I feel bad for the newbies

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As i matured intellectually in my business career i realized after looking at the WSO page i dont need any of those things anymore, i dont need any help from anyone on this forum, most of the questions are too vague, theyre just fundamental questions not really technical. You need a fundamental understanding of your market, but you also need the technical skills to get them to click.

I'm not saying i outgrew this forum, just i see things from a higher perspective now, i resonate more with what the older cats have to say, which is butt **** simple answers such as "figure it out" or "no"

If you truly understood what these old guys were telling you, you wouldnt need to feel desperate ever again, you would never need a paycheck, you would never need a boss, employees, no more books, courses, ebooks, coaching, nothing. Once you figure it out its butt **** simple how to make money online. I'm not going to give away my secret, that took me about 5 years to figure out. But the big guys know it, Grant Cardone knows, all the high earners on this forum knows it.

What i will say is this, if you really want to make money online, forget everything you know, literally forget it all, its all bullshit. Success is something you figure out on your own through trial and error, its a choice you will realize. You dont need to take it to the extremes, working 90 hours a week burning out for a small profit. Fuuuuuuccckk dat.

4 hour work week my friend, thats 48 minutes a day, I do 2-3 hours a day of exploration work just because i enjoy learning and i make more than my household combined. While theyre trading hours for dollars im trading risk and money for it and making off like a ******* bandito.

My advice, look into stocks, buy some stocks, look into real estate, put some offers in, go to some seminars, listen to what the big guys say, youll get it.

Oh and dont worry about "DONT GIVE UP" I gave up like 95 times and im still on top
#bad #feel #newbies
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by cjsparacino123 View Post

    My advice, look into stocks, buy some stocks, look into real estate, put some offers in, go to some seminars, listen to what the big guys say, youll get it.


    Maybe stocks but trading crypto coins has a lot higher profit percentages and lower fees.

    I'm into crypto coins, recently started trading and I can see me doing this full time. It's that same feeling when you first discover making money online, only a lot faster profits and way more fun.
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    • Profile picture of the author GlobalTrader
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Maybe stocks but trading crypto coins has a lot higher profit percentages and lower fees.

      I'm into crypto coins, recently started trading and I can see me doing this full time. It's that same feeling when you first discover making money online, only a lot faster profits and way more fun.
      Yukon, how did you learn to trade crypto coins? Any training materials out there that you can suggest??
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by GlobalTrader View Post

        Yukon, how did you learn to trade crypto coins? Any training materials out there that you can suggest??


        I'm learning from watching a lot of Youtube videos and trial and error making small trades. On poloniex right now. The site lags a lot which is frustrating when you're in the middle of making trades.

        It's very similar to day trading stocks so If you have some experience with that you're already ahead of the game. The only real difference is crypto trading is extremely volatile (think penny stocks) but that can be a good thing when trading because a lot of times it creates repetitive patterns. It's not uncommon to make 2 or 3 trades on the same crypto in a half hour.

        If you want to get into more detail, maybe start a new thread or private chat. I'm no pro (yet) but I'll share what I know If you need help getting started. I've been dealing with Bitcoin for a couple of years.

        Here's an example of how drastic pumps can go on trading crypto, the screenshot below is from about 5 min. ago. Crazy high potential trading this stuff. Look at the 24 hour change, 97% gain. Right now I buy and get out as soon as possible, make a small gain, get out, repeat...





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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    Well you can feel "bad" for them. Or, you can
    show them the way to be successful. (Don't keep
    yourself just to yourself.) There are many People
    that would love you to help/mentor them.

    (2 cent.)
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    • Profile picture of the author davejarvys
      Originally Posted by cjsparacino123 View Post

      As i matured intellectually in my business career i realized after looking at the WSO page i dont need any of those things anymore, i dont need any help from anyone on this forum, most of the questions are too vague,

      I think is interesting when you see this kind of post and then look at what else they've posted and you find threads from a month ago saying:

      Originally Posted by cjsparacino123 View Post

      Hi, i plan on selling high ticket affiliate offers, i'm looking for one i can promote manually and send them the link to pay. Any ideas on where to find what im looking for?
      Originally Posted by cjsparacino123 View Post

      what are some hot niches?

