Extremely Limited Offers Section

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Just had an idea and wanted to run it by you..

What do you think about an "Extremely Limited Offers" section?

Offers that could:

1. Only be run for up to 5 days then it goes into unmoderated status. Member can choose the time. 1 day, 2 days, 3 days...etc up to 5 days max.

2. Offer could only be run ONCE for the same product. You couldn't run a limited offer for a product for 5 days and then run the same thing 5 days later.

3. Thread Prefixes would be required. The prefixes would be something like 1 Day Offer, 2 Day Offer, 3 Day Offer...etc.. whatever yours is.

Everyone knows what a "limited time" offer can do in terms of sales.

And I could make the section popular very quickly by running board wide notices about it.

I'm not saying I will do this, just thinking, and wondering if it might relieve some of the pressure off the main WSO section.

Any interest?
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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    I like it. I like it A LOT!



    The inaugural one could be the prelude to you increasing the price of the War Room.

    PPPS - For those that know me... they know I am a man of my word. So, when I tell you that this low $37 investment is for a limited time, I mean it. If you decide to think about it and come back later, chances are you will find this to be $97 or even $197 or even more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylvia Meier
    Allen,
    I think it is a great idea. Would be perfect for those presale before launch deals etc. Could really be used to capitalize and boost sales for products. Another one for the I like it alot group.

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      Two Thumbs Up Allen!
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Yes Allen, Go for it.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Another thumbs up from here!
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    Roll out the barrel baby!
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  • Profile picture of the author Lynette Crase
    I think this is a great idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brian Cook
      Sounds like a fun idea.

      Would it require special WSO type pricing, or any pricing
      such as in the classified ad section?

      How would repeat ads be prevented?... word of mouth
      by other warriors? moderators?

      Just brainstorming here.

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  • Profile picture of the author Maria Gudelis
    Allen - would love it, use it and pay to use it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
    I'll kick in another vote for this. This sounds like a really great idea and I already have something in mind that would work very well with this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    By the description I assume it would only be for products, not services. A graphic artist might want to run a 5 day offer for banners, but by the rules, would never be able to run the offer again. Once he has run through all his services he is done. He can no longer use the ELO section.

    It would be nice if the section (WsO's too really ) would not allow extended characters in the subject line. It makes the section look like a circus in my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author WritingMadwoman
      Whoa, I just noticed that the Warriors for Hire and Classifieds have been made into sub-forums in the WSO forum! Looks like maybe this ELO forum is going to appear soon?

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    • Profile picture of the author WritingMadwoman
      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      By the description I assume it would only be for products, not services. A graphic artist might want to run a 5 day offer for banners, but by the rules, would never be able to run the offer again. Once he has run through all his services he is done. He can no longer use the ELO section.

      It would be nice if the section (WsO's too really ) would not allow extended characters in the subject line. It makes the section look like a circus in my opinion.

      Hmm, I was thinking more along the lines of a limited qty of a new product being sold at a very low price, or a limited run of very exclusive PLR - not necessarily services. I can see how using it for services would be limiting for the provider.

      Well I definitely agree about the weird characters, hope those are left in the dust.

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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

        By the description I assume it would only be for products, not services. A graphic artist might want to run a 5 day offer for banners, but by the rules, would never be able to run the offer again. Once he has run through all his services he is done. He can no longer use the ELO section.
        Originally Posted by WritingMadwoman View Post

        I can see how using it for services would be limiting for the provider.
        A designer could run an ELO for a graphics mega pack (buy now buttons, bullets, arrows, etc.) in order to build a list of potential clients.

        Content writers could do the same with PLR mega packs.

        Video producers could do the same with FLV player skins, special effects packs, etc.

        Copywriters could do the same by offering discounted copy critiques.

        There are plenty of ways for service providers to take full advantage of this killer new feature (assuming it's greenlighted).

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  • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
    Allen,

    Yeah, I like the idea - good thinking!

    It would relieve the normal WSO section and maybe slow the pace down some, plus make room for the better deals. Doing something like this could also bring the "Special offer" back into the forum.

    To be honest with you, the first thought I had after reading your post was that I hope you would draw some boundaries as to what can be offered in that forum, not just change the amount of time an offer can be changed.

    Other than that, I'm good to go with it.


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  • Profile picture of the author Angel Anderson
    I think this is a great idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tony Dean
      If the WSO is only for say, 1 day - the price would have to be something a lot less than the current price of $20 I would think.

      That's the first thought.

      A 1 day sale may not be the best because of time differences across the globe - some people are awake when the WSO is first put up there - others have just gone to bed for 8 hours, and could miss the ending of it.

      That's the second thought.

      If the 1 day sale could be advertised in advance by the seller in some other part of the forum to alert people to the fact - it would help with time differences a lot.

      That's the third thought.

      If they are truly unique products only - then go for it.

      That's the last thought!
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      • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
        Originally Posted by Tony Dean View Post

        If the WSO is only for say, 1 day - the price would have to be something a lot less than the current price of $20 I would think.

        That's the first thought.
        Hmmm, we put products on Clickbank, pay affiliates 50% - 75%, and we want to grind Allen over a $20.00 bill?

        Actually, that wouldn't be the first thought...

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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    A section like this will be awesome for those who like
    to release limited products.

    I've just posted a limited WSO about 3 hours ago. I would've
    definitely released it in the ELO section if it was available.

    Many warriors would be pleased with this section I'm sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
    I think it's an interesting concept - I like it.

    I like the idea of really emphasizing scarcity by not allowing the offer to be made again, ever. Although, I admit I'd be wary of that, too. If I put together a limited qty product and they don't all sell out within the 1/3/5 day time frame, then I have to eat that potential profit.

