Haven't been around for 5 years, what did I miss?

by 512jay
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After, 5 years of losing money trying to make money in other ways on the internet, I'm back to lose some money on internet marketing again. What were the best hits from the last few years?

Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author JC illuminous
    People are still loosing money to make money, you cought up to speed if you ask me.
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  • Profile picture of the author john129
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    yes. most people are losing money without earning anything

    I am still trying to figure out things even after several years and still haven't earned any money

    Internet Marketing is much much harder and tricky than I ever thought .....

    Quiting my job and earn online is just a big dream for me now
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    What were the best hits from the last few years?
    Don't worry about the past, consider what will be a hit in the future.

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      "Internet Marketing is much much harder and tricky than I ever thought " For some people cooking food is damn hard It's all about skillset.
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    • Profile picture of the author JC illuminous
      You literally just took the article Jason Stone (MillionaireMentor) sent out last week and slapped your name on it. Lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Lee Rees
    From what I can see on here, people seem to be trying to make money selling guides on how to make money. It makes no sense, and thus that's why they aren't making money.
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    • Profile picture of the author NathanRoth
      What should they be doing instead? Selling software?
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      • Profile picture of the author overtonis
        they should be finding out what they do well and build everything around that.
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  • Profile picture of the author 512jay
    thanks for all the replies so SNAFU.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Well with that attitude you surely will continue to lose.

    Do you understand the basics of marketing (love how I put instructions in front of people and get crickets...I'd have KILLED for something like this when I started; it's like I'm talking a foreign language no matter how much I simplify the concepts)? Have you identified a target market who admit to having a serious problem? Do you have a solution for that serious problem to sell them?

    This really isn't difficult. But most of you give up after three days of effort (be honest with yourself, and hate me all you want for pointing it out) on the shiny object train.

    Get leads. Qualify them. Show the qualified leads your offer. It's not "rocket surgery," as a friend of mine likes to say.
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    • Profile picture of the author 512jay
      So, I followed your link and read your primer. Get traffic, convert them, make money. Sound nice.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Haha. Don't you just hate it when you give people the information they need to be successful, then that information just bounces off their foreheads? LOL

      OP: Here is the reality. The principles that work in offline business also work online.

      Everything we do is direct marketing, and you need to get people to your offer and convert them to buying what you are selling. Everything else is just words.

      Sounds nice, but not detailed enough for you?

      Find an audience of people and find out what they need, then sell it to them. Everyone making good money online is doing this. Find an audience and sell them what they want. When they start converting, get more traffic.

      Sorry that the answer isn't prettier for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Brindamour
    512jay

    Well first of all you need to change your mindset, if you are going into this thinking you will are going to lose money you will.

    I suggest you pick up a copy of Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill

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    • Profile picture of the author 512jay
      Of course, that comment was tongue-in-cheek, bad humor, or self-deprecating, but I like the spirit and a good reread of "Think and Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill is always worth it.
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  • Profile picture of the author HarrieB
    You missed the dropshipping train.
    You missed the Teespring thingy.

    You are just in time for mobile apps frenzy.
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    • Profile picture of the author 512jay
      So, I am assuming that the Teespring thingy was about drop shipping teeshirts?
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    • Profile picture of the author dsimms
      If you want to find out what is selling, then go study facebook ads, if you see ads that run over and over for long periods of time, then they are most likely making money, however, you need skill on setting up FB ads. The most important thing to remember is that pay processors do not support "drop shipping" Do not let the "shopify" thing fool you as they will convince you that you can do it, however, if a pay processor catches you using drop shipping, then they can ban your account, then game over, and this also includes paypal in order to get around this, then you need to buy the product, then ship your own product, and by the time you do all this trying to sell that junk from china, then there is virtually no profit left. SEO/content marketing is out of the question as it takes forever to see any real results, and there is no guarantee, period.

      trying to make money online can be a bitch, it can be very difficult to get people to buy, and if they do not trust you because your site looks like crap, or you have a bad niche/product, then you will not make anything. There are tons of steps you have to go there, niche research, finding that product that will sell like hotcakes, then coming up with 100s of FB test ads so you can find that 1-2 winners in the bunch, then repeat. This is where a good FB guru comes in that can set all this stuff for you; however, it is always best that you learn FB ads on your own through trial and error....