      I'm just looking to make big commissions for a long time
      And before that it was

      Originally Posted by cjsparacino123 View Post


      So whats a good way to get started in CPA?

      I have to wonder what's changed in such a short space of time?
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      • Profile picture of the author umairabbass
        Dave you made me laugh!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author boblyle
        Whats changed is he figured out what "Fake it till you make it " means
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      • Profile picture of the author Eden A
        Damn you killed me here I can't stop laughing!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author brookeharper08
      Nice point, Jonathan. It's easy to feel sad for noobs but it takes a special kind of person to help these starters out.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      Well you can feel "bad" for them. Or, you can
      show them the way to be successful. (Don't keep
      yourself just to yourself.) There are many People
      that would love you to help/mentor them.

      (2 cent.)
      But he has a "secret" that took him 5 years to figure out. Of course he won't share it here. BUt maybe in a WSO ?? lol

      Same song and dance. Nothing new here
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        But he has a "secret" that took him 5 years to figure out. Of course he won't share it here. BUt maybe in a WSO ?? lol

        Same song and dance. Nothing new here




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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          But he has a "secret" that took him 5 years to figure out. Of course he won't share it here. BUt maybe in a WSO ?? lol

          Same song and dance. Nothing new here

          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Says the guy with the $5 forum sig...



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          Uhmm.. where in my Sig do I talk about finding "secrets" that took me "5 years" to discover ??
          For that matter please bring up a post where I started a Thread about how I found the "secret" to all this and now I feel sorry for Newbies ?? I will be patiently waiting for your example


          Sorry dude nice try to discredit me as you have tried so many times over the years , but my two WSOs do NOT promise anything monetarily let alone any secrets (as it relates to any automated systems or over night riches) Just straightforward stuff to assist Marketers in their current Marketing endeavors.

          No newbie push button BS
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            Sorry dude nice try to discredit me...


            You're doing fine on your own.
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            • Profile picture of the author discrat
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              You're doing fine on your own.
              Why thank you sir, I agree with you as I have been doing fine on my own... actually on my own since 1998 ( other than 2 years in 2002- 2003) was the last time I worked for anyone or anybody
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  • Profile picture of the author cjsparacino123
    well 2 things have changed, Yukon isnt yelling at me anymore, and i went to a wealth and real estate seminar, and id love to help people, im just waiting for someone that will fully appreciate what im telling them, i want to see the fire in their eyes like it was in mine 5 years ago
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    • Profile picture of the author Flavio Pereira
      Hello cjsparacino

      I read your post and i feel like i have to reply!
      Yes I'm a beginner i just started a 2 weeks ago.

      I have many questions and... i really need find someone want to help me.
      I read warrior forum, blogs... watch videos on youtube but it's not enough.

      I'm sorry if my english is not the best. I'm Portuguese from Portugal but i live in Florida in search of a better life.

      Thanks for your time
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  • feelin' bad for newbies
    newin' bad for feelies
    baddin' feels revealsys
    kissya sweetya see this.

    Also --

    I dun stoopid an' never got past the headline.

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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      feelin' bad for newbies
      newin' bad for feelies
      baddin' feels revealsys
      kissya sweetya see this.
      Forget it all!
      It's Bulls behind!
      I'll lead you from the daily grind!
      And teach you how to work in socks
      Our heads locked into digi stocks.

      Harketh now! The raketeer!
      To big boys I do lend an ear.
      Toast your cash and spend a laugh!
      We'll play the stocks like Steffi Graph.

      Mature to the intellect!
      Like cheese, a mould, we do delect!
      For even when the truth is near
      There's vast room on the rung my dear.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marcus W K Wong
        Of all the rhymes,
        within these times,
        of which we must endure.
        I'd hope that some newbie would ask,
        for some advice that's pure.

        In SEO we'd ask for more,
        than what Google would share.
        But instead of asking what we want,
        we tell them what's already there.

