You have to love these 'coaching' programs....

by Melody
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One of the things I love (read that with a sarcastic tone, please) about the New Year is the herd of new 'coaching' programs that always hit the inbox. And while they are all from different people, they all share some common themes:
The "Coach" is feeling guilty that they haven't helped us little people more
The "Coach" really and truly wants us to succeed
The "Coach" has made oodles of money and really just wants to share the wealth
The "Coach" only wants truly dedicated and committed people that will give testimonials as to how effective the program was....

And of course, after all of this blabber, the bottom line is usually a 4 figure amount to join the coaching program to prove that you are serious since the Guru is going to spend their time making you a success.

Don't get me wrong - I believe in coaching. It's a great way to learn the ropes and anything that is a shortcut to money is a good thing.

What I am truly tired of is this sales approach! If you need testimonials, if you truly want to help a few truly deserving and desperate people - then find a few people that REALLY need your help, and lift them up by the bootstraps!

Believe it or not - there are actually people that DO need help and are willing to work their tails off for the privilege of learning this business.....but they are not the ones that can afford to spend $5k on your coaching program.

I am just tired of this blatantly phony sales approach. Be honest, sell your coaching program without telling us how you 'need' to help others succeed, when what you really need is a bunch of people sending you thousands of dollars for your expertise.

Let's just start the year with some honesty in marketing!

Melody
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  • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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    Originally Posted by Melody View Post

    The "Coach" really and truly wants us to succeed
    The "Coach" has made oodles of money and really just wants to share the wealth
    Those 2 never cease to amaze me too.
    It's just not human nature.
    If you find a pot of gold, you keep it to yourself. End of.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

      If you find a pot of gold, you keep it to yourself. End of.
      Not if you can charge a few nuggets of gold for others to take a look at your pot of gold
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    Let's just start the year with some honesty in marketing!
    Surely, you jest...

    the herd of new 'coaching' programs that always hit the inbox.
    None in my inbox. There's something, required by law in all the guru emails you get. It's called an unsubscribe link. It will instantly solve your problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author Melody
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      Surely, you jest...



      None in my inbox. There's something, required by law in all the guru emails you get. It's called an unsubscribe link. It will instantly solve your problem.
      LOL....seriously? I can do that?? WOW!!

      And yes, there are several lists out there that are one person lighter this week....

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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Well... IMO the coach SHOULD want everyone in their program to succeed, that way it makes them look good and will help for future students.. but I get what you're saying..
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    No matter how good a coach is or how good their product is, it's up to the 'individual' to plug in, take guidance and follow through with action. 97% of the people in IM aren't willing to follow through with anything and lack the discipline needed.

    Not saying that there aren't any shady coaching products out there because there are.

    But people need to hold themselves accountable for their 'own' success.
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  • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
    Coaching is such a complicated subject.

    On one hand you have someone who has the knowledge to show someone how to turn their financial life around and help them climb the mountain of success.

    But the reality is most people on that mountain aren't occupied with turning around to help someone else. They are trying to reach the summit themselves.

    Being successful means staying focused on your goals. Not focusing on someone else's goals.

    So a lot of 'coaches' out there are nothing more than guys sitting at the bottom of that mountain who have already made it to the top (unlikely) or they made it half way up the mountain before failing. And now these coaches are selling "guides" on which path they took before they failed. All while selling you on the dream that you could get to the top of the mountain if you follow the path they carved out.

    Now this isn't necessarily a bad thing.

    These coaches do have knowledge and they can help your average newbie get halfway up the mountain. And sometimes that's all the momentum a newbie needs in order to figure out the rest.

    This is what separates a mediocre coach from a good coach.

    Not every coach is a world champion, but they could have the knowledge required to train one.


    Coaches shouldn't be looked at as someone who will carry you to the top of the mountain. Coaches are there to teach you the basics and give you the knowledge and motivation to help you achieve your goals on your own.