      If you do not have your own product, then do some research, and find a product on clickbank that is doing good, then test some FB ads...

      at the end of the day, it is not that simple to make money,
      and you can lose money just as fast, then you just end
      up hoping around from one project to the next, and
      continue to complain how you never make any money...

      people are so desperate to make money that they never
      stay on any one thing for very long, then they are off
      to something else, and they continue to lose money,
      and they do not know how to quit when they should have
      given up long ago. The universe is not setup so that
      everyone will make money, and most will never make
      money no matter how much they try...
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      • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
        Originally Posted by dsimms View Post

        If you want to find out what is selling, then go study facebook ads, if you see ads that run over and over for long periods of time, then they are most likely making money, however, you need skill on setting up FB ads. The most important thing to remember is that pay processors do not support "drop shipping" Do not let the "shopify" thing fool you as they will convince you that you can do it, however, if a pay processor catches you using drop shipping, then they can ban your account, then game over, and this also includes paypal in order to get around this, then you need to buy the product, then ship your own product, and by the time you do all this trying to sell that junk from china, then there is virtually no profit left. SEO/content marketing is out of the question as it takes forever to see any real results, and there is no guarantee, period.

        trying to make money online can be a bitch, it can be very difficult to get people to buy, and if they do not trust you because your site looks like crap, or you have a bad niche/product, then you will not make anything. There are tons of steps you have to go there, niche research, finding that product that will sell like hotcakes, then coming up with 100s of FB test ads so you can find that 1-2 winners in the bunch, then repeat. This is where a good FB guru comes in that can set all this stuff for you; however, it is always best that you learn FB ads on your own through trial and error....

        If you do not have your own product, then do some research, and find a product on clickbank that is doing good, then test some FB ads...

        at the end of the day, it is not that simple to make money,
        and you can lose money just as fast, then you just end
        up hoping around from one project to the next, and
        continue to complain how you never make any money...

        people are so desperate to make money that they never
        stay on any one thing for very long, then they are off
        to something else, and they continue to lose money,
        and they do not know how to quit when they should have
        given up long ago. The universe is not setup so that
        everyone will make money, and most will never make
        money no matter how much they try...
        WOW Reading between the lines you have not had a good time of late! just need to focus and a bit of hard work for at least 6 months and you should see some funds in the account
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      • Profile picture of the author 512jay
        Thanks for the long honest reply, I can feel that Facebook has caused you much pain. I hope you figure it out. I think I have had a similar experience with a different method, I thought that I could make money trading forex, but now I think that the people making the most money in forex are the people selling the systems. I guess it is still possible to make money trading, but maybe it is beyond me. It took me a while to realize that even if others could make money trading forex, maybe I could not make money in forex. I eventually learned how to build my own trading robots, unfortunately, they are still unprofitable, but one day, when they are I will have a product for a WSO.
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        • Profile picture of the author PirateBarnabus
          I wasted 2 years of my life trading forex at a time when banks were manipulating rates.
          Volatility is the enemy of the small trader.
          I think news trading is a possibility but you need a reliable broker for that.
          What we need is a mentor I think. But not the big guns.
          Any ideas?
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Some of you are taking the OP too seriously. I think the whole "ready to lose some more money" thing was a tongue-in-cheek try for humor. At least, that's how I took it.

    512jay, you really haven't missed much in that department. The cover bands change, but the song stays the same.

    > Someone figures out a way to make money (dropshipping, tee shirts, whatever).

    > Turns the method into an expensive course and does a webinar.

    > Audience either buys the course or comes here trying to get the same info for free.

    > They make a half-assed attempt to exactly duplicate the original, then complain that the market is "saturated".

    > Someone figures out a way to make money (dropshipping, tee shirts, whatever)....

    And the wheels on the bus go round and round...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    Its better than it was 5 years ago.

    Technology is better now, and greater levels of data-mining.

    Advertising is more expensive now though.

    Hope you find something.
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    • Profile picture of the author 512jay
      Thanks for the comment, how is the technology better? Is there more automation? Better sales funnels? Do people accept BitCoin on most offers now? Maybe that could be my trick, take a regular offer and offer it for BitCoin.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    it does not look like I missed all that much.
    Let's see - forum has a new owner, different mods and management....