        Headlines, keywords and a bit of practice.
        In the length of what I wrote,
        I'm just rejoicing here and now,
        of that which yukon wrote.

        "Hope for the Best, Expect the Worst - Mel Brooks"
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  • Profile picture of the author MelanieandMiles
    I think the big trick is to create more than you consume.

    Obviously publishing content is key...

    But we learn so much more effectively through doing vs. consuming WSO's

    But that leap of faith to put one's self and their content out there produces fear... That fear leads to doubt, doubt leads to the WSOs... lol.
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    It is all about becoming a producer, not a consumer.

    There is nothing wrong with buying Wso's. I actually learned most of what I know from them. BUT, the magic happens when you take action. There is always something new to learn, so if you have the mindset that ¨You don't know enough, so you will learn more¨ even though you already know what to do, you will achieve nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Newbies in IM never had a better time to enter the market.

    We're all more sophisticated, meaning you gotta do things right from Day #1 or be punished. No pulling the wool over folk's eyes and succeeding...at least in the long term.

    This means newbs are forced to build their businesses on the fundamentals so they will succeed more quickly.

    Hasn't always been this way in IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author fratt55
    hey there
    we were all newbies at one time
    or another
    so if you are not willing to help the new/young person
    its ok

    if the old guy chooses to with hold his" how to"
    then let him go in peace
    there are thousand of other people out there that are willing to share..
    so
    cheers.....
    ok talk soon
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  • Profile picture of the author cjsparacino123
    all im saying is, once you know what i know, school and jobs become irrelevant, this took me years of trial and error to figure out, and im just supposed to hand it to you?

    just think creatively, dont think so logically, just go have fun, act like a child, go run some ads burn a bunch of money, create instagrams post shit, hashtag stuff, just go have fun, its the fastest path to proficiency. Just go do a bunch of random shit

    edit:

    i forgot to mention to learn from everything you do, you want to be able to manage your emotions in the midst of a storm and think logically. Remove emotions from business.

    When your stock is tanking, what do new guys do? they panic sell and they lose short term, they gain wisdom long term, which is the best part, but they lost money which is okay depending on their age and time horizon. One of my teachers taught me that there is always a tuition to wall street, whether you pay someone else or you do it on your own, there is always a tuiton to learning how to produce results in the stock market, and i would add in any area of success, real estate, business, women. but new guys do it everytime trying to beat the market until they go broke. The professionals wait, they have patience. As warren buffett said, the stock market is a tool for transferring money from the impatient to the patient

    To sum up everything im saying, which i believe im right regardless of anyones opinions, you have to take the chance. There is only one L in life, LESSONS. You have to fail, you have to **** up, you have to embarass yourself, you have to do it enough times that you just run into it because you know short term it sucks but it creates a long term pattern in your brain that just fixes the situation because now you have knowledge. You taught yourself.

    As robert kiyosaki from rich dad poor dad said, "fail faster!" and "do something!"
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    • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
      Originally Posted by cjsparacino123 View Post

      just think creatively, dont think so logically, just go have fun, act like a child, go run some ads burn a bunch of money, create instagrams post shit, hashtag stuff, just go have fun, its the fastest path to proficiency. Just go do a bunch of random shit
      This is about the worst advice for anyone who is trying to start a business.

      You can be creative in a logical way.

      You can have fun.

      But doing random shit to gain proficiency?

      No. Not a good idea.

      Building any business takes some planning and structure.

      To build proficiency you need to follow a plan and test, measure and adapt as you go along.

      Doing random shit usually delivers random results whereas applying effort to improving results in a methodical way will deliver a level of predictability.

      Once you have something working and generating you a predictable result you gain security and can expand from that position.

      Just doing random shit doesn't cut it.

      Best regards,

      Ozi
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      • Profile picture of the author Marcus W K Wong
        If I could sticky this post to the top of the thread, I would. Great advice Ozi.

        I think for a lot of the newbies, it's a matter of discovery, research, planning, reading and eventually executing applied knowledge. (timeline of grinding not included).

        I'd say there's a 100 hour prerequisite of heavy reading before one should be venturing out and practising what they've been preached, but hey - that's just me haha.