    On the other hand, if some of the offers are pulled out of the main WSO area, maybe that will increase visibility and sales in all subsections. That would be a good thing.

    I know Paul's suggestion of 'moderator approved' products could be a challenge to implement, but boy-howdy would it rock! Not sure how to set up a fair, comprehensive system to determine what products get a 'moderator approval', but I'll bet those that did would definitely sell.

    Interesting suggestion. I'll be watching all the sections while I prepare my WSO.

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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Molano
    I think it's a brilliant concept Allen.

    Moderated scarcity.

    That way people will know for certain it's a limited offer, and not the stunts some marketers are pulling.

    If you're looking into this, you should also check for a way to moderate quantity and not only time. Like some sort of script that will cross check sales using an API.

    It would make that new section amazing, you could do either limited quantity, limited time, or both at the same time.
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  • Profile picture of the author designfuschion
    wow i like idea.

    tony dean and daniel molano had some good points and ideas.
    If i used the section i probably wouldnt ever use 1day.
    5 days would provide enough exposure and time for people to purchase.

    limited quantity is an excellent idea.
    I've been contemplating doing a plr wso which would be quantity limited.

    Q:
    Would the section cost $20?
    Maybe scale the cost according to time limits?
    $10 for 1 day,$15 for 3days $20 for 5 OR Reverse it. (depends-there could be many IM'ers using 1 day limits becuase that's extreme scarcity..I really don't know).
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by designfuschion View Post

      Q:
      Would the section cost $20?
      Maybe scale the cost according to time limits?
      $10 for 1 day,$15 for 3days $20 for 5 OR Reverse it. (depends-there could be many IM'ers using 1 day limits becuase that's extreme scarcity..I really don't know).
      I think people are underestimating the potential power of this concept. Personally, I'd expect it to cost quite a bit more than a WSO. Regardless of the length someone chooses to run it.

      As a matter of fact, with the right offer, the more scarce it is the better it ought to perform.
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      • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
        Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

        I think people are underestimating the potential power of this concept. Personally, I'd expect it to cost quite a bit more than a WSO. Regardless of the length someone chooses to run it.

        As a matter of fact, with the right offer, the more scarce it is the better it ought to perform.

        I agree Lance, particularly if Allen advertises it site wide too. That's like getting a triple bang for their buck! Plus, it may cut back on the junk products.

        Lol Ithink some people are complicating the idea more than it needs to be.
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    So how did that Nike slogan go? Just do it, man. Just do it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
    I am in. Lets do it. I would say set the price at a higher price point. At the very least $47 and I would like to see $97.

    I would say the same for the normal WSO section as well. If you set the price at $97 I think that will cut down on all the crap, and increase revenue, in my opinion.


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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
      Sounds like an excellent idea to me.

      Here is a thought: rather than complicate it by allowing different length offers all jumbled together, make them all a standard length (say 5 days) and put new listings at the bottom so they would rise to the top as they age. Then as each listing reaches its 5 day limit, it would float off the top.

      That way the higher listings would have the greatest urgency.

      I also agree that banning the use of non-standard characters in the main WSO forum would make that place a lot eaier to use.

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        Originally Posted by Martin.Avis View Post

        put new listings at the bottom so they would rise to the top as they age. Then as each listing reaches its 5 day limit, it would float off the top.

        That way the higher listings would have the greatest urgency.
        Martin

        Now that's a damn good idea right there...I can do that..
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Hi Allen

        Originally Posted by Martin.Avis View Post

        Here is a thought: rather than complicate it by allowing different length offers all jumbled together, make them all a standard length (say 5 days) and put new listings at the bottom so they would rise to the top as they age. Then as each listing reaches its 5 day limit, it would float off the top.
        I think Martin's idea would work very well. You could call the section something like "Five-Day-Deals" and it would stimulate demand as the products reach their time limit.

        Like it!



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      • Profile picture of the author milkyway
        Allen,

        I think it's a great idea. Some thoughts...

        • I,too, liked Martin Avis' suggestion:
          Originally Posted by Martin.Avis View Post

          Here is a thought: rather than complicate it by allowing different length offers all jumbled together, make them all a standard length (say 5 days) and put new listings at the bottom so they would rise to the top as they age. Then as each listing reaches its 5 day limit, it would float off the top.
          Like other people have pointed out, with the time differences a 1-day offer doesn't make much sense to me.
        • Also, could we have some form of a timer prominently displayed ("this offer will last for another 6 hours 23 minutes"...)? Would save me a lot of hassles in figuring out time differences between my place, Eastern Time, Pacific whatever and the time on the moon.
        • Another cool feature, besides an advance notification board, would be a subscription to certain keywords and/or sellers, as available for the WSO section.
        • To cut down on the use of non-standard characters in WSO titles (yes, they make the WSO section extremely annyoing and hard to read, IMHO) would be the following rule: up to three of the standard punction marks (dots, exclamation marks, brackets, commas, questions marks, dashes, semicolons, colons) are free in a WSO title. E.g. a comma and two exclamation marks. Or two brackets and a question mark. Every other non-standard character costs ten bucks each. Should reduce the clutter pretty quickly...

        A last thought, although I'm not sure if it's really a good idea -- it might end up even worse than the WSO section now...: A separate section for recruiting affiliates. The WSO section as it is is cool for sellers in the IM market who are looking for affiliates. However, if I had the coolest product on deep-sea fish breeding and were looking for affiliates, a WSO for that product probably wouldn't get me much attention. If I could offer that in a separate section where active affiliates would search for opportunities, though...

