Why is everyone's niche site on MMO marketing?

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Just browsing through and clicking on everyones site links and I was curious, why are they all on "improving your internet marketing"?

Is it:

A - People who get into IM to make money online learn so much about this niche that they naturally ebb towards it as an authority content or niche site? If that's the case then there are probably a lot of non-MMO niche's to be exploited by savvy marketers.

B - This particular form is a hub for people that are passionate about MMO so those that link their sites are hoping to capture this traffic and those that have non-MMO sites don't bother linking them.

C - MMO is far and away the most lucrative niche to exploit as everyone and his dog wants to MMO.

Any insight?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    This is an Internet marketing forum. Isn't it natural and expected that most of the links you see here are from people selling Internet marketing products and services?

    Go to any non IM forum and see what type of links you predominantly find. If you're in the dog training niche your going to see mostly links to dog training products, guidance, and services. It should be expected. It's a natural thing because that's where dog training vendors and clients hang out.

    There is another thing you aren't taking into consideration.

    Years ago, I put a link to one of my non-MMO sites in this forum as an example of some things that had been successful for me. It wasn't a week later that I found at least two Warriors (there could have been more) who went to my site, ripped off all my copy and images, stole some of my ideas, and even copied, word-for-word, my sales page, terms & conditions, blog posts, nearly everything I had worked so hard to create.

    I will never do that again (divulge my non-marketing sites).

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    • Profile picture of the author freshblogger
      Well..no..

      Of course everyone here is an internet marketer or wanting to be an internet marketer but I would have assumed they use that passion and those skills to market every topic under the sun.

      What you're saying is equivalent to a forum for lawyers that specialize in offering law services to lawyers in trouble.

      Also why so paranoid about sharing your ideas - are "rip offs" all that common? If someone is so inclined to rip off ideas (I'm not sure why they would be as copying sites doesn't get you far) why wouldn't they just google search their niche of choice and rip it off from the top searches in google.

      Seems silly they would go to a forum with the goal of ripping off some obscure site.




      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      This is an Internet marketing forum. Isn't it natural and expected that most of the links you see here are from people selling Internet marketing products and services?

      Go to any non IM forum and see what type of links you predominantly find. If you're in the dog training niche your going to see mostly links to dog training products, guidance, and services. It should be expected. It's a natural thing because that's where dog training vendors and clients hang out.

      There is another thing you aren't taking into consideration.

      Years ago, I put a link to one of my non-MMO sites in this forum as an example of some things that had been successful for me. It wasn't a week later that I found at least two Warriors (there could have been more) who went to my site, ripped off all my copy and images, stole some of my ideas, and even copied, word-for-word, my sales page, terms & conditions, blog posts, nearly everything I had worked so hard to create.

      I will never do that again (divulge my non-marketing sites).

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
        Originally Posted by freshblogger View Post

        Well..no..

        Also why so paranoid about sharing your ideas - are "rip offs" all that common? If someone is so inclined to rip off ideas (I'm not sure why they would be as copying sites doesn't get you far) why wouldn't they just google search their niche of choice and rip it off from the top searches in google.

        Seems silly they would go to a forum with the goal of ripping off some obscure site.
        My opinion is that some guy posting a link to his website probably would NOT get ripped off by itself.

        The trouble comes when you list your goldfish site AND talk about how visitor engagement is up 47% due to this technique or how you made $3,000 with another secret way or give other helpful advice.

        Then you have a niche site. You have "proof" it works. You have a good model (believe it or not many people here still believe that if it's on the Internet it should be free so they copy and paste without fear or regret).

        That's when the sites get copied. Every time Steve tells his story he says he was trying to help people out by showing them something that worked for him - not just a random link.

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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        Originally Posted by freshblogger View Post

        I would have assumed they use that passion and those skills to market every topic under the sun.

        And just how would marketing your bird watching products on an Internet marketing forum be a smart "targeted audience" strategy?



        Originally Posted by freshblogger View Post

        Also why so paranoid about sharing your ideas - are "rip offs" all that common?
        It's happened to a number of members that have posted about the problem, including some in this thread. Wait until it happens to you and you'll understand a little better.



        Originally Posted by freshblogger View Post

        If someone is so inclined to rip off ideas (I'm not sure why they would be as copying sites doesn't get you far) why wouldn't they just google search their niche of choice and rip it off from the top searches in google.
        People who steal online don't do market research to track down the top sites in Google searches. They randomly see things they want in their surfing and they copy them for their own use.