        The problem for newbies these days is there's an outstanding balance between useful advice given from practising marketers and 'online sharks' who are sucking up cash newbies can't afford, to gain customers they can't please.

        Information overload, options and choices they don't have the authority to make for themselves, difficulties in identifying a good or bad opportunity yada yada yada... it's very different to when we would have started as compared to today.

        It's a harder path to get something 'working' when a newbie starts. It's a proverbial shit tonne of grinding before they generally can predict results, and even then it's hard to expand.

        I'm not saying don't do it - I'm just saying newbies should be prepared for a long journey ahead.
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    • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
      Originally Posted by cjsparacino123 View Post

      i forgot to mention to learn from everything you do, you want to be able to manage your emotions in the midst of a storm and think logically. Remove emotions from business.
      Learning from what you do is important but that is precisely why you don't just do random shit hoping that something sticks.

      Maybe you have learned from the responses people have offered which is why you edited your original comment.

      The reason top performers in any discipline achieve at a higher level than others is because they have practised more so their skills are more developed.

      You may want to manage your emotions under many situations but when it comes to a storm it isn't about thinking logically in as much it is about reacting instinctively.

      The reasons professionals practice over and over is so that when a storm hits they rely on the instinctive memory that have developed through developing their skills.

      Removing emotions from business is another furphy.

      It might seem like a good idea to have a business devoid of emotion but that is not what successful businesses have.

      They are filled with emotion.

      They are filled with passion.

      They are filled with people not robots.

      There might be an argument for removing your emotional involvement from negotiations much like a card player's "poker face" but generally most business owners who are successful are full of emotion.

      Not to be political but do you think people like Trump or Branson, Musk etc got where they did without taking any emotional decisions?

      Best regards,

      Ozi
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  • Profile picture of the author pauloadaoag
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    If the grind of newbies get to you that's understandable. All we ask is to follow thumper's advice.
    Thumper - If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all
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    • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
      Originally Posted by pauloadaoag View Post

      If the grind of newbies get to you that's understandable. All we ask is to follow thumper's advice.
      Thumper - If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all
      Here in the good ole USA, that's known as censorship.

      But I get it, people here have no interest in reality.

      So, we should just be mindless sycophants no matter how ridiculous or just plain wrong something is.

      Being all warm and fuzzy is the priority.

      Now I feel sorry for the poor saps who come to this forum thinking they will find truth...

      Good luck!

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      • Profile picture of the author Marcus W K Wong
        Actually I'm very interested in reality. Where else does one have the ability to taste coffee and scotch? lol

        All jokes aside for a moment though, I think the message being conveyed from Paulo here is don't throw shade at someone's progress. It's healthy to pinpoint when someone's failing, it's healthier to help them work out why.

        (Back to joke - you're tempting me to bringing back the 'beer button' from 2005, just for the warm and fuzzies.)
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  • Profile picture of the author clairelynn23
    I think what you're saying is "take action". Makes sense to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    All we ask is to follow thumper's advice
    I'd say sometimes "see something, say something" is better advice when you know the history or see a problem with advice being given.

    But even a thread like this becomes valuable due to posts by Ozzie and Marcus.
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  • Profile picture of the author cjsparacino123
    i just felt like sharing, i looked at the WSO's and i realized those were targeted at people who havent taken the risk themselves to put themselves on the line, and i grew past that because i put myself and my work on the line, that's all. nothing against anyone.

    I found success in my own way out just pure luck, you dont have to agree with me, and thats fine i understand, however you want to achieve is up to you, i found my own method and mindsets that are universal and apply to every area of life and i use to them to better myself and my loved ones.

    what im saying is that the way i view achievement is different than it was 1-5 years ago, sucess is a choice now, it is no longer luck at this point, and i can prove it through the results i get, i think luck is for people who havent failed enough or done their homework enough at this point.