        Just a thought -- might be complete nonsense.

        Anyway, I like your idea!

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      • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
        Originally Posted by Martin.Avis View Post

        ...Here is a thought: rather than complicate it by allowing different length offers all jumbled together, make them all a standard length (say 5 days) and put new listings at the bottom so they would rise to the top as they age. Then as each listing reaches its 5 day limit, it would float off the top...
        I like this idea!

        One thing may be a challenge with it, though. If the new, more exclusive section becomes really popular, some offers may never make it to the front page (ie if there are more 5 day old offers than there are number of displayed posts on each page). Or they may only be there but briefly.

        Allen could always increase the number of posts visible, but some offers may still not be anywhere near the top and then they may disappear in a large group. Or, maybe he could raise the price of admission to decrease the number of posts. That may make it out of reach for some members though.

        Just brainstorming a bit. Any thoughts?

        Cindy
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        • Originally Posted by MizzCindy View Post

          I like this idea!

          One thing may be a challenge with it, though. If the new, more exclusive section becomes really popular, some offers may never make it to the front page (ie if there are more 5 day old offers than there are number of displayed posts on each page). Or they may only be there but briefly.

          Allen could always increase the number of posts visible, but some offers may still not be anywhere near the top and then they may disappear in a large group. Or, maybe he could raise the price of admission to decrease the number of posts. That may make it out of reach for some members though.

          Just brainstorming a bit. Any thoughts?

          Cindy
          This is my point above. Look how a group of marketers has taken a simple idea and turned it into a confusing concept like that. If it is going to be that confusing for the sellers, how confusing is it going t obe for the people looking for products/services?

          For 10 years, people have become accustom to going to the WSO forum to look for products and services. Now, they go to the WSO forum and have to figure out if they should look in the classified section, the WSO section, the website for sale section, or the Warrior for hire section. Now we want to add even more forums to the WSO forum.

          We are going to cause buyers to become paralyzed by the choices. And for sellers, what if you post your product/service in the "ELO" subforum, but buyers only go to the main WSO forum? Or what if you put an ad in the main WSO forum, but buyers only go to the "ELO" forum. Or, what if they go to your offer and want to buy, but they do a little more browsing only to get lost in one of the other subforums and forgetting where they saw your offer?

          See how bad this is going to get for the consumer?
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          • Profile picture of the author Lance K
            Originally Posted by Charles Montgomery View Post

            For 10 years, people have become accustom to going to the WSO forum to look for products and services. Now, they go to the WSO forum and have to figure out if they should look in the classified section, the WSO section, the website for sale section, or the Warrior for hire section.

            And for sellers, what if you post your product/service in the "ELO" subforum, but buyers only go to the main WSO forum? Or what if you put an ad in the main WSO forum, but buyers only go to the "ELO" forum.
            That's why establishing yourself as a value providing member of the Warrior Forum and your ability to write compelling, laser targeted sig files is more important with every passing day. (<---without spamming threads for the sole purpose of getting your sig file seen)

            On a side note...

            It would be interesting to see where the most viewed WSOs get their traffic.

            Are they direct clicks from within the WSO section? Sig file clicks? Clicks from other Warriors mentioning someone's WSO in a related thread in the main forum? Clicks from links in a broadcast to email lists? Something else?
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            • Profile picture of the author Alican Yenidogan
              You push very hard sometimes I still insist on a member limited/download limited section.. It is not always about the time period of the offer, it can also be the quantity..
              Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

              That's why establishing yourself as a value providing member of the Warrior Forum and your ability to write compelling, laser targeted sig files is more important with every passing day. (<---without spamming threads for the sole purpose of getting your sig file seen)

              On a side note...

              It would be interesting to see where the most viewed WSOs get their traffic.

              Are they direct clicks from within the WSO section? Sig file clicks? Clicks from other Warriors mentioning someone's WSO in a related thread in the main forum? Clicks from links in a broadcast to email lists? Something else?
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            • Profile picture of the author George Wright
              There is a very specific and targeted place where I got most my clicks from.

              It's..... Oh, sorry it's the subject of my next WSO.

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              Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

              That's why establishing yourself as a value providing member of the Warrior Forum and your ability to write compelling, laser targeted sig files is more important with every passing day. (<---without spamming threads for the sole purpose of getting your sig file seen)

              On a side note...

              It would be interesting to see where the most viewed WSOs get their traffic.

              Are they direct clicks from within the WSO section? Sig file clicks? Clicks from other Warriors mentioning someone's WSO in a related thread in the main forum? Clicks from links in a broadcast to email lists? Something else?
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        • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
          Originally Posted by MizzCindy View Post

          That may make it out of reach for some members though.

          Just brainstorming a bit. Any thoughts?

          Cindy
          Taking everything down to the lowest common denominator is not always necessary. If some can, and some can't well, that would just be a reflection of real world dynamics.

          Either way, it will be interesting to see how this all unfolds.

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        • Profile picture of the author George Wright
          Well, You always get a top of the page spot on eBay at the ending time of your auction or BIN offer. It can be done.

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          Originally Posted by MizzCindy View Post

          I like this idea!

          One thing may be a challenge with it, though. If the new, more exclusive section becomes really popular, some offers may never make it to the front page (ie if there are more 5 day old offers than there are number of displayed posts on each page). Or they may only be there but briefly.

          Allen could always increase the number of posts visible, but some offers may still not be anywhere near the top and then they may disappear in a large group. Or, maybe he could raise the price of admission to decrease the number of posts. That may make it out of reach for some members though.

