Where to go next - programmer looking for ideas.

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Hi All,

I've been programming for 25 years - about 10 in a job. Last 15 years or so I've been working as an affiliate and running my own magento ecomm site (thats had its day now though).

Being an affiliate, I always used to write small apps to automate my efforts - but also wrote some fairly heavy systems aswell. Typical things like LSI generators, Stat programs, Crawlers, Site generators - desktop based.

Anyway - cut it short - I want to get back into programming and out of the "selling a physical product arena" which involved me buying stock, dispatch, customer service, support etc. So I have spent time learning PHP, SQL, CSS, JavaScript and have almost completed my first fairly complex application (its a real estate marketing system basically, with a pdf flyer genner and a printing scheduler - along with all the usual data entry screens and validation).

I did it for free - yup - you got that - for free. I did this because I just needed the PHP experience.

I am now looking to write software for IM - I don't mind what kind really. I program quite fast, and am getting faster in the above tech I have mentioned. I don't "slack", I contribute ideas - I get the job done. Period.

So how can I "get into" the IM market - a joint venture would be good perhaps?
How can I contact people who need programs doing? I am trying to build a portfolio - so I would do things for a cut or pretty much "nothing" at the moment.

Any thoughts anyone? I am a bit lost.
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  • Profile picture of the author fastlanesamurai
    You can try your hand at creating plugins. It's a good start. This might require niche research on your part. But you can successfully launch your Internet Marketing business from here.

    Otherwise, from what I've seen. Many of the top Vendors who sell software on JVzoo hire other people to create them. Track down their profiles on Facebook -- and be on the lookout for openings. (Yes, they post about it on their profiles) It's a long shot but it's worth it.

    Also, have you checked out the Warriors for Hire section? Maybe you can post there?

    Although, if you're eager then you might start Freelancing. There's a fair chance of landing an Internet Marketing gig.

    It'd be best if you could get joint ventures. JVs will open up good opportunities for you. Who knows? If you do a good enough job they might hire you for their next product. Again and again. You'd also get good recommendations for the sort of niche you want to work in. I suggest that you look into the Warrior Joint Ventures section regularly.
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  • Profile picture of the author WarriorWasim
    If you are a good programmer then unlimited opportunities waiting for you. Find problem in any niche you are passionate about and create a software, application or plugins to solve that and you are good to start a IM journey? Are you a wordpress coder? TractorHead?? Thanks :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author TractorHead
      Originally Posted by WarriorWasim View Post

      If you are a good programmer then unlimited opportunities waiting for you. Find problem in any niche you are passionate about and create a software, application or plugins to solve that and you are good to start a IM journey? Are you a wordpress coder? TractorHead?? Thanks :-)
      Hi WarriorWasim - yes, I am a good programmer - I think for myself - I have been told this by other people and used to be the Senior Advisor in an IT department of over 350 programmers.
      I will follow methods, or develop my own.

      I am leaning away from WP, I can learn to code into WP very very quickly - but unless someone needs a job doing which would give me a really good head start (with my reputation which I want to build) in plugins with at least a few $$ to help pay the bills I am a "little bit reluctant". With my preference probably tending towards stand alone SaaS systems or SaaS systems which interface with online services.

      Ideally - someone is out there with a great idea right now - I can add to that idea - and build it for JV at 20/80 - or I can write the whole lot for peanuts (to build my portfolio).

      I would do it for free - but i've just done 3 months of that and could do with something to keep my moral going!!! You will understand!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author TractorHead
    Hi Fastlanesamurai, thankyou for your reply. Much appreciated.

    I have thought about the JV side. Long and hard infact. This is the best way to go for me - perhaps with JVZoo vendors aswell.

    My current position is that I can do absolutely anything - no job is too hard - I think like this because of my past and the kind of huge systems I have done in industry.

    If I don't know something technical - I just read up - then do it. Such as interfacing with other systems / carts / blogs etc. Learning new tech is part of the job - not a problem.