    Why are there some marketers and people who can lose it ALL and still get right back to where they were in a relatively short time? knowledge. And i would add all the experience doesnt hurt.

    anyways thats all i have to say
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    • Profile picture of the author Marcus W K Wong
      I found success in my own way out just pure luck
      I think this is a little subjective, from my perspective - you've come across countless opportunities and struck success while the iron was hot. I'd say this is a better way to put it, but even "success" is a variable definition as you've pointed out.

      It's safe to say that knowledge (in the right hands), is basically the handbook for achieving some form of gain. Either as lessons from losses or actual wins, knowledge doesn't mean anything if it's not acted upon or being put to good use.

      Kudos to you bud
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    I know your feeling. It's like crazyyy when we realized that everything is sooooo simple, right?
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    We're happy you are still on top. You need to get your grammar and punctuation in check!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
      You are the one causing problems. You don't need any help now that you've figured it all out Mr. big shot? Move on then. The forum will be a better place.

      Your character and motivation are all explained right here on your last post:

      Last edited on 16th May 2017 at 01:16 AM. Reason: Oziboomer likes guys
      Fellow Warriors can judge for themselves.

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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

        You are the one causing problems. You don't need any help now that you've figured it all out Mr. big shot? Move on then. The forum will be a better place.
        Well everyone deserves a chance: Just don't pretend you've figured everything out if you haven't. Be humble and willing to learn and you will go a long way.
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        • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Well everyone deserves a chance: Just don't pretend you've figured everything out if you haven't. Be humble and willing to learn and you will go a long way.
          I am a very firm believer that once you have achieved a comfortable level of success and have some free time that you should take some of that free time to pass your success along to others.

          I have helped many people simply to help them. I was not looking to make any money off of them or try and sell "coaching" services to them. I helped them simply because it's the right thing to do. I believe in karma, and paying it forward.

          I wish I could help everyone who asks me, but it's simply not possible as I am one man and I must also tend to my own business and social/personal life. There are only 24 hours in a day, and we need to spend at least 5-7 hours of that sleeping.

          I also look for people who were like me when I first started out. They really want to learn and they have to be really hungry and motivated. When I see that in someone, I have no problem sharing my "secrets" with them (not really secrets, just knowledge gained from experience).

          First and foremost, I do it for the person who needs help, but I cannot deny the wonderful feeling I get when someone I'm teaching "gets it" and reaches their first milestone by following the direction I gave them. Whether it be their first sale, or even their very first list subscriber, it's truly awesome to see someone else succeed and know that you had a hand in helping them.

          This has nothing to do with religion, it's simply my personal belief that human beings are supposed to help each other whenever possible. Maybe I'm just a naive person, but I believe that if every person on the planet stopped and did one kind thing for a perfect stranger every day, the world would be a much better (and less violent) place.

          My point is, if you have a skill that can help someone else, and you have the time to do it, why wouldn't you?
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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            Thanks nicheblogger75.

            Even if you just helped one Person to be
            successful, that would be amazing.
            By the sound of it, though, you're helping even
            more People than that so good for you. : )

            Although it's great to reach our Entrepreneurial/
            Financial goals, it's ever more fulfilling (maybe?)
            to help other People.

            So Thanks for that.
            : )
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  • Profile picture of the author Eden A
    That's great that you made your own way,
    and you are right only by finding your own unique way,
    by doing mistakes and learning you can come through
    and start seeing results.

    I would like to add that here you are lecturing about
    this forum that people don't help each other and give
    vague answers.

    But I feel that you did the same thing here.
    if you are really want to help people seeing results open
    a blog here or with your own website (or maybe
    you have one) post your posts here as well and give those
    Newbie some info that can help them a long the way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Fellow Warriors can judge for themselves.
    That edit seems to have disappeared. My personal 'judgment' is anyone so petty and rude should have been given a "vacation" until they grow up.

    That's the big problem with this 'parent reply' junk - you can't tell who is addressing whom - especially when posts are being removed along the way.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      That's the big problem with this 'parent reply' junk - you can't tell who is addressing whom - especially when posts are being removed along the way.
      I know. I posted Kay is a sassy cool chick but it got deleted.
      (Hehe)
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  • Profile picture of the author cjsparacino123
    you know Kay, i would say the same to you after reading all your posts
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  • Profile picture of the author cjsparacino123
    i agree with nicheblogger, hes on target with how i feel, but i also realized something, dont throw your pearls before swine, if the swine want it they can pay, just like i paid for it with blood sweat in tears.

