You can't give $1 to get $100, or can you?

Srl I agree with you! Just something to give something you can get in return. This rule works in 100% investment. The rest is the exception to the rule

Some people can really get $100 even with $0 spend. I did that. I even made $500 with $0 to spend once time. We can invest in time and effort if we don't have money. And a fortune is always a great back up as well!

Certainly, if someone needs to make $100K, there'll be very hard to start it with $100 as it's less than 1%, compare to $1 investment to get $100.

I mean to say that it's possible but very rare to happen. That's all.

I think the reason is that investment makes some people uncomfortable. With your $600 phone, you physically have something with immediate value in your hand. It is the immediate perceived value. With investment you put it into something and there is a chance you will not get any value at all from that investment. It is a rewiring of the brain that must be done to accept this.

I personally had investment problems. My last few investments all have met with great success. I turned a 600 camera, a 400 dollar computer, a 200 light system and a 50 dollar a month program into a 60K a year business.
My stock did pretty good too and I sold it at a good rate.

But before that I had met a failure almost 7 years ago. I was going to do animation and a series but invested in the wrong thing first. I invested in MOCAP and was going to use my MOCAP system to barter services since many 3d modelers were interested in MOCAP services. Sadly it did not work out. All the modelers fell through and I was left with 10K in debt. I should have spent the money on digital assets.

Now I'm saving up to get those digital assets I need. I've learned a lot in 8 years and have a clearer direction. But I learned through loss but that loss cost me not only time but money. I could have been in that 1Mil range by now if not for that mistake on investment.

I think that is what drives some fear. You putting it in the wrong investment. So then people play it safe and go about their normal day to day life. Buy that phone, buy that TV, etc. It is tangible though temporary. Investment is not tangible at first and scares the crap out of folks losing it.

Investing in your own site/domain is always a great starting point.

Investing your time to promote it can pay off too.

Yes, you can with PPC and mailing lists

Of course, it doesn't happen overnight and is BACKLOADED

A lot of hypsters would tell you its FRONTLOADED. Don't get CHUMPED.

Still, it can average out to you paying $1 for every $100 in income.

That is so true! Why do people not think twice about paying for $200 pants and $500+ phones, bags, and shoes but when it comes to investing in a business they think it is too high? Instant gratification? More value placed on status symbol items than on building a business.

You need to invest in your business to be succesful, and if you hire virtual workers pay them well if they are giving you results. Free traffic doesnt exist, it costs time that is more expensive than money.

What is your point?

Hey good thread!


For one of my sites I invested $1000 in traffic and this was the smartest decision ever.


This was when I first launched it and it created a great buzz and traffic from SEO etc has increased ever since!

This is why copywriters should start their own online businesses/e-commerce and use their talents to grow their own sales because a few business owners know how to value their work.

A great tip for sure. Many people who read this will come out better than before in regards to their online abilities. Many times you can get bogged down with all of the offers, lack of trust, miseducation, etc that we tend to forget that just like any type of business, we have to put in the time, effort, and gain knowledge that will catapult whatever business your in to the next level.

Making $100 with a $1 investment consistently is VERY POSSIBLE believe me. Haha! I won't tell you what I sell, but what I will tell you is that it's all in the WAY that this product is sold. For example, I went to comic con and paid around $150.00 for a picture with Stan Lee. A PICTURE!!!! Those were a memorable 10 seconds, but still... It was just a picture. So my point is that it is possible to make $50, $100, $150 or even $1,000,000 with no investment. The outcome just depends on WHAT the item is, HOW it is sold, and WHY people want to buy it. If your answer is that the people want to buy the product because they want to make money... YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!! Rather, the question one should ask is why do people want to make money? Money is just a number.. a piece of paper.. but that piece of paper can be traded for something in return. What is that something?

I sell physical items online in a certain niche that is so small that probably less than 1% of people look it up, but they go online to buy it and they want more of it. I get people to buy this $1-5 product for $50+ (on average) and the day they receive the item... guess what? I email them and ask, "let me know if you want to buy more." Next sale... BOOM $350!! (on average). Then perhaps I could turn it into a monthly subscription. All with a few minutes of work... it's really fun for me. I enjoy selling this stuff!

My advice to you is, don't go after what everyone else is doing. Don't go to the big internet marketers for advice. Go to the guys that no one knows about for advice, but have made money online. It's gonna pay off.

Good thread... I'm guilty of doing this too. I have the plan, I see the potential, and I drag on multiple projects for months doing things myself. If I spent $5k hiring a few people I could get everything done in a couple weeks flat and it would probably pay for itself quickly. It's so hard to get over that mental hurdle of spending that kind of money when I don't have much of a buffer left.

