Giving what I experience to help people here

by avny 30 replies
Hey warriors

I am not actually a forum poster guy as you can see from my stats.
The thing is I tried to help "people" with free and 1 dollars wso's but I saw that is not an efficient strategy. I mean the wso section is for "selling" and since I don't create compelling sales pages, I do not get any traction.

So here I am with you all buddies.
Nothing to hide. Just pure love.

Biggest mistakes of newbies

SOS

I do not really like the use that term but for the sake of clearness, I will need to use "noob, newbie" terms.

So you basically "find" warriorforum online and gosh "thousands of income possibilities at your fingertips". That is great, right?

Yeah it is great. I guess not every one "trying this make money online thing" knows about warriorforum.
So you are really really luck to find this place.
For me the biggest advantage of warriorforum is you can ask some really successful people questions instead of trying to get coaching from an unknown "guru". And I sincerely believe one can start their online biz from the ground just reading the forum.
But
if you are mostly inside wso section or warriorplus or jvzoo "sales pages", you need to be careful about what you are doing.
Now do not get me wrong there are very good wso's in the wso section. Infact I think wso section is much more transparent than warriorplus and jvzoo offers.
More of that, I believe wso section got a really high quality "change" after freelancer bought warriorforum. If you are one of the guys that remember wso section was "swarmed" by "how to make money by teaching people how to make money" style "offers", you exactly know what I mean.
So do not think I will bash wso's.
The thing is getting in a buying frenzy is "dangerous".
If you are buying product after product and you have nothing to show for, then you need to immediately get out of that mindset known as SOS (shiny object syndrome). This is something like a snowball effect.

At the beginning you have a normal inbox. Then you buy your first "product" and you do not take action on it. Then you get recommended "offers" from the email list you subscribed by the product vendor. Then you buy the offer. Then you get subscribed to the other vendor.
And before you know it, your email inbox is like craigslist.
Worse you are know a "junkie".

Would you be surprised if I would tell you SOS is working in the same manner as substance addiction?
Yes that is a not a theory. You can see here what I mean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compul...uying_disorder

So this is not a joke.
If you have this kind of disorder you will need to do something different than what you are already doing.
You know the meaning of insanity, right?
You have to seek medical attention if you are in deep phases. Not kidding.
Here is an excerpt from wikipedia:
"Compulsive shopping may be considered an impulse control disorder, an obsessive-compulsive disorder, a bipolar disorder,[3] or even a clinical addiction, depending on the clinical source."

Basically if you think you are somehow into SOS, forget about the money. Save yourself first.

So best thing you should make sure is : Know what phase you are in SOS and recover.

Buying products do not make "money". Acting makes it.

I started making my income after I stopped "buying".

So be very careful, if you will not take action then do not buy.

Take action on every thing you buy. If you do not have time then outsource it. There are thousands of people out there that will "take action" on the "product" you bought "for you" and give you feedback for a few dollars.
If the product does not give the value promised by the vendor then get a refund.

So this was you do not waste nor your time and neither your money. ( There is actually a product I got about this topic.So know that what I am telling you here is not "theory" )

Analysis Paralysis

The number 1 problem you are not where you want to be is "you do not know what you want".



Let me describe what I mean.

There is nothing as "make money online". Period.

Let this sink in.

There is nothing like that.

Instead there is : list building, product launch, affiliate marketing, CPA and list goes on.

So FIRST thing you have to do is : DECIDE WHAT WAY YOU WANNA GO AND NEVER TURN BACK OR JUMP ANOTHER PLANE WHEN YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF FLIGHT.

Hope this makes sense.

A very generic example is : Buying courses on every topic without even knowing what is it about.
Getting into a cpa network and then jumping to product launch and then binary options.

What you need to do is research. It is free. You are already on WF so just do it.
When you find your style then you can "buy" any product on that topic.
But if you do not have any capital or you do not want to buy, then you can also use WF to learn the actual strategies to start your online biz.
This forum is full of golden nuggets. Do not make the assumption they will not work since they are not attached to a sales letter.



Dark side of SOLO Ads

If you have bought products about "list building" you already know the solo ads.
Basically, solo ads are the easiest way of building an email list.

But should be extremealy carefull about it.

You can not basically afford to buy someone on facebook even though they have "glowing testimonials".

Faking as a solo ad vendor is not that hard.

Most popular places to cheat buyers are skype and facebook groups.
Some scammas do it fulltime and earn $5000+ a month, so they take own business seriously and cheat professionally.

Let’s say scamma John decided to start stealing money from buyers by selling fake traffic, what would he do?

Step 1: Create Fake Identities

John creates 10-15 accounts with different names on Facebook, Skype and few forum accounts.
John uses American names only, most of them are women, because generally women get more trust.
Many finds avatars for all fake accounts. Avatar will never be professional photo. Pretty girl, but not too hot.

Step 2: Fake “Proof” And Testimonials

Using graphics editor, John also creates fake screenshots from stats and autoresponders.

John cross-posts happy testimonials from all his accounts, claiming crazy results and excellent experience.
John sends few emails from one account to another with happy comments, thanking for great traffic and begging for more clicks.
He creates screenshots and adds these testimonials to other fake screenshots.

John creates free autoresponder account and creates a video of him entering the member area. Then he opens Firebug plugin, edits number of subscribers with fake big number and records another video with modified subscribers count. Using any video editor, John combines two videos. Video with fake subscriber number overlays original one. This creates effect that John logged into his autoresponder to show large number of subscribers.

Step 3: Start Selling Fake Clicks

John starts posting his solo ad promos in adswap and solo mailing groups, claiming he has just started with fresh list, but already has few happy clients. He posts his “screenshot” with proof, adds a video of autoresponder. He already has fake comments on his page from other accounts. Buyers believe this and buy solos.

Now John has to send fake traffic to buyer’s website, but it has too look real. It is very easy to do.

John buys proxy list.

John buys a bot app to make thousands clicks. This app has a proxy list built in. It switches proxies and makes fake clicks. For each click it uses new proxy and then uses random computer info (OS, browser, screen, etc) This way traffic looks real: all “visitors” come from different countries, they all have different computer configurations.