        Originally Posted by freshblogger View Post

        Seems silly they would go to a forum with the goal of ripping off some obscure site.
        I doubt if anyone here comes with the goal of stealing. That's really not the point I was trying to make which you don't seem to understand.

        You asked why you don't see any non-MMO links here and I merely stated that one of the reasons I don't post mine is because I don't want to be copied again. What's so hard to understand about that? Why question that this stealing happens? I'm not proud to say I let it happen to me - I'm just relating that I've learned my lesson. That's all I'm saying about it. I will try to remember not to post on your threads anymore.

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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      This is an Internet marketing forum. Isn't it natural and expected that most of the links you see here are from people selling Internet marketing products and services?

      Go to any non IM forum and see what type of links you predominantly find. If you're in the dog training niche your going to see mostly links to dog training products, guidance, and services. It should be expected. It's a natural thing because that's where dog training vendors and clients hang out.

      There is another thing you aren't taking into consideration.

      Years ago, I put a link to one of my non-MMO sites in this forum as an example of some things that had been successful for me. It wasn't a week later that I found at least two Warriors (there could have been more) who went to my site, ripped off all my copy and images, stole some of my ideas, and even copied, word-for-word, my sales page, terms & conditions, blog posts, nearly everything I had worked so hard to create.

      I will never do that again (divulge my non-marketing sites).

      Steve

      Yeah Steve, had something similar happen to me years ago with a Non- MMO Niche. I posted link here to get some Opinions on Website. And lo and behold some deplorable/s decided to be cute and clicked on Adsense incessantly to get me Smart Priced by GOOG !!


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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    those that have non-MMO sites don't bother linking them
    Exactly.

    New members join here to "learn to make money online" - and other members with sites and products in the MMO niche are happy to advertise and sell to those new members.

    Links here are no-follow - which some may not know.
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    • Profile picture of the author freshblogger
      This seems pretty reasonable - thanks!




      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Exactly.

      New members join here to "learn to make money online" - and other members with sites and products in the MMO niche are happy to advertise and sell to those new members.

      Links here are no-follow - which some may not know.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Why is everyone's niche site on MMO marketing?
    It's not.

    You just don't get out much.
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    • Profile picture of the author freshblogger
      It is actually - on this site - every single profile website I have clicked on is an internet marketing hub.



      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      It's not.

      You just don't get out much.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by freshblogger View Post

        It is actually - on this site - every single profile website I have clicked on is an internet marketing hub.
        True most profiles here act like IM is all that exist but If you go out onto the web very few actually target IMers.
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        • Profile picture of the author freshblogger
          Yeah dude - that's what I was referring to - the profiles on this forum - read my post a little closer next time...


          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          True most profiles here act like IM is all that exist but If you go out onto the web very few actually target IMers.
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          • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
            Originally Posted by freshblogger View Post

            Yeah dude - that's what I was referring to - the profiles on this forum - read my post a little closer next time...
            Dude have some respect to anyone who posts on the site thread , there is a saying your

            Attitude will give you Altitude...
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            • Profile picture of the author freshblogger
              Haha for sure - and I was being respectful - but you'll notice he threw some attitude my way first ;-)


              Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

              Dude have some respect to anyone who posts on the site thread , there is a saying your

              Attitude will give you Altitude...
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by freshblogger View Post

        It is actually - on this site - every single profile website I have clicked on is an internet marketing hub.
        I am not accusing anyone but don't let the responses shift your language from the point you were making which is solid

        An internet marketing board does NOT have to be all about MMO to the extent this one is.


        What you're saying is equivalent to a forum for lawyers that specialize in offering law services to lawyers in trouble.
        Precisely and brilliant analogy. Welcome to WF and keep posting.

        oh and the answer is B & C

        and D - Its easy to sell MMO. Its like selling a new chocolate bar that promise to make you lose weight - You know enough people are going to snap those puppies up whether it works or not.
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        • Profile picture of the author freshblogger
          Thanks Mike,

          I do feel like whenever I do research online the industry (digital/internet/web marketing) is heavy on MMO sites. I get that they are easy to sell but it does have an element of spammy to me - also so many people doing the same thing you would think approaching totally different niches would be the way to go from an ROI angle (less competition)








          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          I am not accusing anyone but don't let the responses shift your language from the point you were making which is solid

          An internet marketing board does NOT have to be all about MMO to the extent this one is.