          Just brainstorming a bit. Any thoughts?

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      • Profile picture of the author kf
        And to expand on this, listings could show time left ... 60 minutes, v. sunday, 5 pm est

        And perhaps another page from ebay and let people 'watch' the listing - and they'll receive notice that the listing is about to expire.

        One question though - does the offer stay the same in the final hours as when it was first posted? IOW, will sellers be inclined to pile on bonus or six to increase final hour sales, and buyers conditioned to wait for the final hour to see what else might be added?

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        Originally Posted by Martin.Avis View Post

        Sounds like an excellent idea to me.

        Here is a thought: rather than complicate it by allowing different length offers all jumbled together, make them all a standard length (say 5 days) and put new listings at the bottom so they would rise to the top as they age. Then as each listing reaches its 5 day limit, it would float off the top.

        That way the higher listings would have the greatest urgency.

        I also agree that banning the use of non-standard characters in the main WSO forum would make that place a lot eaier to use.

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  • Profile picture of the author InternetM39482
    I think it's a great idea.

    Also, if as per Paul's idea, the products were moderator approved, it would be even more awesome!
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  • Profile picture of the author Richelo Killian
    Is it live yet?

    AWESOME idea.... As usual Allen!
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  • Profile picture of the author dean_holland
    Sounds like a good plan to me

    Cant believe people are already thinking about cost of it lol ... I mean really is $20 too much to put your offer in front of warriors here even if only for 1 day ??!!

    If you dont have the faith that your product will sell in that time then either advertise it longer or not at all ( does this mean your product isnt good enough ?? )

    Great idea, I say go for it !!

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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    I completely disagree. I think it's a dumb
    idea to consult about starting an Extremely
    Limited Offer Section.

    You're just wasting time Allen.

    Get on and get it done! ;-)

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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    Allen, wonderful idea.

    I think services and products could be sold this way.

    I would expect to pay a premium for this service, and/or a % of the income to Allen as he would almost act as an affiliate. I would even suggest (if it's not too much of a nightmare to do) Allen takes the sales and gives the seller a % back after the 5 days.

    Personally, I would like it to be a fixed number of days, say 5 days only. That gives us all time to see the offers regardless of time zones.

    I hate limited offers which are for a few hours, and they tend to be in the small hours over here in the Far East.

    If someone did a limited offer here for 5 days, could they then sell it outside. Let's say a product/service is going to cost $97 and for 5 days you can get it for $47, could they then sell it outside for the full price or would that not be keeping with the idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris_Willow
    If there would be a section like that, I'd run my offer there for 5 days, but that would be all the business you get from me
    It's just that I don't come up with new products every other day.

    nice idea thou.

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  • Profile picture of the author hotlinkz
    It's a great idea - except for the part where I whine like a baby after missing out on a really killer "limited offer", since it can't be reposted.

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  • Profile picture of the author Alican Yenidogan
    Allen,

    Does an extremely limited offer include limited offers because of member counts? Lets say we have an offer for only x people. Will we be able to post it there? Or maybe you may devide it into two parts, Member limited offers, Time limited offers. Just an idea..

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  • Profile picture of the author intromaster
    Sounds like a plan cause my WSO dropped to the 3rd page in about 16 hours
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  • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
    As long as it really would be an active board (since as you pointed out yesterday, some DP sub-boards are dead) then I'm all for it.

    Could make a lot of sense.

    Plus in some ways quite a lot of the "more serious" WSOs may go there since as discussed yesterday it does seem like some of the newer WSOs are just re-packaged stuff to gain a quick buck as per the advise of a CB product somewhere.

    I'm all for t it anyway I'm hoping to launch a good quality WSO/virtual book within the next few weeks so would be all for anything which makes it easier for good quality WSOs to sell :p
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      LOL, I just realized that admin does not get "war room member" title under his name.

      Just a thought, can we add a subforum "I need a review" that is only available to war room members?

      I enjoy being a guinea pig sometimes and to know where to look to try things in particular would be helpful. It would be nice to know as well if I wanted to submit something to get reviewed it would be reviewed by someone who takes their membership here seriously.

      Just a thought.
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        Hi,

        You can always PM "selected" members with a review requese. Also, you can post a request for a review and ask only WR members "apply."

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        LOL, I just realized that admin does not get "war room member" title under his name.

        Just a thought, can we add a subforum "I need a review" that is only available to war room members?

        I enjoy being a guinea pig sometimes and to know where to look to try things in particular would be helpful. It would be nice to know as well if I wanted to submit something to get reviewed it would be reviewed by someone who takes their membership here seriously.

        Just a thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
    I really believe if you do this it needs to be at a considerably higher price. I would say $97 would be a fair number, but we all know you like to under value and over deliver :-)

    So, I would be excited to see $47.

    Talk soon,

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  • Profile picture of the author waihon
    Allen, I believe it's a good idea.

    I also like other members' ideas such as:

    * Higher barrier to entry
    * Fixed number of days, e.g. 5 days
    * Last in first out (oldest entries appear at the top and then float off)

    Just do it, please.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkH45
    If you've never listed a WSO, you don't have a dog in this fight. Also, A higher price to list won't do anything for the quality of products being listed it will just mean the person that posts the WSO has xxx money to throw around.

    I hope the new sub forum will have higher standards to list a WSO not just a higher price. Things like you must have XXX amount of thanks, XXX amount of posts, etc...

    Hopefully, we can resolve some of the guru garbage effect that's happening now and ruining the WSO forum.

