The Sudden Influx of PostCards!

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I guess a lot of marketers have piled into a making money with postcard marketing type learning course as recently I've had an influx of postcards.

Anyone else been doing this type of marketing recently?

Mark
#influx #postcards #sudden
  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Lol... internet marketers discover direct mail.

    The next thing we know... JV's and affiliate marketing will be called sales channel marketing.

    What's the world coming to?
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  • Profile picture of the author misterwrecker
    I think the OP is referring to online marketers that are promoting their business offline....not sure if that's what he means though.



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    • Profile picture of the author Sean A McAlister
      As a matter a fact I just got one today for a JV....

      I get about 1 per month but this was the first for a JV Invite..

      Pretty good one too!
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      • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
        Postcards rock! I have notice a bunch of big names going to postcards in this tough time for the cost savings.

        I mean you can send a letter for a buck or a postcard for 35 cents (US prices). Not hard to figure out what to do.

        I know Bed Bath & Beyond hits me with a card every 3 weeks or so and I usually take them up on their 20% off deal.

        Postcards can be a great way to get people to call you or drive traffic to your website. I am using them in a different way which I'll cover at the Warrior Forum event.

        Tim
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        • Profile picture of the author Jhf14
          Originally Posted by TimCastleman View Post

          Postcards rock! I have notice a bunch of big names going to postcards in this tough time for the cost savings.

          I mean you can send a letter for a buck or a postcard for 35 cents (US prices). Not hard to figure out what to do.

          I know Bed Bath & Beyond hits me with a card every 3 weeks or so and I usually take them up on their 20% off deal.

          Postcards can be a great way to get people to call you or drive traffic to your website. I am using them in a different way which I'll cover at the Warrior Forum event.

          Tim
          Tim knows his stuff... Ive been fortunate enough to get some of his postcard advice and I can say that he has it down to a science. I think the cost savings are one great thing about postcards, but the other is that everyone is os used to envelopes, that a postcard is a nice change... also, you cant hide behind a postcard in any way... it says what it says you either take action or you let it go to the round file cabinet
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Anderson
    well put it this way the biggest virus i ever got was via a postcard, so you can understand that i might never get the courage to open one ever again

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    • Profile picture of the author AmyBrown
      Originally Posted by Kingdom_Mines View Post

      Would you open an attachment from someone you never knew, i would not, this postcard thing is a pipe dream sold by some coaching individual, i would not waste your time with it.

      Ricky
      I'm not sure what you're referring to but I believe the OP is talking about physical postcards. Certainly not a pipe dream based on the number I receive from a variety of companies on a daily basis as well as my own results.
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        • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
          Originally Posted by Kingdom_Mines View Post

          I thought he was talking about e-postcards

          But even if he is talking about physical postcards in your mailbox, i would really just throw them away not bother to look at them

          Consumers are very sophisticated these days, marketing strategies from the 80s is not going to work anymore

          Its good that you got results from it but for me i would prefer something on more solid ground than on sifting sand, maybe its just me

          Ricky

          Postcards work. Period.

          Direct mail works.

          In fact, in this e-media saturated era, being where your competition is not has a dramatic benefit.

          But targeting your market before you send is an absolute.

          Postcards work because they don't need to be opened.
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        • Profile picture of the author AmyBrown
          Originally Posted by Kingdom_Mines View Post

          I thought he was talking about e-postcards

          But even if he is talking about physical postcards in your mailbox, i would really just throw them away not bother to look at them

          Consumers are very sophisticated these days, marketing strategies from the 80s is not going to work anymore

          Its good that you got results from it but for me i would prefer something on more solid ground than on sifting sand, maybe its just me

          Ricky
          A sifting sand analogy from a gemstone miner, simply priceless! Speaking of solid ground, do your sophisticated customers not notice that you use free hosting for your business site?
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        • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
          Originally Posted by Kingdom_Mines View Post

          Consumers are very sophisticated these days, marketing strategies from the 80s is not going to work anymore
          This is utterly ignorant advice best ignored completely.

          Stick to gems, Ricky....

          Really. Do.