    I get the impression many JV's are 50/50 - but I am more than prepared to code for 20/80 (20 for me - just to pay bills and build up).

    Would that be seen as a viable offer for a JV? Do you think anyone would be interested?

    I am keen to get going on something heavy now, something which people will use and need - that's my reward in terms of "job satisfaction" - software I write which is being used widely.

    I mean from my perspective, if I were a vendor who worked on JV's, I would snap someone like me up ASAP at 20/80 if they had my years in development behind them. But I just don't know how to play it. Whoever I do systems for - I can tell you this - they are in for a real surprise.
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    • Profile picture of the author fastlanesamurai
      Originally Posted by TractorHead View Post


      I get the impression many JV's are 50/50 - but I am more than prepared to code for 20/80 (20 for me - just to pay bills and build up).

      Would that be seen as a viable offer for a JV? Do you think anyone would be interested?

      I am keen to get going on something heavy now, something which people will use and need - that's my reward in terms of "job satisfaction" - software I write which is being used widely.

      I mean from my perspective, if I were a vendor who worked on JV's, I would snap someone like me up ASAP at 20/80 if they had my years in development behind them. But I just don't know how to play it. Whoever I do systems for - I can tell you this - they are in for a real surprise.
      It would entirely depend on them. I have no say in this.


      Do you have a profile on linkedin? Have you reached out to these top vendors one by one? Personally on facebook? Think of it as cold calling. You have to get this down. Even if your chances aren't that great, just do it. It might take them a while to respond if they ever do. I'd say 1 week tops.


      Just be sure you make a great offer.


      Protip: When you send them your message -- they only read the first sentence to see if it's worth opening. You know, in the drop down box? You have to ensure that it's personal. They also have to want to open it and see it further. For instance, say that the vendor's name is Joseph. You write, "Hey Joseph, I feel like you're the right person for this..." and then continue the rest of your message. So when they click on their message icon, they'll be interested in what you have to say. I hope you get the gist.


      And if you are as good as you say you are -- then you should have no problem landing a solid gig on freelancer... in the meantime. Since, you bring up paying your bills. Why not give this a go?


      And until then you can keep trying on Warriors For Hire and Warrior Joint Ventures. Maybe you'll get lucky? On the side, you can also try your hand at creating a great plugin. Something that people will love to buy from you...
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve L
    Originally Posted by TractorHead View Post

    Hi All,

    I've been programming for 25 years - about 10 in a job. Last 15 years or so I've been working as an affiliate and running my own magento ecomm site (thats had its day now though).

    Being an affiliate, I always used to write small apps to automate my efforts - but also wrote some fairly heavy systems aswell. Typical things like LSI generators, Stat programs, Crawlers, Site generators - desktop based.

    Anyway - cut it short - I want to get back into programming and out of the "selling a physical product arena" which involved me buying stock, dispatch, customer service, support etc. So I have spent time learning PHP, SQL, CSS, JavaScript and have almost completed my first fairly complex application (its a real estate marketing system basically, with a pdf flyer genner and a printing scheduler - along with all the usual data entry screens and validation).

    I did it for free - yup - you got that - for free. I did this because I just needed the PHP experience.

    I am now looking to write software for IM - I don't mind what kind really. I program quite fast, and am getting faster in the above tech I have mentioned. I don't "slack", I contribute ideas - I get the job done. Period.

    So how can I "get into" the IM market - a joint venture would be good perhaps?
    How can I contact people who need programs doing? I am trying to build a portfolio - so I would do things for a cut or pretty much "nothing" at the moment.

