How many figures does it take for you to pass out?

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Have a very special client. I like to call him the Sheikh. He does not mind. In return, he says that I am a Petrol Writer. This client is generous when it comes to pricing and payments. I have never been greedy. Just like Tom Cruise used to say in the Oblivion: We are an effective team! This gentleman is born and raised in Kuwait. He earned his degree in some prestigious London business school. Yet, when it comes to the business culture, he obviously follows the region of his origin. We do not discuss the price. We do not negotiate. Never. He orders the work. I deliver. Then, he asks how much needs to be paid. I get my money. That is it. Smooth and simple. For what is worth, so far, we have worked only on relatively small projects. Until recently.

This was a client only to wish for. Guess, it is not only in my nature, but I was not quite satisfied. I wished we could do some more work. And, you know what happens when you wish for something. It happens to you, but not exactly the way you wanted to get it. So, one fine day, the Sheikh approached me with an unusual proposal. Like I passed all the test, and the time has come for the real thing. What he had on his mind was a book about his personal and professional journey, somewhere around 200 to 300 pages. A brand new website. We are talking about a few dozen pages at least. Then, there was a package of 30 blogs, give it or take. He also needed some scripts for promotion videos, but he was not quite sure how many of them.

The numbers were flying around my head. When a 4 figures client comes my way, I call it the whale. So, this time the heard of whales headed my freelance way. Even with the wildest discount policy I can possibly imagine and offer, there would be more than enough work and money to keep me both occupied and satisfied for the next couple of months. This is always a good news for any freelancer. You work. You know you will get paid. You do not have to run around looking for new projects. It is an ideal situation.

Honestly, I was a little bit concerned. So, I asked what were his budget expectations. As you might have expected there is no such a word as the limit in his business vocabulary. I thought that this situation just could not possibly become any more surreal. Then, it happened right out of the blue.

How much you want to work only for me? At first, I did not realize what he asked me. I replied that I treat him as my VIP client, which was true. He has always been given priority regarding my other clients and project. Obviously that was not enough. I want you to work only for me. I was still confused. It was the time for him to do some explaining. Imagine that you run a production factory. I want to buy your entire production line for the whole year, or two, or five. How much do you want?

I always keep a precise record of all of my projects and submitted work. I know how much I can earn per year, usually, under the normal circumstances. Just like in any other business. One year is great, then the other one to follow is not so great, and so on. He proved his reputation of being a flawless businessman. He encouraged me to name my price with no hesitation. He also asked from me to decide how I want to be paid? At the beginning, or at the end, in the middle, of a month or a year, or periodically? It was all the same to him.

I was still shaking. I he was to ask me this question five or then years ago, I would say yes in a blink of an eye. But, after all of my corporate 9-to-5 nightmares were finally over, I was still hesitating. So, I said no. No. And, the worst thing about it is that I still do not know why I said that. Maybe because of some foolish ideal of freedom that does not even exist in the first place. Am I going to regret it at some point in time? I am not sure. What would you do, if you were to find yourself in my position? Five years of the stressful and insecure freelance life. Maybe I could have matched his offer. Maybe I could have earned more or less. I will never know. I did not sell my writing production line.

When the drought hits me hard every now and then, and there is no job to be found, I remember what I said and did. Yet, I made a promise to myself the last time I got fired that no man nor company will ever determine my fate and life. Maybe the Sheikh was offended. I was not sure. He would not tell. And, I could not read him. We were back to our old volume of work. The promising heard of whales and who knows what more obviously ended is some other freelancer's hands. Would the fate reward or punish me for my bravery or foolishness? This is something I would like to know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Some times the saying is true -

    Less is more.
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Some times the saying is true -

      Less is more.
      True, true =)
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    It's obvious to me that you haven't established and aren't working toward specific career goals. You're questioning where you're headed and how you're going to get there.

    When you have a set of goals and destinations in mind, it's easy to accept or not accept work changes and new projects. You simply measure them against where you're headed and see if they contribute or detract from your strategies to meet your goals.