    Right now the only standard to listing a WSO is becoming a War Rom member.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
      Allen -

      Would this apply to Limited Amount Offers as well. Like my latest WSO offering a laptop with a limit of 20 buyers - would that fall into the limited offer section or is it just a limit on time?

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    • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
      Originally Posted by MarkH45 View Post

      If you've never listed a WSO, you don't have a dog in this fight. Also, A higher price to list won't do anything for the quality of products being listed it will just mean the person that posts the WSO has xxx money to throw around.

      I hope the new sub forum will have higher standards to list a WSO not just a higher price. Things like you must have XXX amount of thanks, XXX amount of posts, etc...

      Hopefully, we can resolve some of the guru garbage effect that's happening now and ruining the WSO forum.

      Right now the only standard to listing a WSO is becoming a War Rom member.
      I agree with many of your points. There seems to be an uptick in the number of members who 'drive-by' post just so they can take advantage of the WSO area. I'm thrilled Allen is addressing that (and always has). But...

      Saying I 'don't have a dog in this fight' if I haven't yet posted a WSO doesn't wash.

      First, I'm a consumer, so anything that affects overall quality of what's available in the WSO area is important to me.

      Second, during my time here, I've watched the WSO section and I'm taking it all in. I'm not expert by any means, but I'd like to think I know one or two things about marketing at this point.

      Just because I chose to create my own sites first to build my business and didn't jump right in and start selling things immediately here doesn't preclude my from expressing my opinions/observations.

      I am currently working on my first WSO. Since these discussions will directly impact how/where/why I post that first WSO, I'm paying strict attention.

      I love most of the points you made. I'm just not going to sit on the sidelines and be quiet based on not having my WSO up yet.

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    • Profile picture of the author abhi1
      I second what MarkH45 pointed out. A higher price for listing is pretty much OKEY but then if you can find a way to have better quality, that would be best.
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    My wallet will bleed badly if this happens =)
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    I got tired of posting a WSO and watching it fly off the main page within 1 day. I feel this will help fragment the "really" good limited offers from the good, repeating offers we see all the time while allowing longer time on page 1.

    But...as the best say...only testing can answer the question.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Yes, I think this would separate the WSO offers from the Warrior Special Stores.

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    • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
      Originally Posted by MarkH45 View Post

      The decisions that are being made now will greatly impact the success of your WSO. I was just trying to say that those of us who have listed WSO's know of the current problems better than those who have never listed a WSO.

      The amount of views greatly impacts your total number of sales and when you can't get those views because the WSO forum is moving so fast it hurts everyone. (including the buyers) Sure, everyone knows about the search function but how many people actually use it? Some people don't search, they browse.

      I can't tell you how many times I went into the WSO forum looking for something specific and came out purchasing 2-3 courses from other warriors just from browsing the front page.
      I can get on board with that.

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    It would work well I think. Thumbs up for this new section.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I think this is an idea with great potential. I disagree with a significantly higher price. This has become more of a global community and for some of the members here a higher price might leave them out. Remember, not everyone pays in US dollars here.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      I think this is an idea with great potential. I disagree with a significantly higher price. This has become more of a global community and for some of the members here a higher price might leave them out. Remember, not everyone pays in US dollars here.

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      I suspect the sheer visibility this forum will receive will trump any extra fees and make it a very valuable investment.

      Some people will have their eyes glued to the ELOS section for the next great deal.
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        Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

        I suspect the sheer visibility this forum will receive will trump any extra fees and make it a very valuable investment.

        Some people will have their eyes glued to the ELOS section for the next great deal.
        I suspect the same thing and I agree with you on that point; though we'll never truly know until it goes live. I think $25 - 40 would be a good base to start off with, then it could be adjusted from there based on market feedback. My point was that something like $97 or more would alienate some people. I realize that it's a limited time offer, but you've still only got 1 to 5 day window.

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        • Profile picture of the author Lance K
          Hey Rod,

          Half the caffine should eliminate the double posts.

          Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

          I agree with you on that point, though we'll never truly know until it goes live. I think $25 - 40 would be a good base to start off with. My point was that something like $97 or more would alienate some people. I realize that it's a limited time offer, but you've still only got 1 to 5 day
          Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

          I suspect the same thing and I agree with you on that point; though we'll never truly know until it goes live. I think $25 - 40 would be a good base to start off with, then it could be adjusted from there based on market feedback. My point was that something like $97 or more would alienate some people. I realize that it's a limited time offer, but you've still only got 1 to 5 day window.

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            Too late Lance, I've already doubled my caffeine intake, and it's not even noon yet here in Cali.
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            • Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

              I got tired of posting a WSO and watching it fly off the main page within 1 day. I feel this will help fragment the "really" good limited offers from the good, repeating offers we see all the time while allowing longer time on page 1.

              But...as the best say...only testing can answer the question.
              The only problem I see, would be the classic mistake of offering too many choices. Why do mini sites and squeeze pages work so well? There is only one place for the customer to go, your order page or your list.

              Offering too many sub forums might confuse a lot of buyers and cause them to go elsewhere.

              What good would it do if your WSO remained on top of a dead forum for three days?

              We need to look at this from a consumer standpoint, not a marketer standpoint. Too many choices could potentially drive the consumer away.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
        Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

        I agree with you on that point, though we'll never truly know until it goes live. I think $25 - 40 would be a good base to start off with. My point was that something like $97 or more would alienate some people. I realize that it's a limited time offer, but you've still only got 1 to 5 day
        I hear ya. I do think the higher the price, the more it will slow down the front page movement. And offer more value in return. So bring on the alienation!

