Advantage of War Room

by BIBI15
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Hello folks,

I'm the member of warrior since 2013, but have never tried premium membership (To join the War Room). I really wan't to start a new business, but i think i don't have enough knowledge to run my own company. I always wanted to create a product or service and successfully sell it to my customers. So i'm interested if can find a working plan or model on how to start a business here on Warrior. Should i become a member of War Room ?

I'm looking for a sites/forum where people share live case studies and tips on how to create a successful business.
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  • Profile picture of the author KennyAmy
    To be extremely honest with you, I don't find any value inside that has helped me in my businesses. I'm sure there will be some members come bashing me when they know I said this haha.

    That's just my opinion anyway. :-)

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    • Profile picture of the author esk
      Originally Posted by KennyAmy View Post

      To be extremely honest with you, I don't find any value inside that has helped me in my businesses. I'm sure there will be some members come bashing me when they know I said this haha.

      That's just my opinion anyway. :-)

      Regard
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    • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
      Originally Posted by KennyAmy View Post

      To be extremely honest with you, I don't find any value inside that has helped me in my businesses. I'm sure there will be some members come bashing me when they know I said this haha.

      That's just my opinion anyway. :-)

      Regard
      Kenny
      Agreed. There are some useful things in there, but not $97 a year useful.

      I belonged until a couple of months ago, when I realized a whole year had gone by and I had only visited the section a handful of times, and came away without downloading anything of much use.

      I also didn't like the fact that I was automatically billed the $97, either. I was never notified that my membership was about to expire and offered the opportunity to join again or decline. I was simply billed. I don't remember there being a disclaimer when I signed up that said I would be automatically billed, but maybe there was and I didn't see it.

      At any rate, I'd be in at a lower price. I'd probably join if it was $27 or even $37 a year, but at $97 it's just not there.

      It's not really a money issue. It's a value versus cost issue.

      They should fix it. I imagine a lot more people would join if they lowered the price.

      I think even $20 a year would be sufficient. I'd be in all day at that price.

      Many people have told them about it, but they don't seem to care, so maybe they are making more money leaving it where it's at. I doubt it, though.
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      • Profile picture of the author KennyAmy
        Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

        Agreed. There are some useful things in there, but not $97 a year useful.

        I belonged until a couple of months ago, when I realized a whole year had gone by and I had only visited the section a handful of times, and came away without downloading anything of much use.

        I also didn't like the fact that I was automatically billed the $97, either. I was never notified that my membership was about to expire and offered the opportunity to join again or decline. I was simply billed. I don't remember there being a disclaimer when I signed up that said I would be automatically billed, but maybe there was and I didn't see it.

        At any rate, I'd be in at a lower price. I'd probably join if it was $27 or even $37 a year, but at $97 it's just not there.

        It's not really a money issue. It's a value versus cost issue.

        They should fix it. I imagine a lot more people would join if they lowered the price.

        I think even $20 a year would be sufficient. I'd be in all day at that price.

        Many people have told them about it, but they don't seem to care, so maybe they are making more money leaving it where it's at. I doubt it, though.
        Great post, I couldn't agree more.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tesslady
        Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

        Agreed. There are some useful things in there, but not $97 a year useful.

        I belonged until a couple of months ago, when I realized a whole year had gone by and I had only visited the section a handful of times, and came away without downloading anything of much use.

        I also didn't like the fact that I was automatically billed the $97, either. I was never notified that my membership was about to expire and offered the opportunity to join again or decline. I was simply billed. I don't remember there being a disclaimer when I signed up that said I would be automatically billed, but maybe there was and I didn't see it.

        At any rate, I'd be in at a lower price. I'd probably join if it was $27 or even $37 a year, but at $97 it's just not there.

        It's not really a money issue. It's a value versus cost issue.

        They should fix it. I imagine a lot more people would join if they lowered the price.

        I think even $20 a year would be sufficient. I'd be in all day at that price.