Step 4: Adding Fake Optins

After all clicks have been “delivered”, John has to create visibility that some of his visitors actually signed up on victim’s website. John visits the site and looks at signup form. Most likely it’s name/email combination. App has a list with names and last names, John inputs values into app and it creates accounts on victim’s site, randomly rotating names and emails.

John’s buyer is happy: according to his statistics, he got tons of clicks and about 40% of them have registered on his site. Buyer sends a testimonial for John. This is the first real testimonial for John for his fake traffic. He immediately adds it to his page and gets even more sales.

Step 5: Sales? No Problem

If buyer’s product is cheap, John can even make a purchase or two. If customer paid $40-50, pair sales for $7 won’t be a problem for John, his profit will go down $14, but the buyer will be very happy, because he thinks John’s traffic is of high quality. His list buys.

But John is greedy scamma, he will ask a refund in 20-25 days. He will say that “product is not for me” or “I didn’t use it, sorry” and will get a refund. His buyer will not remember that both “customers” were from John, because he already bought few other solos from other people. He doesn’t track what customer belongs to what seller.

Things could become even worse if John participates in black hat credit card fraud forums and used stolen credit cards to make sales. After owners of these cards will see unauthorized charges, they will initiate chargebacks and site owner will have to pay chargeback fees on top of refund. After that PayPal can even decide that buyer’s site is high risk and close his account altogether. PayPal does that on regular basis, just Google paypal horror stories.

Step 6: Dealing With Smart Buyers

Some buyers suspect fraud, but most likely they won’t post anything on public. They will ask questions and John will do his best to convince them the traffic was very good. If he won’t be able to convince buyer, he will easily give a refund. John spent nothing, but time. It is easy to give a refund and buyer won’t keep pushing.


What you should do then?

I suggest only using solo ad vendors from udimi or soloadsx or other controlled enviroinments.



Buying or Scraping Lists

If you are like me and like to hack strategies, you can think about "alternative" ways to build an email list.

One of the alternatives is scraping.
Basically you use an automated software to scrape emails from internet.

You can get thousands of emails easily. Pretty hot right?

NO.

Because what you are doing needs a profession on bulk emailing industry.
So if you do NOT know the meaning of spam trap then get ready to shut down your autoresponder.
Because the emails you scraped off the internet will have many spam traps and just one mail you send these will put you on blacklists and your other emails will not get delivered to your recepients inbox.


What you will need to do is "clean" your email list first and then bulk email.

But here is another problem.
You can not basically upload an email list to aweber.

So you will need to find a bulk emailing service provider.

But then another problem.
Since the people on your list does not know you or not interested in what you offer, you will get astonishing "open rates" let alone "clicks".
For example you can send 10 000 emails and get 100 opens and 10 clicks.



What you need to do?
You need to "warm up" the email list.
How?
I do not know.
I stopped at that point. But there could be some professionals knowing that. But I guess it is not easy.

What about "buying" an email list?
This kind of email lists deserve to "buy" right?

Well, the answer is same as "solo ad" vendors.
You can basically "buy" "scraped" emails thinking you are getting "niche specific red hot leads".

So where you should buy?
Again I do not know as buying email lists is kind of dark side. I am not that inside dark side.

But what I know is, coregistration is a much more clear approach to "builing your list instantly".
Basically you get subs from real, legal sites.
You can check Opt-Intelligence. (infact this sentence is summary of a wso from a very well know vendor)
For more networks you can check this post (No it is not my site.): https://monetizepros.com/lead-genera...tion-networks/



Easiest way to make money!!

One of the most asked questions is : "hey dude. what is the easiest way to create an influx of dollars to my PayPal account?!"

For me, answer is: leverage.



For example: do launch jack by leveraging "buyer" traffic.
There are many products on muncheye that will launch. Find an offer. Get a review copy.(By the way you are saving your money and getting paid stuff for free this way. This is an excellent way to get rid of SOS )
Then do a video review and put on youtube and rank it with a fiverr gig. What I have just told you here in this paragraph is the essence of 90% "make money online products" sold on warriorplus and Clickbank.

For example : Get inside "make money online from home" type of facebook groups and interact with people. Forward them to your sign up page. Build your list. And you know what to do with your list, right? If not read more about monetizing your email list on WF. (This method is also sold as a product by others)



A perfect example of helping others helps you:
There is a site called seoclerks.com
The site is mostly known for seo providers with ultra economic rates.
You can even get services for just a dollar.
These people are doing great services without asking big price points.
So it seems they need help right?
Just browse the site and find someone with good reviews and find a service you like.
Lets say it is a 5$ web site seo service.
You can buy it for a friends web site and get the site ranked.
And your friend will possibly thank you for your efforts and will give you more than 5$.
So what you have done?
You helped the seller at seoclerks and paid it forward and you also helped your friend and at the same time you helped your very own self by getting paid and getting thanked.
Got the point?
All you risked is 5$!
And maybe before you know it you will establish your local marketing company using these gigs.
So do not overcomplicate things. You can do anything. There is an outsourcer for what ever service you need to provide to your clients.
Work on top of your company not inside of it.


By the way there is no way of "push button commissions".
There is one way as near as "push button" and it is email marketing.
So behave your email list like "gold". Infact today I read from another warrior post. Here it is:
"So helpful - and more powerful - to connect 1 to 1 with human beings versus seeing folks as a list subscriber or numbers on a screen."
You can read that post here : https://www.warriorforum.com/main-in...l#post11071574

Yeah so thanks for reading and do not hesitate to add your comments and questions.

Yours truthfull

AVNY



Why I am giving so much value?

Yeah believe me or not the information I am giving on this thread is a sum of many paid wso's and personal experience that can not be explained with monetary figures.

I have personally endured many struggles, got into SOS severely, added paycheck after paycheck to "guru"s pockets. Got shout on the face "go find a job".
For me this is the revenge time.
I have ZERO interest in "creating a product" and teaching people what I teach here.
Because I am not after money. No more. My priority is "GIVING TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF VALUE".
I welcome the consequences of it.