    Personally, I would have named a price that was beyond my best estimate of what I could do freelancing without the Sheikh if I worked very hard on my own. Then I would do the same thing next year with an increase coming to me. As long as he likes what you're doing and you are making more than you could on your own without him, I would feel like I was doing the best that I could. If he doesn't like the numbers, then work your tail off to reach those levels on your own.

    When you have personal goals and you decide on your own what your salary is going to be, what your work is going to be, etc, you don't need to feel that someone else is controlling you. You are still in control of your life and fate because as soon as he makes demands that don't fit into your career goals, you go back to freelancing.

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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      It's obvious to me that you haven't established and aren't working toward specific career goals. You're questioning where you're headed and how you're going to get there.

      When you have a set of goals and destinations in mind, it's easy to accept or not accept work changes and new projects. You simply measure them against where you're headed and see if they contribute or detract from your strategies to meet your goals.

      Personally, I would have named a price that was beyond my best estimate of what I could do freelancing without the Sheikh if I worked very hard on my own. Then I would do the same thing next year with an increase coming to me. As long as he likes what you're doing and you are making more than you could on your own without him, I would feel like I was doing the best that I could. If he doesn't like the numbers, then work your tail off to reach those levels on your own.

      When you have personal goals and you decide on your own what your salary is going to be, what your work is going to be, etc, you don't need to feel that someone else is controlling you. You are still in control of your life and fate because as soon as he makes demands that don't fit into your career goals, you go back to freelancing.

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      A joke about a guy who's drowning. Help me God. Help me God. So a boat passes him three times. He is like, God will save me, each time. Eventually, he ends up in the Heaven. He asks, what went wrong? The answer was, I sent you a boat three times. Too blind to see, I guess, lol. Thx.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Am I going to regret it at some point in time? I am not sure. What would you do, if you were to find yourself in my position?
    If the story is true - yes, you'll regret it. I've worked exclusively for a couple clients (2 at one time) -and made more money than at any other time as a freelancer.

    I don't know what the point is of this thread. You have complained in other threads about freelancing and about not getting work that pays well...and about not having enough work.

    You wanted more work - and then turned it down....you wanted more security and turned it down...you wanted more money and turned it down.

    What is it you DO want?
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      What is it you DO want?
      Attention.
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        Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

        Attention.
        Just remember of this one. Hope you approve.

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        Nickelback - Rock star, I wanna be a rock star, lol

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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Blame it on Elton John "I want love:"

      "I want love on my own terms,
      After everything I've ever learned,
      Me, I carry too much baggage,
      Oh man I've seen so much traffic"
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  • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
    I'm guessing this post was created to test your fiction writing skills.

    You would be a fool to pass up an opportunity like that if you were a free lancer.

    I get it... some people want to stick it to the man. "I can't be bought", "I make my own destiny", "Nobody will control me", yada yada yada...

    That's all find and dandy, but what those people don't understand is opportunities like this don't come knocking everyday. You had the chance to work with only 1 client, cover all your financial problems and get paid more than you ever hoped for.

    You turned it down because of some high horse mentality that you're somehow better than that...

    What you should of done is accept the job, worked on whatever the guy wanted you to work on. And with all the extra free time you would have on your hands you could focus on investing some of that money into something else or even towards hiring someone to continue your other freelance jobs on the side. You could of done anything to grow while working with that one client.

    Opportunity knocked on your door and you were too egotistical to answer it. You will probably regret your decision one day... if this story is even real...
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      99% is true. Changed a thing or two to protect my client's privacy. That's all. This story was definitely not an attention graber.

      Joanna Wiebe wrote the legendary How to be a Diva freelance copywriter article. Maybe I need to read it again.
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Lol, appreciated.

      I didn't come here to look for a job, rather to find some consolation for my freelance troubles.

      Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I would LOVE a client like that IF we could make an arrangement suitable to both him and myself. I have a few regulars who I would never give up as they're my bread and butter.
    I have knocked back clients and I have fired several, sticking to my guns in one case when the client said he would pay double.