    They are someone you look to for guidance and support when things get tough.

    A good coach will help you remove self doubt and help you become a better version of yourself through progress.

    Don't look for a coach with the intent of learning a 'system' that will make you a millionaire in 3 months.

    Look for a coach who will teach you the skill set to become a millionaire on your own.

    A coach who will teach you discipline.

    A coach who will show you how to sharpen your mind.

    A coach who will change the way you think and learn.

    A coach who will bring out the confidence you know you've always had, but hid away from everyone.

    A coach who will help you overcome the fear of failure.

    You need a coach who will bring out the best possible version of yourself so you will be able to accomplish anything you set your mind to.

    This is what a REAL coach will do for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    A coach who will teach you discipline.

    A coach who will show you how to sharpen your mind.

    A coach who will change the way you think and learn.

    A coach who will bring out the confidence you know you've always had, but hid away from everyone.

    A coach who will help you overcome the fear of failure.
    The above list seems to be what many people here look for - of course they also want a coach who will "give them motivation" and "guarantee success".

    To me, coaching is having someone who knows more than you do about a subject TEACH YOU the subject/the method/the process or system - where to find what you need - how to promote what you have.

    I guess some are looking for a 'lifestyle' coach while others are looking for a classroom?
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    • Profile picture of the author artmelkon
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      The above list seems to be what many people here look for - of course they also want a coach who will "give them motivation" and "guarantee success".

      To me, coaching is having someone who knows more than you do about a subject TEACH YOU the subject/the method/the process or system - where to find what you need - how to promote what you have.

      I guess some are looking for a 'lifestyle' coach while others are looking for a classroom?
      I don't think any coach or any one can guaranty someones success, they can try, but it all depends on you if you want to be succeeded or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
    I believe a good coach should be teaching both. If they're really successful they should be teaching you how to do it (that's obvious) but why what they do works. They should also teach you what needs to happen mentally.

    You can teach anyone how to ride a bicycle, but if you want to be a world class bicyclist you need more help than just learning how to ride a bike. The mental aspect is just as important as the physical aspect of it.

    The same goes for business.

    You could be the greatest salesman in the world, but if you don't have the discipline and mental fortitude to use those talents, then you will never get anywhere.

    So it's not just about learning how to do something. That's the easy part. Anyone can read a book, take a class and learn how to do something. What's important is learning the skills that allow you to use any knowledge and information you use efficiently.

    If you don't have a strong foundation, It doesn't matter what you learn. You will always be running in circles. I see that a lot around here.
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    I could never figure out why people do coaching anyway:

    I would not coach anyone for $5K. In fact I would not coach anyone for $10K either. Frankly its to much work for to little money (my time is worth more than that). Why anyone would spend months working with someone in exchange for a weeks income is something I could never get honestly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Melody
      Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

      I could never figure out why people do coaching anyway:

      I would not coach anyone for $5K. In fact I would not coach anyone for $10K either. Frankly its to much work for to little money (my time is worth more than that). Why anyone would spend months working with someone in exchange for a weeks income is something I could never get honestly.
      LOL - my thoughts exactly! BTW - thank you again for the fast response tonight. You are as good as your software ;-)

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    • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
      Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

      I could never figure out why people do coaching anyway:

      I would not coach anyone for $5K. In fact I would not coach anyone for $10K either. Frankly its to much work for to little money (my time is worth more than that). Why anyone would spend months working with someone in exchange for a weeks income is something I could never get honestly.
      I have to agree 100%.

      Now, I'm not looking for a pat on the back, but I used to coach a few people every year entirely free.

      They were usually friends or friends of family members who were in a tough situation financially, had lost their job suddenly, were having a hard time finding a new job, etc.

      I spent several hours of my time (valuable time, because in Internet Marketing, your time is really your most valuable asset IMO).

      I would have them come to my house and bring their laptop.

      I would begin at the very beginning. I would teach them in 4 hour increments, usually 2-3 classes per week. Keep in mind this is all on my own time, no charge to them.