        I'd gladly pay $97 if my front page listing remains there for 3-5 days.
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        • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
          Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

          I hear ya. I do think the higher the price, the more it will slow down the front page movement. And offer more value in return. So bring on the alienation!

          I'd gladly pay $97 if my front page listing remains there for 3-5 days.
          So would I. I'm thinking about friends like my buddy Samir who barely makes $100 us per week in his country but he's a programmer who has a lot to offer. He's been eyeing the WSO forum and I'm going to help him launch a couple things.

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  • Profile picture of the author thatgirlJ
    Wonderful idea -- it seems like everyone is pretty excited about it. It definitely gets the marketing blood boiling thinking of the great offers that will be available, and that we can make available
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I love it. I'd love to see a combination of some points raised too:

    1 - I love Martins 'float to the top' idea.

    2 - Like Johns 'moderator approved' idea too - there's way too much crap getting thrown up as special to warriors which is just created solely to try and sell in the forum.

    3 - Higher price sounds good too - for the same reason, if this literally just had like we used to have in the WSO section, where you knew everything offered was worth looking at, it would make me want to see what was there in case I missed a great offer. If you're running ads pointing people to that section, a higher price is warranted anyway.

    4 - I agree about using one timeframe of 5 days too - 1 day isn't enough for people in different time-zones to see something.

    I like the idea and my only concern with it would be that it didn't just become another wso section overflowing with very un-special special offers.

    If you can do it in a way that is manageable for you - go for it.

    And Kudos for address our wishes and even contemplating this.

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    • Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      I love it. I'd love to see a combination of some points raised too:

      3 - Higher price sounds good too - for the same reason, if this literally just had like we used to have in the WSO section, where you knew everything offered was worth looking at, it would make me want to see what was there in case I missed a great offer. If you're running ads pointing people to that section, a higher price is warranted anyway.

      Andy
      I see a lot of Senior warriors wishing the price for posting a WSO would go up. I have seen a real emergence of class warfare here on Warrior Forum over the past couple of months. There have been a few threads and posts bashing newbies in the general forum.

      I dont get the high price listing. If some one lists a WSO and bumps it 4 times, they just spent $100. Why is that not enough for the senior members? Raising the price is just a way to eliminate marketers with a lower marketing budget, and reduces the number of WSO's for the more senior warriors.

      That is a great way to solidify the "in crowd" mentality that is trying to rear its head in the WF. Just because some one has a smaller marketing budget doesnt mean their product is in anyway inferior to marketers with a higher budget.

      I dont care what changes are made, I am just voicing the opposition so we contemplate all sides to an argument.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by Charles Montgomery View Post

        I see a lot of Senior warriors wishing the price for posting a WSO would go up. I have seen a real emergence of class warfare here on Warrior Forum over the past couple of months. There have been a few threads and posts bashing newbies in the general forum.

        I dont get the high price listing. If some one lists a WSO and bumps it 4 times, they just spent $100. Why is that not enough for the senior members? Raising the price is just a way to eliminate marketers with a lower marketing budget, and reduces the number of WSO's for the more senior warriors.

        That is a great way to solidify the "in crowd" mentality that is trying to rear its head in the WF. Just because some one has a smaller marketing budget doesnt mean their product is in anyway inferior to marketers with a higher budget.

        I dont care what changes are made, I am just voicing the opposition so we contemplate all sides to an argument.

        Ok - I'll bite.

        I haven't noticed an "in crowd" or "class warfare" here, the comments I 'think' you're referring to are related to avoiding people that have been advised to come here and spam the forum with wsos, with affiliate links, with sig file links etc...

        If you're seeing "senior warriors" doing it - it's probably just because they've been around long enough to see the most changes in the forum.

        When some of us joined - the forum was almost secret and people would run around trying to find out what product to buy to find the forum and get access. The WSO section was awesome and there was about 1 offer a day, but you really paid attention to them and they were all top notch.

        There are now so many members that have joined in the last couple of years having come from advice to treat it like a barrel of fish to shoot, there are hundreds of people taking old information and trying to sell it to warriors and special secret info.

        The higher pricing suggestions are nothing to do with trying to price out newbies, they're actually the opposite - they're predicated on all of us wanting everyone to do better. If you have to think twice about the price, you're going to make damn sure that your product and offer are good.

        It's the same rational behind making it $20 from when it was free.

        More and more people come online and find this forum and it's the nature of the beast that Allen's looking for how to grow the forum to accommodate these changes.

        We all want this forum to remain as good as it can. You think I or anyone else wants to pay $100 just to give people a special deal on our stuff?

        The only WSO I'm running right now is not even to make me any money, so not only am I not looking to get my $20, but I'm not even keeping any of the money it makes, the price is not my focus. I know that doesn't apply to most WSOs but it makes my point even more, it's not about the price - the price is just one parameter which Allen has direct control over and that has proven in the past to help improve the signal to noise ratio - in the same way as the recent move to have people join the War Room - the War Room is like the normal forum used to be, but in some ways even better.

        The exclusivity is not aimed at persecuting people but giving them a reason to raise their game and be more than average in their business efforts.

        Everyone here wants everyone else to be happy, learn and make friends and money - there is no real segregation amongst Warriors who have that attitude.

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        • Profile picture of the author George Wright
          Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

          Ok - I'll bite.

          I haven't noticed an "in crowd" or "class warfare" here, the comments I 'think' you're referring to are related to avoiding people that have been advised to come here and spam the forum with wsos, with affiliate links, with sig file links etc...Andy
          (and the rest of your post, just didn't want to "" it all)

          Andy,

          I certainly understand where you are coming from and I do enjoy and learn from your posts on the WF. This is not exactly in disagreement with what you are saying but, just a word to say I feel the "pain" of those who feel like Charles does.