But let me also explain this in detail so that this post will not be one of that "hey I want to help you" sales pages.

I was just like you.
Failed over and over and it goes on....you know.

Then I got hard work ethics, got rid of SOS. Started doing local marketing.
Then got my arse kicked by one of my "local marketing coaching" students.
Then built my email list and got that sweet affiliate commissions. Push button stuff. You know it right?

But then I got an epiphany.
I felt like I had to give more value than I got in.
This is like an energetic law of happiness.
I felt it deep inside.

I understood making commissions without really helping others is POINTLESS.
Having the financial lifestyle you dreamed of is NOTHING if you are emotionally and spiritually not engaged with others.
Would you like to own the whole world with no other human beings inside?
That is exactly what I felt.

So I am doing what I am supposed to be.
Good, real, honest guy. Maybe a Hero. Who knows?

Also this post will lead to a very important experiment for me.

I am the type of person which hates "theory".
Practically I hate to learn things that I won't use.
So when I see something and think it is ok, I instantly TAKE ACTION on it.

I am fan of Gary and there is a very strange story of that why.
But let me focus on this.
One of his quotes say


Do you aggree? Or not?
I do aggree with him.
But that is not enough.
I have to actually DO it!
Got the point?

I am actually doing it. Giving my best advice for free.
Will this work?
We will see.
You can add this page to your favorites and check back and see too.

But I am 100% confident.
Why?
Because I am already feeling that positive vibes on myself.
Getting great compliments. Thanks. Those are like paychecks to me.
I do not care if this will post lead me to very financial success or not.
For me success is "feeling I am doing the right thing"

The interesting thing with Gary Vaynerchuk and me is whenever I read some of his quotes, I instantly get that feeling "hey that is me".
For example here is a quote for the success from Gary's own words.

You see what I mean, right?

So I do it.

By the way, if you are one of those guys who do not want to "do the work", "give value" and only "want the that luxury lifestyle" then I have some big news for you.
You are in the wrong zone. You are chasing that "low energy".
I guarantee you will not be successful.
No I am not saying you will not get rich, I am saying you will not be successfull.

So you can pretty much become "financially rich" without "hard work, dedication, giving value". What you need to do is basically "sell your soul to devil" and he will pay for it handsomely. Get rid of all your "humanly aspects" and exercise lying like crazy.
"Fake it till you make it".
Find a guru with the same energy level like you who will teach you how to "cheat people" and make a ton of money "easily". Like taking a candy bar from a child.
And soon you will have that lifestyle "lying on the Caribbean beach and checking your bank account and answering a few emails and sipping your margarita and kissing your hopefully girl "friend" telling her how much you just "made" and brag your "friends".

I have just received a perfect example of this "let me fck you so that you can fck others" and "scam the greedy" phenomenon.





A perfect article from Gary V

I’m not over the fact that everyone seems to have an insane lack of patience and a lack of understanding of what it takes to be successful. There are so many of you out there with the same exact questions about how to be an entrepreneur or how to run a successful business or how to do x, y, and z. And so many times I have given you the same answer: put out content; build a great product; test and try it all; use your data; use your intuition; test and learn, test and learn, test and learn. It takes time, talent, and skill.

However, what’s most frustrating is that I’m giving you so many of these answers yet most of you still aren’t actually doing it.


Have a great product and need to bring awareness to potential customers? You can do it through content marketing. You can do it through advertising. You can do it by going to the Chamber of Commerce. You can do it by cold calling every single business in town and getting their support. There are so many ways to do it.

But one way not to do it is by watching all my videos or reading Seth Godin’s books and just pondering and white-boarding all day about what your next move is going to be. Too many of you just read and consume and make pretend and talk about how “you’re gonna do this” or “you’re gonna do that.” Lack of action is not the way to do it.

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  • Profile picture of the author jords16
    This is very good post, I really enjoyed reading this..

    If you are buying product after product and you have nothing to show for, then you need to immediately get out of that mindset known as SOS (shiny object syndrome). This is something like a snowball effect.
    At the beginning you have a normal inbox. Then you buy your first "product" and you do not take action on it. Then you get recommended "offers" from the email list you subscribed by the product vendor. Then you buy the offer. Then you get subscribed to the other vendor.
    And before you know it, your email inbox is like craigslist.
    Worse you are know a "junkie".
    Just take action whatever you are into right now. and just consistent with it. you will be good..
    instead of buying products, you will always going back to zero.
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    • Profile picture of the author avny
      Originally Posted by jords16 View Post

      This is very good post, I really enjoyed reading this..



      Just take action whatever you are into right now. and just consistent with it. you will be good..
      instead of buying products, you will always going back to zero.
      great you love it. Even though I have spelling errors I have just discovered.
      I need to check my grammarly plugin if it works properly. or maybe will need to upgrade.
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  • Profile picture of the author Craigcmatthew
    making money online isn't easy. you will end up pulling your hair in frustration. and slowly go bald like me.
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    • Profile picture of the author avny
      Originally Posted by Craigcmatthew View Post

      making money online isn't easy. you will end up pulling your hair in frustration. and slowly go bald like me.


      honesty makes me love people
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      "bald like me" .. heard that :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    AVNY....excellent, excellent post.

    From my experience, leveraging works. But I only leveraged after I raised my vibe. Or, after I chose to do things more from a place of service, versus, self-serving.

    The stuff you mention up top is about 100% coming from a place of fear, lack, limitation and worry. More fear than anything. Scared folks trying to lead scared folks right down the same path of over hyping and doing stuff predominantly to make money. I don't blame them at all: when I was terrified of losing it all, I did the same thing.

    But if you address your fears, and simply let them go, a neat thing happens: you do what you do online not mainly to GET, but to GIVE. More love. Less fear. Creating gets easier and easier, and then, you begin to do smart, abundant stuff, like leveraging your presence through the techniques you mentioned, or through guest posting or blog commenting.

    Making money online has been the most difficult venture of my life, but only because I let fear rule my decisions. I went from hyping stuff up, to hiding away my opportunities, to a bunch of places in between, and I struggled really, really terribly. It was a nightmare. For years.