      Usually what would happen is that they would show up for the first 2 or 3 classes, and then by that time they would have realized exactly just how much work it was going to take for them to be successful. That's where it usually ended for most people. I think I had one or two people make it past the third class.

      I had one good student that I had gotten them to the point of making about $50-$60 per day on a consistent basis.

      I was pretty happy about that and it felt good to actually help someone and to see the happy looks on his face when he made an affiliate sale.

      I taught him EVERYTHING he needed to know to keep it going and scale it up. Overall it took about 30 hours worth of instruction.

      One of the MAJOR points that I tried to pound into his head was that he needed to continue to invest 50% of his sales back into buying traffic.

      I figured that he was well on his way, as I had shown him to how to duplicate my business EXACTLY.

      About a month went by and I decided to check in on him.

      I was a little upset to find that he had only added around 50 new subscribers to his list in the month that I had not seen him. He also said that he was only making a few sales a week now and he didn't understand what happened.

      I was totally SHOCKED!

      When I was coaching him, I had shown him how to add around 1000 new subs to his list every month by re-investing 50% of his commissions into traffic buys.

      So what happened?

      Well, he decided that he would rather withdraw and spend EVERY PENNY he brought in on video games, cell phone cases, headphones, crap for his car, etc, and NOT invest that money into traffic so that he could continue adding fresh subscribers to his list.

      In other words, he decided NOT TO LISTEN TO WHAT I TOLD HIM TO DO!

      On top of this, he actually had the nerve to tell me "I knew this online thing would just be a waste of MY time." HIS time? What about MY time?

      I tried to explain to him that it was his own fault because he decided not to add fresh subscribers to his list.

      See, he totally forgot about the few weeks where he was making $50-$60 EVERY day. That just went right over his head.

      Instead, it was all MY FAULT for telling him that I could teach him to make money online when according to him, I couldn't.

      To make a long story short, it was then that I decided NEVER to coach another person even if they offered me THOUSANDS to do it!

      The moral of the story is that people want to believe what they want to believe. They don't want to listen, and they want to blame everybody but themselves for their failures. I guess it's true that no good deed goes unpunished.
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      • Profile picture of the author ED1190
        Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

        I have to agree 100%.

        Now, I'm not looking for a pat on the back, but I used to coach a few people every year entirely free.

        They were usually friends or friends of family members who were in a tough situation financially, had lost their job suddenly, were having a hard time finding a new job, etc.

        I spent several hours of my time (valuable time, because in Internet Marketing, your time is really your most valuable asset IMO).

        I would have them come to my house and bring their laptop.

        I would begin at the very beginning. I would teach them in 4 hour increments, usually 2-3 classes per week. Keep in mind this is all on my own time, no charge to them.

        Usually what would happen is that they would show up for the first 2 or 3 classes, and then by that time they would have realized exactly just how much work it was going to take for them to be successful. That's where it usually ended for most people. I think I had one or two people make it past the third class.

        I had one good student that I had gotten them to the point of making about $50-$60 per day on a consistent basis.

        I was pretty happy about that and it felt good to actually help someone and to see the happy looks on his face when he made an affiliate sale.

        I taught him EVERYTHING he needed to know to keep it going and scale it up. Overall it took about 30 hours worth of instruction.

        One of the MAJOR points that I tried to pound into his head was that he needed to continue to invest 50% of his sales back into buying traffic.

        I figured that he was well on his way, as I had shown him to how to duplicate my business EXACTLY.

        About a month went by and I decided to check in on him.

        I was a little upset to find that he had only added around 50 new subscribers to his list in the month that I had not seen him. He also said that he was only making a few sales a week now and he didn't understand what happened.

        I was totally SHOCKED!

        When I was coaching him, I had shown him how to add around 1000 new subs to his list every month by re-investing 50% of his commissions into traffic buys.

        So what happened?