    Any thoughts anyone? I am a bit lost.
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    • Profile picture of the author TractorHead
      Are you having trouble developing that in some way?
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  • Profile picture of the author Shawn Dexter
    I'm curious OP -- What prompted you to want to go back to working for someone? The world is your oyster at this point. You can do pretty much whatever you want
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    • Profile picture of the author TractorHead
      Originally Posted by Shawn Dexter View Post

      I'm curious OP -- What prompted you to want to go back to working for someone? The world is your oyster at this point. You can do pretty much whatever you want
      Hi Shawn, I don't really work for anyone, not in the sense that I am an employee. I suppose the accurate answer to your question though would really be another question........ "how is it my oyster?" Funny thing is - that I do **feel** it is indeed my oyster - but the truth is - how do I find something to work on?

      I have no experience of Jv's, so if I came up with a great idea for SEO, Vids, Lists, Blogs, Sites, Data analysis, etc, I have no contacts yet to get it off the ground and help with the sales side.

      I don't know "whats hot" and "whats not" in marketing right now - I think if I could spend some time looking round - maybe a couple of weeks - then I could probably come up with a system of my own to sell. Getting to know folk would do me good though.
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  • Profile picture of the author anayb
    Originally Posted by TractorHead View Post

    Hi All,
    I've been programming for 25 years - about 10 in a job.
    You got such a long experience in programming, and now you're trying to get into MMO niche rather than building lucrative SAAS or AI products? Its very hard to believe.
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    • Profile picture of the author TractorHead
      Originally Posted by anayb View Post

      You got such a long experience in programming, and now you're trying to get into MMO niche rather than building lucrative SAAS or AI products? Its very hard to believe.
      I said - "With my preference probably tending towards stand alone SaaS systems or SaaS systems which interface with online services."

      Come back when you learn to read carefully. On second thoughts - don't bother.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bresyn
    Is there any application you can use to back up your claim of years of experience?
    May be that help to convince people of what you can do.
    For me, am interested in your JV but I need to be sure of your own side too.
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    • Profile picture of the author anayb
      Originally Posted by Bresyn View Post

      Is there any application you can use to back up your claim of years of experience?
      May be that help to convince people of what you can do.
      For me, am interested in your JV but I need to be sure of your own side too.
      You're absolutely right. This fellow with so much experience (he claims he started programming 25 years ago which means long before even Google incorporated) suddenly needs ideas from open public forums for his upcoming **** products. I am sure he can show nothing what he has built so far in 25 years. Ask him, and you'll be returned empty handed.
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      • Profile picture of the author TractorHead
        "open public forums for his upcoming **** products."

        You are a real "one of a kind" arent you. What upcoming products? I haven't got any.

        For the second time - go away and come back when you can read carefully. On reflection - dont bother.
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        • Profile picture of the author TractorHead
          Originally Posted by anayb View Post

          What are those companies you have worked for? I got friends in all major U.S. tech companies (including Google). I also served a renowned media company in the U.S myself a few years back. Want further details, huh? Tell me your real name, designation and post, it will take not more than a few minutes to find out who are you and what you're capable of doing. You think all forums people are equal stupid including the peanut who just said he likes you.
          "Want further details, huh?"

          Nope - I reckon not.
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  • Anayb. I started programming more than 25 years ago, before google incorporated too. Just because you may be an inexperienced kid, doesn't mean he is.

    Also, being able to create a product is completely different from being able to sell it. Two ENTIRELY different things.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    I thought I told you to go away and don't bother coming back.
    I like you already.

    Check the launch list on JVZ - https://www.jvzoo.com/marketplace

    See what other software is selling. Wander around this forum and others and see what problems people are having, you could code a solution for.

    Hint: WordPress is the CMS to focus on.
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    • Profile picture of the author TractorHead
      Brent, oddly enough I was poking around the Zoo yesterday (I use it for PLR which I was posting to a few blogs as an SEO trial about 6 months ago). Then, this morning I decided to do a bit of research into WP hooks (actions, filters) - seemed fairly straightforward conceptually - but - lots to learn. I am now thinking that if a very very very small "taster" job for WP came along - I would do it for free. Say a few days give or take - with most of it learning the WP application structure and methods etc. But yes, interesting.........

