Haven't been around for 5 years, what did I miss?

JC illuminous

6 years ago

People are still loosing money to make money, you cought up to speed if you ask me.

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Randall Magwood 6 years ago

Originally Posted by JC illuminous

People are still loosing money to make money, you cought up to speed if you ask me.

Agreed. LOL .

You haven't missed much. Same old direct response marketing strategies that have worked in the past still work now.
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john129

Banned 6 years ago

yes. most people are losing money without earning anything

I am still trying to figure out things even after several years and still haven't earned any money

Internet Marketing is much much harder and tricky than I ever thought .....

Quiting my job and earn online is just a big dream for me now

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Brent Stangel

6 years ago

What were the best hits from the last few years?

Don't worry about the past, consider what will be a hit in the future.

Brent

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ak009 6 years ago

"Internet Marketing is much much harder and tricky than I ever thought " For some people cooking food is damn hard It's all about skillset.
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6 years ago

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JC illuminous 6 years ago

You literally just took the article Jason Stone (MillionaireMentor) sent out last week and slapped your name on it. Lol
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Lee Rees

6 years ago

From what I can see on here, people seem to be trying to make money selling guides on how to make money. It makes no sense, and thus that's why they aren't making money.

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NathanRoth 6 years ago

What should they be doing instead? Selling software?
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  they should be finding out what they do well and build everything around that.
  
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512jay

6 years ago

thanks for all the replies so SNAFU.

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Jason Kanigan

6 years ago

Well with that attitude you surely will continue to lose.

Do you understand the basics of marketing (love how I put instructions in front of people and get crickets...I'd have KILLED for something like this when I started; it's like I'm talking a foreign language no matter how much I simplify the concepts)? Have you identified a target market who admit to having a serious problem? Do you have a solution for that serious problem to sell them?

This really isn't difficult. But most of you give up after three days of effort (be honest with yourself, and hate me all you want for pointing it out) on the shiny object train.

Get leads. Qualify them. Show the qualified leads your offer. It's not "rocket surgery," as a friend of mine likes to say.

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512jay 6 years ago

So, I followed your link and read your primer. Get traffic, convert them, make money. Sound nice.
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tpw 6 years ago

Haha. Don't you just hate it when you give people the information they need to be successful, then that information just bounces off their foreheads? LOL

OP: Here is the reality. The principles that work in offline business also work online.

Everything we do is direct marketing, and you need to get people to your offer and convert them to buying what you are selling. Everything else is just words.

Sounds nice, but not detailed enough for you?

Find an audience of people and find out what they need, then sell it to them. Everyone making good money online is doing this. Find an audience and sell them what they want. When they start converting, get more traffic.

Sorry that the answer isn't prettier for you.
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512jay 6 years ago

After reading the replies, it does not look like I missed all that much.
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  It seems to me the same.
  
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Chris Brindamour

6 years ago

512jay

Well first of all you need to change your mindset, if you are going into this thinking you will are going to lose money you will.

I suggest you pick up a copy of Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill

Chris

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512jay 6 years ago

Of course, that comment was tongue-in-cheek, bad humor, or self-deprecating, but I like the spirit and a good reread of "Think and Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill is always worth it.
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HarrieB

6 years ago

You missed the dropshipping train.
You missed the Teespring thingy.

You are just in time for mobile apps frenzy.

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512jay 6 years ago

So, I am assuming that the Teespring thingy was about drop shipping teeshirts?
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dsimms

6 years ago

If you want to find out what is selling, then go study facebook ads, if you see ads that run over and over for long periods of time, then they are most likely making money, however, you need skill on setting up FB ads. The most important thing to remember is that pay processors do not support "drop shipping" Do not let the "shopify" thing fool you as they will convince you that you can do it, however, if a pay processor catches you using drop shipping, then they can ban your account, then game over, and this also includes paypal in order to get around this, then you need to buy the product, then ship your own product, and by the time you do all this trying to sell that junk from china, then there is virtually no profit left. SEO/content marketing is out of the question as it takes forever to see any real results, and there is no guarantee, period.

trying to make money online can be a bitch, it can be very difficult to get people to buy, and if they do not trust you because your site looks like crap, or you have a bad niche/product, then you will not make anything. There are tons of steps you have to go there, niche research, finding that product that will sell like hotcakes, then coming up with 100s of FB test ads so you can find that 1-2 winners in the bunch, then repeat. This is where a good FB guru comes in that can set all this stuff for you; however, it is always best that you learn FB ads on your own through trial and error....