    The bottom line is that you need to make your own decisions. Nobody in here knows your situation and can hold your hand so I honestly don't see the point of your thread except, as others have mentioned, to get some extra attention.
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    • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      I have a few regulars who I would never give up as they're my bread and butter.
      Me too! I love my regulars. They bring me a consistent income every month and we've been together long enough we each know what the expectations are.
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    Slap $10,000,000,000 in my face and then ill make the guy next to me pass out haha
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  • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
    Like everyone else is saying, you gotta decide what you want. If you're serious about being a freelancer, then don't turn down a potentially great paying client. If you're not serious, then it's time to consider a more traditional job.

    Here's the thing about freelance writing that I've learned over the years: you really have to want it. When you have more work than you can handle, you need to still be marketing yourself because eventually that work starts to dry up. This also means you can't turn down good opportunities.

    Think carefully about what you really want to do.
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Originally Posted by BradVert2013 View Post

      When you have more work than you can handle, you need to still be marketing yourself because eventually that work starts to dry up.
      I thought that was kind of a sign to go "corporate" in a way. Like I will find some other freelancers to share my work with. I don't like to say "work for me" and definitely "outsourcing" is unacceptable. If you can't manage people, then it's better to pass it. Heard some nightmare stories in freelance community about the guys who ruined their reputation this way or lost a lot of money. Because you guarantee for your work, no matter who does it actually. Thx. Nice points.
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  • Profile picture of the author boblyle
    As a successful business owner in the offline world, I prefer not to put all my eggs into one basket. I have tried this a few times in the past and have run into issues.
    Maybe suggesting to him that you have other clients who also rely on you and you couldn't possibly leave them searching for a new writer, might earn you more respect than a simple "No"
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Originally Posted by boblyle View Post

      As a successful business owner in the offline world, I prefer not to put all my eggs into one basket. I have tried this a few times in the past and have run into issues.
      Maybe suggesting to him that you have other clients who also rely on you and you couldn't possibly leave them searching for a new writer, might earn you more respect than a simple "No"
      Excellent point. Heard that people from that region, just like the clients from all over the world appreciate the loyalty and some principles in business. He might think, if my writer is so loyal to his clients, then he will treat and protect me the say way. So, this "no" actually says a lot about me. Appreciated!!
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  • Profile picture of the author AussieCoz
    Is you're question whether you should dedicate yourself to one client? or is it that you don't know how to quote for your services. I am a little confused.

    If it was should you work solely for one client I would say no, I don't think you would be in this work to just dedicate yourself to one person. Personally, that is why I got out of my old 9 to 5 job. I hate the idea of being someone's worker.

    Secondly, you should break down each item and quote accordingly. If you think of the client as a whale that's a little weird. They need a service that you're offering and if you break it down it's not a massive job.

    My 3rd question, do you have any experience writing a book? It is a little different to writing blogs and 300 pages of writing for an autobiography does require a certain skill set.

    I'm pleased for you that you have this dilemma however I am a little confused what the point is in your thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Originally Posted by AussieCoz View Post

      I hate the idea of being someone's worker. Secondly, you should break down each item and quote accordingly. My 3rd question, do you have any experience writing a book? It is a little different to writing blogs and 300 pages of writing for an autobiography does require a certain skill set.
      1) Maybe it's a little bit hard or strange for some warriors to understand, but I'm not going back to the 9-5 zone, regardless of the form or money offered. Freedom no matter how small of symbolic it may be is my priority and it's not negotiable.
      2) That's not a problem. This is something I usually do. My work and prices are fully transparent. I always explain what I wanna do, how, and how much money I expect in return.
      3) No, I had this naive idea that writing a book is just like connecting a couple of stories with the same characters around. OK, the client's expectations in this case were let's say symbolic. He wanted a book about himself to feel good about himself, I guess, rather than to make money out of it. So, that wasn't the main problem.

      Thank you for your points. This is a true story, just as it is true that I'm not sure whether or not I made the right decision. The last thing I need is for some bad decision to haunt me for a long time. Maybe this is the case.

      Appreciated,
      N
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