Please Help this Spammer...

by Jhf14
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Dear Warriors,

I am torn. I really enjoy warrior forum, but lately I have been having a major issue. It started last Friday when I spammed the forum. Unfortunately, I spammed it last Friday as a result of one too many glasses of wine and being a bit pushy with my WSO... so, I was banned and rightfully so.

I debated joining the forum again because I had gained a good reputation and knew that would take a long time to rebuild... ultimately I decided to do so.

Well... I was banned today... again... and utterly have no reason why. I logged in and all of a sudden I was banned. I can't figure out why and I understand the no-nonsense policy on this. But heck, I didn't even have any promotion in my signature! I was honestly just posting in threads and helping people.

Please help this "spammer". Can I only post so many posts a day before I am listed as a spammer? Can I not suggest different products ive used to people, even if I don't include an affiliate link?

I deeply want to be a part of this forum.

Sincerely,

Jhf14

(formerly JustinHart....formerly Justin Ferriman)
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnathan
    Originally Posted by Jhf14 View Post

    Dear Warriors,

    I am torn. I really enjoy warrior forum, but lately I have been having a major issue. It started last Friday when I spammed the forum. Unfortunately, I spammed it last Friday as a result of one too many glasses of wine and being a bit pushy with my WSO... so, I was banned and rightfully so.

    I debated joining the forum again because I had gained a good reputation and knew that would take a long time to rebuild... ultimately I decided to do so.

    Well... I was banned today... again... and utterly have no reason why. I logged in and all of a sudden I was banned. I can't figure out why and I understand the no-nonsense policy on this. But heck, I didn't even have any promotion in my signature! I was honestly just posting in threads and helping people.

    Please help this "spammer". Can I only post so many posts a day before I am listed as a spammer? Can I not suggest different products ive used to people, even if I don't include an affiliate link?

    I deeply want to be a part of this forum.

    Sincerely,

    Jhf14

    (formerly JustinHart....formerly Justin Ferriman)
    I do agree that it seems there is some kind of 'trigger' happy mod around here (I think maybe a new guy), maybe just had a poor day or something. Maybe one guy, maybe a couple -- but legit threads seem to be being deleted, etc, and then if its reposted -- an automatic ban.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      I do agree that it seems there is some kind of 'trigger' happy mod around here (I think maybe a new guy), maybe just had a poor day or something. Maybe one guy, maybe a couple -- but legit threads seem to be being deleted, etc, and then if its reposted -- an automatic ban.
      The more crap there is, the faster you shovel. And the pickier you get about leaving stuff that's on the margins. Your comments about "trigger happy" mods would be seen by many as adding to the crap level.

      Re-posting a deleted thread has always been grounds for getting a time-out, dude. That's nothing new, and hardly a sign of someone being "trigger happy."

      But you knew that, didn't you?


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      • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
        I think you are going about this the wrong way. If you're banned, you're banned. Rejoining with a new username (twice) doesn't change that. It's you that's banned, not your username.

        Rather than trying to rejoin, I would have thought you would do better to contact Allen, explain how sorry you are, etc and see if you can have your old account reinstated - even if conditions are added.
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by Benjamin Garth View Post

            Okay, um... I'm Ben Mack thrice Banned.

            Sorry.

            By the time I was unbanned once I already had a new following, and when I was banned I had issues. Ms. Rose, I'm not a rule follower. Sorry.
            Tough noogies. When you are on other people's property you either play by their rules or leave - go get your own property to play on if that doesn't flaot your boat. You are dead. Might as well lay down.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jack Chua
              This is a reality and we can't change it. We just have to comply with the rules because being a warrior is an honor and I've learned a lot form this forum and maybe helped somehow.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Okay, um... I'm Ben Mack thrice Banned.
            If that's true, I'm going to repeat the advice I gave when you came in here the first time, based on your behavior at that time:

            This is a person who needs to be ignored, as far as participation in this community. Completely. He has many useful things to say, but I recommend getting them from him via his books, rather than his approach to people in forums.

            I wasn't aware he'd been back, much less banned an additional two times.