If you do not have your own product, then do some research, and find a product on clickbank that is doing good, then test some FB ads...

at the end of the day, it is not that simple to make money,
and you can lose money just as fast, then you just end
up hoping around from one project to the next, and
continue to complain how you never make any money...

people are so desperate to make money that they never
stay on any one thing for very long, then they are off
to something else, and they continue to lose money,
and they do not know how to quit when they should have
given up long ago. The universe is not setup so that
everyone will make money, and most will never make
money no matter how much they try...

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Regional Warrior

6 years ago

Originally Posted by dsimms

If you want to find out what is selling, then go study facebook ads, if you see ads that run over and over for long periods of time, then they are most likely making money, however, you need skill on setting up FB ads. The most important thing to remember is that pay processors do not support "drop shipping" Do not let the "shopify" thing fool you as they will convince you that you can do it, however, if a pay processor catches you using drop shipping, then they can ban your account, then game over, and this also includes paypal in order to get around this, then you need to buy the product, then ship your own product, and by the time you do all this trying to sell that junk from china, then there is virtually no profit left. SEO/content marketing is out of the question as it takes forever to see any real results, and there is no guarantee, period.

trying to make money online can be a bitch, it can be very difficult to get people to buy, and if they do not trust you because your site looks like crap, or you have a bad niche/product, then you will not make anything. There are tons of steps you have to go there, niche research, finding that product that will sell like hotcakes, then coming up with 100s of FB test ads so you can find that 1-2 winners in the bunch, then repeat. This is where a good FB guru comes in that can set all this stuff for you; however, it is always best that you learn FB ads on your own through trial and error....

If you do not have your own product, then do some research, and find a product on clickbank that is doing good, then test some FB ads...

at the end of the day, it is not that simple to make money,
and you can lose money just as fast, then you just end
up hoping around from one project to the next, and
continue to complain how you never make any money...

people are so desperate to make money that they never
stay on any one thing for very long, then they are off
to something else, and they continue to lose money,
and they do not know how to quit when they should have
given up long ago. The universe is not setup so that
everyone will make money, and most will never make
money no matter how much they try...

WOW Reading between the lines you have not had a good time of late! just need to focus and a bit of hard work for at least 6 months and you should see some funds in the account

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512jay 6 years ago

Thanks for the long honest reply, I can feel that Facebook has caused you much pain. I hope you figure it out. I think I have had a similar experience with a different method, I thought that I could make money trading forex, but now I think that the people making the most money in forex are the people selling the systems. I guess it is still possible to make money trading, but maybe it is beyond me. It took me a while to realize that even if others could make money trading forex, maybe I could not make money in forex. I eventually learned how to build my own trading robots, unfortunately, they are still unprofitable, but one day, when they are I will have a product for a WSO.
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  I wasted 2 years of my life trading forex at a time when banks were manipulating rates.
  Volatility is the enemy of the small trader.
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JohnMcCabe

6 years ago

Some of you are taking the OP too seriously. I think the whole "ready to lose some more money" thing was a tongue-in-cheek try for humor. At least, that's how I took it.

512jay, you really haven't missed much in that department. The cover bands change, but the song stays the same.

> Someone figures out a way to make money (dropshipping, tee shirts, whatever).

> Turns the method into an expensive course and does a webinar.

> Audience either buys the course or comes here trying to get the same info for free.

> They make a half-assed attempt to exactly duplicate the original, then complain that the market is "saturated".

> Someone figures out a way to make money (dropshipping, tee shirts, whatever)....

And the wheels on the bus go round and round...

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512jay 6 years ago

Awesome summation!
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Michael Meaney

6 years ago

Its better than it was 5 years ago.

Technology is better now, and greater levels of data-mining.

Advertising is more expensive now though.

Hope you find something.

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512jay 6 years ago

Thanks for the comment, how is the technology better? Is there more automation? Better sales funnels? Do people accept BitCoin on most offers now? Maybe that could be my trick, take a regular offer and offer it for BitCoin.
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Kay King

6 years ago

it does not look like I missed all that much.

Let's see - forum has a new owner, different mods and management....

Not that you haven't missed anything - just that no one is going to write the cliff notes for the past five years for you...

One thing never changes - you sell something people need or want...you make money.

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512jay 6 years ago

Dang, I was trying to get the cliff notes version, more interestingly I was looking for maybe the one thing that stands out in your mind that you were really glad you were around to get.
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Michael Meaney 6 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

no one is going to write the cliff notes for the past five years for you...

...I bet someone is turning that into a WSO as we speak.
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Andrew Stevens

6 years ago

The biggest change in my opinion is the percentage of traffic coming from mobile phones as opposed to desktop has gone through the roof.

This means you have to really optimize for mobile.