    Not that you haven't missed anything - just that no one is going to write the cliff notes for the past five years for you...

    One thing never changes - you sell something people need or want...you make money.
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    • Profile picture of the author 512jay
      Dang, I was trying to get the cliff notes version, more interestingly I was looking for maybe the one thing that stands out in your mind that you were really glad you were around to get.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      no one is going to write the cliff notes for the past five years for you...
      ...I bet someone is turning that into a WSO as we speak.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Stevens
    The biggest change in my opinion is the percentage of traffic coming from mobile phones as opposed to desktop has gone through the roof.

    This means you have to really optimize for mobile.
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    • Profile picture of the author 512jay
      Thanks for this insight, think mobile first because that is where most of your traffic will probably come from.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

    Not that you haven't missed anything - just that no one is going to write the cliff notes for the past five years for you...
    Originally Posted by Michael Meaney View Post

    ...I bet someone is turning that into a WSO as we speak.
    Naw, they're over on Fiverr trying to get someone to do it for them...
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Originally Posted by 512jay View Post

    After, 5 years of losing money trying to make money in other ways on the internet, I'm back to lose some money on internet marketing again. What were the best hits from the last few years?

    Thanks.
    Jay ur back thought you was doing some sort of website system ? so thinking you are back on here it all went south and you are looking for the next big thing!!

    Jason
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    • Profile picture of the author 512jay
      Yep, I was doing something called plug-in profits and after a few years it just kinda disintegrated. I'm not sure if it ever earned any money. I'm currently buying and breeding Crypto Kitties.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    after a few years it just kinda disintegrated
    I wondered what happened to PIPS a few years ago....amazing it went as long as it did. I think longevity was due to Patricia and her involvement with members.

    Did PIPs close or move elsewhere?
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    • Profile picture of the author 512jay
      I think they tried to modularize it so when offer failed or stopped paying out they would plug in a new system to take the place of the old. This seemed good in theory, but if you only make like thirteen bucks after a year (my case) the hassle of it all just does not seem worth it. I let my domain expire and did not go back to check into any of the systems that I used to run. Probably got a couple of bucks out there behind some defunct website at the moment. Sure wish I had brought some BitCoin back then.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I wondered what happened to PIPS a few years ago....amazing it went as long as it did. I think longevity was due to Patricia and her involvement with members.

      Did PIPs close or move elsewhere?
      Was that a FOREX program ??
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      • Profile picture of the author 512jay
        No, PIP was based on internet marketing, I remember they had some type of exercise multilevel marketing crap and other multi-level marketing bs.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      I could dig up the FTC case law on it, I suspect.

      I know the guy behind it did get sued by the FTC, and I think it was related to PIPS, but I am not certain that is what got him in trouble.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Just scanning the FTC case, it looks like he got in trouble for something different from PIPS, but the result was that he was prevented from continuing the PIPS operation.

      https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/case...-jeffrey-stone
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      • Profile picture of the author 512jay
        Thanks for that info, you are really getting me caught up on what happened in the last five year. You really can't depend on someone else's system longterm.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    If anyone believes they are coming online to lose...why bother?

    Just quit now.

    Having that type of mindset means no thing will ever work for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author 512jay
      Hmm.. I guess you did not get the joke.
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  • Hi Jay,

    I too was out of IM for several years from late 2009 until early 2015 due to family and health issues. When I first returned, I too knowing how fast things progress online felt I had a lot of catching up to do, when in reality some things have changed mostly effective delivery mediums.

    However, Internet Marketing is still just marketing:
    1. Find a group of people who have a problem.
    2. Solve their problem, hopefully in a manner that is either easier or quicker than any solution they have available to them at this time.
    3. Present your solution to them.
    4. All the while building an email list! (This is the single most important aspect of creating a real online business!)

    So you see it's still the same game, as I stated above the content delivery methods have changed most with the advancement of technology:
    1. Video Marketing is becoming the standard.
    2. Your websites and delivery methods need to be otimized for the mobile users.
    3. Webinars are becoming more and more prevalent.

    This is by far not a complete list, but it covers the most pertinent one IMHO.
    The tools to utilize the above mentioned content delivery options have become much better , easier to use and more economical.