        Well, he decided that he would rather withdraw and spend EVERY PENNY he brought in on video games, cell phone cases, headphones, crap for his car, etc, and NOT invest that money into traffic so that he could continue adding fresh subscribers to his list.

        In other words, he decided NOT TO LISTEN TO WHAT I TOLD HIM TO DO!

        On top of this, he actually had the nerve to tell me "I knew this online thing would just be a waste of MY time." HIS time? What about MY time?

        I tried to explain to him that it was his own fault because he decided not to add fresh subscribers to his list.

        See, he totally forgot about the few weeks where he was making $50-$60 EVERY day. That just went right over his head.

        Instead, it was all MY FAULT for telling him that I could teach him to make money online when according to him, I couldn't.

        To make a long story short, it was then that I decided NEVER to coach another person even if they offered me THOUSANDS to do it!

        The moral of the story is that people want to believe what they want to believe. They don't want to listen, and they want to blame everybody but themselves for their failures. I guess it's true that no good deed goes unpunished.
        Not everyone is like him. I would have heavily appreciated being coached by someone like you. Some people are just ungrateful.
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        • Profile picture of the author pawandave
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          I agree fee around $500 is not bad many people afford this BUT really $1000 or $5000 is too much...

          However, you can not deny importance of coaching, if that worth at that . It is better than $7 or $10 or $37 WSO because many people (including me) buy this and they eat dirt on table.
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    • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
      Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

      I could never figure out why people do coaching anyway:

      I would not coach anyone for $5K. In fact I would not coach anyone for $10K either. Frankly its to much work for to little money (my time is worth more than that). Why anyone would spend months working with someone in exchange for a weeks income is something I could never get honestly.
      This is narrow sighted thinking.

      You could charge 5-10k PLUS 10% of any profits they bring in.

      I've trained people with this approach and there's something people are missing about coaching.

      When you train someone you basically teach them the skills you have. You create a business relationship with someone. These people you train will work with you to the day you die in return for your help.

      If you train enough people, you begin to have a small army of marketers at your disposal. You build a network of people who can take a product and skyrocket the sales of that product overnight. This is a valuable team of people to have and product owners are looking for people like this everyday to help launch their products.

      This type of team is worth it's weight in gold. This is basically how affiliate networks start. If you work with enough people, you become the affiliate network and any sales they make working with you, you get a % of it.

      It's no different than a company investing thousands teaching a fresh sales force how to promote their products. Only this time you are the company and you decide what you want your sales force to do.

      This is what successful coaches do. Anyone who charges a one time fee for mentoring someone just wants some quick cash. The real money is building business relationships and using those relationships to make you and your students more money.

      That's how you become rich without spending a single dollar. Teach the people around you and let them do the work for you. That's how affiliate marketing works.
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    • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
      Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

      I could never figure out why people do coaching anyway:

      I would not coach anyone for $5K. In fact I would not coach anyone for $10K either. Frankly its to much work for to little money (my time is worth more than that). Why anyone would spend months working with someone in exchange for a weeks income is something I could never get honestly.
      You can provide the core of the training through video. Then you only need to provide 1on1 when something isn't clear or someone needs additional help. The more in-depth the videos are, the less support someone will need. You can also provide a private facebook or slack group for all the members and that would add the ability for them to learn from each other and you can provide additional info that goes out to everyone. This is the only way to make it cost effective.

      If you are proving 100% 1on1, then you would have to factor what your time is worth and charge it or not provide the coaching.
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  • Profile picture of the author Edwin Torres
    LOL yeah, that "angle" is kind of overplayed...

    Especially the coaches who decide to write a book and "miraculously" always order way too many books and need to run a sale to clear out the stock haha.
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    The Coaching in some regards has gotten out of hand.

    I would stay away from anyone who says they want to Coach you into being a Coach in then in turns goes out and teaches others how to be a Coach.

    Get a Coach who can tell you how to build Sites and perform SEO and how to exactly get it ranked. Or get a Coach who can show you through his own success how to do Article Marketing and go through the Process.