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      • Profile picture of the author Johnathan
        Hi Paul,

        Actually my issue was with (I'm assuming) some mod who deleted what I considered a legitimate thread. I had made a post asking about recommendations for (essentially) help desks/for product management, and 3 times it was deleted. No idea why it would have been deleted, as it was along the lines of making money/etc.

        Thing is, although I understand there is a lot of crap that gets posted, unfortunately on the flip side there doesn't appear to be very much accountability, so legit threads get deleted. And then since I reposted, I was temporarily "banned". And I even requested the mod or whomever deleted it to send me a message first, but that was not done. Instead it was deleted, and auto-ban.

        I suppose in the greater scheme of things, it's not a big issue at all, but it was just a small pet peeve, so when this guy said he was posting legit threads (missed the first part though where he actually was spamming initially) -- but the second part where he was posting legit and then banned, I don't think that is right.

        Anyways, that's my feedback.

        Cheers!



        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        The more crap there is, the faster you shovel. And the pickier you get about leaving stuff that's on the margins. Your comments about "trigger happy" mods would be seen by many as adding to the crap level.

        Re-posting a deleted thread has always been grounds for getting a time-out, dude. That's nothing new, and hardly a sign of someone being "trigger happy."

        But you knew that, didn't you?


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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Johnathan,

          ClueTime: The mods are not accountable to the members.

          Lose that thought, if you've ever seriously entertained it. That is not the function of a moderator in a forum like this.

          Moderators here are accountable to one person: Allen.

          You may be quite sure that he's paying attention.

          The function of a moderator is to do their best, as they see it, to maintain the highest level of benefit to the group as a whole.

          It is emphatically not their job to waste time arguing the "legitimacy" of a thread with everyone whose posts get deleted. Doing that would be a guaranteed waste of time and sanity.

          It's a judgment call, and it's handed to people with the experience to be right a lot more often than not, and to make very few of the really big mistakes. No-one is right all the time, but I'd bet on the mod's judgment over yours on these issues any day of the week.

          Get over it.


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          • Profile picture of the author Johnathan
            Lol,

            Paul -- while I do respect most of the posts you do make, because I have found them informative, I do have pretty good judgement myself and do not post frivously, and don't appreciate that being said otherwise.

            However, I do agree that yes, it appears that mods are not accountable to the members, and if they were it would probably be very time consuming. Probably for every legitimate request for accountability, there would be 10x just from regular spammers which would waste time.

            This was more of an open post/request to the mods who 'are' deleting such legit threads to perhaps please look a little more carefully at what is being deleted, to reduce the number of legitimate threads being deleted.

            Anyways, perhaps this discussion is academic, because it is after all just in the "middle" of the internet

            Cheers,

            Johnathan

            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Johnathan,

            ClueTime: The mods are not accountable to the members.

            Lose that thought, if you've ever seriously entertained it. That is not the function of a moderator in a forum like this.

            Moderators here are accountable to one person: Allen.

            You may be quite sure that he's paying attention.

            The function of a moderator is to do their best, as they see it, to maintain the highest level of benefit to the group as a whole.

            It is emphatically not their job to waste time arguing the "legitimacy" of a thread with everyone whose posts get deleted. Doing that would be a guaranteed waste of time and sanity.

            It's a judgment call, and it's handed to people with the experience to be right a lot more often than not, and to make very few of the really big mistakes. No-one is right all the time, but I'd bet on the mod's judgment over yours on these issues any day of the week.

            Get over it.


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          • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Johnathan,

            ClueTime: The mods are not accountable to the members.

            Lose that thought, if you've ever seriously entertained it. That is not the function of a moderator in a forum like this.

            Moderators here are accountable to one person: Allen.

            You may be quite sure that he's paying attention.

            The function of a moderator is to do their best, as they see it, to maintain the highest level of benefit to the group as a whole.

            It is emphatically not their job to waste time arguing the "legitimacy" of a thread with everyone whose posts get deleted. Doing that would be a guaranteed waste of time and sanity.