          Best,

          Brian <- Stuck in the 80's
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          • Profile picture of the author Kingdom_Mines
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            • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
              Originally Posted by Kingdom_Mines View Post

              And how long have you been in business,
              Long enough to have sold 9 figures mailing millions of those little pieces of paper you find so useless, Einstein.

              better question were you even born before 1965?
              No. That's an irrelevant and meaningless question.

              I guess you would know better
              1 out of three ain't bad, I guess.

              Funny, I thought at 39 I had forever outgrown the 'hotshot kid"
              mantle. Approaching middle-age, I kind of like it now.

              So, thanks for that. Feels sort of like being carded.

              Like I said, stick to gems.

              It's what you know.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kingdom_Mines
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                • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
                  Originally Posted by Kingdom_Mines View Post

                  9 figures??

                  So you made US $100 million, yes we all believe you

                  Ricky
                  You really aren't too bright, are you?

                  Let me help you out, in your advancing age...

                  When you SELL 9 figures, that represents REVENUE.

                  As in SALES revenue...

                  The kind that clients hire you to create for them.

                  And I could not care less what you believe.

                  Moreover, you don't speak for the forum, so drop the
                  "we". You've been here for a few days...

                  Brian
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                  • Profile picture of the author jan_soo
                    Hi all,

                    So... is it E-postcard or physical postcards you are talking about here? I'm not too sure if physical ones can make that kind of revenue. I'm definitely sceptical... Hmm...
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                    • Profile picture of the author lukyjoe
                      I have a question for BrianMcLeod or anybody with good experience in postcards advertising:
                      I have an offline business and I used postcards before. I'm wondering if you have any tips or advice to make them work better or pull more?
                      also do you have any raccomendation to any courses that cover this issue?
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                      • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
                        Originally Posted by lukyjoe View Post

                        I have a question for BrianMcLeod or anybody with good experience in postcards advertising:
                        I have an offline business and I used postcards before. I'm wondering if you have any tips or advice to make them work better or pull more?
                        also do you have any raccomendation to any courses that cover this issue?
                        One, call me.

                        Two, if at all possible, use a phone number for your call to action.

                        Three, use a postcard as a post-sale follow up.

                        Four, mail quick hand-written postcards to prospects or customers you make sales calls to. You can design and print a nice looking "blank", and write them a quick "call me" note as you leave messages or hang up with a prospect. (this is huge if you do telemarketing).

                        Does that help?

                        I'd need to know more about your business to give you any kind of concrete advice.

                        Best,

                        Brian
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                        • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
                          Guys I only chime in here because I wrote a book on postcard marketing.

                          Postcards can be a cash cow. Here are two things that I haven't seen discussed here.

                          1. It's a numbers game, I send out 1000 cards every two weeks. Sometimes I get 20 calls, sometimes 2. Depends on a lot of factors.

                          2. It's a numbers game. If you sell a $27 product don't bother with postcards, but if you sell a $2700 product you can make money. What you charge for your product or services dictates what you make. Figure $350 for every 1000 cards with a 1-2% response when figuring out if it is profitable or not to do it.

                          Hope that helps.

                          Tim
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                          • Profile picture of the author TyBrown
                            Originally Posted by TimCastleman View Post

                            2. It's a numbers game. If you sell a $27 product don't bother with postcards, but if you sell a $2700 product you can make money. What you charge for your product or services dictates what you make. Figure $350 for every 1000 cards with a 1-2% response when figuring out if it is profitable or not to do it.
                            Help me understand the math. Are you saying that if you were to get a 1% conversion and that conversion equaled $350 in profit or more it may be a worthwhile endeavor?

                            Where do you stand on prices in between your two parameters of $27 and $2700? I'm looking at selling a product in the neighborhood of $147-$197. Anecdotally, have you seen that as being a price point that has had success? Obviously I know it would depend on the product and it's ability to convert, but from a price platform alone, have you seen products in those ranges become winners?

                            Thanks
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                            • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
                              Ty -

                              My bottom product that I sell is $455. No lower. Most are $700-$1350. Figure $350 out of that for postage, another $100 or so for overhead and since I sell a service I have very little equipment cost.

