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Well i work hard but my income its very less and i am struggling and i am tired of this .
Hi all this great comunity i want to say that i work in online marketing only with free traffic and my days are very hard with this i see many disapointmens that i want to give up
Do you think mixing with paid traffic will make a diference ? Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

    Well i work hard but my income its very less and i am struggling and i am tired of this .
    Hi all this great comunity i want to say that i work in online marketing only with free traffic and my days are very hard with this i see many disapointmens that i want to give up
    Do you think mixing with paid traffic will make a diference ? Thanks


    No, paying for traffic won't make a difference other than losing money.

    You need to focus on traffic intent. Why is traffic coming to your site vs what does traffic expect from your site once they land on your pages.

    What niche are you targeting?
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    • Profile picture of the author spartan14
      My niche its making money online but i work very less on it .In general i make short videos about majority of clickbank products but they dont give me expected resuts .In fact i get very very les for my work
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      • Profile picture of the author mrjackpowers
        Do you write the video scripts yourself? Just sayin, your writing is a little hard to follow.
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      • Profile picture of the author gianbizz
        Making money online is a very very profitable niche, but it's also a very very high competition.
        Try to pick another niche with low competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    Frustration is part of the learning curve.

    It seems like you are trying to sell Clickbank products.

    You need to give more info to get better suggestions.

    How many videos do you make per day?

    How long are they?

    Are they value based or just sales pitches?
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    • Profile picture of the author spartan14
      Originally Posted by Rory Singh View Post

      Frustration is part of the learning curve.

      It seems like you are trying to sell Clickbank products.

      You need to give more info to get better suggestions.

      How many videos do you make per day?

      How long are they?

      Are they value based or just sales pitches?
      Well i make 30 review videos of diferent clickbank products ,i simply register sales video 1 minute and the i record a voice that say for full video click link in description .Then i make also 2 clickbank campaigns .For a product i download some images and i create 4 videos then i convert them on 4 formats in total for campaign 20 videos .2 cmpaigns = 40 videos .I dont rank them only upload and put them title tags description etc .and i also upload like 30 creative commons video .So in conclusion i think are mojority like sales pitches and short videos .So i make like 100 videos daily ,well not everyday because it very fustrating when you dont see any results
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      • Profile picture of the author Wile E Coyote
        This means literally NOTHING.

        How many views are you getting per day?

        You just said you don't rank them and you just upload them and hope for the best?

        Your strategy is what's messed up if anything.

        I doubt you're getting many views. Your conversion rate on a CB product will probably be <1% of your views. 200+ Views for a sale.

        You're digging in the desert to find water.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

        My niche its making money online but i work very less on it .In general i make short videos about majority of clickbank products but they dont give me expected resuts .In fact i get very very les for my work
        Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

        Well i make 30 review videos of diferent clickbank products ,i simply register sales video 1 minute and the i record a voice that say for full video click link in description .Then i make also 2 clickbank campaigns .For a product i download some images and i create 4 videos then i convert them on 4 formats in total for campaign 20 videos .2 cmpaigns = 40 videos .I dont rank them only upload and put them title tags description etc .and i also upload like 30 creative commons video .So in conclusion i think are mojority like sales pitches and short videos .So i make like 100 videos daily ,well not everyday because it very fustrating when you dont see any results

        Cmon now, that's just spammy.

        You couldn't have possibly bought 30 CB products and gave honest reviews.

        You need to fallback and forget all that random CB nonsense.

        My advice is, pick one thing that you have personally bought because you wanted or needed that product, doesn't even matter If it's a toothbrush (example). Find a relevant traffic source first, build a site and run with it.

        My point is, If you look around at your own life and buying habits, there's a few million other folks buying the same stuff. Don't get fixated on IM products, there's a lot more out there to monetize.
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      • Profile picture of the author Anders Jorgensen
        Well I am not saying it's wrong but 1 clickbank product at the time is enough.

        Second of all get out of the make money niche as you will never win against the gurus out there. Pick something else!

        With a clickbank product build a squezze page/landing page and promote that with traffic. Focus on providing value and benefits of the product. What will it do for me since you promote it?

        You just do one video explaning the benefits and put that on the landing page or just plain head line, bullets and call to action.

        That is what the gurus do and the normal way of promoting such products.
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    • Profile picture of the author anayb
      You're not alone out there. Perseverance is the key to becoming successful. Figure out what went wrong. If I were you, I wouldn't make any attempts to make money for some time, but learning new skill-sets, honing my existing skills. I got to add immense value that audience can't ignore me.