        Many people have told them about it, but they don't seem to care, so maybe they are making more money leaving it where it's at. I doubt it, though.
        Thanks for this! At least we know what is really happening in there.
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        • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
          Originally Posted by Tesslady View Post

          Thanks for this! At least we know what is really happening in there.
          I'm not saying that there isn't some useful stuff in there, because there is.

          I found some useful software apps and some good squeeze page templates in there, etc.

          The thing for me is that mostly what is being shared in there is geared toward newbies.

          I'm going on my 10th year as a full time IMer now, so there really isn't a whole lot in there now that is going to show me anything new.

          A lot of people use it to give away freebies in hopes that they can get you on their list and then sell to you in the future.

          Even though you are not allowed to make anyone opt-in for any of the stuff in the War Room, there is no rule against putting an opt-in form on your download page, which most people will use to get another free product.

          It's not even a money issue for me. $97 a year is nothing to me. However, just because I have the money does not mean that I will spend it on something that I feel is not giving me equal value for my money.

          Also, as I said earlier, at $20 a year it's totally worth it. At $97 a year, not so much.

          Just my opinion. It doesn't mean you shouldn't give it a try.

          What's not good for one may be good for another, etc.
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          • Profile picture of the author TheBigBee
            Hmmm.... Do you think your perception of the War Room correlates to the way you make money online? From what I understand, you are an affiliate marketer.

            As a product creator I've found the War Room to be extremely valuable. Sure, folks give free content and lure you into opting in to their lists. However, there are many many many gems in there. I've (shamefully) gotten immense value while refraining from even considering to opting in to anyones' list.

            So, I guess that goes back to my OG question; are product creators more likely to derive value from a War Room membership vs. affiliate marketers?

            It's an honest survey I'd be excited to see the results of. What are your thoughts?



            Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

            I'm not saying that there isn't some useful stuff in there, because there is.

            I found some useful software apps and some good squeeze page templates in there, etc.

            The thing for me is that mostly what is being shared in there is geared toward newbies.

            I'm going on my 10th year as a full time IMer now, so there really isn't a whole lot in there now that is going to show me anything new.

            A lot of people use it to give away freebies in hopes that they can get you on their list and then sell to you in the future.

            Even though you are not allowed to make anyone opt-in for any of the stuff in the War Room, there is no rule against putting an opt-in form on your download page, which most people will use to get another free product.

            It's not even a money issue for me. $97 a year is nothing to me. However, just because I have the money does not mean that I will spend it on something that I feel is not giving me equal value for my money.

            Also, as I said earlier, at $20 a year it's totally worth it. At $97 a year, not so much.

            Just my opinion. It doesn't mean you shouldn't give it a try.

            What's not good for one may be good for another, etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author aizaku
        Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

        Agreed. There are some useful things in there, but not $97 a year useful.

        I belonged until a couple of months ago, when I realized a whole year had gone by and I had only visited the section a handful of times, and came away without downloading anything of much use.

        I also didn't like the fact that I was automatically billed the $97, either. I was never notified that my membership was about to expire and offered the opportunity to join again or decline. I was simply billed. I don't remember there being a disclaimer when I signed up that said I would be automatically billed, but maybe there was and I didn't see it.

        At any rate, I'd be in at a lower price. I'd probably join if it was $27 or even $37 a year, but at $97 it's just not there.

        It's not really a money issue. It's a value versus cost issue.

        They should fix it. I imagine a lot more people would join if they lowered the price.

        I think even $20 a year would be sufficient. I'd be in all day at that price.

