Solo Ads and When to Use the Same Provider

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Thank you Warriors for any information.

Let's say I'm working off a list of 10 trusted and successful Solo Ad providers. Today I'm starting to do business with one of them, Sara and Sam Solo.

They run the ad Monday June 5 2017 and it turns out the results were equal to or better than what I hoped during the next 7 days, bringing us to June 12, 2017.

When does it make financial sense to do business with them again? Is a major player or close to it in the industry adding enough new subscribers on their end that you could use them every week or would it be every two weeks, or longer?

Obviously I would want the ad in front of a new set of eyes with the same statistical probability that happened the first time around.

Lastly could you rely on 10 Solo Ad providers only or as you get going promoting something would ten by way to small?

Appreciation to Warriors for helping.
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    Solo vendors usually provide the information you are looking for on their site or whatever network they are using.

    If they are working better than expected then keep doing solos until there is a significant downturn in subs and conversions.

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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    Originally Posted by Right Field Porch View Post

    When does it make financial sense to do business with them again?
    When and if your sales go beyond that of your investment. Money in your pocket.

    Subscribers mean nothing unfortunately unless you are offering all products for free.

    I'd suggest you avoid 'solo ad seller' lists at all costs and contact someone in the same niche as you and enquire if they have a list to broadcast to in exchange for a fee.
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    • Hi Daniel:

      Thanks for reply.

      Can you please articulate more as to avoid Solo ad Sellers list at all costs? What if the list is coming from somebody that has done business with (hypothetical 10 names) these sellers and have had consistent results?

      I don't mean buying a list from Wally Warrior that put ten names on a piece of paper.

      Aren't there Solo Ad sellers that have incredible feedback and are considered legends in the business? Igor for example.

      Thanks for clarification.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    You can keep going back to the same solo ad provider if sales seem OK; when you see a sharp drop, they may have seen your offering a bit too frequently. I would tend toward building bonds with successful IMers and doing JVs with more engaged, trusting, targeted audiences.
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    • Hi Ryan:

      Thanks for the reply. I was asking how often from experience if the Solo Ad works would you go back to the seller, 1 week, 2 weeks, etc.?

      Thank you.
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      • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
        Really, based on your return from prior solos and then, testing the waters maybe 2 weeks later. Dive back in. Peep response rates. Clicks, sales, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author joncoates89
    Originally Posted by Right Field Porch View Post

    Thank you Warriors for any information.

    Let's say I'm working off a list of 10 trusted and successful Solo Ad providers. Today I'm starting to do business with one of them, Sara and Sam Solo.

    They run the ad Monday June 5 2017 and it turns out the results were equal to or better than what I hoped during the next 7 days, bringing us to June 12, 2017.

    When does it make financial sense to do business with them again? Is a major player or close to it in the industry adding enough new subscribers on their end that you could use them every week or would it be every two weeks, or longer?

    Obviously I would want the ad in front of a new set of eyes with the same statistical probability that happened the first time around.

    Lastly could you rely on 10 Solo Ad providers only or as you get going promoting something would ten by way to small?

    Appreciation to Warriors for helping.
    Right, yeah I totally understand how you mean with your concern to whether or not this will be worth your time to make repeat buying decisions with the same vendor...

    ...Also I believe that you have more than enough Solo Ad providers, but its a great habit at the same time to continue searching everyday for quality vendors..

    ..There are plenty of Newbie, Intermediate and Expert marketers building there lists with only a select few/handful of Solo Ad vendors...

    ....This is in large part because of the consistent results they are getting...

    I have come more accustomed to using UDIMI because it has a rating and feedback system like ebay, and i'm able to get a good feel if folks are making sales simply by reading through the comments...

    ...In my opinion, just like you I feel as though it'd be much more worth our time doing things and using solos that we are able to have 1, a fresh set of eyes with clear growth in numbers... something we are able to track, measure and take accountability for,...

    Bottom line, I feel like its something to constantly monitor and optimize, in other words: always looking for new vendors, polishing email swipes, testing different swipe files etc...