      Every time I encounter a failure (we all do), I work on it, be it learning a completely new skill I am not very comfortable with. The trick is coming out of your comfort zone and challenge yourself, not matter how hard and formidable it does look at first glance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

    Well i work hard but my income its very less and i am struggling and i am tired of this .
    Hi all this great comunity i want to say that i work in online marketing only with free traffic and my days are very hard with this i see many disapointmens that i want to give up
    Do you think mixing with paid traffic will make a diference ? Thanks
    First thing is to turn off the brain for awhile do go near anything IM related for 2 days so you come back to a refreshed mind and look at the issue from the outside
    you will surprised how good this works

    You will get you advocates for free and paid but it comes down to what you can afford

    Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I watched a video on your site - upbeat, lively music with artistically done text about a product (couldn't tell you what the product was) - the text was 'lead in' - of 'do you want blah blah blah'.

    Then straight to screen shots too small to read - same music over and over. I lasted maybe a minute before I closed the video. There was no human connection - no real information offered. It was the old "do you want money online - here is how you get it" with nothing more substantive.

    You've mentioned "forum marketing" here several times - and clearly that's part of your strategy. You post advice in dozens of threads but you aren't following your own advice. When you post you are not making money - 'forum marketing' won't help you sell make-money products. There is a credibility gap and I'm sure you can see that. You probably are working 'very hard' - but if it isn't productive for you what's the point of all those hours?

    You asked some good questions at the beginning of the year (Jan/Feb) and had some good replies and suggestions. You might start by going back to those threads and re-reading the advice given in them. It might help you understand what you can do to improve your results.

    It seems you built a blog with a few reviews (6-8?) - some of them of older products - then you started churning out videos day after day. Even though it's not working (for income, that is) you keep doing it.

    You need to stop this 'routine' and find a better way to earn online. Maybe affiliate sites rather than countless videos - maybe a totally different approach - CPA or lead generation or whatever. You are smart and willing to put in the work - that puts you ahead of many people online.
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    • Profile picture of the author imstarter2016
      I totally agree with Kay,this morning I visited his blog,he is trying to sell affiliate offers on how to make money online by reviewing them...then when i read all of his threads here and compare,and find it is contradictory:since you don't make any money yet using these offers,how do you recommend your visitors(followers) to buy them?Sales are very sensitive,they are really based on peoples' relationship,this relationship is based on people know u,like u and trust u...I suggest you taking off all of your fake reviews,then just show your step-by-step plan of how you use your recommended offer make money,you bought and used it and then recommended...Don't be too rush and too desperate...Money are like girls,they are too shy,too unsecure...
      Nothing personal with you,just give you my instinct impressions,hopefully can help u a little bit help...
      Good luck to you!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
    Listen, you may not like to hear this, but this is what it LOOKS like you need to hear.

    Change your attitude and your circumstances will change.

    You're posting saying you want to give up. That's not how you win.

    Now, to solve the problem.

    If you want to solve a problem, you must use different thinking than that which caused the problem.

    Internet marketing is not hard, in fact it's easy. You just need to think differently than you are right now.

    I saw in another post where you said that you had made over 300 or 3,000 videos and were earning about $6 per day. If any of that is incorrect from my memory, I apologize in advance.

    If I had made just 30 videos and made only $6 per day was it? I would stop, re-evaluate my thinking and test something else.

    Your success or failure is determined with what's between your ears, your mind.

    Once you change your attitude, you'll be surprised at just how fast your circumstances change.

    Have a great day.
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Thanks to all fro this great advices and yea my strategy its totaly wrong because my mindset its also wrong .But i will never give up and i will become better by better each day .
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    • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
      Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

      Thanks to all fro this great advices and yea my strategy its totaly wrong because my mindset its also wrong .But i will never give up and i will become better by better each day .
      There you go, that's the spirit. Dig in, get determined and make it happen.

      So, it' looks like you have no problem putting in the work effort.

      You just need to change your strategy so the results are different.

      How many total clicks from your videos are you getting per day to your offers?

      If you're getting lots of clicks, think about changing the offers.

      If you're not getting many clicks, think about changing the videos.

      Think about building your own blog and lead page. Send your traffic there to get your free eBook or what have you.

      Now, with your list you have traffic you control.

      In the long run this strategy may prove more effective for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author anayb
        Sell your own ebooks, and capture buyers email, re-market them. You know your list contains no freebie seekers, that's a plus point. Produce quality, long videos with after effects. If not each of videos get at least 300 unique views a day, you're not on the right track. keep increasing video quality until you get that amount of views per day organically. Drive traffic to your videos via YouTube ads TrueView its quite cheap.
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      • Profile picture of the author spartan14
        Originally Posted by Enfusia View Post

        There you go, that's the spirit. Dig in, get determined and make it happen.