      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      I like you already.

      Check the launch list on JVZ - https://www.jvzoo.com/marketplace

      See what other software is selling. Wander around this forum and others and see what problems people are having, you could code a solution for.

      Hint: WordPress is the CMS to focus on.
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  • Profile picture of the author TractorHead
    "You think all forums people are equal stupid"

    No - that is not true - that statement is completely wrong and could not be further from the truth.
    You ***really*** would be better off not trying to read my mind.

    Anyway - enough of being like that - it serves no purpose.
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  • Profile picture of the author TractorHead
    Hi All - just wondered - anyone else wants to contribute to this for me who hasnt seen it yet?
    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Acornia
    Originally Posted by TractorHead View Post

    Hi All,

    I've been programming for 25 years - about 10 in a job. Last 15 years or so I've been working as an affiliate and running my own magento ecomm site (thats had its day now though).

    Being an affiliate, I always used to write small apps to automate my efforts - but also wrote some fairly heavy systems aswell. Typical things like LSI generators, Stat programs, Crawlers, Site generators - desktop based.

    Anyway - cut it short - I want to get back into programming and out of the "selling a physical product arena" which involved me buying stock, dispatch, customer service, support etc. So I have spent time learning PHP, SQL, CSS, JavaScript and have almost completed my first fairly complex application (its a real estate marketing system basically, with a pdf flyer genner and a printing scheduler - along with all the usual data entry screens and validation).

    I did it for free - yup - you got that - for free. I did this because I just needed the PHP experience.

    I am now looking to write software for IM - I don't mind what kind really. I program quite fast, and am getting faster in the above tech I have mentioned. I don't "slack", I contribute ideas - I get the job done. Period.

    So how can I "get into" the IM market - a joint venture would be good perhaps?
    How can I contact people who need programs doing? I am trying to build a portfolio - so I would do things for a cut or pretty much "nothing" at the moment.

    Any thoughts anyone? I am a bit lost.
    This is the reality of it, you will find most products and services are built on a lack of transparency. What that means is many don't acutally generate more revenue for the retailer, they put the retailer under more red tape and bureacracy.

    What many retailers find is that the solutions they are sold don't match the actual products they were expecting. It comes back to something relating to psychology called a double-bind, a correct scenario is to have the start equal the end going through the detail. The retailer is buying the detail in via third party experience, what often happens is the end doesn't match the start.

    This puts the retailer in a compromising situation, do they unwind and start again, or fight through it and try and make it work. Most choose the latter. Some companies know produced start to end solutions around PHP for eCommerce which actually worked, but they pulled the plug as they were for their own proof of concept and didn't push them out to production as they diversified in to other areas.

    They are 100% functionally complete, but need a retail front put on them for mass market. There's a possibility could introduce you depending on the situation. Otherwise things are slowly changing from the sell at any cost model to actually providing value for the retailer. The problem is not many retailers understand what they have been provided is either oversold or in too many cases just indirectly fake for service provider revenue, meaning they work but cause negative productivity gains.

    The area you need to concentrate on is generating more productivity for less cost to the retailer. Unfortunately there are too many people in the market selling the world and delivering very little, so unless you have something with a true edge, it's a tough call outside of following the produce a lot and create very little crowd. That's why you are lost, you don't have the edge product and you don't want to follow the crowd.

    If you have a bit of gumption this covers most of them http://www.warriorforum.com/ecommerc...solutions.html there are more but would have to go back to the poc company.

    PS. If you are good don't settle for less, your statement about 'snap me up' actually makes most people walk away, price yourself for what you are worth, not more, not less and if it's not what you are worth walk away. People like confidence, not submission, you'll be surprised how many come back when you tell them you're not interested. The problem is getting them to engage in the first place these days, everyone expects you to go to them, so you have to wait for them to implode first, it becomes a much easier negotiation, that's the price or go away.
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