                              Anything with 3 numbers and a 1 in front is going to be a hard sell. Price it at $350 min so you can break even with one sale.

                              Tim
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                        • Profile picture of the author dv8
                          Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

                          Two, if at all possible, use a phone number for your call to action.
                          Yup.

                          You can even set up a 1-800 # for them to call to get more info. "24 Hour Free Recorded Message" is very powerful on a postcard.

                          I've used Kall8.com in the past, about $5 a month. I've also used AutomaticRepsonse.com...they are the best, imo, if want more than just an 1-800 #. But, a bit pricey. I think I was paying $96 a month, plus a set up a fee.

                          If you just need a 1-800 and voicemail, go with Kall8.com or RingCentral.com
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                        • Profile picture of the author TyBrown
                          Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

                          One, call me.

                          Two, if at all possible, use a phone number for your call to action.

                          Three, use a postcard as a post-sale follow up.

                          Four, mail quick hand-written postcards to prospects or customers you make sales calls to. You can design and print a nice looking "blank", and write them a quick "call me" note as you leave messages or hang up with a prospect. (this is huge if you do telemarketing).

                          Does that help?

                          I'd need to know more about your business to give you any kind of concrete advice.

                          Best,

                          Brian
                          Have you ever split test an 800 number vs. a landing page on a website? Do you know if it makes a difference to have an 800 number with a live person or a recorded message?
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                    • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
                      Originally Posted by jan_soo View Post

                      Hi all,

                      So... is it E-postcard or physical postcards you are talking about here? I'm not too sure if physical ones can make that kind of revenue. I'm definitely sceptical... Hmm...
                      Haysoos Creestos...

                      Heads Up: We're talking about physical postcards, as in direct mail.

                      We're NOT talking about postcards generating "that kind" or any specific kind of revenue.

                      We're talking about the efficacy of adding postcards -- and by extension, direct mail -- into your marketing mix.

                      If you can't conceive of doing business on a scale that generates 9 figures in sales over the span of a career... I can't help you with that.

                      If you'd like to know whether or not it's worth testing some direct mail strategies in your market... THAT I can help you with.

                      In fact, I'll do so now...

                      I will wager that most of you have an entire mailing list of all your paypal customers with shipping addresses that you've never mailed a THING to.

                      Some of you probably have a LOT of them, going back years.

                      Are you getting any ideas here?

                      In direct mail, you have an ageless communication channel, one that works on an entirely different psychological level than email or websites do... and it's sitting there.

                      Postcards don't have to be opened. They're the cheapest, easiest thing to mail.

                      They work. Especially for getting people to pick up the phone and call (hint).

                      If you're not used to paying for your traffic, or spending any money marketing to your existing customers this is going to sound terribly risky.

                      But if you already pay for traffic in the form of pay-per-click, outsourced SEO or content creation, etc... Direct mail may be a revelatory experience for you.

                      You can clawback some of that lead cost by squeezing a few more dollars out of your lifetime customer value.

                      Right now, your mind is probably already starting to click with ideas.

                      Try thinking in these terms... if you have the list already, your costs are going to be limited to the printing of the postcard and first-class postage:

                      USPS - First-Class Mail Prices

                      48hourprinting.com|Your #1 Source for Full Color Business Cards, Fliers, Posters, Postcards, Presentation Folders and Custom Printing

                      1000 4x6 postcards with postage is going to cost you around $400 give or take.

                      If you already ship to your customers, you're in REALLY good shape, because you can start sending ride-alongs for nothing but the cost of the printing.

                      A ride-along is just a promotional piece that "rides along" with the primary thing being mailed, goods or packages, an invoice, whatever.

                      All that "crap" you get with your credit card bill... ride-alongs. STUDY THEM.

                      Anyhoo... Maybe this will give some of you some clever inspiration.

                      Let me know if it does.

                      Best,

                      Brian
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                      • Profile picture of the author milkyway
                        Brian,

                        Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

                        I will wager that most of you have an entire mailing list of all your paypal customers with shipping addresses that you've never mailed a THING to.
                        Not sure if I misunderstand you here... Does this mean that you get the customers shipping address from Paypal? I just checked the IPNs I get, and they only contain firstname, lastname, email and country of residence.

