1,000+ hops and hops per order but no sales.

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I currently have a clickbank product that I am promoting at 3,126 hop count, 1,563 hops per order form impression and 2 order form impression count but I have 0% conversion into sales. What could I be doing wrong?
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    No idea.

    Unfortunately you haven't really given much information, so it's impossible for us to say(guess).

    Can you share details on how you are driving traffic to your offers?
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  • Profile picture of the author Fantasy Cloud
    How did you get 1k+ hops?
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  • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
    What kind of traffic are you using?

    Are you using a landing page?

    Give us more details.
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    Hey there this seems awfully high without one sale, maybe you should stay away from bot traffic and focus on answering these things:


    • Is your traffic cold or warm?
    • How relevant is that traffic?
    • Are they getting sent through a funnel?
    • Does your product solve their need?
    Some things to think about here
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  • Profile picture of the author mdallen
    After you figure out if you are driving good traffic (where their need is relevant to your product) you may also consider a different product. It sounds like their sales page is not very high converting. It may be that people don't like or can't afford the product you are sending them too. And again consider how you are driving the traffic and if it helps them to get the product you are sending them too. You may need a different traffic source, but my guess is you need a different product
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  • Profile picture of the author SSSJames
    Agree with the posts above - if you can describe what kind of traffic you're directing to the offer, that'd be helpful. Also, be mindful of the Gravity score of the product, which indicates how well it has been selling recently. If it's ridiculously high (150>), there might be too much competition. If it's ridiculously low (<20), it might be a bum product that doesn't sell that well - in which case, pick a new product.

    Test with different traffic sources using different tracking IDs - you can create these as you generate a hoplink.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author rahimctg05
    You'll have a targeting pixel on your sales page (or wherever you're sending your traffic). That pixel places a unique "cookie" into the visitors browser, which lets that user be anonymously identified as having visited your site.

    They then become part of your "Retargeting Audience" for your Facebook ad, giving you the opportunity to summon them to return to complete the transaction. Or even offering them your free gift I mentioned above, to allow you to follow up with them via email and Facebook

    Anyway those are just examples of what I'd do, as I'm sure they'd help if implemented correctly.

    And of course, this really only applies if you're getting the traffic in the first place. If not, you'll need to work on that. But it still wouldn't hurt to have either/both of the mentioned systems in place, ready for when that traffic does start rolling in.

    Good luck, and hopefully soon I'll see a new post in here containing your success story!![/B]
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  • I still can't believe people make any money with ClickBank.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by AffiliatePrograms View Post

      I still can't believe people make any money with ClickBank.
      Believe it.

      It's not complicated or different than any other type of selling.
      • Relevant product + buyer traffic = $$

      BTW, I've read your CB rant thread. That's just you, has nothing to do with anyone else making money.
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      • Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        BTW, I've read your CB rant thread. That's just you, has nothing to do with anyone else making money.
        You obviously have mistaken me for someone else. I do not have a "CB rant thread" here or anywhere.

        If you say I should believe it then fine. Seeing some apparently real people testify to making money with CB can help me believe that it's for real and not a scam. I'm open minded.

        But there is no "rant thread" I have anything to do with so you might want to acknowledge your mistake about that and me.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by AffiliatePrograms View Post

      I still can't believe people make any money with ClickBank.
      Loads of it
      Selling is selling is selling. (As long there are decent products !)


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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Loads of it
        Selling is selling is selling. (As long there are decent products !)
        A whole lot of money is being made even by some selling crappy Clickbank products. It's all in tight targeting and technique.
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  • Profile picture of the author vinug
    Originally Posted by anthonyjstephenson View Post

    I currently have a clickbank product that I am promoting at 3,126 hop count, 1,563 hops per order form impression and 2 order form impression count but I have 0% conversion into sales. What could I be doing wrong?
    From your query, I understand that you are a vendor with a product listed in clickbank marketplace.