        Many people have told them about it, but they don't seem to care, so maybe they are making more money leaving it where it's at. I doubt it, though.
        really?!?

        i don't know that.

        i bet i was billed then.

        this is news to me,
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    there used to be some value when the cost was $20.00 or een $40.00 for lifetime membership. But at the current price and the fact that freelancer refuses the repeated suggestion from many members to improve it then i would not waste my money

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  • Profile picture of the author BIBI15
    Thanks guys for sharing your personal experience with War Room. Anyways i wanted to ask you whether do you know other blog/forum which is worth checking.
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        • Profile picture of the author KennyAmy
          Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

          I love your blog. I have one that is similar. I do detailed and accurate "behind the scenes" video reviews and if the product is garbage, I say it's garbage.

          A lot of people in the "MMO" niche have review blogs and I think it's funny because EVERY review on the site is a glowing review with affiliate links everywhere.

          The only time I post affiliate links is if I really love the product and I honestly feel it is going to help my readers/subscribers.

          Another great review blogger who posts honest reviews is Brett Rutecky. If you ever want to read a REAL review and not one designed just to sell, then check out his "IM Watchdog" blog.

          Don't get me wrong. I'm in the "MMO/online biz" niche and I love it and have been doing very well in it for years. However, these so-called "review" blogs are one of the main reasons why it gets a bad rap.

          It's great to see a blog like yours that is not afraid to tell the truth.

          Wait until you start to get noticed by vendors. You'll undoubtedly start to get nasty emails and requests to take the bad reviews down. I get them all the time.

          I've even been threatened with legal action on one occasion if I did not take down the review. Needless to say, the review is still up and no legal action ever happened lol.

          You are doing the right thing by writing honest reviews.

          I hope that people find your blog when they are searching for product reviews because most of the "mmo/traffic generation/biz opp/email marketing/blogging" products that have been launched as of the past two years are really bad and basically just rehashed garbage.

          In many instances I'm SO glad I checked out the product before promoting it it my list because lots of times it turns out to be one of the vendors older products that they simply rebranded and relaunched.

          I mean, I've seen products that were launched a year ago come out under a different name with absolutely nothing changed.

          I've even come across a product which teaches people exactly how to take products they launched in the past and rebrand them as new products! Deplorable.
          Unfortunately there are some doesn't appreciate what I am doing lol. People says that I am "self promoting" where what I do is by providing 100% value to this community by saving them money and so on. But I could care less about em, all I know is I am doing good deed and people should "wake up" from their get-rich-overnight dream (as claimed in 99% of the sales page)

          One tip -- stop buying products from serial product publisher.

          And you made a good statement about people threatening.
          Yes, I got their e-mails as well haha. This blog of mine is 5-days-old and I am guessing they saw my Facebook ads about their product heheheh.

          Anyway, thanks for your comment brother. Look forward for your post :-)
          (Maybe we can collaborate our blogs someday, who knows right?)

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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by KennyAmy View Post

        If you want to read about 100% honest review about recent product launches, you can visit my site. Is how I provide value by giving an honest review. But be warn, I use some very strong language for certain products because they are crap

        Many "serial" product publisher sell crap anyway. If you think that you'd like to read more about it, visit my blog. haha it is a new blog by the way, I am working on it daily which I think will benefit newbies greatly.

        Don't worry I don't have any affiliate links/ make-money-from-you links inside. If you can find ONE, i will hang myself on the ceiling. HAHA

        In regards to forums, I am not sure bro. I am only on WarriorForum hehe.

        Regards,
        Kenny
        I thought you said you were going to stop doing self-promotion. What's up with that?

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        • Profile picture of the author KennyAmy
          Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

          I thought you said you were going to stop doing self-promotion. What's up with that?

          Frank
          For the record, I am creating awareness. Awareness for newbie to stop buying crap. I am NOT making money with this. But OK, I will stop. Thank you Frank.
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        • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
          Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

          I thought you said you were going to stop doing self-promotion. What's up with that?

          Frank
          I can understand you thinking that he was promoting his blog when he made the post about it.

          I can see how that would look like self promotion, but I visited the blog and I didn't see any affiliate links. I could certainly understand if it were a review blog like the general review blogs you see nowadays.