    I turned things around slowly but surely by focusing less and less on getting or squeezing stuff out of folks, moving away from manipulating people and circumstances just to make enough to eat and pay bills, and I focused more and more on serving, spreading love, helping, answering questions, feeling empathy, assisting people for free and then of course, charging generous rates for the generous services I provided.

    IM with integrity guys. Really; you will avoid years or decades of struggle if you set an intent to help folks, to have fun online, to build a thriving IM venture on a heart-centered model and not to get caught up in fear-based greed and hopelessness and desperation which leads folks down the paths that results in the lower energy tactics you reference in your post.

    You can see opportunities for leveraging when you vibe higher than the fear-based IM crowd. The crowd that suffers from SOS or other lower energy afflictions. Again, I love these guys and I get it. I have experienced this and many other issues, mentally, from losing it all and feeling ashamed and embarrassed. I also steadily and surely owned many of my deepest fears so I could clear them out and blog increasingly from a place of love, to genuinely help people. That shift marked a huge turning point in my online life and it also marked a big turning point in my offline life too.

    Leveraging Strategies

    Keep these tactics in mind guys, in addition to the ones shared by the OP

    - Guest Posting on Niche-Related Blogs
    - Blog Commenting on Niche-Related Blogs
    - Promoting Other IMers through Social Media (Goodness this brings up the commonly held fear of competition/running out of sales/fear of loss/fear of helping out folks in the same niche)
    - Promoting other IMers through Features and Interviews
    - Simply Emailing Other IMers and Asking Them How You Can Help Them


    Those are 5 actionable tips most Warriors can take right now, that will move you away from the lower energy, misery-inducing, fear-based tactics all too common in IM toward the higher energy, fun, happiness-inducing, love-driven, profit-building tactics that lift up the collective online world from a business perspective.

    I have see periods of bust and boom and many different experiences in between. If you give, and help, and serve, all the fear and anger and agitation and hopelessness that you may be experiencing now - either triggered by business struggles or triggered by reading this post - all that stuff will dissolve when you own it, when you feel it (however unpleasant this is...and it IS unpleasant at times), and keep on giving and helping an serving, connecting with successful IMers in your niche, learning from helpful pros, helping them too and just persisting no matter what life seems to throw in your way.

    I hope this helps anybody who is struggling like heck with IM or blogging right now.

    Super post OP.

    Thanks for sharing.

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    • Profile picture of the author avny
      Thanks for your great compliment Ryan.
      I truly appreciate the kind words from a professional like you.

      One of the key points you have made bold is networking.

      I learned and believe that anyone regardless of where they are in their IM career should network like crazy.
      "Your net worth is your network" - One of the best advice.

      I guess some people here may find this vibrational stuff a bit hypey or mystic ideas.
      So I want to explain it as it is a very important topic.
      Every one of us has some vibrational current around ourselves.
      These vibrations could be low or high.
      Low vibrations are when we just care about ourselves. When we cheat. When we lie. You got the idea.
      It is the synonym of "sin" in religions.
      High vibrations are when we care about others. When we love them. Help them. You feel some lightness in yourself.
      It is that high vibration.
      The importance of your vibration is very critical for your mental, emotional and financial health.
      When you have low vibrations you actually "close" the "open doors".
      Because you always repel positive things and attract the negative.
      You get many opportunities but somehow can not use them.
      You find yourself in anger and lost focus.

      So it is essential to clear your vibration and get high.
      How can you vibrate higher?

      Easy!

      Just do what I am doing.

      Help and care for others without even thinking about a financial gain.
      This creates a very powerful energetic field around yourself and you start to attract good people and opportunities like a magnet. People loves you and your emotional and psychic side starts to guide you and work along side your mental and rational side. Your intuition explodes. You do not try to get clients, they come to you naturally.

      If you ask me if these "theory" works in real life.
      My answer is: Yes.
      I have personally tested it and I am attached to this model because it works.

      You do not need to take my word, in fact, you can test this strategy yourself and see how it works.

      How did this work for me?

      Well, I have been doing local marketing for long.
      But I always had the problem of keeping my leads coming continuously.
      This week I called one of my friends who works as a security guard and told him that I will personally hold his hand and teach him how to make sites for local businesses. Not only that I will buy a domain for him and build his personal site for him and also help with the first client he will land.
      He thanked me.
      Then I got a call from another friend who I have never told about my local marketing business. Interestingly enough he asked me if I make sites! I was like?! That is great sure I do. He asked me a price and I said "hey you're my friend. I won't charge you as a stranger." and he complimented "hey man. price is not an issue, I can pay. I just want a brilliant site"

      Can you relate?

      I hope you do.

      So do what I have done. It will work. You will see with your own eyes.

      Do not let whatever "value" you have to "sleep". Let it vibrate. It will pay off, do not worry!
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by avny View Post







    What you need to do?
    You need to "warm up" the email list.
    How?
    I do not know.
    I stopped at that point. But there could be some professionals knowing that. But I guess it is not easy.
    I always found letting them know more about you in the opening emails can be beneficial. Let them know your history in IM as well as even some personal stuff. Your Likes and Dislikes. Throw some humor in there and let them know you are an actual human being ( imagine that in IM lol). You would be surprised how far that can go l

    And this will warm them up some.

    Most people whose list Iam on just do the regular two sentence emails saying "buy this or buy that". Nothing memorable about them and who they are

    Wrong !!!


    - Robert Andrew
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  • Profile picture of the author avny
    Thanks, Robert.
    You are always positive and add value to the conversation.
    What you have just posted reminded me one of the courses of Michael Cheney about how he engages with his list and make more than other affiliates. He connects the product he will promote with some engaging thought as you had given examples of.
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  • Profile picture of the author propanther
    Very interesting post.

    I think you hit the nail with some of the points you made, it makes me look back at myself making all those mistakes especially with the SOS problem. I just wanted to get things done that I could make some money. As a matter of fact I actually dipped my feet in everything that says make money online, so I know where you are coming from with this and it really hurts when you are scammed.
    I am in a better place now and what I realize over time is you will never make any money without you know exactly what you are doing. Also when you know what you are doing money will come automatically.