    Actually this is natural (your conversion rate). People don't usually buy digital product at one glance.
    You can boost your conversion by

    1. Testing with different prices
    2. Using a email list builder. Offer some part of the ebook (if it's a sottware then free trial for few days) for free in exchange for their email ID. ie, they have to sign up for receiving the offer. Mail them after few days and pitch your product to them again. You can also use your email list to send traffic to affiliate websites.
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  • Thanks guys for getting back to me. Well I am new to this affiliate marketing thing so I am promoting the products using paid traffic via Fiverr. Any recommendations or change of methods would be greatly appreciated.

    Also is paid traffic to easiest way to go or organic?
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      I think this is pretty straightforward...

      Originally Posted by anthonyjstephenson View Post

      I currently have a clickbank product that I am promoting at 3,126 hop count, 1,563 hops per order form impression and 2 order form impression count but I have 0% conversion into sales. What could I be doing wrong?
      Your efforts have resulted in 3,126 visits to your sales page, and 2 of those clicked on your buy button but did not follow through with a purchase.

      In other words, you're getting a 0% conversion rate.

      Either
      1) you are promoting a product that just does not convert, or
      2) your traffic does not convert (maybe not even real)

      I suspect the latter.

      Originally Posted by anthonyjstephenson View Post

      Well I am new to this affiliate marketing thing so I am promoting the products using paid traffic via Fiverr.
      Fiverr doesn't provide traffic. They don't actually sell anything to my knowledge.

      Fiverr hooks up sellers with buyers.

      You're the buyer.
      Do you know the seller? By that, I mean... do you know that the Fiverr seller actually has real traffic to sell? If so, is that traffic even remotely targeted for the product(s) you are offering?


      I've been at this for a while.
      I just checked my pockets and found no spare traffic to sell, because I can make more money selling 1 or 2 copies of almost any affiliate product than I could make by selling you a mailing to my list.

      Anyone selling you traffic, is doing so precisely because they can't make money off that traffic in any other way.
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    • Profile picture of the author kc33
      Originally Posted by anthonyjstephenson View Post

      Thanks guys for getting back to me. Well I am new to this affiliate marketing thing so I am promoting the products using paid traffic via Fiverr. Any recommendations or change of methods would be greatly appreciated.

      Also is paid traffic to easiest way to go or organic?
      It is highly possible they are sending you bot traffic.

      Paid traffic is easiest.

      But whatever traffic you use, you must make sure that you are actually getting traffic from a source that is actually where your target market is hanging out.

      I'd ask the Fiverr provider for proof of their source before giving them more business.

      So say you're promoting a fat loss product. Have they actually put your banner in
      a weight loss blog or forum?

      Have they actually sent your Twitter message to followers actually interested in weight loss?
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  • Profile picture of the author EPoltrack77
    Could be a few different things but not knowing its hard to say! Is your traffic targeted? Where is it coming from? If your good there then it could be your sales page. Are you answering a question to a common problem in your marketplace....
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  • Profile picture of the author Robsn
    I agree with the posts above... Fiverr traffic is a complete waste of money!

    Been there, done that. If you have a budget to spend, I would rather go for solo ads where you will be paying per click! Much better choice then going for the fake fiverr traffic!
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnVianny
    Originally Posted by anthonyjstephenson View Post

    I currently have a clickbank product that I am promoting at 3,126 hop count, 1,563 hops per order form impression and 2 order form impression count but I have 0% conversion into sales. What could I be doing wrong?
    EASY


    As you say, it seems you're directing all the traffic to the product, hoping for sales.


    And it's COMPLETELY WRONG and WASTE OF TIME


    You better look for a niche, not a product. Of course a niche where there are products too.

    But your traffic has to be directed on an OPT IN PAGE for LIST BUILDING PURPOSE.

    You can sell this product if you want on the thank you page after people opted in.

    BUT

    if you have a huge and responsive list, you can market your leads forever, and nurture them too.

    and ALSO....

    ...WHERE your traffic BELONGS to?