          Precisely and brilliant analogy. Welcome to WF and keep posting.

          oh and the answer is B & C

          and D - Its easy to sell MMO. Its like selling a new chocolate bar that promise to make you lose weight - You know enough people are going to snap those puppies up whether it works or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    It's pretty simple really.

    If I had a website selling fish aquariums, why in the world would I link to it from my profile here?

    It is a very untargeted market. The link provides zero SEO value. There is just no benefit to it.

    And if I am making money with my fish aquarium site, I would be an absolute moron to drop a link in my forum profile here. That is just asking for more competition. There are marketers here that are much better than I. Why the hell would I give them a proven, money-making idea that might just hurt me in the long run because they enter into it and take some of my traffic?

    People who link to non-IM related websites from this forum are making a huge mistake.

    I thank them though. I have taken some great niche ideas from them.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      If I had a website selling fish aquariums, why in the world would I link to it from my profile here?

      Exactly and a lot of folks here don't get it.

      Post links here, mention profit and you'll have 87 new competition in a week stealing your content.

      No thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author kilgore
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      If I had a website selling fish aquariums, why in the world would I link to it from my profile here?

      It is a very untargeted market. The link provides zero SEO value. There is just no benefit to it.
      Exactly.

      Since I don't do anything with MMO why would I bother putting a link to my website here? Y'all are hardly my target customer and the while downsides of putting a link to my site here are small, they are real.

      To be honest, I'm not really that concerned that anyone here is going to try to copy my business. Several websites have already tried to copy our model and failed, and we're already pretty established as the niche leader. Execution is much, much harder than coming up with an idea.

      But while I'm not all that concerned with people here stealing my business ideas, I'm actually not all that keen on my site's customers knowing about my activities here. It's not that I ever say anything bad, but when talking to different audiences you use different language, say different things.

      For instance, I'd never refer to my customers as "customers" on my website. We generally try to use language like "community", "followers", "readers", or "supporters" -- which convey a much different feeling than the colder, more transactional term "customer". But this is a business-oriented forum, so I use the word "customer". And the truth is that we think of our customers as all of those things, followers, readers, supports, community and customers.

      Similarly, my customers don't need to know about my marketing techniques or the ins and outs of our business practices -- not because we're doing anything shady, but again because it distracts from the emotions were trying to convey with our branding and marketing efforts. It's not that our customers couldn't figure out pretty easily the broad points of our business model, but why would I want them to focus on the marketing techniques when what I really want them to focus on is the marketing message?

      Finally, having already been a target of a frivolous -- though lengthy, annoying and expensive -- lawsuit, I just think it's best practice to have as little information about my business public as possible. While MMO sellers love to post about their -- real or imagined -- gigantic incomes, fancy homes and luxury cars, the truth is that being successful can make you a target to trolls trying to game the legal system. Moreover, anything you write about your business is just more ammunition for those trolls. Even if the risk is small, why take it?

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      • Profile picture of the author freshblogger
        Best answer yet thank you!


        Originally Posted by kilgore View Post

        Exactly.

        Since I don't do anything with MMO why would I bother putting a link to my website here? Y'all are hardly my target customer and the while downsides of putting a link to my site here are small, they are real.

        To be honest, I'm not really that concerned that anyone here is going to try to copy my business. Several websites have already tried to copy our model and failed, and we're already pretty established as the niche leader. Execution is much, much harder than coming up with an idea.

        But while I'm not all that concerned with people here stealing my business ideas, I'm actually not all that keen on my site's customers knowing about my activities here. It's not that I ever say anything bad, but when talking to different audiences you use different language, say different things.

        For instance, I'd never refer to my customers as "customers" on my website. We generally try to use language like "community", "followers", "readers", or "supporters" -- which convey a much different feeling than the colder, more transactional term "customer". But this is a business-oriented forum, so I use the word "customer". And the truth is that we think of our customers as all of those things, followers, readers, supports, community and customers.

        Similarly, my customers don't need to know about my marketing techniques or the ins and outs of our business practices -- not because we're doing anything shady, but again because it distracts from the emotions were trying to convey with our branding and marketing efforts. It's not that our customers couldn't figure out pretty easily the broad points of our business model, but why would I want them to focus on the marketing techniques when what I really want them to focus on is the marketing message?

        Finally, having already been a target of a frivolous -- though lengthy, annoying and expensive -- lawsuit, I just think it's best practice to have as little information about my business public as possible. While MMO sellers love to post about their -- real or imagined -- gigantic incomes, fancy homes and luxury cars, the truth is that being successful can make you a target to trolls trying to game the legal system. Moreover, anything you write about your business is just more ammunition for those trolls. Even if the risk is small, why take it?