    Not the Coach teaching Coaches to Coach etc..etc..


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  • Profile picture of the author Randy McLean
    That's a pretty unfortunate experience there Niche Blogger. It's almost like some people can't hear what they are actually saying and see the irony.

    Coaching will only benefit action takers who can follow instructions.

    Besides IM, I also like fitness and watch a lot of Vince Delmonte's videos. He pays a coach 15k per month and Vince is a millionaire himself.

    He panics if he doesn't make 3k a day.

    So for some, there are benefits to coaching. It's like reading an entire book for that one little idea that will double your income.

    For the average person though, there are much cheaper alternatives.

    The only problem is once you take a bite of the watermelon you have to spit out the seeds. There are a lot of Charlatans out there.

    But I do agree. Coaches teaching people to be coaches is kind of ridiculous.
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    • Profile picture of the author brutecky
      Originally Posted by Randy McLean View Post

      But I do agree. Coaches teaching people to be coaches is kind of ridiculous.
      I actually see no problem with that. Its no different than a university professor teaching a college student how to be a high school teacher.

      In this usage coaching is basically just 'teaching' and teaching is a skill, one that has to be learned. Its perfectly reasonable for someone who is good at this skill to teach other people how to be a good teacher as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

        I actually see no problem with that. Its no different than a university professor teaching a college student how to be a high school teacher.

        In this usage coaching is basically just 'teaching' and teaching is a skill, one that has to be learned. Its perfectly reasonable for someone who is good at this skill to teach other people how to be a good teacher as well.
        brutecky,
        I understand your point. I would argue though that the college student being taught ( I assume P.H.D students) by a college professors on how to become professors themselves have earned their way there by getting an undergrad degree. (btw, a student earning a teaching degree as undergraduate has to pass other prerequisites to continue.)

        Many of these MMO coaches are taking complete newbies with zero experience, zero success, ( or even zero failures)

        They have never done anything. And they are teaching them how to coach others,
        which is ridiculous , imo.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    Originally Posted by Melody View Post

    The "Coach" really and truly wants us to succeed
    That should be decided by virtue of their Program/Support/Etc. and not necessarily the Marketing. (Some Coaches really do want their People to succeed.)
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    Hear! Hear!

    Starting this very moment, I will coach anyone who can fog a mirror how to avoid getting coaching pitches in their email box. I will do it for a measly $1,997 (or you can pay in 4 installments of $527).

    If you purchase today, I'll throw in my 2017 Me Calendar (includes 12 photos of me in No-Coach-Pitches-in-My-Inbox poses) for free (value of $277).

    If that's too much for you, you can sign up for my video course Koach Destructor 5000, a 7 week video course, for a measly $7.97 a week. That's right, folks, for less than 2 Starbucks white chocolate mochas you can learn all I know about how to avoid coach pitches in your email box.

    Offer good through midnight tonight, so act fast. A small investment now will bring you years and years of peace of mind.

    PS You won't find an offer like this anywhere else. If you're among the first 10 to order, I'll throw in a 15-minute one-on-one coaching session (value of $4,000).
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    • Profile picture of the author Melody
      LOL - now THIS is a coaching offer I can get behind!

      Again, I have no issue with coaching programs - with the right person/team/program, it's a great way to further your education and (hopefully) help put you on the fast track to success more quickly.

      What I am tired of is the approach that so many seem to take, that they are selling you this expensive course out of the 'goodness of their heart".

      Be honest - the course cost $5k because you are successful and have proven that you know what you are doing and are willing to share that expertise with 20 people and make $100k while doing it.

      It's the marketing tactic, not the concept of coaching that I take issue with.

      Mel

      Originally Posted by DABK View Post

      Hear! Hear!

      Starting this very moment, I will coach anyone who can fog a mirror how to avoid getting coaching pitches in their email box. I will do it for a measly $1,997 (or you can pay in 4 installments of $527).