    Constant improvement despite the circumstances and we are more than likely to have real growth
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    • Hi joncoates89:

      Thanks for a detailed response and helping other Warriors with the mention of UDIMI Dot Com.

      Impartial information that you provided is worth its wait in gold. When you share a site you have had success with and are not promoting anything on the thread or trying to sell me something via Private Message it has a lot of credence.

      It also says a lot about you as a person and fellow Warrior that you would share a site with others and not keep the information as a hidden secret to those that may be new on the forum or not sure about the workings of Solo Ads.

      Based on your kind response I only hope you make a million over the summer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Isaiah Jackson
    Personally if a solo ad seller got results for me - in both subscribers and sales.

    I would go back the following week (or a few days later)

    This is dependent on how many clicks you originally purchased of course.

    So if you bought say 200 clicks.

    Ask the person you bought traffic from how ofter are they replenishing their list.

    Most (at least the ones I've dealt with) are adding 200-500 subs a day to their email lists.

    And at 200 clicks I'm sure wouldn't exhaust their entire list - probably just a segment of their list.

    If the results are there - the sooner the better.

    Also, make sure you are testing new solo ad providers.

    You may find 5 or 6 great sellers who do well with your offer.

    Use Google and search Solo Ads Testimonials group.

    You can also use sites like;

    Udimi
    Clickonomy
    TrafficForMe

    Just to name a few,

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    • Hi Isaiah:

      Thank you for a great response, not only sharing 3 sites that fellow Warriors can examine for Solo Ads but answering the question about how quickly you could repeat doing business with somebody you had success with.

      One other person on the forum and a few off were kind enough to mention Udimi and speak very highly about the site and results you can have if research is done correctly.

      I hope you have a million dollar day!
      JY
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by Isaiah Jackson View Post

      You can also use sites like;

      Udimi
      Clickonomy
      TrafficForMe

      Just to name a few,

      Isaiah
      great post isiah,

      also i look in facebook solo ads testimonials....there are some very good solo ad deals in there, with high quality buyer lists.

      But those three you mention are awesome.
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      • Hi Celente:

        Thanks for posting again.

        I could not have asked for the Warriors to have been any nicer and more informative.

        Enjoy Sunday,
        JY
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Remember to reward Warriors by chiming back in with a detailed run down of your results.

          Everyone is looking for quality sources of leads.

          All the best!
          Daniel
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          • Profile picture of the author pawandave
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            When solo ads provider have buyer list, like if the guys launches product regularly or by any means if they gather buyer in your list. Buying from them repeatedly is not bad...moreover you can also self check from result
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Steer clear of professional solo ad sellers

    Seriously

    The reason should be obvious.

    They are more expensive and their lists are saturated with jaded members

    These are very hard to convert

    If you want to do solo ads right, buy from non-pro sellers

    These are actual niche bloggers who have mailing lists

    They are more likely to sell you email traffic for CHEAP

    Their members are also more likely to convert if you use content to prequalify them
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    • Hi Writeaway:

      Thanks for your reply.

      In order to show balance there is a counterpoint of your view.

      I was talking off-line to somebody yesterday that has done well with Solo Ads over the years and his opinion was and I am using your term here "Professional seller" still has to come through for the buyer or folks of the review sites will tear him to shreds. The three mentioned on this thread for instance.

      He further articulated that the professional seller is still adding fresh leads per day. If Jane purchases an add from Jack on Monday and you on Thursday his list may have increased by several hundred and in turn the promised clicks can go to a different set of eyes.

      I am impartial and he was as well (did not try to sell me any of his products or even have me look at his website/blog/YouTube Channel.

      In no way am I saying you are wrong and he is correct, only I want both sides of any topic to be heard fairly.

      Thanks again for helping the thread,
      JY
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  • Profile picture of the author Adrianne_
    The most important thing about Solo Ads is your follow up letters.
    A seller with a great list can deliver clicks and subscribers, but
    what good is that going to do you if they don't buy anything?

    In your scenario, you said if you got a good return within 7 days,
    when should you buy again. I think 7 days is too soon to draw
    a conclusion about the solo ad because what if the next 3 weeks
    you don't get any more sales?