    But if i see someone with that same hunger in my eyes, i intend to teach them my "secrets" as nicheblogger said, i dont need that guy or girls money, i dont need anything from them, i just want to give back to the old me and tell him dont worry man you got this
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
      You've freely received here, including from people like Oziboomer that you're now attacking. A little over 6 months ago you were asking to understand the fundamentals:

      so i was recently reading dotcom secrets by russel brunson, and it all clicked, i understood marketing and internet marketing.

      i defined it as internet marketing = traffic + conversion

      its kind of working for me, but is this basically the fundamentals of it?
      Within 6 months you were asking beginner SEO questions:
      i started a blog but i dont even show up on google, how can i get seen on google?
      So you've received a lot of help and now you are independent, don't need anyone here, and only going to help those that you deem worthy?

      Seriously, man what are you doing?

      Look if you have made it in the last 6 months, that's great. That's the goal of everyone here. Congratulations!

      But, now why the attitude?

      What are you trying to accomplish?

      You aren't helping anyone here and just hurting yourself and the forum that you've willingly and freely received from.

      Mark

      Originally Posted by cjsparacino123 View Post

      i agree with nicheblogger, hes on target with how i feel, but i also realized something, dont throw your pearls before swine, if the swine want it they can pay, just like i paid for it with blood sweat in tears.

      But if i see someone with that same hunger in my eyes, i intend to teach them my "secrets" as nicheblogger said, i dont need that guy or girls money, i dont need anything from them, i just want to give back to the old me and tell him dont worry man you got this
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    • Profile picture of the author Eden A
      You are absolutely right about the all "of the swine want it they can pay, just like i paid for it with blood sweat in tears."

      But and that's a big one here...
      When you are writing post like that,
      don't come and attack everyone and jude them
      and then do the same "as everyone" as you claimed.

      If you want people to come to you like I said you need
      to provide some value (don't spill all the beans).
      but spread some help other people. do the opposite from the
      people you don't appreciate.

      I see that your intention was to A: sell
      B: provide vague value and mystery. (unless I'm wrong here
      and you are welcome to correct me If I'm)

      Next time just go and do something that will
      help other people then they will come to you if
      they see that you "walk the talk" they will come.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    Originally Posted by cjsparacino123 View Post


    My advice, look into stocks, buy some stocks, look into real estate, put some offers in, go to some seminars, listen to what the big guys say, youll get it.
    ;I see your good points, but telling newbies to just lump money into stocks, or getting into residentual housing, when its sky high, might not be the best advice I have see here recently.

    I would read around the forums, and learn how to build a list, or email list of customers. I started with nothing, when I was a newbie and build my business up to $500 per day doing jsut that.

    And you wanna know where it all started here.

    I used to read, in here, and then act on that information. If you do not act you do not get, but I would not do stocks, and real esteat, even guys who have been learning that stuff for years, have lost lots of money. Keep it basic, and keep it fresh. Meaning, do not do things you know that you will not like to do, and out of your depth.

    Hope it helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author cjsparacino123
    i need the beginners to lose money, they need to know what its like when their life and money is on the line and how to control their emotions and succeed, if they cant "get" that basic principle just throw everything out the window, theres nothing you can teach them that will get them out of their mental, emotional and spiritual hole

    i need their hearts to be racing, i need them to be freaking out, i need them to panic sell, i need them to learn the lessons the hard way, its short term pain for long term gain

    i dont know if this is relevant but i believe morpheus said "i can only show you the door, you have to walk through it your self"

    and i believe anyone who is successful in any venture in any area of life has understood and MOST IMPORTANTLY APPLIED WHAT THEY KNEW

    KNOWLEDGE IS POWER

    BUT ACTION IS CREATION

    YOU WANT CREATION
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    • Profile picture of the author Marcus W K Wong
      Not going to lie, but I think this defeats the whole purpose of the thread when you say you need beginners to lose money. That's self-deprecating yourself as an 'online shark'.