            It's a judgment call, and it's handed to people with the experience to be right a lot more often than not, and to make very few of the really big mistakes. No-one is right all the time, but I'd bet on the mod's judgment over yours on these issues any day of the week.

            Get over it.



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            I think this forum is very well run. I think the mods do an amazing job. And I'm grateful for having a venue where I can participate and learn at the same time.

            This is Allen's "home". He has mods in place to help him run his "home".
            I know if someone was in my "home" and disrespecting it, I'd kick them out. No exceptions. So...I totally back up admin and mods in this case. If you break the rules, you get banned. If you don't like the rules here, go back to DP :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
          Originally Posted by Johnathan View Post

          Hi Paul,

          Actually my issue was with (I'm assuming) some mod who deleted what I considered a legitimate thread. I had made a post asking about recommendations for (essentially) help desks/for product management, and 3 times it was deleted. No idea why it would have been deleted, as it was along the lines of making money/etc.

          Thing is, although I understand there is a lot of crap that gets posted, unfortunately on the flip side there doesn't appear to be very much accountability, so legit threads get deleted. And then since I reposted, I was temporarily "banned". And I even requested the mod or whomever deleted it to send me a message first, but that was not done. Instead it was deleted, and auto-ban.

          I suppose in the greater scheme of things, it's not a big issue at all, but it was just a small pet peeve, so when this guy said he was posting legit threads (missed the first part though where he actually was spamming initially) -- but the second part where he was posting legit and then banned, I don't think that is right.

          Anyways, that's my feedback.

          Cheers!
          Like it or not this forum is a business. I am sure that mods have certain policies that they stick to for the purposes of seo and keeping this site a thriving marketplace. The mods/owners have products and interests themselves so I am sure they do what is often in their own best interests also.

          The unofficial rules that get threads banned don't seem to apply to every member, this often gives me pause for thought. I guess the only way to fully understand the workings, motivations and hidden policies would be to penertrate the inner circle yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jhf14
    thanks for the responses, even the tough love - just another reason why i enjoy WF
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  • Profile picture of the author acrasial
    I think some trolling is going on here, and someone actually does want to play with fire...

    Seems like this person is actually trying to test the mods now, and see if he can "beat" their system...

    To Benjamin Garth and Jhf14......===>
    The mods' don't have time to babysit you...just because you don't like this or that. I am new here as well, but I didn't get myself banned.

    One lady told me something very good... she said "don't consider what this forum can do for YOU, but rather what YOU can do for it"... and she was right...

    and....If your posts were legit to begin with, you wouldn't be here trying to justify them. it's all about your intentions... It's like this... if you give 500$ to a charity, and then go around bragging about it... were you really just giving to help people- or were you giving to get recognition?

    Likewise with this forum, I think you can do the math from here....

    P.s. the playground is outside...not here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vasquez11
    GET THIS MAN UNBANNED!

    Everyone deserves a second chance.
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    • Profile picture of the author Susan Hope
      Originally Posted by Vasquez11 View Post

      GET THIS MAN UNBANNED!

      Everyone deserves a second chance.
      No real need for all caps is there to make your point (are you aware that is considered shouting in internet land)?

      Anyway, I believe this is a decision between Allen, the Mods and the OP.

      If you have never moderated a forum nor run one (I have done both) then you will not realize everything that needs to be taken into consideration.

      Let the mods/Allen do their jobs

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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      Originally Posted by Vasquez11 View Post

      GET THIS MAN UNBANNED!

      Everyone deserves a second chance.
      Well, that would be a third or maybe more chances - if you had taken the time to read the thread.

      Flogging this subject now is just over the top ...

      So jvc13-56%#efw or whatever your user name is ... just get over it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Enterpriser
    Hi guys,

    From the few threads posted and discussions going on, I can see that this is a serious forum and I think that's great. Keep it up!

    Just that, I'm not too sure what's exactly legit and what's not, even after I've read the rules and regulations. Why I say this is that I still see some people posting threads that appear not legit but they're not taken out yet.