                        Is there any way to get paypal to send me more information? I haven't found any options in their interface. Or is paypal Germany just handling this differently?

                        Thanks,

                        milkyway

                        PS: I agree with Tim -- a very valuable thread. Thanks to everybody who is contributing!
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                • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
                  Originally Posted by Kingdom_Mines View Post

                  9 figures??

                  So you made US $100 million, yes we all believe you

                  Ricky
                  Ricky, in 1999 I merged the web development company that I had started with a direct marketing publishing company called Reach Publishing. The two partners that started it are MBAs in Marketing from Miami of Ohio, and had built the company to about $60 million per year in sales at that point. They're double that now. They own about 1/3 of the top markets for this little franchise thing called Val-Pak. They also put out these coupon shopper magazines and other content-driven niche interest publications. They had zero web activity before I came along.

                  This is where I learned direct marketing fundamentals and how it worked on a scale most here have not and will not ever touch in their lifetimes.

                  I'm here to tell you that direct mail marketing works.


                  Originally Posted by lukyjoe View Post

                  I have a question for BrianMcLeod or anybody with good experience in postcards advertising:
                  I have an offline business and I used postcards before. I'm wondering if you have any tips or advice to make them work better or pull more?
                  also do you have any raccomendation to any courses that cover this issue?
                  Get as narrow of a target that you can possibly get.

                  Make it SIMPLE. Big, bold call to action directing them to a website or calling a # for more information about a very specific offer.

                  GO TO WWW.CORNPOO.COM FOR A FREE XYZ.

                  That's it. Nothing more complex. This is not the vehicle to send your life's story.

                  Dan Kennedy has probably the best stuff I've seen to date.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Kingdom_Mines View Post

              Try building your customers base instead of focussing of nitty gritty details .
              I can only imagine the credibility boost your customer base gets out of the sponsored links on your site but anyway. Two things

              A) What makes you think postcards are 80s? So was mail. Mailman doesn't deliver to your house anymore?
              B) Why so new here and so hostile?
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              • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
                I've used Kall8.com in the past, about $5 a month. I've also used AutomaticRepsonse.com...they are the best, imo, if want more than just an 1-800 #. But, a bit pricey. I think I was paying $96 a month, plus a set up a fee.
                $96 a month. Ouch. Mine is $13 bucks and includes MP3 copies of the voice mail sent to me 30 seconds after they hang up.

                I drive all my clients to a recorded message. More of a response because they don't have to talk to a live human.
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                • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
                  Guys -

                  A small request. This is a valuable thread that has some real world knowledge, can we stop bashing each other so this thing doesn't go the way of my ex-wife and get 86'd. Thank you.

                  Tim
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                • Profile picture of the author dv8
                  Originally Posted by TimCastleman View Post

                  $96 a month. Ouch. Mine is $13 bucks and includes MP3 copies of the voice mail sent to me 30 seconds after they hang up.

                  I drive all my clients to a recorded message. More of a response because they don't have to talk to a live human.
                  $13?!?!

                  Did they change their pricing or something?

                  I used them about 3 years ago. It was either $7X or $96 a month. I honestly forget, have to see if I can find old receipts.

                  I'm pretty sure I paid a hefty set up fee as well. Something like $250.
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                  • Profile picture of the author dv8
                    Originally Posted by dv8 View Post

                    $13?!?!

                    Did they change their pricing or something?

                    I used them about 3 years ago. It was either $7X or $96 a month. I honestly forget, have to see if I can find old receipts.

                    I'm pretty sure I paid a hefty set up fee as well. Something like $250.
                    I was wrong initially. Found an old receipt.

                    I paid $72 per month, this was back in late 2006.

                    Breakdown:

                    200 minutes - $44
                    Monthly Service Fee - $18
                    Voice Broadcast - $10
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            • Profile picture of the author TyBrown
              Originally Posted by Kingdom_Mines View Post

              From your line you answered above its clearly you need people to tell you where to spend your money. Most of the other people i know have free will.