          However, I think that him plugging his blog is OK in this case because I feel he is indeed doing it only to help people and not make money from it.

          I've seen some of his numbers and I've heard of him as well, and he doesn't need to plug or even operate a review blog to make money. That's why I feel he is solely trying to help, so in this case I think it's OK.
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          • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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            Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

            I can understand you thinking that he was promoting his blog when he made the post about it.

            I can see how that would look like self promotion, but I visited the blog and I didn't see any affiliate links. I could certainly understand if it were a review blog like the general review blogs you see nowadays.

            However, I think that him plugging his blog is OK in this case because I feel he is indeed doing it only to help people and not make money from it.

            I've seen some of his numbers and I've heard of him as well, and he doesn't need to plug or even operate a review blog to make money. That's why I feel he is solely trying to help, so in this case I think it's OK.
            Well, unfortunately we are not the arbiters of the tolerance level on this forum rule. I totally understand what you are saying and tend to 'almost' agree, but if I'm not mistaken he recently had a post deleted by the mods for self-promotion and nothing will get you banned faster than defying them on a continual basis. You know how people with a little power can be. :-)

            I brought it to his attention and he can govern his actions accordingly. I have a feeling this won't end well for him, but my work here is finished.

            You can lead a horse to water . . . . . . .

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            • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
              Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

              Well, unfortunately we are not the arbiters of the tolerance level on this forum rule. I totally understand what you are saying and tend to 'almost' agree, but if I'm not mistaken he recently had a post deleted by the mods for self-promotion and nothing will get you banned faster than defying them on a continual basis. You know how people with a little power can be. :-)

              I brought it to his attention and he can govern his actions accordingly. I have a feeling this won't end well for him, but my work here is finished.

              You can lead a horse to water . . . . . . .

              Frank
              You're absolutely right. I hear you.

              I can also understand it from the mods point of view. They can't possibly make exceptions on the forum rules for certain people or else it would be a total free for all and they would probably have to hire more mods.

              In my opinion, though, I thought it was OK in this situation because he wasn't asking for an opt-in or sending people to a money site, etc.
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              • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

                You're absolutely right. I hear you.

                I can also understand it from the mods point of view. They can't possibly make exceptions on the forum rules for certain people or else it would be a total free for all and they would probably have to hire more mods.

                In my opinion, though, I thought it was OK in this situation because he wasn't asking for an opt-in or sending people to a money site, etc.
                No - I don't believe that it works under that premise. When I was a newbie I made a post mentioning that I ran an Internet radio station, where the format is 100% music, 24/7. Nothing sold, no links to anything - just good, old-fashioned 'classic rock.'

                A few minutes after posting I noticed that the post was gone. Being new, I thought it might have just been some sort of glitch, so I immediately reposted the information. Within minutes the ban-hammer came down on me (for one day) and the message I received from admin was the post was deleted for self-promoting and the ban was for reposting the same information. lol

                None of us get to be 'privileged characters.' I generally don't report any post except for those people that are brand new and only stopped by to spam or self-promote, but it's nice when active members don't feel that they are better than others and deserve special consideration. Don't get me wrong. If there's anyone that feels they are better than others and deserve lots of special consideration, that would be me, but - I don't post accordingly. :-)

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                • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
                  Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                  No - I don't believe that it works under that premise. When I was a newbie I made a post mentioning that I ran an Internet radio station, where the format is 100% music, 24/7. Nothing sold, no links to anything - just good, old-fashioned 'classic rock.'

                  A few minutes after posting I noticed that the post was gone. Being new, I thought it might have just been some sort of glitch, so I immediately reposted the information. Within minutes the ban-hammer came down on me (for one day) and the message I received from admin was the post was deleted for self-promoting and the ban was for reposting the same information. lol

                  None of us get to be 'privileged characters.' I generally don't report any post except for those people that are brand new and only stopped by to spam or self-promote, but it's nice when active members don't feel that they are better than others and deserve special consideration. Don't get me wrong. If there's anyone that feels they are better than others and deserve lots of special consideration, that would be me, but - I don't post accordingly. :-)

                  Frank
                  I did the same thing when I was relatively new to the forum.