    On the other hand many of the materials you buy to help you are useless it just leave you more confused than before you got them. I am not even talking about the coaches that charge you big money to help you, all they do is tell you to do, and not how to do it.
    That's what I had face so I know this to be truthful I had the experience I can write a book everything I have been through but I just put them aside I don't want to dig them back up I find a better future and I am focusing on what is before me now.

    It's very hard for affiliates to make money in this clutter of information, and it's also hard to find the right information wondering which is the right one.
    One thing I can say you can make real money once you find the right opportunity and apply the strategies.
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    • Profile picture of the author avny
      Originally Posted by propanther View Post

      Very interesting post.

      I think you hit the nail with some of the points you made, it makes me look back at myself making all those mistakes especially with the SOS problem. I just wanted to get things done that I could make some money. As a matter of fact I actually dipped my feet in everything that says make money online, so I know where you are coming from with this and it really hurts when you are scammed.
      I am in a better place now and what I realize over time is you will never make any money without you know exactly what you are doing. Also when you know what you are doing money will come automatically.

      On the other hand many of the materials you buy to help you are useless it just leave you more confused than before you got them. I am not even talking about the coaches that charge you big money to help you, all they do is tell you to do, and not how to do it.
      That's what I had face so I know this to be truthful I had the experience I can write a book everything I have been through but I just put them aside I don't want to dig them back up I find a better future and I am focusing on what is before me now.

      It's very hard for affiliates to make money in this clutter of information, and it's also hard to find the right information wondering which is the right one.
      One thing I can say you can make real money once you find the right opportunity and apply the strategies.
      The bold sentence you said is worth at least a few thousand dollars because that is what average people pay to understand this truth by "buying".

      But let me add this fact.
      I believe

      You can have all the courses and tools in your arsenal. I mean even if had you bought 500k worth of IM stuff, I personally guarantee you will not make any significant income.

      This may sound like a crazy hypothesis.
      Do you want me to prove it?

      Okay. Here it is.
      Did you know there are some blackhat sites that share "every" IM course and tool they can?
      Do you think members of these forums make a ton money?

      No. They do not. Most of them are just like you. Searching for the silver bullet.
      Push button money maker.

      The only difference between you and them is:
      You buy a course a day and they download 10 courses a day.
      The result is same as what you experience though.

      Hope this gives all a clear idea about products.
      Products do not make money, action does.
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  • Profile picture of the author avny
    Hey, guys, I want to add something crazy about this "pay it forward" and "let your vibrations high with selfishlessly helping others" thing.

    I got a call from my security guard friend that he helped one of his security guard friend to find a much better job than he had. He said that after that some guy he helped from another city called him and offered my security guard friend a much better job.
    It is crazy guys. Both me and myfriend attested "vibrations" work like charm.

    So do not hesitate to give absolute value to any one you love.
    There is no possibility of loss.

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  • Profile picture of the author avny
    I have finally decided to do something that I should be doing.
    I decided to share every bit of experience and thoughts without "perfecting the angle".
    You see we are bombarded with "guru"s or experts, professional blogs, sales letters, Hollywood-grade "production"s. But the reality is much more different than those "ideal"s. You do not play that "cool" dude speaking thousands and pitching them "the cure". You and I are much more different.
    We have our own problems. We have a family to look after. We have "stress" of meeting ends "paycheck to paycheck" as they say in Us.
    We do not have that "audience". Thousands in our "mailing list". Not a single "best-seller" on Amazon. Yet we "think" they have the cure. What an illusion!
    The reality is we need "the things" that we "really need now". We do not need 1000 and 1 e-books on sales funnels when we have not built "one" yet.
    We do not need to listen just another "growth hacking seminar" when we have not got anyone to listen to us.
    And clearly we do not need to have "digital products on every marketing topic imaginable" when we clearly know they will only "eat up" hard drive space on our Pc's.
    Did not they tell us we just need "a pc and an internet connection" to make whatever amount of income we need? What an irony?!
    Yeah, I am ranting. I am saying what my subconsciousness tells me. Because what it tells me looks like the bare truth.

    Let me tell you a story. But this is not one the "sales page stories". This is real.
    I have personally encountered the shine of a newbie.
    I mean the guy had started literally from zero sales to making thousands on "konker.io" and then hopping on to the "solo ads" and then "biz opps" train. He is now kinda guru. At least his "fb profile" reflects that.
    He can barely speak English due to him being from india.He is the living proof of what is possible when you hustle enough.

    And also another guy that I personally tried to help and he got "figured it out" how to sell on konker.io and scaled like crazy.

    Why am I telling you these?
    It is because the first guy has some solid advice I will add here.
    Think about him advice carefully.
    He says there are two type of activities :
    1. Activities that satisfy your urge to make you feel like you are doing "something"
    2. Activities that actually add value to your online business

    So buying products, watching webinars and sifting through that endless pile of "promotional stuff" are in the first type of activities.
    Building your sales funnel, driving traffic and creating Jv relationships are of the second type. And these are the REAL stuff.

    So get rid of type 1 and focus your energy on type 2!

    What I am doing here is I believe type 2. Because I am actually giving value to others and criticising myself so that I make self better!

    I promise here: I will add more posts to this thread and share what I do and what I learn just like a blog.

    I want to make something bold! Create content, make relationships! These are 2 magical words.
    Create a blog! Do not think twice about what you will write, just write! Create videos, have yt channel and add these videos to your blog too. There is no excuse. All of these could be done either free or with very cost overhead.

    Now you can ask me if I am doing what I am preaching, I will be brutally honest. I opened a free blogspot site but I am not regularly blogging. So I promise here : I will do it! Yeah, I hold myself responsible.
    Here is my blog
    sketchyentrepreneur.blogspot.com.tr
    Yeah it is free. I do not let myself give excuses like "hey..what domain name should I choose for my blog site?"
    Stop overanalyzing and get into action!

    I also have an instagram account. I will add post there too. Instagram is great for free publicity. You can easily get fans there. But using an instagram account was not easy for me. I had to install bluestacks and then use instagram with that.