              Thank You for confirming my thoughts

              Ricky
              Bro, when you're beat you're beat. Own up to it and stop digging deeper.

              I've never done postcards but I know they work because of clients that I have who make millions with postcards and physical mailing lists.

              Go buy a book by Dan Kennedy and read what he's done with mailers, post cards, etc.

              If they really didn't work then there wouldn't be scores of marketers who can demonstrate amazing returns.

              You're free will comment is a little nuts, too. Did reading the post card and deciding to purchase something from Staples take away his free will?
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          • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
            Ricky -

            Looks like you're taking a beating here on the whole postcard thing. I use them today (like I just mailed out yesterday) and they still make me a ton of money for not that much money out.

            Your mileage may vary depending on your offer, list, etc. I bet if you sent out a postcard with your jewerly and prices of them you'd get some serious business.

            Of course you have to make it believeable and more but I bet you could do that.

            Good luck!

            Tim
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        • Profile picture of the author dv8
          Originally Posted by Kingdom_Mines View Post

          I thought he was talking about e-postcards

          But even if he is talking about physical postcards in your mailbox, i would really just throw them away not bother to look at them

          Consumers are very sophisticated these days, marketing strategies from the 80s is not going to work anymore

          Its good that you got results from it but for me i would prefer something on more solid ground than on sifting sand, maybe its just me

          Ricky
          Others already beat me to it, but I'll add that you are wrong. There are plenty of people that use postcard marketing/direct mail successfully.

          Please don't post things that are not true. It would be unfortunate to have someone with no experience come along and read it and believe it to be true.
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        • Profile picture of the author lisag
          Originally Posted by Kingdom_Mines View Post

          I thought he was talking about e-postcards

          But even if he is talking about physical postcards in your mailbox, i would really just throw them away not bother to look at them

          Consumers are very sophisticated these days, marketing strategies from the 80s is not going to work anymore

          Its good that you got results from it but for me i would prefer something on more solid ground than on sifting sand, maybe its just me

          Ricky
          Postcards continue to be successful regardless of the "era". Direct mail is a proven success and it will be for some time to come until all the baby boomers are dead and only the people who speak in "text message" rule the world.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidomni
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    I actually just got into postcard marketing with CPA offer's...

    One of the easiest ways to make money with postcards is to use a list broker...

    This way you will get targeted traffic. Here's a good list broker

    NextMark - Buy Mailing Lists, Sell Mailing Lists, Learn About Mailing Lists is a good one. Get a list with email and address, this way you will know they have the internet! Also do your demographic research, use quantcast...

    Additionally the best niches to work with are:
    1) Health, Wellness & Nutrition - Best
    2) Business Opportunity - Better
    3) Government Grants - Good

    Hope this helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author TyBrown
      Originally Posted by davidomni View Post

      I actually just got into postcard marketing with CPA offer's...

      One of the easiest ways to make money with postcards is to use a list broker...

      This way you will get targeted traffic. Here's a good list broker

      NextMark - Buy Mailing Lists, Sell Mailing Lists, Learn About Mailing Lists is a good one. Get a list with email and address, this way you will know they have the internet! Also do your demographic research, use quantcast...

      Additionally the best niches to work with are:
      1) Health, Wellness & Nutrition - Best
      2) Business Opportunity - Better
      3) Government Grants - Good

      Hope this helps!
      Are you comfortable sharing a bit of your process on this? I recently had an idea to use postcards with a CPA list as well. It involved generating leads, telemarketing to those leads, then mailing to the list on the leads that didn't buy. What is your process and what do you find to be the most effective?
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  • Profile picture of the author katiec
    I have been sampling with some postcards. I have gotten about a 1-2% response rate thus far.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheMagicShow
    Direct mail marketers are internet marketers, internet marketers are direct mail marketers. Postcards do work and the right offer can definitely put some money in your pockets.

    One of the mistakes, many make when trying to find Jvs -- is that they swamp the jv with emails that never get opened, and most of the time get deleted.