    Keep in mind that everybody is not going to open their mail on
    day 1. Some may not open the mail at all. Others may trickle in
    later over the next few weeks and when they finally open the
    mail, they may not buy on first glance.

    If you earned back your initial investment within 7 days, personally
    I would wait until week 2 or even week 3 to purchase again.
    This will give you a better percentage of your conversion rate.
    People are emotional beings. Just because they purchased well
    in week1 doesn't mean the list will always make a purchase from here
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    • Hi Adrianne:

      Thanks for response.

      One point I would counter with is there are things that over time have statistical backing either pro or con.

      Let's use imaginary (this way nobody thinks I am plugging somebody on the thread) seller Sally Ann Solo Ad Company.

      Sally has been in business for 5 years and on the major Solo Sites has a positive feedback of 4.93 out of 5 stars.

      Sally is gaining new legit subscribers weekly without a downturn.

      Billy the Buyer decides to do business with Sally and the results are what he was looking for (making sense with the 4.93 percent feedback).

      He waits we can debate 1 week 2 or 3. Once again the results are at least profitable for Billy.

      Statistics will show if he does business a third time he should make a profit again because:

      She has the track record
      Her list is responsive to what Billy is selling and the new subscribers have proven to be consistent as a match for the two.

      If we are talking about Billy does business with Sally and makes a profit on week 1. Week 2 or 3 he wants the same people contacted for another product that is different. The statistics change greatly. In this scenario is there disposable income for something so close together from the same person, is the group feeling they are being pushed, and is the product as good as the first time around.

      If you are going with fresh set of eyes, statistics should be close. Certainly as in sports because you have a great team play an average one it doesn't mean they will win all the time but over time the numbers become entrenched enough to properly analyze.

      Thanks again for being kind enough to ad great insight to the post.

      Regards,
      JY
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        With respect, you are over analysing this to a significant degree when your focus should be elsewhere.

        Try 'Sally'. Chances are, she's in a syndicate who leave each other glowing testimonials and use the same worthless 'list' or an autosurf program. The only thing they deliver is a number of visitors and they know that people make the mistake in focusing only upon subscriber numbers. They know too that people don't segregate subscribers and so, their subs get lost in a big mix (from other sources) and thus, there's is no way of tracking actual sales.

        If 'Sally' is profitable (unlikely), then you should ask yourself if there's any value in using her again.

        The profit part (actual sales) is what you should be focusing upon currently.

        It's going to be a commendable achievement in itself to simply profit from a solo ad seller, especially one that's on a 'Top 10' list, including kings, queens and ninjas. The same people promote themselves on every solo ad website and they make themselves available on Skype.

        The truth is, we need to put in some effort to attain quality leads. Solo ad buys (from sellers) are the easy route and unfortunately one which doesn't work. If you contact someone in your niche for a solo, you can possibly garner 70 sales instead of none.

        To satisfy your curiosity, invest in a solo, then you can see first hand the results and save your money to give to someone in your niche who can drive, proper, targettted traffic - something which you can feel excited and confident about.

        Forgive the firm tone. It just needs to be emphasised that there's no business in solo ads bought from sellers. Knowledge of this is a money saver if you come to the conclusion early.

        Be someone who can say 'I made $7000 with 70 sales, rather than 'Sally crushed it. Got 70 signups'.

        Wishing you a proper, effective business, with scores of daily sales - not just false hopes....
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    If you got good results you can go back the next week. Just use a different subject line and email. I would not try to send the very same exact message that you did before.

    With a new message many of the people who didn't opened and read your 1st one will now have a chance to read your second.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    some good responses in here.

    No solo ad is created equal.

    I always deal with this and ask for fresher leads, as the fresher the lead, the more inclinded they are to be interested.

    I hate spammed to death lists....
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  • Profile picture of the author DeanJames
    @Right Field Porch - There are some variables in play here (including how many leads they are adding on a daily basis). Ask the vendor how large their list is and if they can send to a different list segment. If their list is large enough and they can do this, you could have another successful campaign as soon as the vendor has an ad slot free.

