Kindle Paperback VS Createspace

by Emeka Ossai 23 replies
I am wondering what is the main difference between Kindle paperback and Createspace?

Should I be using both or just one? Are there any restrictions with Kindle Paperback like there is with KDP select?


Thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author Apothem
    The difference between Kindle and Create Space:

    There are two kinds of books: e-books and print books.

    KINDLE is the platform for publishing e-books. Kindle is the Amazon e-reader which is far and away the most popular. The Kindle uses proprietary formatting, .mobi, but you can load Word documents and they will convert. The standard e-book formatting is .epub and used for other e-readers like B&N Nook. Calibre is a free program available online that allows you to convert Word, .mobi, and .epub.

    The Kindle books can be put under the Amazon KDP program which means that they are available only on Amazon. This is generally a good idea to do since "most" e-books are sold from Amazon anyway, and the KDP offers you the opportunity to market with giveaways. Don't do this though if you also offer your e-book on your website or on other online venues such as B&N or smashwords.

    CREATE SPACE is Amazon's printer that will do your print books. Another good printer is Ingram's Spark -- there are advantages and disadvantages to each. For either printer you will need to offer a 40% discount off the retail price, then pay print costs out of the remainder and keep the rest. CS's biggest catch is that if you market books with them to bookstores rather than just online, they will take a larger percentage (55%) of all sales. Spark's catch is that you need to pay in order to load your interior and cover files.

    Remember that print books need an ISBN. You can get a free one from CS but then your print book will be published under their company rather than yours. This may or may not be OK with you depending on whether you just want a print edition for each of your 50 books in your catalog, or you want to have an individual book for something like, say, your novel that you've worked 3 years to write. If you want to get your own ISBNs the only place in the USA is Bowker at www.myidentifiers.com. One is $125 and a block of 10 ISBNs is $300 (barring frequent discounts on the site).

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    Should you do both print and e-book? Absolutely. Hope this is helpful.
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    • Profile picture of the author Emeka Ossai
      Originally Posted by Apothem View Post

      The difference between Kindle and Create Space:

      There are two kinds of books: e-books and print books.

      KINDLE is the platform for publishing e-books. Kindle is the Amazon e-reader which is far and away the most popular. The Kindle uses proprietary formatting, .mobi, but you can load Word documents and they will convert. The standard e-book formatting is .epub and used for other e-readers like B&N Nook. Calibre is a free program available online that allows you to convert Word, .mobi, and .epub.

      The Kindle books can be put under the Amazon KDP program which means that they are available only on Amazon. This is generally a good idea to do since "most" e-books are sold from Amazon anyway, and the KDP offers you the opportunity to market with giveaways. Don't do this though if you also offer your e-book on your website or on other online venues such as B&N or smashwords.

      CREATE SPACE is Amazon's printer that will do your print books. Another good printer is Ingram's Spark -- there are advantages and disadvantages to each. For either printer you will need to offer a 40% discount off the retail price, then pay print costs out of the remainder and keep the rest. CS's biggest catch is that if you market books with them to bookstores rather than just online, they will take a larger percentage (55%) of all sales. Spark's catch is that you need to pay in order to load your interior and cover files.

      Remember that print books need an ISBN. You can get a free one from CS but then your print book will be published under their company rather than yours. This may or may not be OK with you depending on whether you just want a print edition for each of your 50 books in your catalog, or you want to have an individual book for something like, say, your novel that you've worked 3 years to write. If you want to get your own ISBNs the only place in the USA is Bowker at www.myidentifiers.com. One is $125 and a block of 10 ISBNs is $300 (barring frequent discounts on the site).

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      Should you do both print and e-book? Absolutely. Hope this is helpful.

      That wasn't my question at alll.... Kindle PAPERBACK vs Createspace differences.... good info for anyone that doesn't know what ebooks are..
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  • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
    I know that Amazon owns CreateSpace. I think when you publish a paperback edition of your book on CreateSpace, Amazon will give customers the option of buying it or the ebook version. I might be wrong though.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketingva
    Hi,

    There is no such thing as Kindle Paperback. Kindle is purely for e-books.

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    • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
      Originally Posted by marketingva View Post

      Hi,

      There is no such thing as Kindle Paperback. Kindle is purely for e-books.