          I cringe every time someone makes the statement to Allen he should "charge more" for WSOs and other things like limited offers etc.

          Sometimes we forget, what is chump change to some of us is a lot to others of us.

          I know in some respects the "charge more" crowd are just telling Allen that he sure gives a LOT for a LITTLE and he does and KUDOs to him for that.

          Fortunately for some $20, $40, $97, $197 is no big deal, a drop in the bucked, nothing, nada. Good for you. I'm happy for you.

          Fortunately for others Allen has the kindness to keep his prices in line with what most if not all can pay and he doesn't create an exclusive good ol boys club by pricing anyone out. This probably isn't the case but it would seem, that is, appear to some, that there are those who do not want a level playing field. Too bad, so far the WF levels the playing field. PPC can go through the ceiling, adsense can lose it's value, Article Marketing can get more and more difficult to do, but, the WF keeps a spot on the Internet where even a newbie or old strugler can keep on truckin, learn a few things, test the IM waters and have a place to mingle with the best business minds on the net, even though some of us are figuratively selling oranges on the corner (you might have to live in sunny CA to understand this one) and could care less about someday having an entire grocery store.

          ALL The greatness is still here. The new not so great things and people come and go. It's always been that way since I joined in the 90s.

          Thank you Allen Says and what ever you charge for the Limited Offer section, please just get it started. It's a great Idea.

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  • Profile picture of the author Liz-K
    This is a great idea.
    Is the new section going to be exclusive to war room members only?
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Hi George,

    Agreed. I did say raise the price, but I don't say it lightly or because I don't appreciate how much harder it is to get for some than others, literally from the perspective of what seems to work as far as addressing the downsides that we see.

    As you know yourself, so much value comes through this forum that it's amazing really that anyone would feel they need anything more than this forum to be successful.

    So, however Allen addresses it - my personal perspective is that many people come here and get bogged down by the amount of information and anything we can do to focus people on the good stuff and start turning a few hopefuls into success stories - the better.

    It's difficult to show so many people where to get the best stuff when the places they have contain so much detracting material.

    A 'special' offer forum is a great idea and even better the fewer things that are there to stand out from the crowd.

    Many people focus a lot on the money and the price of things and the limitations such things pose, but it should really only be a very temporary problem as long as they can find the right information here and choose how they want to create their success.

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  • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
    I think it would be a great feature!

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Some thoughts in general...

      I love the idea. Especially with Martin's suggested modification, if that's not a tough tech issue. That adds a lot.

      To the people suggesting that a higher price point will keep out some folks, I have a thought: Trying NOT to keep folks out is why the WSO forum has so many crap offers. You complain about the problem, and then the solution. You want ridiculous stuff like moderator review of products or whatever before approving a WSO, as if the few people who qualify have the time to do it, and/or the expertise in ALL those fields.

      To the gentleman who suggested that this is all getting too complicated... Discussions are messy. That doesn't mean the result of them must also be so. Brainstorming always yields a ton of ideas that don't get used. It's the gems that do that make it worthwhile.

      Wait and see the finished product before you decide about the process.

      Personal opinions, which may (obviously) be ignored at will:

      Limit the people who can post ELOs, based on time as a member, and number of posts. That doesn't create the incentive to make a bunch of nonsense posts, since they'll all get deleted before any reasonable time frame can be met. That should be pointed out in the rules for that forum.

      Suggested numbers: 3 months, 150 posts.

      Yes, I know. I'm being elitist. Damned skippy I am. There should be some perqs that are restricted to people who contribute, and this isn't particularly onerous.

      My REAL preference would be 6 months, 300 posts, and 30 thank you's from established members. The latter would be a pain to check, though.

      Price it at $47 or more. If someone is good enough to be posting in a forum for serious offers, that's not an outrageous fee. Nothing keeping them out of the regular WSO forum if that's too much.

      Should be hosted on your own domain, which is NOT "privacy protected." Increases the odds that you are dealing with the person you think you're dealing with.

      That's enough for now. It's Friday evening. Things to see and people to do.


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    I love the idea...this is win-win-win for all Warriors... =)

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  • Profile picture of the author The IM Prodigy
    I think that this has a ton of potential, a wonderful idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
    When it comes to being an "elitist" or trying to keep the small people out I disagree. Here is why...

    If you are posting an offer on this forum, a Marketing Forum, you should have the money to pay the higher fee, or you should not be posting an offer here. If you can not afford $97 in advertising you do not have the right to teach marketing to other business owners and marketers.

    OK, OK, I here your next objection and I have an answer...

    What about the new person who does not make American dollars that is trying to start out by providing a service? Well, Allen as already addressed that issue and I believe it is free. It is the Work For Hire sub forum.

    That person needs to bust their butt and put the work in to earn the extra cash. It is as simple as that.


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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Shannon,
      If you can not afford $97 in advertising you do not have the right to teach marketing to other business owners and marketers.
      There are lots of things people offer in WSOs that aren't teaching anyone to market. Site design, content development, graphics, programming, etc. And these are the folks who are least likely to be any good at sales copy, generally speaking.

      Combine weak copy with the confusion and chaos that WSO subject lines have become, and you're looking at lower than deserved returns on some very good products and services. That is one of the biggest reasons for my objection to the littering of subject lines with nonsense and garbage to distract people.


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      • Profile picture of the author MarkR
        I think this has legs. I like it, especially if it slows down the WSO section.