    Have also a youtube channel. Synchronize all these channels for maximum reach.

    Also, I really do appreciate you here, warriorforum is a really really great medium to really connect to the audience and it is for FREE. I mean, if I would try to reach this audience with fb I would possibly need to pay at least 10$ dollar for every post I share. Crazy! This is human psychology 101. We can not see the importance of things we have free. It is under our nose. So I always ask myself "what do I have in my arsenal that I am not using effectively?" and I find a GEM!
    Same is true for your relationships. Do you really leverage your personal network?
    I know I do not. And I know I will thrive as I better leverage my personal network!

    Thanks for reading. Do not hesitate to critisize me. Either positive or not. I do not get flamed. I listen and take feedback.
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  • Profile picture of the author avny
    Hey I am here again.

    I am holding my promise.
    I continue to give absolute value and zero salesy crp.

    I have got an epiphany that even though I did not get any "replies" to my last 2 post, I am actually helping myself by writing here. I am helping myself by holding myself responsible.
    Now I do not have to think about "hey what I have done today?".
    Now I kick myself if I am doing something I am not supposed to, like watching some "sales video" or reading goddamn sales letters or watching some fluffy webinar thinking I am "educating" myself.
    I do not believe in education if I am not taking action on what I already "know"!

    Yes I do not get many replies to this thread and I seem like playing solo but I check my post stats and see people are actually reading my thread and that is ok for me.
    Here I want to tell you a fact about Gary V.
    You see I share many Gary V quotes here and the reason is not because I do not know any other great marketer, the reason is his quotes are free from hype and totally honest and resonates with me.
    One of the most interesting things is how did Gary become famous with his "Wine Library" youtube channel.
    No, it is not as you think.
    Watch here

    Now if you have carefully watched the video you should notice something crazy about what I am doing. Gary's only regret is he did not document what he was doing.
    Now I am doing it. I want to show the whole world that what Gary has done is possible if you are "ok" with the "it". This way I like to do both Gary's wish and help him and also get myself out of my "comfort zone" and change the world.
    If you think the words I am using are too nifty, yes you are right. But that is the only way to get myself out of the "comfort zone" and I am absolutely about changing world in a positive way. I do not care how big change will be or how many people's lives will be changed. The important thing here is I know what I am doing is "good" and I am %100 sure I will change many people's lives. I have already changed 2 of them. Not big number but it proves I can change more!

    And a Ps note: "You are already in the world and changing it. Even though you can not see it.
    If you do not get out of comfort zone, waste your life in front of tv or whatever else that "blocks" you being what you want to be then you are changing the world as a consumer and you are supporting "the main stream".
    Butterfly effect is real. Everyone changes the "world". You decide "how"!
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    But im reading it Avny
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    Just imagine how much you could have built with just half the time and thought you've wasted here.

    Some talk about it, some actually do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author avny
    Hey there I am here again.

    Look I am no joke. This thread is not some "pre-sell" page to "warm-up" you to some sheety plugin that "promise" you the "easy cash flow". I think you saw "enough number" of them. I pretty much get "nauseated" when I see "those" pages.

    So you can be pretty much sure that you will not find some affiliate links buried deep into my post.
    Fck money lust. I am not a "slave" of "global greed".
    Money is just a form of energy. If you can get and use it wisely you can be successful or happy.
    But if you can not do it right, that is a problem.
    That is the exact reason "selling drugs" does not make anyone wealthy.

    Remember, the most important things we have are the ones that we got FREE. This is not an ideology! This is the truth! You are the living proof!
    But popular mainstream brainwashed us to believe the opposite.
    Get out of the lies of mainstream. They just want to "sell quick fixes" to us to make more "money" to sell us more of the things that we do not need.
    Get out of their lies and you will instantly change. Both financially and emotionally.
    Stop consuming and start creating!
    And stop listening to the nah sayers!
    Do these lines sound familiar?
    "No!. you can not do it. you are not bla bla enough to do it. you are just a normal guy. you are not successful so you should not follow your hearth's desire. You will be a just broke guy if you do it.
    You should not speak out what you believe. People will make fun of you. You will get embarrassed. Be just a normal one. Go to your job and listen to others, the big guys. You do not know anything. There are always some big guys that will think and decide the best for us."
    Just smile them and say "lets play"
    Because the market DOES NOT fcking care.
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  • Profile picture of the author avny
    Yeah.

    I have failed.

    Failed to post.

    But I won't let that failure to stop me.

    Here I am. Alive and kicking.

    In my last post I said market does not care who you are.

    Here is what I want to tell more in detail


    I have just noted that Gary has just shared a video that have lines from the video I have just shared. What a coincidence!



    https://twitter.com/garyvee/status/859217954994614272


    Who I am and what the heck I am trying to DO


    If you have read this far you possibly have an idea of who I am like. But I know I did not tell all details about myself.

    The truth is I am fcking loser.

    Yep. You heard that right. That is what my inner "big brother" is saying.

    Look I am a loser. Really. I do not have an house. A car. Even a bike. I do not even make "daily commissions".
    What?!
    Yeah I know I said I made affiliate commissions from my email list.
    But I stopped. Because I wanted to create this thread and also share these posts on my personal blog, youtube channel, instagram, twitter and facebook but I could not catch up.
    I mean it was easy to create this thread. But instagram was a whole pain in the arse.
    Why?
    Because my phones screen is not working properly so I can not use instragram from phone.
    So I had to research "how to use instagram from pc".
    Found a software called gramblr and tried it. But it did not work as I expected.
    So I researhed more. Found that I can try bluestacks. Tried it and it worked. But then I discovered it is very buggy when I try to upload videos! Can you guess how much work I have put in to just share a video on instagram!
    I do not know what I will do. Maybe I should take my phone to someone to fix.

    Anyway as you see can see I am a pretty loser. I can not afford to buy a brand new iphone.

    So if you are kind of person that hates loosers I think you should not follow me.

    But if you are kinda like I am doing the right things then you are welcome.

    I fail, fail, fail but I do not give up.

    I know I will solve this instagram thing too.

