Business did not pan out as expected. Need your honest advice

Hi moars,

Unfortunately this kind of Initiation-By-Scam is common in the 'Internet Marketing' or 'Make Money Online' world.

Sounds like you've been doing things as best you can, here's an article that goes through the refund process:

https://warriorplus.com/support/knowledgebase.php?article=178


If you've tried and got no response, just go through PayPal, they are known for putting their customers first and will resolve the problem and reverse the transaction. If that doesn't work, go through your credit/debit people.

Like you said, you paid for a service you didn't get, and you have every right to your money back.

You say you've made money online before but are looking for training to make some significant money in what seems like not a lot of time.

Unfortunately you need lots of money to invest if you want to make lots of money fast, and if you already had lots of money I'd suggest you put that towards your medical bills.

Making large amounts of money consistently online takes either large investments of money or large investments of work and time.

You got suckered by a dishonest marketer, but the good thing is that it doesn't have to happen again.

If you're looking for fast money for your medical issues, you'd be better off selling things you own, taking manual labor gigs, or trying to raise the money through donations. I think there are a few threads talking about what to do if you're desperate for cash, here's one:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...desperate.html

If you're looking to make lots of money online, you'd be better off finding a successful business, site, product, figure, etc. online that you would like to emulate and developing a long term plan based on what they did to achieve success and working steadily to achieve your goals over time, say 1-3 years.

Hopefully some other warriors can help you with tips on how to get the results you're looking for, but in my experience I've had the best results with a good spring cleaning and ebay/craigslist for money (relatively) fast.

I wish you the best in everything

I don't know why a moderator 'approved' this thread. I really don't.

It's unclear what you paid for - how much you paid - how long you paid -and what the terms were in this "partnership". If you feel you were cheated by a WSO here - use the help desk to report it. Otherwise, this is between you and the person you hired or partnered with.

Read the fine print - the refund guarantee (if there was one) and the disclaimers...that YOU agreed to. Either you have a legal leg to stand on to get money back - or you don't. Did he provide too little - did you expect too much? No idea but there are always two sides to the story.

Sorry you are ill but that has nothing to with a business transaction - or with paypal. You won't know what paypal might do...if you don't ask or file a dispute and find out.

You are assuming this was a scam based on one side of a story.

No proof required?

Like I said - this thread should not have been approved - from the WF rules:

Okay, so now that negative nancy bled everywhere and got it out her system, let's resolve the issue!

What you got was an education, write off the sum as tuition to your empire.

I am sorry about your health condition, although look into reiki healing, get a book on it, and study and practice on yourself, it will help tremendously, may even cure that physical ailment.

Fail forward!

Gee - medical advice, too....is this a great place or what?

You fit in this thread better than I do - and that's not a compliment.

Maors, can you tell us more about the offer you paid for?

How much did you pay?

What was the promise?

He/she may have decided that they lived up to their end of the bargain, we won't know unless you tell us more. Right now we only have one side of the story.

I don't see why Warrior Plus is a strange way of paying? It's probably the #1 trusted way of paying on this forum.

Guys, I would show some empathy for someone with such a problem....
There are people here that are just trying to get other peoples' money without giving any value back... If we ignore this problem, it will eventually hurt us all.
I would say - go to Paypal and try to ask them for help. Maybe try some crowd funding to get the money you need for your medical situation? or ask friends/family for a loan? If you know how to make money, you'd be able to do it in the future, even if you lost now, but your health comes first! you should be concentrating on that at the moment.

And guys, I have a question of my own - say that you found out that one of the sellers here is scamming other people. What would you do? Is there any way/ anyone to report this so this person will be banned and doesn't hurt others?

In my opinion, this is a major problem that this community needs to take care of.

I think you have to attention on the things happend to you. first of all complete knowledge is must . here we all give you solution of your problem not for other things

I would (and have) reported them to the help desk. Admins look into it and if the person is scamming, the WSO is deleted. That happened to one person just a couple weeks ago.

Here is the problem in this thread: Lack of specific information of any kind.

No timeline - no amt spent - no mention of guarantee or what was in the disclaimer he received. We don't know if this happened last week or last year...whether it was a purchase through this forum or from a person who happened to be a member here. We don't know if it was a product or coaching or a Joint Venture...or what.