    What do you guys think?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricardo-Acosta
    do agree that it seems there is some kind of 'trigger' happy mod around here (I think maybe a new guy), maybe just had a poor day or something. Maybe one guy, maybe a couple -- but legit threads seem to be being deleted, etc, and then if its re posted -- an automatic ban.
    I agree with you to a certain extent, I've seen crap posted and it stays there for the longest time. Same goes for threads.....I created a thread about cash gifting, I wanted to know just how legit it is because its flooding youtube.

    I had an honest question and it got deleted then I found previous cashgifting threads that were there way before I posted mine, im talking months before I posted mine, Yet mine got deleted first :confused: Then I posted on those threads and the thread got deleted too. Some times I think they target certain members here. Don't care what any OG WF member says thats what I see going on here. No disrespect to any of you.

    I wouldn't be surprised if this post got deleted.:rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by Ricardo-Acosta View Post

      Some times I think they target certain members here.
      No, there's never been any need to do that.
      Most members manage to target themselves.
      Especially in threads of this type.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alican Yenidogan
      I got a topic deleted just yesterday, but instead of whining, I'm trying to understand what I had done wrong so that I wouldn't do it again.. There are a lot of threads on this forum and they are not getting deleted. Try to figure it out and not do it again...
      Originally Posted by Ricardo-Acosta View Post

      I agree with you to a certain extent, I've seen crap posted and it stays there for the longest time. Same goes for threads.....I created a thread about cash gifting, I wanted to know just how legit it is because its flooding youtube.

      I had an honest question and it got deleted then I found previous cashgifting threads that were there way before I posted mine, im talking months before I posted mine, Yet mine got deleted first :confused: Then I posted on those threads and the thread got deleted too. Some times I think they target certain members here. Don't care what any OG WF member says thats what I see going on here. No disrespect to any of you.

      I wouldn't be surprised if this post got deleted.:rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Johnathan,

        I did not say anything about how good your judgment is or is not. I said that I'd bet on a moderator's over it. I would make the same bet regarding probably more than 98% of the members here.

        Thank you, by the way. You make my point about how people would argue their positions persistently. Everyone has their own interpretations of things. The moderators have specific standards and goals against which to make their interpretations, and they are different, for the most part, from the members'.

        Guerrilla,
        Like it or not this forum is a business. I am sure that mods have certain policies that they stick to for the purposes of seo and keeping this site a thriving marketplace.
        The only rules the mods have to keep in mind as far as the value of the marketplace are those relating to the WSO and Classifieds sections. Those are intended to keep both valuable for the members.
        The unofficial rules that get threads banned don't seem to apply to every member
        Not to the same degree, no. You're right. Longevity and established patterns of behavior affect the amount of leeway any particular member gets. That is normal and desirable.
        I guess the only way to fully understand the workings, motivations and hidden policies would be to penertrate the inner circle yourself.
        Not at all. In fact, you don't get into "the inner circle" if you haven't already proved that you understand them. There are, by the way, no "hidden policies."

        Ricardo,

        Cash gifting threads tend to get deleted immediately because of the direction they inevitably go. Previous threads that didn't get deleted simply provide examples of the reasoning for that tendency.
        Some times I think they target certain members here. Don't care what any OG WF member says thats what I see going on here.
        Generally speaking, specific behaviors tend to be targeted. If you exhibit those behaviors, you will think it's you that's the target.

        What you "see" (translation: How you interpret what you see) is filtered by your experience and desires, and will often have little relevance to the actual motivations behind the reality.

        Your interpretation is, I might add, of very little concern to the people making the decisions. As you have just stated, you've come to a conclusion and are uninterested in examining it further for accuracy. The fact that you haven't anything like the experience necessary to form an accurate conclusion on the topic seems to elude you.


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        • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          There are, by the way, no "hidden policies."
          OK, I believe you. From the point of view of a poster though it does seem like there is a hidden list of things you are not allowed to post about, but I guess this could just be put down to different mods interpretations of the "self promotion" rule.