      Originally Posted by cjsparacino123 View Post

      i need the beginners to lose money, they need to know what its like when their life and money is on the line and how to control their emotions and succeed, if they cant "get" that basic principle just throw everything out the window, theres nothing you can teach them that will get them out of their mental, emotional and spiritual hole

      i need their hearts to be racing, i need them to be freaking out, i need them to panic sell, i need them to learn the lessons the hard way, its short term pain for long term gain

      i dont know if this is relevant but i believe morpheus said "i can only show you the door, you have to walk through it your self"

      and i believe anyone who is successful in any venture in any area of life has understood and MOST IMPORTANTLY APPLIED WHAT THEY KNEW

      KNOWLEDGE IS POWER

      BUT ACTION IS CREATION

      YOU WANT CREATION
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    • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
      Originally Posted by cjsparacino123 View Post

      i need the beginners to lose money, they need to know what its like when their life and money is on the line and how to control their emotions and succeed, if they cant "get" that basic principle just throw everything out the window, theres nothing you can teach them that will get them out of their mental, emotional and spiritual hole

      i need their hearts to be racing, i need them to be freaking out, i need them to panic sell, i need them to learn the lessons the hard way, its short term pain for long term gain
      Unfortunately for some people "short term pain" tuns into long term depression or worse.

      People who lose money usually lose more than that.

      It is indeed fortunate if someone takes a small hit that doesn't inflict fatal consequences but all too often there are consequences that go beyond one's seemingly smaller actions.

      Over the years I've seen numerous "gurus" fleece people from all walks of life with so many different schemes and systems. It doesn't have to be a multi million dollar ponzi scheme like Bernie Madoff's to ruin a person's life.

      I can be as something as simple as offering someone hope and then the promised outcome doesn't materialise.

      In some circumstances the seller takes all and the buyer loses everything.

      Personally I've seen marriages destroyed and families lose loved ones through suicide.

      These are the real consequences of flippantly taking people's money when you don't understand the consequences.

      Numerous times on a personal level I've rejected personal gain when it is obvious it is going to cause someone else personal pain.

      I'm not a soft touch and on many occasions I've used tough love but to want anyone to lose money to learn a lesson is a burden I don't want to carry regardless of the small percentage who may succeed.

      A better approach is one of support.

      One of kindness.

      One of understanding.

      A nihilistic approach leads to nothing.

      Best regards,

      Ozi
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      • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
        Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

        A better approach is one of support.

        One of kindness.

        One of understanding.

        A nihilistic approach leads to nothing.

        Best regards,

        Ozi
        YES YES YES! Thank-you for saying EXACTLY what was on my mind.

        NOTHING fruitful comes from making others lose money or taking money from someone to enhance your own personal gain while knowing that you've sold someone (who probably cannot afford it) a bad bill of goods.

        If you hurt people in this life, it will come back to you. It may not happen in a day, or a week, or even years for that matter, but it WILL happen.

        One of the biggest fallacies out there is "respect is earned, not given." No. You should always give respect until someone gives you a reason not to. When people start out with a mutual respect for each other, good things are bound to come from their relationship.

        As it applies to coaching or helping someone, showing support and building up a person is key to their success.

        Making them lose money and putting them in a state of panic serves nobody. All it achieves is doubt and mistrust, and once a person doubts your information and doesn't trust you, the relationship is ruined and you will not be able to successfully assist that person and help them achieve their goals.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    if the swine want it they can pay,
    i need the beginners to lose money,
    That is so against what many of us try to do here.

    It's satisfying when you reach monetary success but you weren't always there - and it doesn't necessarily last forever. The ego has landed with a big splat - time to pull out a bit of humility if you truly want to "help" others.