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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    If you go to any of the golf forums that I am a member of you might find that my listed site is a golf ecommerce site. I wonder if anyone on those forums are curious as to why I am not listing a MMO site in my profile and signature

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      If you go to any of the golf forums that I am a member of you might find that my listed site is a golf ecommerce site. I wonder if anyone on those forums are curious as to why I am not listing a MMO site in my profile and signature

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      No but visitors to that site sure would be curious why most of the board is about teaching people how to instruct others on how to play golf rather than a reasonable mix of those playing the game and those instructing on how to instruct .
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  • Profile picture of the author allancaeg
    Broadly speaking, people want to:
    • pursue their passions
    • be wise
    • hone their abilities
    • pay for the bills

    For people who are more interested in their passions, they tend to be in forums that are much more concerned about their art than making money.

    For people who want to be wise, they hang out elsewhere where they can, for example, discuss philosophy.

    People in an internet marketing forum exercise their interest in paying for the bills, while also honing their (IM) abilities.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Nathan
    IMO, it's the market most flooded with people wanting to spend money. What is the first thing you do when you want to build an online business? You need to gain the knowledge of how to actually do it.

    Yes, you can apply that knowledge to other niche's (like selling fish aquariums), but most people I'd say, are drawn to this niche because they themselves actually had to start off learning from it.

    So I would say, It's a healthy amount of all three. A, B, and C.
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      Originally Posted by IM Nathan View Post

      IMO, it's the market most flooded with people wanting to spend money.

      Are we on the same forum?




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      • Profile picture of the author IM Nathan
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Are we on the same forum?
        Sorry, I was referring to people on this forum. Nice vid though!
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  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
    an IM forum attracts internet marketers talking about their trade, with links to their resources.

    makes sense, how else would it play out?

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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    I will try to remember not to post on your threads anymore.
    That would be a total waste of time, as they already know everything.

    I've linked to non-MMO sites for testing purposes. I don't link to non-MMO sites anymore. I make the majority of my money outside MMO.

    C - MMO is far and away the most lucrative niche to exploit as everyone and his dog wants to MMO.
    This is a good indicator of your knowledge of the subject.
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    • Profile picture of the author freshblogger
      Hi Brent,

      Your first point was helpful - it's good to know some people make most of their money outside MMO.

      Why did you have to insult me at the end though - obviously I'm a newbie and have a lot to learn but you don't have to be rude and sarcastic. I'm just trying to get some information and excited about this new life path. It upsets me when people are a bit rude and dismissive.

      You could have said something like, "actually, not everyone and his dog want to make money online, I've found through my research that it's only the X most popular niche out there, although I can see how you might feel that way as you hear alot about it on the forums"

      You didn't have to get snide and superior.




      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      That would be a total waste of time, as they already know everything.

      I've linked to non-MMO sites for testing purposes. I don't link to non-MMO sites anymore. I make the majority of my money outside MMO.



      This is a good indicator of your knowledge of the subject.
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      • Profile picture of the author IM Nathan
        Originally Posted by freshblogger View Post

        You didn't have to get snide and superior.
        You'll see that quite a bit on here. Don't get disheartened!
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        • Profile picture of the author freshblogger
          Haha thanks Nathan!

          Full disclaimer - I am VERY new to this. So I totally understand that a ton of what I'm saying might sound silly or stupid or wrong but I really believe to learn you can't be afraid of asking silly questions (which is exactly what I'm trying to do). Some posters are right! I really don't know much about the industry - thus all my questions and curiosity. Apologies if my wording comes off as confrontational in any way to those that got a bit rude with me - it isn't meant to be.

          That being said 90% of the replies to this were awesome and I'm finding the forum, in general, to be very accepting and knowledgeable and am certainly thankful for that (especially as a newbie) I'm a former runner and post over at LetsRun.com: The Home of Distance Running and Track and Field as well which is a far more confrontational forum (who would have thought from a bunch of runners)

          Anyway thanks again for all the (90%) positive replies and advice. It's helped clear things up a lot and I'm excited to keep going!





          Originally Posted by IM Nathan View Post

          You'll see that quite a bit on here. Don't get disheartened!
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  • Profile picture of the author Shawn Arms
    I don't sell internet marketing. I'm also apparently an authority on making your own anime online. LOL.
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