          I do think however the rules should be clearer about the "follow me" or "case study" type threads. The majority of these are instantly deleted but some seem to be permitted. What confuses me is that the ones that seem to be permitted usually seem a lot more promotional than the ones that aren't.

          I like this forum, please do not think I am putting it or the moderators down in any way. I pick up so many great tips here just by reading posts and talking to people that it really keeps my finger on the pulse with what is going on.

          I have chosen personally not to pursue a direct income from this site, but I do see how others, who do, are gaming the system and I understand the need for strict rules. It just gets frustrating when posts that were time consuming to write get deleted and there is not even a message to say "thread deleted for being self promotional" or similar. At the end of the day its your website and you can delete whatever you like just because you don't like it, you don't have to give us a reason, but it would be nice .
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Guerrilla,
            OK, I believe you. From the point of view of a poster though it does seem like there is a hidden list of things you are not allowed to post about, but I guess this could just be put down to different mods interpretations of the "self promotion" rule.
            That's a large part of it, yes. The rest is a matter of mods knowing how things tend to play out, and acting based on those estimations, which can look somewhat arbitrary if you haven't seen the patterns long enough.

            The problem isn't when people ask reasonable questions, as you tend to do. It's when folks start making assertions of fact regarding motivations, without anything more than "I don't understand it, so it must be bad!"
            you don't have to give us a reason, but it would be nice
            And some people deserve it. But the sheer numbers make that impractical in the extreme. Not to mention that doing so would give the people who don't deserve such explanations a basis for even more ridiculous accusations.

            That's all aside from the fact that any explanation of a judgment call invites debate, which usually turns into a time-consuming argument.


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            • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              That's all aside from the fact that any explanation of a judgment call invites debate, which usually turns into a time-consuming argument.
              I understand that all too well. Point taken.
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  • Profile picture of the author DyLan Lee
    My friend got banned straight away after he promote some links here. Better be careful of the rule. No spamming allow here.
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  • Profile picture of the author dorim
    You've been banned twice and you have the nerve to come back here and sign up again? And then tell us about it? Why didn't you just try to find out why you were banned the first time and then not do the same thing again that got you banned then?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricardo-Acosta
    I got a topic deleted just yesterday, but instead of whining, I'm trying to understand what I had done wrong so that I wouldn't do it again.. There are a lot of threads on this forum and they are not getting deleted. Try to figure it out and not do it again...
    Great Wisdom .....Thanx

    Thats the difference between us. I feel something wrong I say something about it, not sit and zip it. Thats the difference between sheeple and people. I read the rules thats why I didn't understand why certain actions were taken against me. If you cant find it in the rules section it gets you curious ...hhhmmmm :confused:what did I do, I would like to know what I, So that I dont do it again. Its not about whining its about figuring out what went wrong and avoid doing it again, Make sense brotha man?
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Thats the difference between sheeple and people.
      Sometimes it's the difference between a person with manners and a drunken lout who needs to be asked to leave the bar.

      As a rule, I find that people who mistake civility and responsibility for sheep-like behavior are just ignorant asses, who think that being boorish is somehow an adult way to deal with the world.

      The only person you're impressing here, Ricardo, is yourself. That doesn't seem too difficult a task, I might add.


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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Folks, those of you bitching about having threads deleted, earlier I started
        a thread simply asking people if as they had been doing this longer over
        time (marketing) were they learning from their mistakes and able to
        recognize the hype from the real value.

        It was deleted in seconds.

        Guess what?

        That's life. You move on.

        Having said that, it's part of the reason why I don't start as many threads
        here as I used to. I honestly don't know what's acceptable anymore.

        So, if you want to provide REAL value to the community, here is what
        you do. It's REAL easy.

        1. Look for threads started by people who have problems and need
        solutions to those problems.

        2. If you have an answer, give it. Don't post links, even if they're not
        affiliate links. Just provide the value of your knowledge. Answer the
        question and get out.

        If more people would simply do this, we'd have fewer problems around
        here.

        And I am speaking from experience as somebody who caused more
        problems than you can shake a stick at.

        It's not our playground guys. It's Allen's. We play by his rules and the
        decisions of the moderators.