                  I had written my first ebook and I posted in a thread that was related to the ebook I wrote. I mentioned that I had just written an ebook on the topic. I didn't even do it to self-promote.

                  I guess it was self-promotion but at the time I didn't realize it.

                  I didn't put a link in the actual post, but my sig link led to the sales page for the ebook.

                  I didn't even get a warning. Got a 7-day ban for "pimping my ebook in the main forum."

                  In the end it was my fault. I was wrong. I was new and it was my first ebook and I guess I got a little over excited lol.

                  A warning would have been nice, though. I guess it all depends on the mod.
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                  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                    Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

                    I did the same thing when I was relatively new to the forum.

                    I had written my first ebook and I posted in a thread that was related to the ebook I wrote. I mentioned that I had just written an ebook on the topic. I didn't even do it to self-promote.

                    I guess it was self-promotion but at the time I didn't realize it.

                    I didn't put a link in the actual post, but my sig link led to the sales page for the ebook.

                    I didn't even get a warning. Got a 7-day ban for "pimping my ebook in the main forum."

                    In the end it was my fault. I was wrong. I was new and it was my first ebook and I guess I got a little over excited lol.

                    A warning would have been nice, though. I guess it all depends on the mod.
                    Too, funny - and yes - it certainly does depend on the mod - and whether he got any the night before. :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author jordocleak
    Great post, I am agreed with you...
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  • Profile picture of the author garyl2k
    Never been a member and from the looks of it I will stay that way, it might add value to some but for me these gimmicks to pull more money out of people are getting old. Like the never ending OTO's when you purchase a product...

    You can smell a OTO coming a mile off when you see the price is like $27 for life time membership!
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Got my paid for by a fellow warrior years ago (he saw promise in me I guess lol) for like $20 for 37 years or something like that.

    I have found some golden nuggets but as others have said way over inflated cost now.



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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    I signed up when it was $37 for "life" (actually, 20 years due to software limitations at the time).

    It was intended to be an area for advanced discussion, and that's how it started out.

    Then someone got the idea to skip reposting information and just give people access to the original WSO/ebook/etc. Access was controlled by requiring an email address, and the actual discussion continued in the thread itself.

    Of course, if something can be used it can be abused. People started creating thin/rehashed/ just plain crappy products just to offer in the WR.

    So Allen Says made the rule about not requiring an opt-in.

    The War Room became the WSO Graveyard. Run a WSO, get whatever juice you can get, then post it in the WR as a lead magnet.

    Since I have the lifetime membership, I still check in every few months. Haven't downloaded anything useful in over a year.

    At $97/year auto billed, there are better places to put your money these days.
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    • Profile picture of the author johndetlefs
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      The War Room became the WSO Graveyard. Run a WSO, get whatever juice you can get, then post it in the WR as a lead magnet.

      .....

      At $97/year auto billed, there are better places to put your money these days.
      This! I think being a newbie these days is even more fraught than it was when I started 10 years ago, and the war room is definitely not the beacon of light it was originally intended to be!

      If I can make one recommendation it'd be to research coaches that have been around for a while and have a proven business outside of coaching, and ideally a profitable business outside of the IM niche.

      One that I've personally gotten a tonne of value from has been Ryan Deiss's "lab".

      I didn't really rate his early stuff, but in the last couple of years the information in his lab has been integral to me being able to replace my day job with an AdWords advertising agency.

      I've also sent several colleagues his way and have only ever had fantastic feedback, so maybe give it a looksee!
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      • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
        Originally Posted by johndetlefs View Post

        This! I think being a newbie these days is even more fraught than it was when I started 10 years ago, and the war room is definitely not the beacon of light it was originally intended to be!