      If you purchase today, I'll throw in my 2017 Me Calendar (includes 12 photos of me in No-Coach-Pitches-in-My-Inbox poses) for free (value of $277).

      If that's too much for you, you can sign up for my video course Koach Destructor 5000, a 7 week video course, for a measly $7.97 a week. That's right, folks, for less than 2 Starbucks white chocolate mochas you can learn all I know about how to avoid coach pitches in your email box.

      Offer good through midnight tonight, so act fast. A small investment now will bring you years and years of peace of mind.

      PS You won't find an offer like this anywhere else. If you're among the first 10 to order, I'll throw in a 15-minute one-on-one coaching session (value of $4,000).
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        Only 2 things can be true based on your response:
        You're one hell of a cynic
        or
        Coaches who do things out of the goodness of their hearts are liars. Hm, I wonder which one can be. Which one?

        Things seem to go in cycles here too. Years ago, there was plenty of out-of-the-goodness-of-my-heart coaching. Then it disappeared. Red Ferrari's and McMansions in the background appeared... By appeared, I mean, it seemed everyone was doing them... Then the once-homeless-now-a-millionaire twist appeared... The last 2 coexisted for a while, in my world...

        The good of heart are back in good numbers, the others don't seem to have disappeared, though I see fewer of them... It might be just me, the cycle might not have ended.



        Originally Posted by Melody View Post

        LOL - now THIS is a coaching offer I can get behind!

        Again, I have no issue with coaching programs - with the right person/team/program, it's a great way to further your education and (hopefully) help put you on the fast track to success more quickly.

        What I am tired of is the approach that so many seem to take, that they are selling you this expensive course out of the 'goodness of their heart".

        Be honest - the course cost $5k because you are successful and have proven that you know what you are doing and are willing to share that expertise with 20 people and make $100k while doing it.

        It's the marketing tactic, not the concept of coaching that I take issue with.

        Mel
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by DABK View Post

          Things seem to go in cycles here too. Years ago, there was plenty of out-of-the-goodness-of-my-heart coaching. Then it disappeared. Red Ferrari's and McMansions in the background appeared... By appeared, I mean, it seemed everyone was doing them... Then the once-homeless-now-a-millionaire twist appeared... The last 2 coexisted for a while, in my world...
          These are all variations of the classic "hero story", a staple of copywriting for business opportunities.

          Too many times the McMansion is holding an open house and both the Ferrari and the hot girlfriend are rentals.

          And way too many people, especially around here, operate under the theory that "if Joe Gooroo did it, it must work" or "if so many people do it, it must work". Problem is, they don't know if they're looking at a failed test or a bunch of monkey-see-monkey-do copycats.

          Add in a dash of desperation and a pinch of hope, and you have a recipe for shearing the sheep.

          As Harvey Mackay titled one of his books, "beware the naked man who offers you his shirt."
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          • Profile picture of the author DABK
            Why is $5,000 too much in the general way you say it is?

            An extreme example but if you taught me how to make $500,000 by the end of the next week, I'd think you were crazy to only charge $5,000 for it.

            Originally Posted by pawandave View Post

            I agree fee around $500 is not bad many people afford this BUT really $1000 or $5000 is too much...

            However, you can not deny importance of coaching, if that worth at that . It is better than $7 or $10 or $37 WSO because many people (including me) buy this and they eat dirt on table.
            Yeah, people copy stupidly all the time. Sometimes, the results are truly amazingly funny, sometimes, they're just stoopid and boring.

            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            These are all variations of the classic "hero story", a staple of copywriting for business opportunities.

            Too many times the McMansion is holding an open house and both the Ferrari and the hot girlfriend are rentals.

            And way too many people, especially around here, operate under the theory that "if Joe Gooroo did it, it must work" or "if so many people do it, it must work". Problem is, they don't know if they're looking at a failed test or a bunch of monkey-see-monkey-do copycats.