      Bonnie
      Absolutely correct Bonnie. Everything on Kindle is in ebook format. Their paperback outlet is Create Space. You can link the two in Kindle, but Kindle does NOT offer printed books under the Kindle banner. Apothem explained this very succinctly to you, Emeka Ossai.
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      • Profile picture of the author Emeka Ossai
        Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

        Absolutely correct Bonnie. Everything on Kindle is in ebook format. Their paperback outlet is Create Space. You can link the two in Kindle, but Kindle does NOT offer printed books under the Kindle banner. Apothem explained this very succinctly to you, Emeka Ossai.


        They started it a couple weeks ago, its still in BETA but some people have access to it on their accounts now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Emeka Ossai
      Originally Posted by marketingva View Post

      Hi,

      There is no such thing as Kindle Paperback. Kindle is purely for e-books.

      Bonnie
      They started it a couple weeks ago, its still in BETA but some people have access to it on their accounts now.
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    • Kindle is now offering a paperback option, which is what confused me - Are they phasing out createspace? Are they trying to consolidate the two options because many people do both createspace and KDP?
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  • I think this is what the OP is talking about: KDP Print - Amazon is Beta-Testing a Combined Kindle and POD Dashboard | The Digital Reader

    It looks like only people in the program have information or access to the details so most of us are in the dark.

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author Emeka Ossai
    here is a screen shot of what my account has on it now....

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/9i5mioenuj...%20PM.png?dl=0
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    Originally Posted by Emeka Ossai View Post

    They started it a couple weeks ago, its still in BETA but some people have access to it on their accounts now.
    Originally Posted by Emeka Ossai View Post

    They started it a couple weeks ago, its still in BETA but some people have access to it on their accounts now.
    Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

    I think this is what the OP is talking about: KDP Print - Amazon is Beta-Testing a Combined Kindle and POD Dashboard | The Digital Reader

    It looks like only people in the program have information or access to the details so most of us are in the dark.

    Mark
    Originally Posted by Emeka Ossai View Post

    here is a screen shot of what my account has on it now....

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/9i5mioenuj...%20PM.png?dl=0
    We should probably put this question on hold for a few months until it has been tested by some authors. Also, people should join the KDP forums at amazon. here is the link https://kdp.amazon.com/community/index.jspa

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  • Profile picture of the author Antony Micheal
    Print and ebooks are two totally different animals. The price of one should have no effect on the other.
    Also, CreateSpace doesn't do hard covers. They only do paperback.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shana Walters
    Kindle Paperback is still in beta and has not been pushed out to everyone's account as yet. As to which one is better, only time and testing will tell.

    Gorgeous Lucky Bitch,
    Shana Jahsinta Walters.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eddie Grant
      Originally Posted by Shana Walters View Post

      Kindle Paperback is still in beta
      Yes this took me ages to try and get an answer in the Kindle forums a few weeks ago. I didn't realize it was in beta and couldn't understand why no-one had a clue what I was on about. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    Use KDP AND CreateSpace! Cheers!
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  • I attempted to use KDP print for one of my clients books, but unfortunately her book was a non-standard size (5x7) which wasn't an option for KDP print, so I just stuck with createspace on that one. I haven't had the courage to test run KDP print - it also seems that the KDP print only makes your print book available on amazon, but doesn't allow the author to print copies for their own use - I could be mistaken, but it didn't seem to be an option.
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  • This is from KDP website:

    Publish Your Paperback on KDP (Beta)
    We're excited to offer the opportunity to publish paperbacks in addition to Kindle eBooks.

    We'll be adding even more print-related features in the future, like proof copies, author (wholesale) copies, and expanded distribution to bookstores and non-Amazon websites.

    Publishing a paperback can help you reach new readers. KDP prints your book on demand and subtracts your printing costs from your royalties, so you don't have to pay any costs upfront or carry any inventory.

    Benefits of publishing paperbacks with KDP include:
    • Distribution: Reach paperback readers through Amazon websites in the US, Europe, and Japan.
    • Royalties: Earn up to 60% royalties on the list price you set, minus printing costs.
    • Rights: Maintain creative control and own your copyright with our non-exclusive agreement.
    • Get to market fast: Publish your paperback for international sale in just a few days.
    • 100% availability: Printing on demand means your book will never be out of stock.

    Move Your CreateSpace Paperback to KDP (Beta)
    Moving your CreateSpace paperback to KDP will consolidate your paperback and eBook publishing on a single website. You will receive combined royalty payments for the marketplaces you sell your eBooks and paperbacks to. You do not need to do anything extra – your current account settings, payment information and tax details do not need updates. With KDP, you can distribute to Japan in addition to the US and European marketplaces. We also offer a multilingual user interface and customer support in German, Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch, and Japanese.