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512jay 6 years ago

Thanks for this insight, think mobile first because that is where most of your traffic will probably come from.
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JohnMcCabe

6 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Not that you haven't missed anything - just that no one is going to write the cliff notes for the past five years for you...

Originally Posted by Michael Meaney

...I bet someone is turning that into a WSO as we speak.

Naw, they're over on Fiverr trying to get someone to do it for them...

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ryanbiddulph

6 years ago

The folks who follow their passion, and develop skills, and tie their passion to solving a pressing problem, and build their business patiently, have been doing OK.

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hnrindani

6 years ago

Content is still the king along with a special focus on user experience. For anything you pay for, consider this as basics and jump-start your campaign.

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Regional Warrior

6 years ago

Originally Posted by 512jay

After, 5 years of losing money trying to make money in other ways on the internet, I'm back to lose some money on internet marketing again. What were the best hits from the last few years?

Thanks.

Jay ur back thought you was doing some sort of website system ? so thinking you are back on here it all went south and you are looking for the next big thing!!

Jason

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512jay 6 years ago

Yep, I was doing something called plug-in profits and after a few years it just kinda disintegrated. I'm not sure if it ever earned any money. I'm currently buying and breeding Crypto Kitties.
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Kay King

6 years ago

after a few years it just kinda disintegrated

I wondered what happened to PIPS a few years ago....amazing it went as long as it did. I think longevity was due to Patricia and her involvement with members.

Did PIPs close or move elsewhere?

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512jay 6 years ago

I think they tried to modularize it so when offer failed or stopped paying out they would plug in a new system to take the place of the old. This seemed good in theory, but if you only make like thirteen bucks after a year (my case) the hassle of it all just does not seem worth it. I let my domain expire and did not go back to check into any of the systems that I used to run. Probably got a couple of bucks out there behind some defunct website at the moment. Sure wish I had brought some BitCoin back then.
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6 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I wondered what happened to PIPS a few years ago....amazing it went as long as it did. I think longevity was due to Patricia and her involvement with members.

Did PIPs close or move elsewhere?

Was that a FOREX program ??

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512jay 6 years ago

No, PIP was based on internet marketing, I remember they had some type of exercise multilevel marketing crap and other multi-level marketing bs.
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tpw 6 years ago

I could dig up the FTC case law on it, I suspect.

I know the guy behind it did get sued by the FTC, and I think it was related to PIPS, but I am not certain that is what got him in trouble.
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tpw 6 years ago

Just scanning the FTC case, it looks like he got in trouble for something different from PIPS, but the result was that he was prevented from continuing the PIPS operation.

https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/case...-jeffrey-stone
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- 512jay 6 years ago
  
  Thanks for that info, you are really getting me caught up on what happened in the last five year. You really can't depend on someone else's system longterm.
  
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Rory Singh

6 years ago

If anyone believes they are coming online to lose...why bother?

Just quit now.

Having that type of mindset means no thing will ever work for you.

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512jay 6 years ago

Hmm.. I guess you did not get the joke.
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thephoenixhasrisen

6 years ago

Hi Jay,

I too was out of IM for several years from late 2009 until early 2015 due to family and health issues. When I first returned, I too knowing how fast things progress online felt I had a lot of catching up to do, when in reality some things have changed mostly effective delivery mediums.

However, Internet Marketing is still just marketing:

Find a group of people who have a problem.
Solve their problem, hopefully in a manner that is either easier or quicker than any solution they have available to them at this time.
Present your solution to them.
All the while building an email list! (This is the single most important aspect of creating a real online business!)

So you see it's still the same game, as I stated above the content delivery methods have changed most with the advancement of technology:

Video Marketing is becoming the standard.
Your websites and delivery methods need to be otimized for the mobile users.
Webinars are becoming more and more prevalent.

This is by far not a complete list, but it covers the most pertinent one IMHO.
The tools to utilize the above mentioned content delivery options have become much better , easier to use and more economical.

Good Luck,
Matt

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512jay 6 years ago

Matt,

Thank you for your thoughtful and well thought out post. I appreciate the effort you put into it, the first section nails down the core of what needs to happen. While the second displays the latest trends. These are the cliff notes I was searching for!

Buy why video its such a time waster? I feel like an old fogy.
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Kay King

6 years ago

512jay - are you using the 'feed version' of the forum? Asking due to the multiple post after post to answer as that seems to be a trend for that 'view'.

If you want 'classic' - click on your name in the toolbar above and switch to 'classic view'. I think you miss some of the flow in the 'modern' view but maybe that's just me.

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512jay 6 years ago

Yep, I was using the feed version. I just thought it was one of the new things that I had to get used to. Thanks for the tip.
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itsthealvin

6 years ago

same stuff, different day

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