        My only concern is the one-time use thing. Not being able to offer the same product/service again would make this only usable for pre-launches, and very limited offers (which is the intent I know) but they are far and few between in the WSO section. This is great, but may not slow down the WSO section much. Offering copywriting services or a specific ebook, etc. for example could only happen one the ELO section. e.g. What if your limited run is 100 sales and you only do 50, you're done running that ELO.

        Also, some sort of automated email service / subscription deal would help exposure, because the 1 or 2 day offers will blow right by without much of a notice by many.

        Give it a shot, what's the harm? Jump in!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

      When it comes to being an "elitist" or trying to keep the small people out I disagree. Here is why...

      If you are posting an offer on this forum, a Marketing Forum, you should have the money to pay the higher fee, or you should not be posting an offer here. If you can not afford $97 in advertising you do not have the right to teach marketing to other business owners and marketers.

      OK, OK, I here your next objection and I have an answer...

      What about the new person who does not make American dollars that is trying to start out by providing a service? Well, Allen as already addressed that issue and I believe it is free. It is the Work For Hire sub forum.

      That person needs to bust their butt and put the work in to earn the extra cash. It is as simple as that.


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      Hi Shannon,

      I disagree with a few of your points.

      Not all WSOs of value are about making money. There's scripts that automate, graphics packages, info on specific parts of marketing that aren't all-inclusive, and more.

      Also, it's possible someone is busting their butt and making money...But they have relatives in trouble, health bills, been hacked, etc.

      While Allen deserves a lot of credit for WSOs, a good WSO also benefits this forum and its members. Good WSOs bring traffic and offer members deals and ideas they won't get anywhere else. A good WSO is a win/win for both sides.
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

      If you are posting an offer on this forum, a Marketing Forum, you should have the money to pay the higher fee, or you should not be posting an offer here. If you can not afford $97 in advertising you do not have the right to teach marketing to other business owners and marketers.
      That sounds reasonable, however, there are marketers who could come in here and laugh at that $97 and say, "Hey you should charge $997 and even more."

      I'm not objecting to anything Allen would charge, $20, $47, $97 or whatever for the exposure we get here will be a bargain. I'm just saying "our" reasons for what we would like to be charged will all differ depending on our personal circumstances.

      There are Warriors who don't make a dime on IM and can afford any price charged because they have other sources, from a credit card or Mom and Dad or a full time job. Being able to pay $100 has no relationship at all to the value of their product. This is where buyer smarts kicks in. Whether the Limited Offer section is $20 or $200 the price we pay may or may not have anything to do with the value of our product.

      And what Paul said EDIT: And what Kurt said

      Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

      OK, OK, I here your next objection and I have an answer...

      What about the new person who does not make American dollars that is trying to start out by providing a service? Well, Allen as already addressed that issue and I believe it is free. It is the Work For Hire sub forum.

      That person needs to bust their butt and put the work in to earn the extra cash. It is as simple as that.
      Shannon
      Minor point here but the Warrior for hire section is a very reasonable $20.

      George Wright
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    The higher pricing isn't about stopping newbies posting their offer, it is being practical and following the norm of many other sites.

    If you sell on eBay, you have your standard price, and then you pay more for a featured listing, and the list goes on. The clue is you pay for these added features.

    Why should a new area not charge more for the extra benefits a warrior is going to get?
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  • Profile picture of the author drmani
    Originally Posted by admin View Post

    What do you think about an "Extremely Limited Offers" section?

    Offers that could:

    1. Only be run for up to 5 days then it goes into unmoderated status. Member can choose the time. 1 day, 2 days, 3 days...etc up to 5 days max.

    2. Offer could only be run ONCE for the same product. You couldn't run a limited offer for a product for 5 days and then run the same thing 5 days later.

    3. Thread Prefixes would be required. The prefixes would be something like 1 Day Offer, 2 Day Offer, 3 Day Offer...etc.. whatever yours is.

    May I suggest a simpler solution?

    Make WSOs "pay per day".

    I *know* my WSO will be OFF the page tomorrow - but can buy my way back in.

    Winners will stay.

    Maybe an index of how good a WSO is will be how long it's been around - which can be visible under the post (like "This is Day 5")

    If required, set a "maximum" number of days per WSO.

    And/or a "maximum number of WSOs per day" to make sure all fit on one page?!

    Just my 2 cents.

    Dr.Mani
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  • Profile picture of the author danconsultants
    Originally Posted by admin View Post

    Just had an idea and wanted to run it by you..

    What do you think about an "Extremely Limited Offers" section?

    Offers that could:

    1. Only be run for up to 5 days then it goes into unmoderated status. Member can choose the time. 1 day, 2 days, 3 days...etc up to 5 days max.

    2. Offer could only be run ONCE for the same product. You couldn't run a limited offer for a product for 5 days and then run the same thing 5 days later.

    3. Thread Prefixes would be required. The prefixes would be something like 1 Day Offer, 2 Day Offer, 3 Day Offer...etc.. whatever yours is.

    Everyone knows what a "limited time" offer can do in terms of sales.

    And I could make the section popular very quickly by running board wide notices about it.

    I'm not saying I will do this, just thinking, and wondering if it might relieve some of the pressure off the main WSO section.

    Any interest?
    ok, good idea. but i was thinking, is it possible to just do it and after 5days the product is gone.
    what if someone did not logged in within those 5days. what do you think
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    Uff, I'm late to the party... but I wanted to throw my "yes, great idea" vote into the mix. I also liked Martin's suggestion of expiring offers at the top of the pile as well as Paul's "elitist" suggestions.

    Great idea, Allen... and great brainstorming/discussion everyone else.

    Cheers,
    Becky
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