    Although KDP doesn't yet offer author copies, proof copies, expanded distribution, or professional services, we will be adding those features in the future.

    KDP's print features won't affect any existing CreateSpace titles unless you choose to republish them on KDP. It's up to you whether you want to start publishing new paperbacks on KDP.

    KDP and CreateSpace feature comparison chart

    Feature KDP CreateSpace
    • Distribution to Amazon.com (US) [ KDP Yes] [CS Yes]
    • Distribution to Europe (Amazon.co.uk, Amazon.de, Amazon.fr, Amazon.it, and Amazon.es) [ KDP Yes] [CS Yes]
    • Distribution to Japan (Amazon.co.jp) [ KDP Yes] [CS No]
    • Order physical proof copies [ KDP Not Yet] [CS Yes]
    • Order wholesale author copies [ KDP Not Yet] [CS Yes]
    • Expanded distribution to bookstores and non-Amazon websites [ KDP Not Yet] [CS Yes]
    • Professional Publishing Services [ KDP Not Yet] [CS Yes]


    How to publish your CreateSpace paperback on KDP
    1. Set up a new paperback title on your KDP Bookshelf.
    2. On the Paperback Details page, enter the same metadata used for your CreateSpace book.
    3. Select "Yes" when asked whether this book was previously published on CreateSpace.
    4. Click "Save and Continue" to move on to the Paperback Content page.
    5. Under the ISBN header, enter the same 13-digit ISBN used to publish your book on CreateSpace. If you have a 10-digit ISBN issued by CreateSpace, use the ISBN converter to find your 13-digit ISBN equivalent.
    6. Click "Continue" to sign in to your CreateSpace account and validate your ownership of the title.

    Once you're redirected back to KDP, you'll want to enter the same book details (publication date, trim size, paper type, cover finish) and upload the same manuscript and cover files you used to publish on CreateSpace. KDP's print specifications are similar to CreateSpace, except we don't support custom CreateSpace trim sizes. See the trim sizes KDP supports

    With our Online Previewer, you can proofread your paperback manuscript online or download it to view offline.

    After you publish your CreateSpace book on KDP, we'll automatically remove your CreateSpace paperback from sale, and your KDP sales will be tracked in your KDP sales and royalty reports. You can still access historical sales reports on CreateSpace but you will not need to take any additional action there.

    Files made with CreateSpace templates
    In most circumstances, if you used a CreateSpace template to format your cover or manuscript file, you can reuse the same files to publish your CreateSpace paperback on KDP. See exceptions where you’ll need to edit your Cover files and Manuscript files below. If you paid for a CreateSpace cover or interior service, contact CreateSpace customer support to get your files.

    If Online Previewer finds errors in your uploaded files, you'll want to correct the formatting and reupload the files. Troubleshooting tips follow below, and you can also see our KDP Print Publishing Guidelines for detailed help with formatting errors.

    Cover files
    Some older CreateSpace cover templates include white space around the edges that trigger errors on KDP's Online Previewer. If you used a CreateSpace template to create your cover, make sure it matches your book's intended trim size and remove any extra white space. Learn more about KDP's cover size requirements.

    Manuscript files
    KDP does not support custom CreateSpace trim sizes. If you used a CreateSpace interior template to create your manuscript file, make sure it's in a trim size that KDP supports. If not, reset the trim size and reformat your manuscript file to match your new trim size.
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  • Profile picture of the author deessell
    In my experience I would stick with Createspace until things are finalized with the dashboard Kindle side. It's just quicker and easier at this stage is the simple answer.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by ankur88 View Post

      There is no such thing as Kindle Paperback. Kindle is purely for e-books.
      Amazon owns CreateSpace. I think when you publish a paperback edition of your book on CreateSpace, Amazon will give customers the option of buying it or the ebook version.
      Yet another example of replying to the first post without bothering to read the whole thread.

      You may want to try it, you might learn something.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shana Walters
      Originally Posted by ankur88 View Post

      There is no such thing as Kindle Paperback. Kindle is purely for e-books.
      Amazon owns CreateSpace. I think when you publish a paperback edition of your book on CreateSpace, Amazon will give customers the option of buying it or the ebook version.
      If you have a KDP account, then I suggest you go and look in your dashboard. You will see what we are talking about.
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  • Profile picture of the author sharpturn
    Seeing as it is still in its infancy I think I will stick to creating my books and publishing them separately via Createspace for print and Kindle for digital.

    I haven't played around with the new KDP dashboard yet because I have become so accustomed to using CS.
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