        So, it' looks like you have no problem putting in the work effort.

        You just need to change your strategy so the results are different.

        How many total clicks from your videos are you getting per day to your offers?

        If you're getting lots of clicks, think about changing the offers.

        If you're not getting many clicks, think about changing the videos.

        Think about building your own blog and lead page. Send your traffic there to get your free eBook or what have you.

        Now, with your list you have traffic you control.

        In the long run this strategy may prove more effective for you.
        Well i cannot track clicks because i dont work with a niche i make videos for majority of cb products .In this moment i have at least 3000 videos and they get me like 50 hops on clickbank and they get less day by day .Videos are not solving problems ,they are made for directing people on cb products .I make review video from vendors page or slideshow with products pictures .I will stop this strategy and i will focus on building my list .In youtube i will work on my channel by creating good videos with quality content .The think that i dont succed its that i have also a very bad paradigm in my mind that stop me achieve sucees .Anyway thanks for help
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        • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
          Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

          Well i cannot track clicks because i dont work with a niche i make videos for majority of cb products. .I will stop this strategy and i will focus on building my list .In youtube i will work on my channel by creating good videos with quality content .
          If you are making youtube videos you can add google analytics to the channel if it is not there already. In the control panel of youtube you can track how many people view your video's. Just a small tip to help you out. Here is the link to sign up for it https://www.google.com/analytics/#? Not an affiliate link. You have a lot of good advice on this thread. Good Luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author SpiralX
    If your campaign funnel is not performing well as it is, you need to change the campaign before diving into paid ads. You could consider your free traffic as your testing and watch your stats. Refine your approach until you have improved your traffic conversion. Then just crunch the numbers and you can calculate whether paid ads will make a difference or not. You have a great benefit by testing your campaigns with free traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author mathewboly
    Actually you need to increase traffic by your Targeted Audience. If you can increase the Targeted traffic, your sale may increase. You can increase both paid & Free Traffic Method. Thanks for your interest.
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  • Profile picture of the author T S Chan
    What about producing more quality content videos and direct your visitors to a landing page and build list?

    Provide more great content to engage your subscribers through autoresponder messages and social media posting. You can promote affiliate products after that (more content, less promotion)
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    You got some great advice. Just like the gentleman said above...you need to shift your focus.

    It seems like you were just making 'sales' videos.

    So...

    You're too focused on just making money for yourself right now instead of helping others online.

    Sales are made when people buy products but people buy value and credibility FIRST!

    You need to rethink your strategy because it's not going to work no matter how many videos you make like these.

    So...

    Listen to Regional Warrior...

    Take a few days off and then come back fresh.

    Then pick only (1) niche that you are really passionate about.

    Then before you start any more marketing, start looking at this from a new perspective...

    From a point where you are in 'service' to others!
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  • Profile picture of the author RichardThessen
    Stop putting up profit up front. Instead, try to build trust and foster a good relationship with prospective clients. Everything else will fall in place
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  • Profile picture of the author Risktaker89
    Great advices being given!

    I would suggest you to purchase a course, and make a review about it, and actually applying what you learn in the course, and then post the results about you getting results with it with proof.

    For example, in your site, instead of just copying and pasting the 8 minute profits sales page, purchase the course (go for 8 minute profits 2.0 though), really go through it, put up the review in your own words, apply what is taught in 8 Minute Profits 2.0, and then write a follow up on that.

    That will be more credible and if you apply what you learn in 8 Minutes Profits 2.0, you will definitely have built up your own email list so that you can market to them too.

    Try to focus on churning out videos which are more useful in content. If you see successful marketers who uses Youtube, you will tend to find them giving out content / free advice / tutorials and subsequently recommending them to check out a related product or entice them to sign up to their email list.

    Don't give up, you have not made money, but I am certain you have gained a lot of knowledge in this journey. Making money online is another never ending learning journey
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  • Profile picture of the author Eden A
    First thing don't give up!

    before you're going to invest some money on paid traffic
    you should see what are you doing wrong and
    maybe you should considering taking a mentor from your niche
    that will be able to help you with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author anayb
      A little note:

      The problem I see some folks force themselves to do something (for example YouTube) they're not cut out for. Why do they do it? Basically, they're lured by all the hype into doing what they think they're supposed to do. So they follow the crowd and march blindly into the abyss, like good little digital drones.

      Simply put, you might be in the wrong line of work. Instead of pushing yourself to do something you're not meant to do, be the best at what you do.