    Anyway as I said before, this thread has changed my life. I mean literally.
    Yes no body is paying me a single buck for this thread but this is not the important thing.
    The important thing is I feel much more disciplined!
    Literally, everything I should be doing becomes vivid.

    I know what I should be doing.
    1. Add content to this thread and interact with people who comments
    2. Add content to blog
    3. Add content to twitter
    4.Add content to facebook
    5. Add content to instagram
    6. Add content to youtube

    The reason I choose so many different channels is because every channel can let me to connect with different audience. You know, not everyone likes to be on instagram. Some love youtube. Some are fb freaks.
    Search engines love blogs and youtube.

    Yeah I said I do not make any money now. I stopped. But words are cheap. So here the screenshots.














    So you see I am 100% real. This is not some sort of fake "rags to riches" story.
    You can ask me anything if you are suspicious.


    Update from my security officer friend

    I have great news from that friend.
    He officially got out of that job that he hated. He is free now.
    He thanked me and said he just got 2 invitations from companies he applied before and he literally says "I believe this energy thing. I look like with hope now and my life has changed dramatically. Even the people around me have noticed this!"
    So what I would highly suggest you again is "Check if your world view is 100% positive". If not you are already doing yourself the biggest hurt. Stop focusing on the closed 99 doors in front of you and see that 1 open door. Because all it takes is just 1 open door!
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  • Profile picture of the author avny
    Hey I did not plan to make another post but
    what I have here is literally crazy.

    I have just messaged someone on WF Jv section and some other guy pmed me about email sending.
    Here is my post in Jv section to prove I am not coming up with lies.

    https://www.warriorforum.com/warrior...l#post11082481

    Here is the pm


    He literally wants me to promote to his list.
    If you know what I am talking about, this means literally push button money for me.
    And what I have done is just messaging someone to cooperate!

    Look I have zero stress and I am "not" trying to make money but people literally force me!
    Can you see the power of helping others and networking and Jving?
    I think you should.
    So let me say it again.
    STop buying and start networking! It is FREE but it can give you more than thousands dollars worth of products or coaching!!
    If you are shy, do not worry. Just connect with people like you. You can be pretty sure there are more than you can imagine.

    Keep up the good work and let me know how things change!

    Your friend
    AVny
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    • Profile picture of the author 1Bryan
      Originally Posted by avny View Post

      He literally wants me to promote to his list.
      If you know what I am talking about, this means literally push button money for me.
      And what I have done is just messaging someone to cooperate!

      Look I have zero stress and I am "not" trying to make money but people literally force me!
      Push button money ..

      Being "forced" to make money ...

      Lol ...

      You can find a million and one scammy headlines that all say those same 2 things.

      You are selling.

      We don't just sell products and services in life.

      We also sell points-of-view.

      And sometimes our fanboyship of guys like Gary V.

      P.S. I'm not hating on you. Or Gary V. I like his stuff too. But ... you might want to expand your idea of what selling is.

      Cuz you are selling a "way" or a "point-of-view" ...

      Pretty hard.

      Most people put "sales" into one little box. And act like anything else ...

      Ain't sales.

      But they sell.

      Much like you are doing.

      In this very thread.

      I say this because you will get better at sales ...

      When you realize ...

      There is no box.

      If it's 75 and blue skies and I say with enthusiasm, "It's a beautiful day ..."

      I am selling the premise that it is a beautiful day.

      Most will buy it. Like it's a fact.

      But it's still a "sale" of sorts.

      Whenever someone talks about selling without selling ...

      I roll my eyes.

      Cuz they are selling.

      Always.

      We can even sell without words.

      In person ...

      If I roll my eyes at what someone says ... to my friend ... we communicated.

      And if he laughs?

      He bought into my point-of-view ...

      That whatever I rolled my eyes at ...

      Was worth a chuckle.

      It's ALL sales.

      Get it?
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      • Profile picture of the author avny
        Yes I used these hypey words because I want to show people push button money does not exist in sales letters. Me being someone bought thousand dollars worth of "sales letters" I know what is hype.

        Push button money DO exist.
        You send an email to your list and that is push button.
        There is no hype.
        I guess you should know this.
        But I can not understand why you speak like you do not know.


        I feel that ambiguous feeling in your sentences you are trying to play with me.
        Sure you are welcome but if you do it for trolling, you should know I am pretty much ready for it and you should watch the last video I shared.
        And if you are doing it for "helping" you are more than welcome.

        For the part you say I am selling.
        Yes you can say everyone is a seller and everyone is selling.
        But that idiomatic view does not changes the fact "I am giving my best advice for free".
        And no I am not selling myself. I already wrote "I am not after money". I have real people in this forum who will support this. I personally helped many people with zero dollar payments and give away free service to my fb friends. My fb friends can vouch for me. I can send you their profiles if you want to check. I personally hate money talk.
        I am perfectly ok with a life where I have zero luxury as long as I can help other people and share the happiness. I am after the meaning of life not anything other.
        I am not here on this thread for selling anything and maybe you will believe me when I share stuff where I could create products instead.
        So I do not give a heck about "getting good" at sales. I just want to get good at sharing without being affected by haters. In fact I am a mystic guy which believes in holographic world and the vibrational stuff if you know what I mean. And I just had a dream today that some two foreign police men tried to put me in jail and I asked them "why are you doing that. What did I do?" and they said "you just speak how others cheat people" and I replied "So, is that a crime?" and they said "yes" and they smiled.


        And no I am not fan of Gary V because he is a millionaire.
        Look I personally think Gary V is fan of me.
        Let that sink.
        He is speaking just what is in my mind and so I support him.
        What is wrong here?
        I can swear that if Gary V was a fricking looser blogger, I would again support him just because of his passion. Infact when I first watched one of his videos on facebook I thought myself "hey. this guy really tries to help people. He is just doing what I was planning. but I guess he does not know the real market and possibly just have a blog. But I will help him just because he is genuine. I will pm him and offer to optimize his youtube channel for free"


        Originally Posted by 1Bryan View Post

        Push button money ..

        Being "forced" to make money ...

        Lol ...

        You can find a million and one scammy headlines that all say those same 2 things.