        If I can make one recommendation it'd be to research coaches that have been around for a while and have a proven business outside of coaching, and ideally a profitable business outside of the IM niche.

        One that I've personally gotten a tonne of value from has been Ryan Deiss's "lab".

        I didn't really rate his early stuff, but in the last couple of years the information in his lab has been integral to me being able to replace my day job with an AdWords advertising agency.

        I've also sent several colleagues his way and have only ever had fantastic feedback, so maybe give it a looksee!
        I agree 100%. I also own several of the modules from Ryan's lab, and they are incredible. I am not a "shiny object" person, and I hardly ever buy products, but I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger on most of his new stuff.

        I recently bought the module that contains all of the different blog post templates and shows you how to curate properly, and I can't tell you how many times I've used that. Probably hundreds.

        His products are a supreme example of what products in the "MMO/IM/biz op" niche should be like. His prices are reasonable as well. Even his top end stuff rarely exceeds $97, and believe me when I tell you he over delivers every time.

        Years back when I first got into IM about 8-10 years ago I had heard some negative things about his products,

        I can't attest to that because I don't own any of his older stuff. All I know is that the stuff he is doing now is great.

        And if you want an example about how to use Facebook ads in the MMO niche, just take a look at his ads and funnels.

        I've benefited greatly from his expertise many times without even buying his products. Sometimes just watching how he markets is a massive benefit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    I paid $37 for 20 years and then was changed to lifetime when FL took over.

    I just wanted the cool, Red title.

    In all seriousness, I have never found $37 worth of value there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Louise Green
    I love the war room, you just have to use it right.

    Know what you're looking for first.
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  • Profile picture of the author timokeefe
    Re: self-promoting, inevitably some of the decisions are right at the margins and they're not easy. In these cases we try to be guided by the community, and so we're more likely to delete something if it has been reported by multiple people.

    As for the War Room I'd love to hear any suggestions for improving it. Pricing is clearly an issue for some, and it looks like it could be worth splitting the War Room special offers (is it worth calling these WRSOs? ( off into a sub-forum so that there's some room for the more advanced IM discussions. What other ideas do you guys have?
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    • Profile picture of the author johndetlefs
      Originally Posted by timokeefe View Post

      As for the War Room I'd love to hear any suggestions for improving it. Pricing is clearly an issue for some, and it looks like it could be worth splitting the War Room special offers (is it worth calling these WRSOs? ( off into a sub-forum so that there's some room for the more advanced IM discussions. What other ideas do you guys have?
      @timokeefe

      FMM the pricing is relative to the value.. and at the mo, barring a few rare exceptions, nothing of value seems to be appearing in the WarRoom.. just rehashed or worn out WSOs.

      If I'm looking for good information, I personally get more insight from the sub-forums.. not as many people playing in them, but the quality is generally far better.

      Purely as a discussion point, is it really necessary for the WarRoom to be a section where members can post? I'd love to see an area where the very best of posts that have been written and the very best of WSOs that have been made get posted in there for the benefit of those who've paid the price.

      I can't see that the quality of discussion in the WR is better than anywhere else, so no loss there by controlling the posting, and at least this way anyone paying their $97 is guaranteed to have easy access to relevant, interesting, and most of all, valuable, materials that will help to kick start or facilitate their online journeys.

      There are some fantastic evergreen posts that have been written over the years that are all but lost due to how forums work, and these could easily form the backbone of a new section.

      Possibly some sort of incentive could be given to those who's posts and WSOs are included in the section.. Or, there is also a benefit to having your signature at the bottom of a post that is locked and has been made a permanent fixture of the paid WR section, that will be seen by thousands of new WFers.

      Changing the structure this way might even have the advantage of building up the quality of posting outside of the WR, in the hopes of a post getting "promoted"

      Anyway.. that's just me shooting the breeze, but any improvements made to the WR would be greatly appreciated, and at the very least, thanks for chiming in and having a listen.
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