      Successful people stay true to themselves and don't follow what others said they should do.

      Remember, those who made it are those who had what it takes. Those who were cut out for it. Those who were passionate about their work. Those who were committed to achieving great things. The vast majority were not. And they all washed out.
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    Most people fail to begin with. Just focus on making something of value :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author TheMentorGuy
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    You will need to spend money to make money unless this free source of traffic is highly targeted.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Explore these practical tips below S, but your struggles are rooted in fears you need to face, feel and release, to cut through your struggles, to follow proven practical tips and to succeed. Because if you follow the advice below while still burying those deep fears, the tips will not work. You will continue to self-sabotage.

    Consider meditating, spending a bit of time in quiet, and exploring what you fear most with your online biz. Then, feel those fears. However unpleasant. Feel, embrace and when you clear the fear, you will find and follow good advice, building the framework for online success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve L
    Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

    Well i work hard but my income its very less and i am struggling and i am tired of this .
    Hi all this great comunity i want to say that i work in online marketing only with free traffic and my days are very hard with this i see many disapointmens that i want to give up
    Do you think mixing with paid traffic will make a diference ? Thanks
    Whenever I've run into a brick wall I'd take a step back and focus on developing my skillset in some way, whether it's web development or sales copywriting. You have to keep experimenting and increasing your skillset! Don't give up buddy!

    Try and find an in-house position where you can put your skills to use and learn new ones while getting paid!
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

    Well i work hard but my income its very less and i am struggling and i am tired of this .
    Hi all this great comunity i want to say that i work in online marketing only with free traffic and my days are very hard with this i see many disapointmens that i want to give up
    Do you think mixing with paid traffic will make a diference ? Thanks
    Can you share details on what you've been doing then we could likely help more
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    Best of luck man! Keep trying.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

    ... And my days are very hard with this I see many disappointments that I want to give up.
    That's just part of the process of becoming successful. Many -- if not most -- Entrepreneurs had many setbacks and/or "failures" before reaching their goal(s). Do you know the difference between those who made it and those who didn't?

    They simply refused to give up ... If you're serious about being successful you will eventually reach your goals -- no matter what happens. Keep going because every step is another step closer.
    : )
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  • Profile picture of the author Anders Jorgensen
    Well there are 2 things to look at:

    1: The product or service you provide.
    2: Your target audience

    Social media aka free traffic is not people looking for other than to relax and have a good time not buying anything. The key is to be consistent with pictures and build your fan base/following. This can be automated to help you and outsourced too.

    Paid traffic like Adwords or Bing is people searching for something and it could be your service or products.

    One warning is to invest in a proper guide to paid traffic as it can be taking your money if you are a beginner to it.

    Facebook ads have many targeting options and run on pictures instead of keywords. If you have a light product or service it might work.

    In any case test it and you will now for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author hsahadath
    Frustration is very common in this online marketing sector. Most of the successful marketers who are doing very well have suffered from frustration.
    You also one of them. But the thing is you have to learn more if you want to get more.
    You should focus on the long-term goal, there is no short-term success.
    You are applying some techniques but there are other marketing techniques. You can try another way to reach the goal. Focus on your niche, connect with successful marketers and read their blogs to know which techniques they are following.
    Paid traffic and free traffic is not a big issue. But you should get quality traffic then you can do better with your small amount of traffic. You can get quality traffic without any costs. Target your audience and reach them. Don;t force them to buy but teach them why this can be helpful.
    Quality traffic is the real traffic who can be your real buyer. Especially, search engine traffic or organic traffic is quality traffic.

    Thanks, Munna Hossain from Mytechgoal.
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Thanks to all for this great advices .I will never give up ,i must to succed no matter what
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  • Profile picture of the author troy23
    I agree with Anders - I think you need to move out of that niche as it is saturated now. It's really hard to rank highly on YouTube for make money online, SEO etc. That being said, YouTube takes time.....I have videos there from the onset which get in excess of 50,000 views, but they are in an unusual niche. Have you done any keyword research for your videos? Are they optimised?
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    • Profile picture of the author anayb
      Its a myth that you need to be patient with YouTube; in many cases, it could be blazing fast. Its faster than your blog, website and most paid traffic methods.

      I have followed some channels which quickly accelerated (3 months or less) with over 1.5 millions of subscribers. They got less than 300 videos each. Many videos were viewed at least 6 million times.
      Its not YouTube but your skills which take a great deal of time to develop to produce classy videos to crack YouTube.