        You are selling.

        We don't just sell products and services in life.

        We also sell points-of-view.

        And sometimes our fanboyship of guys like Gary V.

        P.S. I'm not hating on you. Or Gary V. I like his stuff too. But ... you might want to expand your idea of what selling is.

        Cuz you are selling a "way" or a "point-of-view" ...

        Pretty hard.

        Most people put "sales" into one little box. And act like anything else ...

        Ain't sales.

        But they sell.

        Much like you are doing.

        In this very thread.

        I say this because you will get better at sales ...

        When you realize ...

        There is no box.

        If it's 75 and blue skies and I say with enthusiasm, "It's a beautiful day ..."

        I am selling the premise that it is a beautiful day.

        Most will buy it. Like it's a fact.

        But it's still a "sale" of sorts.

        Whenever someone talks about selling without selling ...

        I roll my eyes.

        Cuz they are selling.

        Always.

        We can even sell without words.

        In person ...

        If I roll my eyes at what someone says ... to my friend ... we communicated.

        And if he laughs?

        He bought into my point-of-view ...

        That whatever I rolled my eyes at ...

        Was worth a chuckle.

        It's ALL sales.

        Get it?
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  • Profile picture of the author avny
    Hey, thanks for reading.

    Today I want to talk about the reality that we limit ourselves.

    When we find excuses we limit ourselves.
    When we stress, when we think we will fail, when we think we are not a good "fit", we are limiting ourselves.

    Failure and success are sides of the same medallion.
    The important thing is which side you are focussed.

    We also limit ourselves for the sake of "what others will think about me!".
    Look here is the solution for this:
    "those who care don't matter and those who matter don't care"
    Meaning if somebody is trying to manipulate or troll you or using hate words, you can be pretty much sure this somebody does not care about you! So why on earth you are caring about them!?

    Here is what Gary says:
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  • Sorry mate but follow me thread are against the WF rules as well as this

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    • Profile picture of the author avny
      It is sad to see the only response to this thread is something about "format".

      But sure thanks for thinking of me. I do backup all of my posts. I already have experience that if I give too much value where I am not "supposed to", I could attract angry eyes too. So thanks for letting me know.

      So here are my questions:
      1.What is your suggestion for this kind of thread?
      Where to put on WF?
      There should be a place for this right.
      Otherwise, what is the point of this forum. I do not think I should not share value just because people do not reply to my thread.

      2. I saw your previous same post was deleted, why was that?

      3.I pretty much do not care about format just like Gary V and I already posted to an admins thread with more reckless and honest comments and he was cool. And I think this should be the way. If I am not doing any kind of promotion with zero affiliate links, zero optins, zero links to my sites then this should not be wrong.
      Am I missing something?

      Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

      Sorry mate but follow me thread are against the WF rules as well as this

      Contributing to the Forum
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    There is a place to post this here - on a WF blog. You are a War Room member so have a blog available to you on this forum.

    16 of the 25 posts in the thread are yours - and mostly the entire thread is promoting the viewpoint and videos of Gary V.

    I do not think I should not share value just because people do not reply to my thread.
    If others agreed about the value of this ongoing thread - they would reply and discuss. When no one is responding, sometimes that means time to stop bumping the thread day after day.

    Today I want to talk about the reality that we limit ourselves.

    When we find excuses we limit ourselves.
    When we stress, when we think we will fail, when we think we are not a good "fit", we are limiting ourselves.
    You are lecturing - and in my opinion the content is more suitable for the 'mind forum'.
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    • Profile picture of the author avny
      1.Sure I do have a blog but I want to share my value to as many people as possible.

      2. Also I want to highly emphasize I am not promoting Gary V. Why would I do that?
      I am sharing my exact experiences and sharing Gary V content that resonates with me and my experience.
      Sure I would love to create my own videos and share them but come from a country where English is not spoken, it is not easy as you could guess.
      The reason I choose Gary V is because:
      I have not seen any of his videos where he pitches anything.
      I just know he has a book and other than that I do not know anything he is selling.
      His mentality is just in the same manner like me. Which is "giving your best advice for free" where every other marketer/coach/guru is trying to sell something.

      3. One of the comments was some people are actually reading my posts and an established blogger literally told me "excellent post". So if I am pretty sure I am doing the right thing why should I stop "giving value" just because people do not reply to my thread?

      4.no I am not lecturing. I hate lectures, theory and most importantly schools. I am telling exactly what I experience. I checked mind forum but again what I am doing here is not just about the mind. If you check my first post you can pretty much see I give my real email stats. I will surely add more solid content other than what seems motivational stuff.

      By the way, you did not write a sentence about my posts.
      Did you like them, hate them?

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      There is a place to post this here - on a WF blog. You are a War Room member so have a blog available to you on this forum.

      16 of the 25 posts in the thread are yours - and mostly the entire thread is promoting the viewpoint and videos of Gary V.



      If others agreed about the value of this ongoing thread - they would reply and discuss. When no one is responding, sometimes that means time to stop bumping the thread day after day.



      You are lecturing - and in my opinion the content is more suitable for the 'mind forum'.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    By the way, you did not write a sentence about my posts.
    Did you like them, hate them?
    The first 2-3 posts I thought were fine - but you've gone off the rails. Long rambling posts jumping and there - covering one method after another - constantly discussing Gary V as if you discovered him and need to explain it to others here. Nothing wrong with posting advice - with helping others - if you know what you are doing.

    One problem....one BIG problem.

    In the middle of this monologue - you mention you aren't making money - you are not succeeding - you can't pay for housing or even a bike. You claim your income stopped so you could write this thread. That does not make sense. Now you are a 'mystic guy'. How are you surviving if you have no money? Who pays your bills?

    Most marketers want to sell and earning money is important. They want to pay their own bills, support a family, have a comfortable lifestyle.

    You have created a personal journal here - and the mods have allowed it - so not my concern if you keep posting for the next month. However, I worry new marketers will follow your advice and end up just where you are.
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    I'm closing this thread, as it has devolved into a follow me thread. Avny you are free to keep posting this on your blog, but please refrain from posting on the main forum.
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