    As i see with these statistics they come maybe by pop under network or some very cheap traffic.

    Try Solo Ads, facebook ads and so on.

    REMEMBER: if the traffic is so cheap...maybe it's a SCAM TRAFFIC. Bot traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author freeabs
    My limited experiece with Clickbank and Bing.

    Good product ( >50 gravity ).
    Used own presell LP. Tried both List Building and also link to product page from LP.
    Used prosper202 to track.
    Results: - Sales is inconsistent. Sometimes 1 sale in 50 clicks, sometimes 1 sale in 100 clicks. Clicks are at about 0.60 each.

    So if I made a sale at 50 clicks x 0.60 ( spent $30 ) and product pays more than $30 then small profit. But if 100 clicks to make sale ( you do the math ). For list building it is about $1.80 per subscriber ( using a suppossedly high converting LP ).

    So I am still willing to learn from CB experts as all the current WSO's are all teaching basic stuff that is: -

    1) Pick a good gravity product or a low gravity product ( depends who the guru is )
    2) Pick keywords and write creatives using spy tools and other keyword tools
    3) Set up campaign in BING

    And...

    LET THE MONEY RAIN ON YOU IN LIKE A WATERFALL

    Wish it was that easy!
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  • Profile picture of the author MagicD
    I have never understood way people use CB products with gravity under 50 if one is doing paid traffic, I will never no. If you are using paid traffic, go for the big niches so you know there is money to be made.

    Now regarding Fiverr, iv never tried it and there is a reason why most people who use paid traffic and make money like 100% - 500% ROI never use it because its junk.

    I use FB traffic to clickbank products, so if I were you, I would learn everything about 1 traffic source and become competent where you can make 100%+ ROI. Also social media, search traffic and PPV (PPV with asterix) are reliable.
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    • Profile picture of the author freeabs
      Originally Posted by MagicD View Post

      I have never understood way people use CB products with gravity under 50 if one is doing paid traffic, I will never no. If you are using paid traffic, go for the big niches so you know there is money to be made.

      Now regarding Fiverr, iv never tried it and there is a reason why most people who use paid traffic and make money like 100% - 500% ROI never use it because its junk.

      I use FB traffic to clickbank products, so if I were you, I would learn everything about 1 traffic source and become competent where you can make 100%+ ROI. Also social media, search traffic and PPV (PPV with asterix) are reliable.
      But just take a look at how many ads are there when you search on BING for CB products more than 50 gravity. At least 10 and everyone fights for a slot and the PPC goes up. Even if you get a slot on one of the 10 ads, you still will not be sure that you will get a click and if you do get a click, your product ad may be the same one that the potential buyer has seen 3 or 4 or whatever times before.
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    It can be many factors like your product its not good ,your landing pae or site its not good your trafic its not targeted etc
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  • Profile picture of the author MagicD
    I hear that, I really do which is why I dont go near google ads, bing, yahoo. I use FB only. However, most people dont really target the product name because that is the lazy approach. And everyone wants the lazy approach (meaning if a product is called XXY - lets target keyword XXY)

    So the end results means your cost will increase due to the high demand.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brady Maijon
    You should have a tracking device to identify the traffics whether they are real people or spiders. You can use clickmagic or clickmeter to track you traffics. Both, you need to pay for their services.
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  • Profile picture of the author shmol
    I would have to guess that it is one of two things.

    First, the quality of your traffic is low--or the sales page is bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marian
    Wrong people, wrong traffic source I guess.

    Marian
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  • Profile picture of the author amuro
    Originally Posted by anthonyjstephenson View Post

    I currently have a clickbank product that I am promoting at 3,126 hop count, 1,563 hops per order form impression and 2 order form impression count but I have 0% conversion into sales. What could I be doing wrong?
    Hey Anthony J Stephenson,

    It is NOT about the quantity of hops and impressions but the quality of relationship you built with your subscribers that matters.

    As to what kind of emails you send them?

    Do you email promoting one offer after another?