    Next time try sending a postcard to your potential jv partner, this will make you standout compared to your competition. I believe Alex Mandossian has a good product that teaches effective postcard marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
      Mel -

      I have Alex's product. IT is good but two things I don't like about it.

      1. The price
      2. It is out of date. It hasn't been updated in at least 5 years if I remember correctly.

      At any rate I got tired of it all and wrote my own book and so far the response has been positive. Since postcards bring me 95% of my business and have since day 1 I figure I know a thing or two about them.

      I did a WSO two weeks ago on it but I think it has fallen off to page 9 or 10 now. At any rate it's a good read but of course I am not exactly a third party to it.

      At any rate, in 2009 postcards still work.

      Tim
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      • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
        DV -

        I was watching a DVD with Dan Kennedy on it today and he said the following. "Every conversation with me begins with a check."

        I put it in my resource guide for offline marketing but I am sorry I can't give away what others have paid for. Hope you understand.
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        • Profile picture of the author dv8
          Originally Posted by TimCastleman View Post

          DV -

          I was watching a DVD with Dan Kennedy on it today and he said the following. "Every conversation with me begins with a check."

          I put it in my resource guide for offline marketing but I am sorry I can't give away what others have paid for. Hope you understand.
          I get the point you are trying to make. But the comparison isn't a good one imo. I don't see the correlation between speaking with a marketing legend who charges at least $8,000 a day to talk to him and asking you for a simple link to voice mail provider you had to comment about in regards to my post.

          But whatever, you are obviously free to do what you want. I'm pretty sure I know what it is anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr.Tambourine
    Oh ! that is a leap into the past ! Wonder where they got your address from !
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Olson
    This is a very informative thread and I appreciate the input, especially from some of you who are experienced with postcard marketing. I think this is the first detailed thread on the forum so far. It's a marketing medium that most internet marketers seem to ignore.

    This is something I've been interested in for a while. I'm particularly interested in combining postcard marketing with cpa offers. I'm studying some info by Luke Jaten and there was a WSO I believe called CPA Prophet that goes into this.

    Any input on combining postcard marketing with cpa? Can the postcards be effective with just a website url on them? I'm going to test it soon with a targeted list, so any suggestions are greatly appreciated...

    Matt
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
      Originally Posted by Wesley Dewsnup View Post

      This is nothing more than a rebirth of time tested and proven offline marketing means. Just being applied by a different group of individuals is all.
      Hence my first post statement.

      There's absolutely nothing new here.

      There's a crop of people discovering it that never knew about it. There's a crop of people touting expertise in it that are dwarfed by longtime, existing players.

      I even include Dan Kennedy in that statement - yes, strong words.

      Don't get me wrong. Dan Kennedy is a smart guy and has been successful. He understands marketing and how to sell. He has created a great business for himself and knows his market as a "how-to" instructional info-guru go to guy. I am certain that he's built his business the way that he has for himself, for his own reasons and purposes, and that he's not in competition with anyone per se.

      But, when it comes to direct mail and direct print marketing, there are players out there that most people have never heard about, who pocket more money annually than Dan has earned in his lifetime. I am certain that Dan, himself, would acknowledge this statement.

      The DMA (Direct Marketing Association) has a roster full. Most of the people I am talking about own large, privately-held corporations, and have built brands around their actual company instead of themselves personally.

      That's the funny thing about this "internet marketing" crowd. It's pretty incestuous in its thinking. I think the fact that so many people involved in internet marketing live and breathe technology and bleeding edge stuff, that they lose sight and perspective of a much larger, pre-existing world. And just because the internet has brought more efficiency and metrics to certain aspects of marketing & sales, it doesn't mean that the rest of the world is somehow stupid or unsuccessful. I've observed a particular level of elitist arrogance that comes along with a large contingency of the internet marketing crowd that is simply circus clown laughable.

      So you happen to know how to get Joe Bob's Discount Shoe Parlor to the first page of Google.

      Big freaking deal.

      Reebok is still ahead of both you and Joe Bob.