        If we don't like them...we can go play someplace else.

        It's really THAT simple.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alican Yenidogan
      Mods and Allen are jealous of you Ricardo. You are making way too much money and they started to delete your posts one buy one. I'm a sheeple because I don't ask directly why my posts are getting deleted on a forum? You have a lot to learn I guess. There is no election on this forum, and nobody said there is democracy. If your post got deleted, ask a mod politelty and maybe you'll get an answer. If you don't, move on. It is not the end of your life. If you have too much time to spend on a deleted post or topic, it is time for you to start to use your precious time on marketing, not crying.

      Originally Posted by Ricardo-Acosta View Post

      Great Wisdom .....Thanx

      Thats the difference between us. I feel something wrong I say something about it, not sit and zip it. Thats the difference between sheeple and people. I read the rules thats why I didn't understand why certain actions were taken against me. If you cant find it in the rules section it gets you curious ...hhhmmmm :confused:what did I do, I would like to know what I, So that I dont do it again. Its not about whining its about figuring out what went wrong and avoid doing it again, Make sense brotha man?
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Alican,

        Asking a moderator, or the help desk, is unlikely to be useful. Even if you ask the right mod, which is statistically unlikely, you have to hope they both remember the specific post in question and want to discuss it.


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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
          Hi Steven

          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          So, if you want to provide REAL value to the community, here is what
          you do. It's REAL easy.

          1. Look for threads started by people who have problems and need
          solutions to those problems.

          2. If you have an answer, give it. Don't post links, even if they're not
          affiliate links. Just provide the value of your knowledge. Answer the
          question and get out.

          If more people would simply do this, we'd have fewer problems around
          here.
          I understand (I think) the reasoning behind your advice, but I hope people don't take it too literally. This is a place for discussion as well as information: we should welcome all reasonable and on-topic contributions. Disagreements, handled in a civilized manner, can make for riveting and illuminating reading

          It is frustrating when great threads get zapped, ostensibly without reason. But I always figure that something may have occurred downthread that I hadn't seen. And that the arbitrary deletion of useful posts isn't what the mods get off on


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          Originally Posted by Ricardo-Acosta View Post

          Was it really??..........Im sorry, honestly I didn't know it would offend you. Didn't mean to go over the line.
          Why would you think that someone pointing out the errors in your argument must have been offended? You give yourself too much credit. :rolleyes:


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  • Profile picture of the author Ricardo-Acosta
    Sometimes it's the difference between a person with manners and a drunken lout who needs to be asked to leave the bar.

    As a rule, I find that people who mistake civility and responsibility for sheep-like behavior are just ignorant asses, who think that being boorish is somehow an adult way to deal with the world.

    The only person you're impressing here, Ricardo, is yourself. That doesn't seem too difficult a task, I might add.


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    Woah there Paul way to handle your self, you feel better brother
    Im not trying to impress nobody here buddy.
    Were all entitled to our opinion.

    Oh and I don't drink
    Sometimes it's the difference between a person with manners and a drunken lout who needs to be asked to leave the bar
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Were all entitled to our opinion.
      Yep.

      We are not, however, entitled to express all of them in whatever ignorant and insulting way we choose, when in someone else's space.

      The sheeple comment was over the line.


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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        I'm gonna add one other thing folks that you're not going to like to hear.

        A forum is NOT a democracy.

        Allen has the right to refuse entry to this place to anybody he wants. He
        does not have to allow the general public in. Hell, he can charge $997 a
        month for membership here if he wants and still kick your sorry ass out
        if you behave like a jerk.

        It's no different than you coming to my home as a guest. While there,
        you have to abide by MY rules. If you don't, I have every right to ask
        you to leave. If you don't, I have every right to call the police to have
        your ass hauled out of there.

        Same is true here.

        Consider yourself LUCKY to be able to participate in the greatest forum
        on the Internet. There is more knowledge to be gained here than from
        most $297 home study courses...most of which aren't worth jack sh*t.

        Treat this place with the respect that it deserves and you can stay here
        a long time. Just look at some of the members here since 2002 and 2003.