    It is only logical that if they have subscribers who have not seen your offer, then your offer (to that list segment) is something new.

    If they can't send to a different segment find out how many leads they are adding daily and then leave it a week or two before booking another solo.
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    • Hi DeanJames:

      Much appreciated you taking the time to answer the post and give good information.

      As importantly thanks for being impartial. No matter the thread on or off the Warrior Forum it is always a shame to read somebody lumping an entire group of people or form of marketing into all being evil and a waste of time and money.

      When somebody looks at things from both angles it is the type of response that helps the forum and the thread.

      Enjoy Saturday!

      JY
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        Originally Posted by Right Field Porch View Post

        Hi DeanJames:

        Much appreciated you taking the time to answer the post and give good information.

        As importantly thanks for being impartial. No matter the thread on or off the Warrior Forum it is always a shame to read somebody lumping an entire group of people or form of marketing into all being evil and a waste of time and money.

        When somebody looks at things from both angles it is the type of response that helps the forum and the thread.

        Enjoy Saturday!

        JY
        With all due respect, you've seemingly concluded that the 'good advice' is the advice that you want to hear.

        Regretably, you've ignored the answers which you asked of me since they don't fit your intention.

        The sooner you do the inevitable, the sooner you can report back with your sales.

        When you've got your sales exceeding your expenditure, you'll know that you have yourself a business.


        All the best!
        Daniel
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Yeah, wait two weeks to make sure they are replenishing their List with new leads. It's a tough game, these solo ads. Daniel has some really good points.

    But money can be made in Solos. You just have to have the right vendor as well as a good OTO to break even so you are getting free leads. That 's key
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    • Hi Discrat:

      Thanks for contributing. Once again it is refreshing to see something posted that is not broad-based for or against a topic. You pointed out both sides.

      Enjoy the night,
      JY
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeyman120
    I would first do my best to set up a high converting sales funnel after my squeeze page so I can hopefully earn while building my list. Once I have a good converting funnel I would stay with any vendor who made me money and stay with them until the profits drop off for at least a few months so they can replenish their list. I would try to use sites that have ratings so you know who you are dealing with as there is a lot of shadiness in the solos business. But as long as I turn a profit I would keep going with them and there are no shortage of solo sellers out there so keep testing different sellers lists.
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    • Hi Mikeyman120:

      Thank you for a well thought out and helpful reply.

      I have said this 1,000,000,000 times on the thread I am not plugging anything (no signature), I am not giving the full name of a Solo Ad Provider, or an affiliate group.

      When somebody like you takes the time to mention both sides it helps the thread. You bring up about replenishing list/sales funnels/ and also counter with shadiness.

      You don't paint the picture that all the Solo Ad Sellers are nothing more than a Cult.

      Not too long ago somebody shared with me the return they had on investment for the last 14 months with Solo Ads. Using proper research and having things in place the way you mentioned,

      They never once tried to sell me a product, ask me to join their list, or even visit the website/blog/YouTube Channel.

      They gave me tangible evidence their return on investment over the 14 months was for every dollar spent on Solo Ads they received 1.74 back (American funds). Another example somebody had showed me was 1.80 return.

      This is why nobody here is overthinking anything. The information the nice folks are teaching me and I am writing about is from statistical proof.

      Once again you are kind to reply!

      Have the best weekend,
      JY
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    Why delay further and reiterate a billion and one times? Waste no further time here. Invest and reap the benefits, lest you be both an over thinker and non-mover.

    !I have said this 1,000,000,000 times on the thread I am not plugging anything (no signature), I am not giving the full name of a Solo Ad Provider, or an affiliate group.
    You already did state specific names, so your eagerness in stating the fact might raise suspision in fairness.

    It's perhaps time to put your money where your confidence lies. You can provide clear stats of your very own and in turn, you'll deter those who suggest you to be a shill and those who simply know that buying from solo ad sellers holds no viable business value.

    It's great to see someone make the move to garner first hand experience from both perspectives.


    All the best in your venture!
    Daniel
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