      Originally Posted by Matthew Olson View Post

      This is a very informative thread and I appreciate the input, especially from some of you who are experienced with postcard marketing. I think this is the first detailed thread on the forum so far. It's a marketing medium that most internet marketers seem to ignore.

      This is something I've been interested in for a while. I'm particularly interested in combining postcard marketing with cpa offers. I'm studying some info by Luke Jaten and there was a WSO I believe called CPA Prophet that goes into this.

      Any input on combining postcard marketing with cpa? Can the postcards be effective with just a website url on them? I'm going to test it soon with a targeted list, so any suggestions are greatly appreciated...

      Matt

      Yes a postcard can be effective with minimal copy driving traffic to a web URL.

      TARGETING... that is the key.

      If I randomly sent you a postcard offering you a semi flat bed load of giant concrete road culverts, chances are that even if they were free, you'd probably pass.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Riddle
    Related but slightly off from Post Cards, when I was in a different business I used to get Card decks (a bunch of post cards in one package) with all kinds of various offers.

    I just realized that I haven't gotten any lately, It could be because I am not in that industry anymore or perhaps the card deck model has changed.

    Seems like card decks may be a way to go if we are looking for a specific biz to go after such as cosmetic dentistry etc.

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    • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
      Mark -

      I think you are correct about card decks. They are cheap but rarely read. I looked into them but decided against them. And the stuff they sale for the most part is 4 figures.

      Tim
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Riddle
        Tim,

        Thanks for your answer, That does make sense. I was in the plastic - screen printing - chemicals business and yes most of the items were probably in the 4 figure range.

        Sounds like not a good match for consulting.

        Mark Riddle

        Originally Posted by TimCastleman View Post

        Mark -

        I think you are correct about card decks. They are cheap but rarely read. I looked into them but decided against them. And the stuff they sale for the most part is 4 figures.

        Tim
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        • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
          Mark -

          The one I am thinking about was dealing with lawn equipment, power tools, etc. I don't ever remember seeing one that was for higher end services or business services.
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          • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
            Dave -

            I don't have a problem with my cards being thrown away. I look at my desk full of business cards and then my fridge that has 3 postcards stuck to it and wonder which is better.

            Bet if they combined both of them it would have a lasting effect.

            Tim
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by TyBrown View Post

            Help me understand the math. Are you saying that if you were to get a 1% conversion and that conversion equaled $350 in profit or more it may be a worthwhile endeavor?

            Where do you stand on prices in between your two parameters of $27 and $2700? I'm looking at selling a product in the neighborhood of $147-$197. Anecdotally, have you seen that as being a price point that has had success? Obviously I know it would depend on the product and it's ability to convert, but from a price platform alone, have you seen products in those ranges become winners?

            Thanks
            Ty, where that threshold lands depends a lot on your business model and the lifetime value of a customer.

            You've already seen the example of a one-off purchase (even if there is a back end, it's not figured in.)

            Another example would be a continuity-type offer, like, say, magazines, newspapers, newsletters, etc.

            Say you have a monthly newsletter at $29/month and your average subscriber stays for 6 months (just for the sake of an example). The value of that average subscriber is $174. If you can generate subscribers for less than $174 each, you have a profitable sales model. The closer you get to that figure, the less you make.

            I just took a peek at a book on my shelf by one of the old time masters, written long before Al Gore invented the Internet :p. His advice was to look for an 8 to 10 times cost for generating customers. For our example, that would mean acquiring our subscribers for $17.40 to 21.75 each.

            It's difficult to do that consistently using postcards. If you could mail the cards for $0.50 each, that would mean anywhere from 1 in 34 to 1 in 43 sales/cards, or roughly 2.3-2.9% conversion. It's not impossible, but it requires a very strong match between the off and the list, something most won't have unless it's to a house list.

            Side note: Tim, I'd like to know who you use for $1/mo and .10/min, if you please...
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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    postcard marketing has been around as long as the paper has been around, ever since the pony express.

    offline marketing for your website can be the most profitable, I use a nu,ber of offline marketing methods
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  • Profile picture of the author David McKee
    I am just going to throw this in as a late comer to the thread, but I have been having great success with using post-card techniques but using them with business cards (see my WSO below) - the fact is post-cards work and work well. Using the techniques with business cards allows you to "Come in under the radar" because while some people will throw away a post-card without even looking at it, many more will accept a business card, especially if you can add some things to that card that makes it more useful to them.