      Alone video editing skills can make you rich, if done correctly.
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  • Profile picture of the author troy23
    It can be blazing fast depending on your niche, but it was a lot better at YouTube's beginning than it is now. It's nothing to do with making classy videos. Some of my early efforts were very poor - audio and picture, but those get around 100,000 views. The key is your subject material - is it a huge market with a lot of competition or is it something specialised & whether or not it is something that is being searched for. I use the Google keyword tool, but YouTube suggest can be effective also.
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    • Profile picture of the author anayb
      Originally Posted by troy23 View Post

      It can be blazing fast depending on your niche, but it was a lot better at YouTube's beginning than it is now. It's nothing to do with making classy videos. Some of my early efforts were very poor - audio and picture, but those get around 100,000 views. The key is your subject material - is it a huge market with a lot of competition or is it something specialised & whether or not it is something that is being searched for. I use the Google keyword tool, but YouTube suggest can be effective also.
      You can say so 'classy videos' do not matter a lot, but your acting wouldn't change the present circumstances at all. Its still posh, classy, elegant videos just like TV commercials that matter.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrjackpowers
    If you're struggling now, paying for traffic isn't going to magically solve anything. I think you should ask some diagnostic questions:

    How well do you understand your audience?
    Are you picking the right products to promote?
    How good is your content?
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  • Profile picture of the author troy23
    Its still posh, classy, elegant videos just like TV commercials that matter.

    Well the OP is only promoting Clickbank products.
    There is no need to be Steven Speilberg.
    The best videos are raw, simple and to the point.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by anayb View Post

    You can say so 'classy videos' do not matter a lot, but your acting wouldn't change the present circumstances at all. Its still posh, classy, elegant videos just like TV commercials that matter.
    If that were universally true, why do simple 'unboxing' or demo videos get so many views?

    You don't need slick videos. You need authenticity. They're not mutually exclusive, of course, but I'll take a simple unboxing video over a slick infomercial.

    From the OP's description, it sounds like his videos are a relatively crude attempt at being slick.

    I used to enjoy the commercial buildings at the state fair, where various vendors would set up booths and demo their wares. One incident sticks in my mind.

    The vendor was selling some kind of vegetable slicer/chopper gizmo, and during his demo he made that thing do everything but cook and serve the food. It looked totally effortless, and he kept up his patter the whole time. At the end of his spiel, he asked if anyone had questions.

    One woman asked him, "if I buy your gizmo, will I be able to chop and slice like you just did?"

    He said, "No, ma'am, you won't. But I do this 14 hours per day, 7 days a week, for ten months a year. I've been doing it for five years. I guarantee, if you spent the same amount of time practicing that I did, you could do it, too"

    Then he made a genius move...he asked the woman to join him in the booth. He handed her the gizmo and three potatoes. He set the gizmo, and asked her to cut up the potatoes using the gizmo. It took her a minute or so, rather than the seconds it took him earlier. When she was done, he asked her how long it would have taken her to do it her old way. She said about 5 times as long.

    She bought two. So did I. Both of us stopped thinking about how slick the gizmo was, and started thinking about how much time we were going to save in the kitchen.

    Which is the key to selling kitchen gadgets or CB products. Get the prospect to quit thinking about the product itself and start visualizing themselves reaping the benefit.
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    • Profile picture of the author anayb
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      If that were universally true, why do simple 'unboxing' or demo videos get so many views?

      You don't need slick videos. You need authenticity. They're not mutually exclusive, of course, but I'll take a simple unboxing video over a slick infomercial.
      Its your perspective; there are some people who welcome the very adversity and intense competition; they aspire to achieve great things--where their competitive spirit comes very handy. Its formidable, but they even tend to compete against the titans.

      I'm not that type of guy who do all the talking about being good guys; because I know such people often turn out to be the biggest creeps, and I forgot those who are trying to build companies that shall be worth millions will naturally see things much differently. Just like winners know It's always better to be the underdog, time has come for me that I should nurture the power of the underdog mentality more often.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marcus W K Wong
      Hey John, you're not referring to the peeler man are you?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCUct4NlxE0&t=1s

      His pitches are dope!
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    Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

    Well i work hard but my income its very less and i am struggling and i am tired of this .
    Hi all this great comunity i want to say that i work in online marketing only with free traffic and my days are very hard with this i see many disapointmens that i want to give up
    Do you think mixing with paid traffic will make a diference ? Thanks
    Some people find paid traffic sources easier. Some find free easier.

    Can you share what you've tried and details around it? We can provide suggestions based off this.
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    Earning money online is very difficult but not impossible you have to daily consistent efforts do not give up. Keep trying and learning new things daily one day you will achieve great results.
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