        Treat it like dirt and expect to be shown the door.
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  • Profile picture of the author Will_Surren
    What are the chances for a post to have all content removed, comment entered by the mod saying why the posts have been removed and then lock it down. I have spent so much time trying to locate threads. I figure I must have forgotten to follow the thread so I go on a wild goose chase looking for it. When I don't find it, I figure it has been deleted but don't know why. It's just a thought...
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Will_Surren View Post

      What are the chances for a post to have all content removed, comment entered by the mod saying why the posts have been removed and then lock it down. I have spent so much time trying to locate threads. I figure I must have forgotten to follow the thread so I go on a wild goose chase looking for it. When I don't find it, I figure it has been deleted but don't know why. It's just a thought...
      It would take way too much time for the mods to do this with all the
      threads started on a daily basis.

      Just not practical.
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      • Profile picture of the author Will_Surren
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        It would take way too much time for the mods to do this with all the
        threads started on a daily basis.

        Just not practical.
        Thanks Steven, I thought that may be the case but it was worth asking anyway...
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Will,

      As a rule, no chance. That invites new threads, arguing the issue, which get hostile. That results in people getting booted who would otherwise not have needed to be removed.

      And it would waste a lot of time and suck in people who weren't even involved, but who look for any chance to slam someone.

      Sounds like a reasonable idea, until you see how it plays out in the real world.


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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
      Originally Posted by Will_Surren View Post

      What are the chances for a post to have all content removed, comment entered by the mod saying why the posts have been removed and then lock it down. I have spent so much time trying to locate threads. I figure I must have forgotten to follow the thread so I go on a wild goose chase looking for it. When I don't find it, I figure it has been deleted but don't know why. It's just a thought...
      I too like to know what I did wrong, but I understand both sides. In deleting some items on a forum I used to put the exact reason the thread was removed. After about 200 of those I just started saying TOS for terms of service.

      Do mods make mistakes? You bet, but they call it right more than not. Sometimes a thread has a certain pattern and look or it might use humor that is not fully appreciated and it gets removed. Sometimes after fighting a bunch of spam a mod gets in delete mode and will remove something that "to them at the time" looks like spam. It may not be, but they are tired or jaded or both. oops. It happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricardo-Acosta
    The sheeple comment was over the line.
    Was it really??..........Im sorry, honestly I didn't know it would offend you. Didn't mean to go over the line.

    1. Look for threads started by people who have problems and need
    solutions to those problems.

    2. If you have an answer, give it. Don't post links, even if they're not
    affiliate links. Just provide the value of your knowledge. Answer the
    question and get out.

    If more people would simply do this, we'd have fewer problems around
    here.

    And I am speaking from experience as somebody who caused more
    problems than you can shake a stick at.
    Thanks for the info.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Was it really??..........Im sorry, honestly I didn't know it would offend you. Didn't mean to go over the line.
      It only offended me in the sense that you were calling someone else a "sheeple" for having a different (and more polite) way of learning.

      I have little tolerance for people who abuse courtesy. It's a fast track to my bad side.


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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    You guys can make it easier on yourselves if you just look at the Warrior Forum as Allen's house.

    He has us over for a little get together and allows us to not only share ideas and joke around but we can actually network with each other and get to tell everyone here what business we're in and "here is how you can buy my stuff".

    Now at the door when we come in there are some general rules but no need to sit everyone down and teach them all how to be adults in a social situation because after all, if we are trying to be in business we should at least have enough common sense to not ruin the party right.

    Occasionally, someone forgets where he is at and starts acting like he would if he were home in his house and then gets told to settle down. Some smart folks remember whose house it is and shut up while others get totally bent out of shape and start crying "this isn't fair".

    You're right. It isn't fair. Life isn't fair in case you haven't figured that out yet.

    While Allen has spent years (yes years) trying to be as fair as he can, (or wants to be) he does not owe you anything beyond what you are getting.

    That is the part that should make it easier on you if you understand that last part.

    You are getting far more from this party than Allen owes you.

    Matt
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