I have a friend who bought a competitor's business with the last remaining $1,500 in his bank account. It was a smart move and paid off huge, and at the time he didn't even hesitate.

the only truth there is that it rhymes..

you are not looking to be the best, you just want a slice of the pie (dating, mmo, weight loss)

Whatever method you use to get your 'piece' isnt going to be free..

you're spending time, money or both..

probably both..

best of luck
Ike Paz

bro ..don't get me wrong ..

basically there are 3 things ..that matters in business

Cost - Speed - Quality

If you want Low Cost and High Speed, Don't ask for Quality

If you want High Speed and High Quality, Don;t ask for Low Cost

If you want Low Cost and High Quality, Don't ask for High Speed

quote=neshaword;10890651]You need to invest to be the best! Is this true? Is it possible that our unrealistic expectations are preventing us from achieving a success?

> Yes, because the way people become the best is by investing - their cash and time. The trick is to invest wisely, and more often than not, that is through recommendation by word of mouth, organic marketing, and genuine testimonials for example - ones that have a web address and contact details included


For example, I dream about making five figures with my eBook. Yet, I'm hesitating when it comes to a decision to invest $50 in a professional cover. Isn't that just great? You want to make five figures, but you are thinking five times about a $50 worth investment. Seriously?

> Why don't you dream about how you can help people? That's how the wealthy become wealthy

Or, here's one more example. One of my clients wanted to sell his app for $150,000. Yet, it was too much for him to pay me $150 for a sales letter/email, which is supposed to send to potential investors. So, I said $100. The last time I checked he canceled the project. I withdrew my offer, he wanted for me to do it for $50. You want to make $100K, but you don't have hundred bucks to spend. Seriously?

You want to catch a whale by using a worm bait. Then, you have the nerve to ask yourself, what went wrong and why? From what I have seen, I think that IM is filled with these stories.

On the other side, as a striking contrast you have people, who were selling and investing literally everything to succeed. I guess when you put the money where your mouth is, you are actually showing how much your believe in your dream.

My neighbor sells hand-made parts for classic cars. This is a great market to profit on. These guys with classic cars don't worry too much about the price, when it comes to their four-wheel pets. I admire this guy. I always ask how is the business. Hopefully, one day he will decide to launch a website and move into the right direction. He is like, I need better machines, better tools. I need this. I need that. So, I asked. What's the catch? Those are small and simple machines and tools. What's the cost? With them you can make and sell much more. Something like $500. He was like that's a serious amount for me. Said a man with a $600 worth smartphone in his hand. So I said, sell your car and invest. Sell your smartphone and invest $500 so you can make $5,000 or $50,000. He smiled, that's not serious. I didn't want to go on with this discussion.

Everywhere I look, I see these "signs." That's not the exclusive problem of the marketers. If I'm right, you will hardly find a single Avengers movie that has earned less than a billion dollars on box office. That's great, but I also think that there is no movie from these franchise with the production budget of less than $200M or maybe even $300M.

What happened with that saying, first you need to give something to get something. We dream crazy dreams about hundreds of thousands of dollars waiting for us out there, but when it comes to investing, we are extremely rational and cautious. Maybe that's the reason why so many people keep failing to succeed. Who dares wins. Something like that. Right?

From what I saw in the movie Social Network, Mark Zuckerberg actually borrowed some money to launch the first version of Facebook. Something like that.

It seems that we like to dream huge, but when it comes to our pockets, we think small. Are you one of those who expect to earn $100 with the $1 investment? Is it true that the more you give, the more you can expect to get in return?[/quote]

There is no doubt that you need to invest either your time or money in order to make money. However be careful that you are investing your time and money wisely. Make sure that the plan you are following can lead to success before spending time on it and make sure that the person is trustworthy before investing money with them.

I have just been involved with numerous others who were taken in by a high ticket scam by a well established marketer with a previously unblemished record over a number of years on Warrior Forum and elsewhere. However the offer did appear too good to be true and sure enough it was.

Trust and certainty are the biggest things holding people back on the Internet. They buy all the latest hype but take no action because they don't have confidence that if they do they will succeed at the end.

Sometimes people don't have the $50 dollars to invest. I mean money is fake and creativity is REAL. People put so much emphasis on money, dollars, invest, etc. Instead if people focused on platforms allowing people to nurture there creativity instead of dollars then that creation could in turn make a nice living for them. We have a big printer in Washington that goes all around the world, big business, small business, online business, and everywhere except to certain individuals who deserve it.

At first, I dunno why, but I was like: wtf is gonna be this post.
At second, I was like: omg tl;dr.
And then, I decided to read. Did not regret. Very nice post and it's true...

It's what we call as investment.
The money we spend will not be wasted but eventually will give us more money