    Good Luck,
    Matt
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    • Profile picture of the author 512jay
      Matt,

      Thank you for your thoughtful and well thought out post. I appreciate the effort you put into it, the first section nails down the core of what needs to happen. While the second displays the latest trends. These are the cliff notes I was searching for!

      Buy why video its such a time waster? I feel like an old fogy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    512jay - are you using the 'feed version' of the forum? Asking due to the multiple post after post to answer as that seems to be a trend for that 'view'.

    If you want 'classic' - click on your name in the toolbar above and switch to 'classic view'. I think you miss some of the flow in the 'modern' view but maybe that's just me.
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    • Profile picture of the author 512jay
      Yep, I was using the feed version. I just thought it was one of the new things that I had to get used to. Thanks for the tip.
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    same stuff, different day
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by 512jay View Post

    Haven't been around for 5 years, what did I miss?

    The Donald is president ... Arby's has "the meats" ... now you can leave home without it ... the great donut diet doesn't work ... the Marines are still looking for a few good men ... and Kaepernick is being considered for Time's "Man of the Year" . . . all strange, but true!

    Stay thirsty my friend,

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  • Profile picture of the author overtonis
    I am in same boat. Stepped away for 5 years and checking out the board again. Looks like it hasn't changed. Just new group of people chasing programs with their money looking for quick fix.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      512jay - are you using the 'feed version' of the forum? Asking due to the multiple post after post to answer as that seems to be a trend for that 'view'.

      If you want 'classic' - click on your name in the toolbar above and switch to 'classic view'. I think you miss some of the flow in the 'modern' view but maybe that's just me.
      Kay, it's not just you.

      Like when I see references to the "post below" which is actually above in the classic view.

      It's also sometimes hard to follow who is talking to who.
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  • Profile picture of the author cearion
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    Well the people who are losing money is still greater than those who are making money. Why is that? There are a lot of factors as to why they don't earn, one thing here is attitude. You will have to strengthen your resolve to do what it takes to learn the trade. Also you might have very little knowledge about how things work or you might be missing something. Take this time as an opportunity to try again but this time you are fully equipped and ready.
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    • Profile picture of the author PirateBarnabus
      I'm also back after many years lay off.
      Regarding the above comments,
      This of course is what the premise was when I went into Forex trading. Study, learn, persevere, follow the winning formula. Find a mentor.
      I did and he turned out to be a mega mega fraudster who had a viable and highly plausible system up to a point.
      Fortunately, I hadn't invested money in him, just his newsletter which..... Wait for it.... He used to BUILD A LIST...
      Of people to defraud!
      TWO YEARS OF MY LIFE I spent with Forex.
      Show me a person making money out of forex and I'll show you someone selling a system or tuition of some sort.
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    Loss and profit both are part of one's life.. Don't losse hope.. Focus on improving your skills.. you will definately achieve the best..
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    Simply great value and do something you are passionate about and the money will follow. I love coding and IM so I made a website making free SEO and internet marketing tools. It's working for me :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author hardworker2013
    A lot have changed since the past 5 years, for one the Affiliate Marketing space
    has become very competitive. Websites and videos are getting harder and harder to rank
    on Google and Youtube. Ecommerce and Crytocurrencies are now the hot items.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaneFTO
    Like you, I haven't been on here much, having "lost" a lot of money on some awful and woeful WSO's in the past, I stopped buying ANY of them, I learnt that the products from some "so called" IM Guru's are just shiiiite!

    One thing you have missed is spending money on these "products" that just get put out to pasture! I would see that as a positive. (It's not all negative! ;-) )

    Oh, the mobile app trend, forget it, Apple have just killed the mobile drag and drop market and it looks like the industry is moving to progressive web apps!

    I'm going to do the good old "rehash some old shit" sorrrrrryyyyyy, so negative, I should've said, "Find an innovative approach to tried and tested techniques to make them more streamlined and profitable"

    Just my ten pence/cents worth!
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  • Profile picture of the author jonesr
    Not much has changed as far as the making money is concerned. A lot of different ways to make money and a lot more ways to lose money. I'd say 98% of the people that try are on the losing end. Good to have you back, hope you do better this time around.
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  • Profile picture of the author grandetourer
    You haven't missed a thing. Welcome back and this time stick with the Warrior Forum. You will learn how to get things done here it just may take a little time.
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