    You just want to do one thing with that card and that is get them to your site, where you do the real selling.

    I am glad there are marketers who think these methods are old and out-dated! That means more room for my business!

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  • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
    Postcards can be effective if you are offering an offline service such as consulting or you are selling your own product online.However I think they are ineffective for affiliate and costly for affiliate marketers though, which a large proportion of internet marketers are.

    They are impractical: Do you put your affiliate link on the address printed on the postcard? Affiliate marketing works best through impulse clicking of links in an online environment. You can place these links free.
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    • Profile picture of the author David McKee
      Originally Posted by madison_avenue View Post

      Postcards can be effective if you are offering an offline service such as consulting or you are selling your own product online. I think they are ineffective for affiliate and costly for affiliate marketers though, which a large proportion of internet marketers are.

      They are impractical: Do you put your affiliate link on the address printed on the postcard? Affiliate marketing works best through impulse clicking of links in an online environment. You can place these links free.
      Actually, they can be effective any time you can get a prospect to go to your site - which is where your affiliate link should be, not on the card. A basic url and good copy to get them to go there.

      In the past, before the internet, the postcard had to get people to call or write as the "action" - now all they have to do is go to their computer or even their cell phone browser. If anything, postcards (if used properly) and, business cards as well, are more powerful now.

      But, it's ok if you don't believe it, like I said more for me

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  • Profile picture of the author misterwrecker
    I didn't even realize there would be a debate if direct marketing was effective or not.


    -John
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
    For anyone that is looking for a pre-recorded message service that will send you the voicemail on .mp3

    that costs......



    FREEEEEE dollars! (please note that the 800/866 number will cost you)




    Take a look at Google Voice.


    If you get yourself a little 800/866 number (you don't have to use an 800, but if you want that bigger business look, or the customers not to have to pay long distance then you need it), and redirect that to your google voice account. Put your gvoice account on DND (so it doesnt ring your actual phone when you get calls).
    Record your voicemail pitch message
    Mail out your ad.
    Wait for the voicemails. They'll be in your account or emailed to you.

    For CHEAP, you can use something like VoipO (if you're a hostgator person, you can upgrade to "business hosting" and get a free 866 number)

    VoipO number -> Google Voice -> Recorded message



    You have to apply for a google voice number, but it's not hard and they seem to be giving them away pretty quickly. I've got 5 now.


    http://www.google.com/voice/



    Hope that helps someone.
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    • Profile picture of the author DukeNasty
      Originally Posted by mr2monster View Post

      For anyone that is looking for a pre-recorded message service that will send you the voicemail on .mp3

      that costs......



      FREEEEEE dollars! (please note that the 800/866 number will cost you)




      Take a look at Google Voice.


      If you get yourself a little 800/866 number (you don't have to use an 800, but if you want that bigger business look, or the customers not to have to pay long distance then you need it), and redirect that to your google voice account. Put your gvoice account on DND (so it doesnt ring your actual phone when you get calls).
      Record your voicemail pitch message
      Mail out your ad.
      Wait for the voicemails. They'll be in your account or emailed to you.

      For CHEAP, you can use something like VoipO (if you're a hostgator person, you can upgrade to "business hosting" and get a free 866 number)

      VoipO number -> Google Voice -> Recorded message



      You have to apply for a google voice number, but it's not hard and they seem to be giving them away pretty quickly. I've got 5 now.


      http://www.google.com/voice/



      Hope that helps someone.

      How do you get a number from Google. I have applied about 3 or 4 times over the last few weeks and have received nada. Any tips?
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      • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
        Originally Posted by DukeNasty View Post

        How do you get a number from Google. I have applied about 3 or 4 times over the last few weeks and have received nada. Any tips?
        Wait, mostly... they're releasing them on an invitation basis. I've got a few of them, but it just takes some time for them to send the invite to your account.
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