Sadly, it is not uncommon for someone to expect more than the seller was offering. We don't know if that is the case. It's also not unheard of that someone facing a financial crisis for health or other reasons....wants to get back money he spent in the past. I had a man ask for a refund 10 months after a $27 purchase....why? Because he "needed the money for Christmas". Yes, I refunded him... and blocked him from buying from me again.

I've had people pay a membership fee for 5-6 months and then ask for a full refund because they 'need the money'. No, they didn't get it back.

It says something that the OP filed a complaint with Warrior+ and they checked on it and took no action. It says something that he has not filed a dispute with Paypal....maybe over the time limit?

What I want is for people to look at such threads in a logical, rational way. Instead, many seem to buy into the "you were scammed".

One thing is clear- the OP posted this and logged off 4 hrs later without posting any answers to questions/concerns - and hasn't logged back in since then.

What do you want the forum to do - based on the info provided by the OP???? Why do you assume there is a 'major problem'?

You are generalizing. I didn't say there are no scams here - I'm addressing ONLY the OP's claims....but believe what you want. As usual here - people are more willing to accuse than to question.

I don't think there is enough info given here to assume 'scam' or to start a crusade against it - but do what you will.

scams are bad for business ey @Kay King

you have been SCAMMED

Everyone here has been scammed. it's said, but it's the truth.

So.

1 Fill a dispute with Paypal IMMEDIATELY.

2 Contact IMMEDIATELY your card bank and try a chargeback.

Saying this...ask yourself: WHY i've been scammed? (so you wont be scammed again)

Scammers, like in Hustle Tv Series is said,
are looking for people who

"Want all for nothing"

And they give back "Nothing for something".

I mean, you probably bought a product who claim you'll be rich with no much work, only buyin the product and follow the steps.

Thats "All for Nothing"

And the vendor scammer, ask you something for that all. You probably thought "something i have to pay, but if i gain that huge amount of money..."

..and you've been scammed.


The fact is, that you have to RISK THE MONEY YOU DONT NEED TO.

Not the money for bills.
Or food
....or WORSE: the Medical Treatment!

It's the first princple of an investor: dont put on the table the money you really need.

You can loose them, take in count, even the system is good.

Saying that: the SYSTEM IS ONLY ONE.

Building a List around a niche solving a problem of the niche.

And sell products to that list while givin informational value.

So it's better spending your money on traffic generation sources.
At least, if u loose them, or not convert too much, you learn something by try and fail.

Would you PM this member, get the name of the member he purchased from....and ban that seller here...based on the comment in this thread?

Would an Administrator feel obligated to investigate and get to the truth of the matter to protect other members from being scammed?

At least you have validated this sort of thread is now permitted here. I won't question future complaint threads...or respond to them.

I TOTALLY agree with that - and negative reviews have not only been permitted but encouraged in WSO threads. The only codicil is the review must be posted by a purchaser - and be about the product rather than an attack on the seller. In other words - state your concerns or complaint about the product or the seller where the seller can respond.

The OP has been back to the forum - but has not contributed anything further in the thread he started. This thread is damaging as it leads some to fear being scammed here and they will pass that warning on - based on a complaint that may or may not be 'valid'.

Unfortunately, the Internet is not the birthplace of scammers or suckers. They have both been around for a very long time. With such a concentration of potential victims, it's only logical the Warrior Forum would have a healthy crop of scammers.

You can't be a babysitter to every wide-eyed wannabe who's not smart enough to read things through, think things through and make intelligent decisions.

Caveat Emptor - the principle that the buyer alone is responsible for checking the quality and suitability of goods before a purchase is made.

I've been doing this nine years and have never been "scammed" past the point of buying an ebook that didn't deliver.

I read the fine print. I use PayPal or I don't buy. Quite simply, I protect myself online and everyone else has the same responsibility.

Brent

You should not try to make it "easier" - the forum should make it "clear" that members are responsible for their own decisions.

As for WSO's - this poster never mentioned "WSO". However, that section is still posting guarantees (spotted one today that guarantees $150 a day - just not in the title).

