldn't be anyway. Plus that's a dangerous road because Paypal you can change out but jvzoo, how are you gonna change that out once you got thousands of affiliates onboard and now lets say they want to kick you out the mall? You have no say, you're business would die.

    So you got jvzoo that you'd run the risk long term that something could go wrong, then you're screwed. Then their's paypal which is all around not trustworthy. They can't hold your business hostage but they can hold your money hostage. They did that too me before. Then did eventually release the funds but it took months of bugging them. It was just insane. After that and after reading what tons of other people have gone through I absolutely don't trust them at all. I think I'm just gonna bail on both of them. They both have too many issues. I'll build my own affiliate program that way I can't get robbed of it later.

    But I don't know that's my take.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattdicken
    Originally Posted by theoperator View Post

    I was tinkering with a few things:

    1) selling direct with a paypal button. That requires the user to click about 3 times at least before they can just enter their credit card info. 1) on your site. 2) to choose either paypal or cc. Then another then maybe another before they can actually order. That's nuts.

    2) Then I tried using JVzoo as I was thinking it might be good to get an affiliate program working. Well same thing, even worse. Like jvzoo's checkout page when linked via paypal is disgusting! It's totally disgusting, confusing and not all that realistic for a real business.

    What I need is just then click some kind of buy button, and on the next screen they can enter their CC info and click "order". Just fast simple streamlined. Plus everyone including myself has had problems with paypal, so I'm just thinking I should find something else.

    What do you suggest?
    According to me ,Paypal is good and easy to use .You can direct register through their site and easily go through your account.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jojodio99
    I understand what you're saying, PayPal is definitely a process for the buyer, but most ppl are used to going through that process.
    Having an order form that the customer fills out with their cc info is just as tedious, plus many ppl might not believe your sales page is secured and protecting their data. I would suggest you review your sales pages, as it sounds like you're blaming PayPal buttons for lack of conversions, I could be mistaken but that's what I think.
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  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    I like Paypal a lot; have been using it for many years to both buy & sell. From a buyers' standpoint I only will buy using Paypal because I trust them, like amazon. I personally would never enter my cc into an unknown vendors' merchant account.

    I still get newb qs from customers tho re 'how do I order - I don't have a paypal acct" though it clearly shows they take visa/mc -- any suggestions?

    -k
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  • Profile picture of the author Cesar Sampaio
    Funny because I never had any trouble using Paypal directly or thru a e-shop both as a buyer or as a seller.

    I'm always given the option to pay through my account or by CC when I buy and the payment screen doesn't seem to affect my sales AKA people giving up after clicking the BIN button.

    The best way to find something that pleases you is trying several alternatives and seeing how they affect your stats.

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  • Profile picture of the author Nadya5
    Practically everyone in the industry uses PayPal. No need to use smth different.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sven300
      Originally Posted by Nadya5 View Post

      Practically everyone in the industry uses PayPal. No need to use smth different.

      Some people love to overcomplicate things.

      Their motto seems to be: "Why do things easily when it is possible to make them the complicated way?"
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  • Profile picture of the author Sev Dev
    It is when you are dealing with square people. But when you get these idiots they can make your life hell unless you can win the dispute against them.
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  • Profile picture of the author lindseysan494
    Paypal is worth it, in my experience at least, since they are a recognized name and most people either have an account already, or will be willing to enter their CC info on their page.

    It's not so much about the number of clicks it takes, if the customer really wants to buy a product they're going to do it, Paypal's fees aren't that bad compared to your other payment gateway options either.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tokama2542
    If given a chance to create an account that offers a better service than paypal, I'd surely take it. But for now, I have no choice but to deal with them... Been using them for 6 years now and their service really not good...
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  • Profile picture of the author dawoodkhan97
    No matter what differences we have with Paypal
    No matter how much we complain about it
    or talk about alternatives all day
    In the end you have to use Paypal!
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    Originally Posted by theoperator View Post

    2) Then I tried using JVzoo as I was thinking it might be good to get an affiliate program working. Well same thing, even worse. Like jvzoo's checkout page when linked via paypal is disgusting! It's totally disgusting, confusing and not all that realistic for a real business.
    Yep JVZoo's check out page is not at all realistic for a real business. Because the $100,000,000 or so ($100 million) that sellers generate with those check out pages sure is not enough to be considered a (real business)

    My suggestion critique less and learn from those who know.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Paypal has worked fine for me. But I didn't sell a bunch through buttons. I just use it to accept payments from clients, mostly. Definitely think it's worth it though

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  • Profile picture of the author JohnVianny
    Use STRIPE

    Sometimes Paypal freeze the accounts...with money in it.
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  • Profile picture of the author TeaCozy
    anyone that pays me via Paypal doesn't seem to have any issues, or they never inform me of any in any case.

    I would say if you don't have your payment gateway set up this would be the best option. It is really easy to use and they do have a great system for any issues or complaints.

    If you are looking for a good payment gateway I use EWay (in Australia) and the fees are really good.

    I am sure there are plenty of suitable systems based on which country you are based in.
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  • Profile picture of the author katarina1
    Once they decide to buy,page extra will not change there mind.I wouldn't use paypal because they freez your account and you lose money.If you want simple solution,buy your own payment processor.Try google checkout.
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