            Add in a dash of desperation and a pinch of hope, and you have a recipe for shearing the sheep.

            As Harvey Mackay titled one of his books, "beware the naked man who offers you his shirt."
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  • Profile picture of the author matteomatt
    I am VERY selective in ever spending money on guides / coaching. I like to learn things myself.

    I think for someone with alot to learn, coaching can be crucial. However, it seems most IM coaches charge a fortune. I try to save money i spend on IM for actual tools, but sometimes you gotta spend money to learn.

    My thing is, I can't ever trust that the guru will deliver, 9/10 IM e-books end up being stuff I already know, but only because I spend too much time on forums.
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Well i also found diferent gurus where they make seminars where they pretent that will help you to make avalanche of cash ,then after you lose like 2 hours at that seminars saying to you how succesful it is and how much money he made ,then it present you with his coaching oferr with cost like 1000$ per his sytem .I hate this ,i am agree that he put work in hys system but at least when you promise that you will make a seminar to help people tell them that you will sell them a 1000$ system that probablly will not work how its promised .
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    I love coaches with no or little feedback who have been on here for weeks!
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  • Profile picture of the author menjac21
    honestly we all have to put the work if we want results without putting time in the hardest thing that brings us the biggest result nothing is gonna happen yes we have to work a lot to create big result in internet marketing but the reality is that all this work gets us the biggest results when you put the same efforts in a production job like warehouse job your just gonnna get the hour pay but for us its the compound effect like all the job we put in is an effect along the year not just for an hour
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  • Profile picture of the author Ames
    Originally Posted by Melody View Post

    The "Coach" has made oodles of money and really just wants to share the wealth
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    And the coach will share that wealth for just $997 or six easy payments of just $247.
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    • Profile picture of the author Melody
      Originally Posted by Ames View Post

      And the coach will share that wealth for just $997 or six easy payments of just $247.
      I love it when they add the 'easy payment plan' a week after the program launch 'due to customer demand' which translated means= 'damn...nobody is buying this at $997, let's see who will cough up $247'......

      LOL and yes, the old broad is getting cynical after being in ecommerce since 1992.....

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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Melody View Post

        I love it when they add the 'easy payment plan' a week after the program launch 'due to customer demand' which translated means= 'damn...nobody is buying this at $997, let's see who will cough up $247'......

        LOL and yes, the old broad is getting cynical after being in ecommerce since 1992.....

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        Mel, not cynical at all. Your just being brutally ( to the perpetrators as least ) truthful is all
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  • Profile picture of the author prestige00
    To add to this coaching crap...........the thing that people and most coaches or mentors don't understand is that those that do spend 5k or even 10k also tend to not do anything also after what they've been coached on. There are some out there that are just not up for the task. Its not in there blood. There has to be some kind of mind shift for these peeps or they need to find themselves in this weird world we call life.

    So maybe, coaches should understand and also account for the losses and risks that come with the territory if they decide to take on students. Its a process that takes time and it will not always be 100 percent successful...........some will just fall off. Its a given. take it and move on. But this notion that some coaches feel their time wasted because they coached.....c'mon its like anything, it won't happen 100 percent right away.
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  • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
    if you truly want to help a few truly deserving and desperate people - then find a few people that REALLY need your help, and lift them up by the bootstraps!

    Believe it or not - there are actually people that DO need help and are willing to work their tails off for the privilege of learning this business.....but they are not the ones that can afford to spend $5k on your coaching program.
    What a lot of folks who haven't themselves been coaches don't realize is that though the above sounds very reasonable, it has a flaw: When people do not have "skin in the game" - ie when they have spent no money on help that they're getting - they strongly tend not to stick with the effort. The more people spend, the more committed they generally become to making the effort work.

    This holds true regardless of whether or not some guru is receiving the money. In other words, it would hold true whether the payments went to the guru or to charity.