The WSO threads are filled with useless comments of those asking for reviews copies in thread after thread (against the rules but not enforced) - with those asking for discounts and the most recent "comment style" - "sounds good I would buy but no money". Those posts were deleted in minutes in the past - but not now.

Moderating the WSO forum is work - I know that. But it's critical to the success of that section and the reputation of the forum.

How about cliff notes of the WSO rules (For buyers and sellers) - clearly visible in that section....AND a "disclaimer" also clearly visible that outlines a buyer's responsibility and what protection there is - if any. TELL buyers to use due diligence to evaluate both offer and seller and that a 'refund guarantee' cannot be assumed if it's not clearly mentioned.

Ouch!

eDreamer is correct, go to PayPal their very good in responding to refunds. The IM world is full of "snake oil" that's what I have found out over the years since I have been skating around this industry.

I'm sorry to hear this happened to you, it sucks but there are some people out there that are just after your money and not interested in providing actual value to customers. File a dispute through paypal they should be able to get you your money back.

Go thru Paypal for the refund. If he does have any sort of reputation or business at all, he'll know he can't lose his reputation with Paypal... Good luck, and I'll be glad to suggest some offline things you can do to make money if that helps, and I hope your treatment goes well-

Hi,

I would gather as much documentation as possible (time and dates you met, what was discussed etc) and maybe seek some legal advice? If you paid with a credit card, then maybe your bank could help. Reaching out to Paypal could also help.

Hope you find a way to solve this problem ASAP.


Best,
Timothy

After reading the OPs post again something not sitting right ! and the fact that there has never been a reply and the last time the OP was on forum was the day of the thread

5 days ago , I mean if you wanted advice would you not thank and ask more questions re the issue? gut tells me this may not be legit just hope I am wrong

Jason

I feel your pain and this industry is unfortunately rampant with unscrupulous 'me first" marketers posing as legit coaches, trainers, and gurus. Hopefully, if you used Pay pal and there was some guarantee in writing you may have some recourse. I wish you the best and hope more for your health and future prosperity

Best wishes

I'm sorry to hear you got scammed. It has happened to me a couple of times, with two different so called coaches. $1000 the first time and $500 the second. I paid for a service, got very little in return and an unfinished job for all the money invested.

In both instances I went to PayPal with complete documentation, including receipts for monies paid, emails sent back and forth with all the excuses for non delivery and promises to refund me (which never happened). You know what PayPal did? Not a damn thing. They let them keep my money.

Bottom line...learn from the lesson and move on. PayPal is out to make a buck. they don't care about your circumstances or mine. Sorry to sound so callous, but it's the hard truth. PayPal don't give a crap about anyone but PayPal. I'd say that there's a 99.9% chance you'll never see that money again.

The second time it happened I was so pissed off I went and posted info about the scammer on RipoffReport.com, as well as trashing his reputation in a lot of marketing groups on Facebook. I posted screen captures of his emails to me with all his lies exposed. There are a lot of people who now know to steer clear of him.

I figure that if I'm never going to see my money again, I could at least do what I could to prevent him from scamming someone else.

Halo everybody. First of all, thank you for all the advice you gave me. There are some great people here and that is the reason I came here for help:-)
I am trying to work things out with the seller, and hope to fix the situation soon. I managed to make him reply me about some of the problems and questions at last, and trying to get a refund, if it won't succeed I go to Paypal. More optimistic now than I was a few days ago (maybe he saw this post and it helped, I don't know).

To all of you that think that I am a fraud.... well - why on earth would someone comes here and posts this kind of thread - with no names and details, just to waste your time? I chose not to put any details, because starting a world war with someone who has my money didn't seem like a smart step.... and I'm also aware of the fact that the warrior forum is not responsible for this kind of things.

All I wanted is some advice from people with similar experience, that's all.

I also chose not to reply here because I saw a few comments that seemed to be blaming me, as if I offended someone here personally. Well - I didn't. And I never said that everybody here in the forum is a fraud - on the contrary - I've never been scammed here in the past!

I actually believe that most people here are honest. But when you purchase you have to check out very carefully what you are doing and who you are doing business with.

By the way - I didn't try to make money fast (unless you think that 6 - 12 month is super fast to start making some income). but I knew that if I've tried to figure out everything by myself, it could take years.