    Or do you email promoting one offer and occasionally giving them the link to your blog or Youtube channel?

    Because if you are like most marketers doing the first thing, then chances are you won't make much or even any sale at all.

    I have done it, seen that, experienced that and learnt from that.

    Every successful marketer will talk about the same thing.

    That quality of your relationship with your list and the offers you promote MATTERS.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karomaz
    there are a lot factors that are included in those bad results, the 2 most im^portant ones are your sales page and your traffic's qualitty

    also if you drive traffic from an ads plateform directly, it's hard to get sales bro

    good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Randy McLean
    I usually let a CB product run for 250 hops on cold traffic before I make a decision. Any higher than that I will change variables like my ad copy, the traffic source, or the product.

    That is why it's also a good idea to collect email addresses too. If they won't buy one thing, they might be interested in something else.

    But if it was Fiverr traffic, you might not have gotten opt-ins either. But at least you are taking action
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Way back in the Internet Stone Age, people used to put little traffic counters at the bottom of their pages to show how many visitors the page had received. Problem was, that and a buck would get you a cup of coffee.

    Someone even created an animated gif of one of these counters where it appeared that the numbers were spinning so fast that the numbers were blurred.

    Fiverr traffic is generally really good for making your page counter spin, but lousy to worthless for just about anything else.

    Sounds like you may have had maybe a couple of hundred human visitors to get those two (lonely) order form impressions. Otherwise, it was likely bot traffic.

    Like I said, Fiverr traffic (and bot traffic in general) is fine if you want the ego stroke of "xxx,xxx" visitors, but banks don't give credit cards to bots. At least, not yet.

    Better to try a real traffic source, like a reliable solo ad provider, a FB campaign or placing ads in relevant newsletters and ezines. Heck, you could even try a print classified campaign. That way, you'd know how your page performed with carbon-based life forms...
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    I have never understood way people use CB products with gravity under 50 if one is doing paid traffic, I will never no. If you are using paid traffic, go for the big niches so you know there is money to be made.
    Back (three or four years) when I was promoting CB products and raking it in, I never promoted a product with 50 gravity. In fact, I can't remember one that sold that was over 30.

    I went for small niches that I could easily dominate.

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  • Profile picture of the author Srikanth Reddy P
    I have started promoting Click Bank Product with gravity below 10 and got a sale with free traffic driven to my opt-in page, from there I have redirected to the CB product.Don't believe me?

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    As you told that you are new to affiliate marketing

    First of all, do learn some skills like copywriting skill(Selling through Copy), Why copywriting? You are aim is to sell right? Then learn how to sell; Yes you can sell. Let me tell you one thing i got my initial sale after 2 months of continues husstle through copywriting. What i was doing before? i didn't know about copywriting at all.The day when i started reading books about copywriting after that only i got sale.So yes you can sell, have some patience and believe in the process you are going to get there.

    Second, learn how to setup affiliate system build some list through landing page.

    pros: You will have full control of your customers.
    No Paid media can market effectively better than email campaign.

    Cons: As there is expiry for everything in this world it's the same case with your list people do change their mind of doing something else like starting new business which is not relevant to your niche or completely opposite. Few of them are never going to open your mails anymore.Don't worry it happens control what you can and have patience to see the mircale at the end.

    P.S: Initially focus on how to build your list and copywriting skills.
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  • Profile picture of the author eDreamer
    As others have mentioned, sounds like 1 of 3 things...

    1. Your traffic
    2. What your traffic sees on your landing page/sales page
    3. The offer itself

    Make sure you have a good offer that converts, and test your traffic and landing page if possible.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author sachin5120
    HI
    there are many reasons why you r not getting sales may be your sales funnel isn't strong enough
    before you sending visitors to vendors page directly make sure you pre frame them about your product to buy that you are promoting....

    Another reason may be your product gravity...
    what is the current gravity of that product you are promoting?
    if the gravity is low its simply means that the product is not converting well enough...
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