    I saw this principle in play when a community college president in Massachusetts wrote an op-ed piece on some politician's proposal to have free college tuition. You would probably figure he supported this idea, right? In fact, he opposed it and argued that free college tuition would lead to a much higher dropout rate and poorer outcomes for students. Precisely because of this factor of "having skin in the game" or not. If I remember correctly, he provided some research evidence backing up his view.

    Now that's food for thought, don't you think?

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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Skin in the game, though, is relative.

      If you can make $1,000 a month, $100 is more skin in the game than $500 when you can make $10,000 in a month.

      I would replace skin in the game (though that's the most common, easiest way to understand) with strong reason to be signing up from coaching.

      I had skin in the game to the tune of $5,500 for some coaching a few years ago. I did not complete the work. I hated losing the $5,500 but I had n o strong reason to actually do it. (Yup, external forces at work.)

      Showed up for 3 session, skipped the last 7. Only thing I got out of that: Tell external forces no, unless they're aligned with what I want.

      Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

      What a lot of folks who haven't themselves been coaches don't realize is that though the above sounds very reasonable, it has a flaw: When people do not have "skin in the game" - ie when they have spent no money on help that they're getting - they strongly tend not to stick with the effort. The more people spend, the more committed they generally become to making the effort work.

      This holds true regardless of whether or not some guru is receiving the money. In other words, it would hold true whether the payments went to the guru or to charity.

      I saw this principle in play when a community college president in Massachusetts wrote an op-ed piece on some politician's proposal to have free college tuition. You would probably figure he supported this idea, right? In fact, he opposed it and argued that free college tuition would lead to a much higher dropout rate and poorer outcomes for students. Precisely because of this factor of "having skin in the game" or not. If I remember correctly, he provided some research evidence backing up his view.

      Now that's food for thought, don't you think?

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  • Profile picture of the author KennyAmy
    Great post Melody.

    Coaching will only work for action taker. Unfortunately, there are some "gurus" or "coaches" out there are just looking to make some quick "coaching" bucks by charging 4 figures. I mean if they don't have anything to offer, don't offer at all.
    It is amazing that how most of the "coaches" today coach for a living when they don't do what they preach to make money online.

    Being a coach myself, I strongly believe that the students' success is my success. Nothing beats a good 100% genuine video testimonials :-) ha!

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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

    What a lot of folks who haven't themselves been coaches don't realize is that though the above sounds very reasonable, it has a flaw: When people do not have "skin in the game" - ie when they have spent no money on help that they're getting - they strongly tend not to stick with the effort. The more people spend, the more committed they generally become to making the effort work.

    This holds true regardless of whether or not some guru is receiving the money. In other words, it would hold true whether the payments went to the guru or to charity.

    I saw this principle in play when a community college president in Massachusetts wrote an op-ed piece on some politician's proposal to have free college tuition. You would probably figure he supported this idea, right? In fact, he opposed it and argued that free college tuition would lead to a much higher dropout rate and poorer outcomes for students. Precisely because of this factor of "having skin in the game" or not. If I remember correctly, he provided some research evidence backing up his view.

    Now that's food for thought, don't you think?

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    Marcia, it's funny you should use this example. I'm living proof that it can be true.

    When I got out of high school, my folks gave me a free ride - paid my tuition, books, free room and board. All I had to do was make progress toward my degree. Instead, I majored in frat parties and minored in skipping classes to sleep it off. After five quarters, I got an invitation from the university to take a year off to think about what I wanted to do.

    Fast forward a few years. I went back to school, paying my own way. Since the school only reported the most recent grade for any one course, I spent the first year retaking courses I bombed the first time around. Then I spent five years finishing a four year degree because I had to work to both pay for school and help support myself and my wife. I did get that degree the second time around.

    I'd like to say I was simply more mature, but the main reason I buckled down was that this time, it was our money on the line. This time, if I failed a course it was because I simply failed the course. Not because I was too hung over to pay attention or missed class entirely because I slept in.
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