    If you have achieved some level of success - good for you. Might not want to burn bridges here, though, in case you need help or advice in the future. Online or offline - businesses have a way of going up and down.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I think the message being conveyed from Paulo here is don't throw shade at someone's progress
      Maybe - unless you knew from past experience the story would change (post #52) and didn't want to see newbies misled by false claims of monetary success.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      there was more to life than just making money and being a badass on the internet
      You are so right - and many people never figure that out. Supporting yourself, living life the way you want, helping or supporting family, the ability to have 'things' that are important to you...and those 'things' can include time to pursue interests and hobbies.

      Too often people are drawn into the "money money money" mindset and don't think about the balance in their life. There is little point in being filthy rich if you have no friends -not much satisfaction to having wealth if you drove family away in your quest for that wealth.

      It's important to know what the "balance" is for YOU. If the goal in making money is to "show others", "prove" something, or have a lifestyle that looks "better than" - priorities are skewed. No sense in being impressed with what others say they own or earn...unless, of course, you are in their will.

      In truth, with few exceptions....those who try to be a badass on the internet usually end up looking like a dumbass instead. Who needs that sort of reputation?
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    • Profile picture of the author Nina Petrov
      if you're a newbie, all you need to know is one thing: everyone wants to try and get your money for stuff you can find for free if you look around enough. So don't spend too much money at all. For example the only thing I'm paying for is 2 dollars a month for hosting. And that's unlimited transfer and domains on a good host. It's the warrior forum deal. But that's only because I was on free hosting and it was "so so". Not great but even that worked fine pretty much for the most part. But typically I try not to pay for anything else. not to say I wouldn't if I was making tons of money though. But I'm saying if you're just starting out, don't go spending. You don't need to. All you need to do is "ask better questions". Like "how can I do XYZ for free?". Then later if you're making some income well then reinvest some for sure. But ya everyone is out to get your money, that's all you need to be aware of.
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  • Profile picture of the author cjsparacino123
    youre gonna kill me, but ill stick to being honest and positive, i havent achieved anything besides my past ventures which all went kaput, i ****ed up so many times but listened to my mentors that i just figured out the formula to success in really any endeavor in life, thats why i got so excited, i guess im feeling confident?

    and i understand you want everyone to feel support and everything, but thats just not how i was taught through my mentors, "what are you gonna do?" is really the main sticking point that comes up.

    i mean were in business were in life, i want that positivity but people are so rude, what are you gonna do when the customer flows slow down? What happens when the market collapses? what happens when the house loses its value in 2008. I'm not saying be fearful of these things im just suggesting a more stronger mindset knowing that even though these things can and probably will happen you can still win
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  • Profile picture of the author Nina Petrov
    well maybe but we all had to go through all that. no one starts at the top
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  • Profile picture of the author oadvantage
    "I think the big trick is to create more than you consume."

    Amen.
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  • Profile picture of the author VidasVegas
    Agree absolutely what did you say. All success comes from within what newbies need to know it's just simple basic staff and they don't need an other course or other software exc.. My success came up after 5 years of working hard when I sort it out my mindset. The BIG guys knows that success is your MINDSET not a technical factor.
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  • Profile picture of the author cjsparacino123
    i dont want to see anyone misled, i mean i want the good life, and everyone else does, but i soon realized after basically achieving it that there was more to life than just making money and being a badass on the internet, theres a deeeeeep hole within me that i dont think any amount of success or cash or women could fill permanently. It may, i may be wrong, who knows, i was just curious, some people got alot of value out of this, most back lashed, in the end i learned alot about myself, others, i bartered some peace among the large egos of this forum, and i got the attention of WF staff, even a private message from telling me some of the best advice i got in years "take a break"

    I just felt it was unfair that the (okay ill change my wording) "beginner entreprenerus" get the short end of the stick while the big boys just sit there and tear them apart. So i wanted to address that issue because it drove me mad, it really bothered me. And by me just saying stuff and saying **** i gained a whole lot more than just money, fame, friends, i gained valuable life long lessons that i will cherish for probably the rest of my life.

    to sum up everything in 1 word: hope
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    Once again sound advice on the forum, listen up Newbies!
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  • Profile picture of the author cjsparacino123
    i challenge you to splurge on your business expenses, and everything your saying correct
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