That might be a mistake in my way of thinking, but still, I don't think that the punishment for this mistake should be so harsh:-)

Anyway, I am glad I asked for help and again would like to thank everybody here who gave their advice and shared their knowledge. I was also happy to see the important discussion, that might hep other prevent from what happened to me.

Sorry to hear about this and i'm sure most of this is too familiar to us all. I'm hoping you get this resolved.

Sorry to hear about your plight. Many have been caught out by these sort of people!

I am not just a member of this club, I am the president. I got scammed for $35K by some guy locally. I feel for you but keep trying. My goal is to recoup the money lost with an honest and ethical business venture and will help people from being victimized by the likes of the guy I dealt with and the one you mentioned. Good luck and hang in there

Whenever I went through a problem like this, and paypal couldn't assist me, I would call my bank, and they would swiftly take action and return my money back to me.

Call your bank and tell them the situation.

That you would complain to Warrior+ - and "work with" the seller about "problems and questions" but are "trying to get a refund" and not file a dispute with Paypal....makes no sense to many of us who understand how "things" work.

A couple years ago Paypal changed it's "dispute window" from 45 days to 180 days....but it doesn't stay open forever.

You are correct to think it "takes time" - but I'm not sure what the "harsh punishment" is so maybe I'm missing something. Did you pay for 6-12 months and then ask for a full refund? Is that why you haven't filed with paypal? Answering a few of the questions asked in this thread would help others understand the issue.

I hope you can resolve this - but the failure to file with Paypal is unusual.

How is your PayPal funded?

If by credit card, do a chargeback [worst case scenario]..

Until then, exhaust efforts with Warrior+ support & PayPal..

Desperate people make desperate mistakes.

I've enjoyed a few free webinars by some famous ones, but I've never paid and never plan to pay for "training."

Hi guys,I'm looking for some help too!

About 6 months ago I developed a website - http://www.mysocialrewards.com.au

The initial idea was to tap in to high performing CPA offers in Australia and build the website as a platform where everyday people could represent brands to their friends and make real money, we would give them offers to promote, collect the affiliate reward from our advertisers and pass a percentage of the CPA back to the users on the website who promoted our deal. The way I see it is that everytime I'm able to get a user to sign up to my website:

1. They have the potential to purchase a listed offer on the website
2. They have the potential to share offers with their friends to make money for themselves and me
3. They have the potential to share a sign up link with their friends who can then make money for themselves and me and their friend (you get 20% of whatever your friends earns for the lifetime of their account on top of their earnings)

So there are a few multipliers there and to me it seems like a pretty solid idea if I can push the right traffic to it.

Things started off pretty well and we had a few people who were close to us using the site and making some money for both themselves and my business, I have since then struggled to get users to actually use the platform due to a lack of trying really and have put it on the side burner for a while. I am once again interested in making it work.

I have a few questions to the Warrior forum members.

1.What do you think of the idea?
2. Do you have any ideas initially that may help push traffic?
3. If you like the idea is there anyone who'd like to get involved?

Thanks guys, really appreciate your help on this one.

Do you mind if I asked you a few questions?

1. What are you promoting?

2. Who are you promoting to?

3. And why are you promoting in the first place?

Truth being said, most people only want to go online to make money for themselves and loved ones.

Regardless of what reasons they give, those are the 2 main practical reasons

The point I am trying to make is from those 3 questions is that sales and marketing is NOT just about selling more stuff to make more money.

Sales and marketing - never mind on-or-offline - is about connecting with your target audience and niche.

As in the group of people - you KNOW will be interested in what you have to offer and CONNECT with them.

That is how you build relationships and trust.

Before recommending products and services - can be your own or others you are promoting as an affiliate - as solutions to their needs and wants.

Everyday people - including me - see their inbox full of email promos. Unless they are from marketers and friends they know and trusted, chances are most will simply delete and thrash them.

That is the result of what I called Ad And Email Blindness.

Even if they opted in to some of those marketers list but have forgotten after a few days.

If I were you, I will contact the affiliate network in which he promotes his products on as platform for refund.

If he is promoting his in-house affiiate program on a private site, then that might be a problem.